IBO APOLOGY THREAD

>>23343402 (OP)
I have nothing to apologise for, I never hated IBO.

>>23343402 (OP)
Sorry, you weren't as bad as gquacks

>>23343402 (OP)
i'm sorry you were born a mars rat.

>>23343402 (OP)
I'm sorry your second season was cut short a few episodes from 50.

>>23343402 (OP)
I never hated IBO though. Also the memes with Orga were top-notch.

>>23343402 (OP)
I already apologized after WFM was worse

Still hate both

>>23343402 (OP)
Barbatos Lupus Rex is my wife

>>23343402 (OP)
IBO: 4/10
G-Bitch: 0/10
GCucks: 0/10

>>23343402 (OP)
>Other shows bad so that makes me not bad
Not how it works

>>23343402 (OP)
Is this natty?!

RAISE YOUR FLAG

Why does /m/ hate IBO again? No lasers? Or are they scared of beefcakes?

>>23344074
I figured because of the ending.

>>23344084
I liked the ending, even though Rustal really, REALLY should've had way more characterization.

>>23344074
Because it's boring and most of the cast unlikeable, just like most anime made by Mari Okada

>>23344074
Personally?
Michi is an awful character, half the cast is bland, and Barbatos is the only good looking mech.
The other 'Gundams' range from decent to 'looks like it woulda been in GQucks'
It did make me buy a Lesser Key of Solomon for an Ars Goetia so it has that going for it I guess.

>>23344203
>look up to double check
>His names Mika
Yeah I couldnt even remember this autist retards name correctly, IBO sucked

>>23344229
Ow the edge

>>23344191
Is she unironically the worst anime scriptwriter? She literally hasn't done a single good show or movie

How would the grimdarkfags feel if the sequel anime ends up being more popular?

>>23344319
O Maidens In Your Savage Season is good.

>>23344336
QRD on why the grimderps would/wouldn't like a continuation?

>>23344359
Wixoss too, she really seems to be at her best when writing a mostly female cast with no tomboyish dykes

>>23343402 (OP)
I'm not sorry, you're still garbage

>>23343402 (OP)
Also shit. But at least it didn't leave a pile of shit on UC's doorstep

IBO is proof /m/ can't have fun

>>23344372
As we all know IBO was so suppose to be a much more brutal story, but Nagai kept butting heads with Okada who kept wanting to dial back. To be honest Okada really shouldnt have been chosen to help write THIS gundam, because gritty war drama was abit out of her league. But to answer>>23344336 as long as Okada or someone like her isn't there to but heads with the tone of the setting, it'll check out fine with them.

>>23344191
Would

>>23344336
That’s not a sequel though.

>>23344431
Is this a children's card game anime?

>>23343402 (OP)
Was enjoying it until Naze and his weird mormon sex ship showed up

>>23344372
Urdr Hunt is an adventure story about an orphan "noble" inheriting a destitute colony and setting off on a grand treasure hunt across the solar system to fund his colony. He encounters a colorful cast, delves into dangerous ruins to fight mobile armor monstrosities, and puts his finger into Gjallarhorn whenever he can (blames them for impoverishing his family and colony).

He's purposefully the anti-Mika in many ways, seeking to resolve conflicts through dialogue, not treating every fight as a bare knuckle death scrap, and being far more emotional and hopeful, and the story and tone reflects this. It's very much the anti-IBO. Sure, dark shit is there (MC's best bud is Tekkadan adjacent), but it's a much less edgy story overall.

>>23344074
IBO has the same problem Gquuuuux has with it's characters and plot to much lesser extent. It suffers from shit like

>Mika being completely unchallenged for like the whole show, both in fights and in ideology
>Ein, the one person who is all accounts is foil and rival, there is quite literally no one else, is shafted out of plot relevance time and time again until's made into a glorified upgrade system for a gundam.
>Orga, for how scummy he looks and how much they try to protray his relationship with Mika, or his leadership in general, as juvenile, naive, and misguided almost NEVER gets him positions where you'd think someone in tekkadan calls him out on his bullshit like and that following his every word is getting them deeper into trouble. (There was Hush, probably, but he's getting his own bullet point.)
Mcgillis' character devovling into literal retardation in real time as the show goes on, because he's the literal reason his plan fails, and i don't mean this as just "oh he neglected this and overlooked that", no i mean he actively fucks himself over, on first hand bases.
>and finally, everything about Hush. Start a new season, introduce a new MC, give him and entire backstory and reasoning for wanting to be an MS Pilot and why he joined Tekkadan, and then you demote him to being Mika's wheel chair. There's a part of that feels like Hush was made to take over and bench Mika so that Nagai could gain back control over the writing( seeing as the end of season 1 was Mika being fully paralyzed) but this didnt fly because Okada and her supports were too attached to Mika.

I really wish there was a detail list about whos ideas were whos.

>>23344074
Shit plot, for the most part shit characters, everyone remotely likable dies (except Gaelio and Julietta, I guess) and gets pissed on their grave.
It could and should've been way shorter. At least it was better than the next AU Gundam.
4/10 Hathaway's Flash did it way better.

>>23344863
>Mcgillis' character devovling into literal retardation in real time as the show goes on, because he's the literal reason his plan fails, and i don't mean this as just "oh he neglected this and overlooked that", no i mean he actively fucks himself over, on first hand bases.
That's actually one of the funniest and tragic parts. McGillis is handed a royal flush at the start of the anime (two of the most powerful seven stars are willing to die for him), but decides to throw it all away on muh Bael. If he'd just kept cool, he'd have gotten his ultimate goal, but he's too traumatized to be open with Gaeleo and Carta, so resolves to increasingly hairbrained schemes to have them offed.

>>23344336
Sorry, but had to.

>>23344897
Nah the funniest and most ironic part is Rustal, basically agreeing with him all this time that Gjallahorn is a corrupt mistake and it needs to be reformed so all he had to do was just talk with Rustal, then with him, Carta, Gaelio, and Iok, they phase out the old timers, and then they reform Gjallarhorn just like that, no gundam needed.

>>23344932
People don’t want to accept that Rustal wasn’t a villian

>>23344074
It's very boring. Never felt like it found it's legs.

>>23344934
>Man abolishes autocratic rule by linage establishes literal honest to god democracy with standard 4 year terms
>"Nah he's corrupt dictator!"

It was then i realized people are too stupid to get gundam some times.

>>23344074
I actually like it a lot.

>muh bael

>>23344074
It was boring as fuck, the characters sucked and the fights were QUALITY.

>>23344932
He didn't know that Rustal would side with him. He did know that Carta and Gaelio would.

>>23343402 (OP)
G-Quacks Gunduck was an easy 10/10 and second best Gundam series since 00 after the first Build Divers. IBO was objectively the worst entry in the entire franchise with everything that was nor background art being incredibly poor. Anno may have tarnished Godzilla and Ultraman, but Kamen Rider had Build already and elevating Gundam was an easy task he succeeded at.

>>23344987
>G-Quacks Gunduck was an easy 10/10 and second best Gundam series

>>23344985
Hence all he had to is just talk, remember one of the first encounters' Rustal had with McGillis was talking with him to find out if Fareed was being a pedo or not. Even Rustal tried to reach out to him.

I have only watched gquuuuuux and I liked it. Would /m/ recommend gwitch or IBO next? I also got some recommendations for MSG 1979

>>23344787
No, it's raunchy Shonen with incest card game anime

>>23344336
The strongest thing about IBO is the interesting setting, and as Urdr Hunt is much more about exploring that setting and its past in a non-war context, it has much better potential. IBO's setting always worked better as an adventure or game setting than a straight-up war setting, in my opinion.

>>23344985
He didn’t know that actually. Some of the first few interactions we see of McGillis and Gaelio is Macky probing how deep into the Gjallarhorn kool aid he still is and getting disappointing answers

>>23344336
>>23345018
Who is this supposed to be?

>>23344900
I don't get it. Why does she have Carta makeup?

>>23343402 (OP)
It was never bad. It was a solid 7, and not on a meme scale, on a normal distribution.

>>23345030
Carta's sister.

>>23345030
You had ages to watch Urdr before Bandai nuked logs channel. Not my fault you chose to remain ignorant

>>23345030
Cature Issue, last heir of the Issue bloodline.

>>23345024
Except season 1 is all about McGillis manipulating Gaelio into doing everything McGillis wanted, even going as far as to break the taboos. He gets Gaelio to revive the research on AV at Gjallarhorn and even sign off on Ein getting the surgery, despite both of them being vehemently against it. McGillis proved to both himself and Gaelio that Gaelio was his most loyal servant who would break the most sacred edicts of Gjallarhorn all to serve McGillis, then McGillis tossed it all away because he thought he should have all the power alone. He killed Carta for the same reason, to get jurisdiction over her family's fleet even though he was aware she was obsessed with him.

>>23345047
The probing is right at the start, zoomie

>>23343402 (OP)
I always liked it. It tried some interesting new things and set up a pretty fun world to imagine. Unfortunately it didn't do anything with that world but oh well, much better than doing shot for shot remakes of 0079 and acting like its so smart for doing so.

>>23344932
I don't think that McGillis wanted to reform Gjallarhorn into not-EF though.

>>23344963
>honest to god
>democracy
Kek.

IBO gundam frames sexo

>>23343402 (OP)
IBO is still way worse than GQuuuuux, let's not kid ourselves.

>>23345017
Should I watch it? Will I like it? I've heard it's feminist just like IBO is, so I expect 4chan wouldn't like it.

>>23345061
Yeah, exactly tard. He proves to himself that Gaelio is totally on his side no matter what, over the course of the show and still decides to kill his friend. He DID know that, actually.

>>23345193
NTA I don’t think you watched the show

IBO S1 was decent enough that you could like it with some effort then all your generous goodwill gets shat on in S2
Gquacks cemented itself as directionless slop by episode 5

So, is Urdr Hunt the next Gundam production now that this quick fever dream is over?

I like Heroic Age

>GReco is worst Gundam in 25 years
>IBO comes out
>APOLOGIZE TO GRECO
>Witch comes out
>APOLOGIZE TO IBO
>GCucks comes out
>APOLOGIZE TO WITCH
I'm sensing a pattern

>>23345283
NTA, I don't think you or >>23345061 actually watched the show. The entire point of Ein getting the surgery was to show that traditions could be broken and that the younger generation of Gjallarhorn could think differently after 300 years. S1 ends with McGillis telling Gaelio that he doesn't care about loyalty, friendship, and trust because he's lived in anger. He knows he has people he can trust, he just hates them. And he knows he's able to manipulate Gaelio and Carta precisely because of how much they trust and follow him. He just doesn't care about them at all. Pic very related. It's just McGillis reflecting on how easy it is to manipulate them into becoming stepping stones for him to rise to power.

>>23345165
It's one of those "so bad it's good situation", the plot gets so fucking ridiculous at times that it cycles back into being hilarious. At least I didn't find it to be a snorefest like IBO or Kiznaiver which was also done by her.

>>23345338
Newfag here, people didn't like Reconguista? I thought it was great even though it really didn't feel like a Gundam show

>>23343402 (OP)
>I loved IBO from the jump. /m/ hates things until they love them. it's a cycle that never changes.

Don't say anything about my wife

>>23345412
Who are you quoting?

>>23345338
Greco was never the worst Gundam, especially since it was airing at the same time as fucking Build Fighters Try which is a far worse show. I will never apologize to Witch for being irredeemable trash that I can't believe I wasted my time watching. It truly is impressive how bad that show was.

>>23343402 (OP)
Rustal, Julieta and Gaelio should have been the protagonists of s2. If you didn't like the ending you can read my fanfic which is a sequel to the anime post time skip
>>23344985
>>23344963
The democratization ain't real, Julieta is just a puppet for his interests.
I am currently rewriting each chapter so it is less jarring to read
Here is my draft of gundam Solomon

>>23345502
Here is the link and a sketch of gundam solomon
https://archiveofourown.org/works/53931742/chapters/136512193

>>23344074
poor writing, bad animation.

That episode 8 arc when Akihiro's brother is introduced and we get the most predictable generic storyline was when it was clear the writing was going to be serviceable at best.

>>23345511
"Servicable" is still better than 00's writing.

>>23345391
Does it have a watchable dub like IBO?

>>23345388
You stupid fuck we’re not taking about any of that later shit. Right at the start, as they’re doing their oversight of Coral. You dense motherfuker

>>23343402 (OP)
Never hated you, in fact, it was my second favorite AU next to G-Gundam.

>>23345609
This discussion is about Rustal, who's not even a character in season 1 >>23344985

>>23344983
>the fights were QUALITY.
To be expected when the 2D animators have to deal with this type of lineart and design.

>>23343402 (OP)
I enjoyed IBO overall especially S1. I understand where people thought S2 was a little grating but I legit think people who hate on it a ton are mentally ill and obsessed with calling everything a flop. There are hateable aspects to the show but they never get actually hated on. I say this as someone who enjoys making fun of flops/shitty series. It, aside from SEED for reasons, is probably the best AU to do expansion series out of because the setting is pretty cool

>>23344963
Most people in general are legit retarded and think most Gundam series are super complicated when they arent. Most posters on /m/ are extra retarded. I think it's because we have a ton of people with actual legitimate crippling autism who don't understand human interactions, animated or not, very well and come up with wild interpretations as such. Every time I read some stupid bullshit on here I have to remind myself that I'm talking to a fat hairy autistic man on the other end of the internet and that I should go easy on them because this is all they have, and they aren't even doing it very well

>>23345591
I wish I could make myself sit down and rewatch 00 again to check it's writing on a more technical level but every time I do I blow out around episode 4 due to cringe overdose and drop the show again. Honestly who knows how well written the show is(can't be that good) because it's so interlaced with cringey shit that only makes sense to 18 year old boys going through puberty. The entire premise is so childish it's unreal, but people run flak for it because it's edgy childishness. It's amazing that 00 is basically the first 10 episodes of Wing but an entire series and the first 10 episodes of Wing still did it better and made me want to kill myself much less

>>23345591
00 is vastly superior to IBO. Setsuna and Tiera's storylines alone are more interesting than anything going on in that show.

>>23345043
I don't know the context of any of this but this is a genuinely beautiful scene

>>23345644
IBO is probably the reason we have CG Gundam now.

They let Naohiro go overboard with the designs which probably burned or scarred away animators.

Gyoubu was much better at designing for anime.

>>23345012
Definitely IBO between the two. Gbitch is mega turbo shit. IBO is just overhated and has plenty of fans who don't frequent this place

>>23345689
g witch is better especially since mari okada did season 2 of ibo and ruined any hype or intrigue it had because when she's writing you can guarantee the same tired ass fucking garbage every single fucking time, go fuck yourself. IBO also looks like fucking shit. It has no budget and the art style was dogshit. The only good thing from that art style was re:rise.

Orga, Mikazuki, Kamille, and Heero's VAs.

>>23345012
IBO is very fun imo
But I do think you should watch 0079 first
Every Gundam series references it in some way
If you want to speedrun it there are the 3 compilation movies.
From there you could pick almost anything and "get it", except for the stuff that directly builds on previous stories, like Zeta being a direct sequel to 0079

>>23345638
The discussion was also about knowing if Gaelio would side with him. NTA but Im in that chain. You’re both sperging over nothing

>>23345699
Kamille...your hair...

>>23345716
Could be worse.

>>23345596
I don't know, I looked it up and it sounds annoying but somehow fitting too?
https://youtu.be/d7nAoQ5jWlI

>>23345677
Cature was taken by the Issue family to be the new head after the old one died (really, the Issue advisor and vassals would have just locked her up and used her as a figurehead). She didn't want this, so Wiserio challenges the Issue Captain to a duel. It gets interrupted by a Mobile Armor. I don't know if Captain dude is dead or not, but while this is going on, the Issue pilots bail. The ship gets destroyed by the mobile armor, but the pilots managed to make sure that Cature survived, even if they didn't.

Webm is an earlier interaction between the Captain and Wiserio, where Wiserio trolls him by saying that Cature's hand (in marriage) is his by custom.

>>23345748
That’s grossly wrong on the actual events while being mostly right about the vibes of them. Good work

>>23345748
That's wrong, though the ship does get destroyed. Are you relying on MT, but chance? Hard to get a translation since Bandai nuked the archive.

>>23344983
>>23345644
The worst 2D fight in IBO is better than the best fight in Gqux. I say unironically. The fight is Gqux is completely incoherent.

>>23345036
>>23345043
Proofs?

>>23345502
>>23345509
>Gundam Solomon

That's GM Solomon to you, welp

>>23345748
Bro none of that is right wtf

>>23345778
He's probably a machine translating ESL retard, as is typical for this place.

>>23344336
What the FUCK is that character design

>>23345805
Trying to emulate YGO character design philosophy.

>>23345767
here

>>23345698
>g bitch
>better
>spergy response
You have communicated a lot to me without explicitly stating these things to me. Good to know that Gbitch fans are this unhinged, seek help. It gets better

>>23345338
>APOLOGIZE TO WITCH
Said no one ever, lol. Both gbitch and gcucks are shit. Greco is also shit. IBO is not great but also not as shit as the previously mentioned. Banrise needs to take a good, hard look at 79, Zeta, Wing and Seed and really think about why those are the most popular series before producing their next anime, because gbitch and gcucks ain't it.

>>23345440
flat as a board

>>23344359
Araburu is her best work because she had a team writing with her to reign in her shit.

>>23344431
Wixoss went to shit after the incest arc ended.

>>23343402 (OP)
I'm so fucking sorry.

>>23344963
This is how you know you're dealing with someone with no media literacy.

>>23345876
>Seed
Time for another Kira.

>>23343402 (OP)
All ibo needed was a 25 ep calamity war season and i'm good

is the urd hunt movie going to be an actual movie or is it a glorified compilation movies of the game

>>23345937
If it works, it works. Mecha anime at its core is nothing but male fantasy fulfillment, after all. Banrise seems to have forgotten that.

>>23346046
Get another Lacus for good measure.

i knwo nothing about urd hunt but why does mc and his mech looks like mika and barbatos. Could've gone for a completely different design

>>23346065
this chart is a sham. I know people like cagali more than lacus

>>23345937
Was Orphen that popular?

>>23346071
I knew K-On! was the beginning of the end.

>>23343402 (OP)
Rewatching it now. Fuck has it really been 10 years? I remember watching this with my wife when she was still my girlfriend in her parents house.

It's the series that got her into Gundam. 0 hate from me.

>>23344229

>>23344963
Rustal has a shit Mobile suit.

>>23346140
Needs a better color scheme just like almost all ibo gundams.

>>23343402 (OP)
More shit shows don't somehow make IBO less shit

>>23344319
>this newfag hated M3
I feel sorry for you.

>>23345047
>even though he was aware she was obsessed with him
He is only attracted to lolis. A marriage of convenience that both parties can benefit from is an anathema to him.

>>23345591
00 really aged poorly, the worldbuilding is really barebones and everything feels contrived.

>>23344084
The ending was literally the best part about IBO, it makes perfect sense with the setting and premise.

>>23346177
Anything compared to UC's worldbuilding is going to seem barebones, but the amount of baggage and revisions that UC has as well as having too many different cooks with different visions means that it's gotten to a point where it's unwieldy and hurting itself

>>23343402 (OP)
It was a solid 7, my opinion hasn't changed. It had better designs than fred and quux, but worse designs than the OYW remixes.

The existence of this thread tells me waiting until GQuuuuuuX was over to watch it was a good call.

How bad was GQuuuuuuX overall?

>>23346287
nonsensical

>>23346304
in a fun way?

>>23343402 (OP)
I apologize Gcucks revealed IBO was,is,and will always continue to be pure trash

>>23346307
fun, my ass. They were throwing shit on the wall to see whatever sticks.

>>23346287
I think it was excellent, but it's another Gainax ending that's pressed for time and relies on you figuring things out yourself. Your mileage may vary if you like that or not.

>>23346140
you don't need a mobile suit when you have rods that move fast

>>23346321
I thought it would get another season as when I would peak in to see what is happening it never sounded like anything was moving fast.

>>23346325
Things pick up from second half onwards, and there's a lot of great moments but it's all quite compressed. Probably the most egregious part is the fact Shuji ends up being so pivotal in the final episode, with no particular build up or hints at what's going on with him before, just the fact he's mysterious.

There were also some people sperging that the main character is impulsive, free spirited, and gets in some legal trouble because of it, but I personally quite liked that. Both main characters I really liked by the end, were 100% people I'd make friends with if they were real.

>>23346359
I wish there was more Machu going ham over the setting. Maybe get her foiling some of the EF/Titans and Jupiter plots as well as Zeon incidentally.

>>23346359
Should have mentioned, the main cause of things being compressed is just the fact the second half has to get into grander politics, and the teen cast ends up getting the short end of the stick in time focused on them.

>>23346370
sounds dumb

It should have focused on Gaelio vs Macky from the beginning, Bael autism and all.

>>23346067
Because you’re actually blind. The only thing they have in common is “youth with mouth, eyes, nose, hair and fingers.” I don’t remember Barbatos being a pleasing lilac shade.

>>23344870
>Julietta
>likeable

>>23346662
Worst I can say about her is that she's autistic.

>>23346662
Even iok was more likeable than her and I say this unironically.

Nothing to apologize for, IBO is a flawed gem with a lot of merit- there were some things I disliked like Masahiro being introduced and killed in the same episode or julietta knocking shino’s projectile from hitting rustal, those things were some of the flaws I found with the series but I liked everything else from the characters to especially the MS designs. I have a hunch that come October we are going to have the Urdr hunt series as a 12 episode OVA or something, to celebrate the 10 year anniversary of IBO.

>>23345882
>she had a team writing with her to reign in her shit.
I read the manga, and it's just note-for-note adaptation. Fuck are you talking about.

IBO is good

>>23347109
>10 years
It's been that long?? Geez man wtf
>12 episode OVA
Man I hope. Need more IBO in my life

>>23346287
IMO It's the newest low for the franchise. At least stuff like IBO, G-Witch and AGE have good MS designs. Gquacks failed at this bare minimum and just gaves us a bunch of ugly and derivative suits (Gyan is the only saving grace), most of which had to be recolored to expand the kit catalog.


As for the plot itself? The fact that it re-used the "Kill the past" plot of Star Wars during the last episode, while the rest of the show was just a collection of memberberries should be enough to explain how garbage this was.

>>23345165
There is nothing "feminist" about Wixoss. It's a little girl suffering porn show like Madoka or Elfen Lied -- as such, the story cedes to shock value and gets really stupid.

I'm not apologizing for this overrated pile of shit, GQuuuuuuX doesn't retroactively make it a good show. I think it has a more interesting setting but that doesn't mean anything when the show does fuck all with it.

>>23344934
I haven't been in much IBO discussion but I thought it was obvious he isn't.

'uv G
'uv Wing
'uv Seed
'uv IBO
'ate Turn A
'ate Greco
'ate Gbitch
'ate Gcucks
'ate trannies
'ate niggers (not racist just don't like 'em)
simple as

>>23347448
Half the designs feel so alien, to the point they severely clashed with the whole UC connection it tried desperately to leech off of. I don't mind them too when viewed through a vacuum, but something just feels off when trying to compare them to Gundam itself, and not even just UC. It's the entire franchise it feels disconnected from when it comes to designs.
Not even some of the weirder late UC or even Gaia Gear stuff feels as disjointed as Quacks got.

>>23344963
Only brainlets that expected bog standard mc wank hated IBO, it was the most realistic gundam story, teens as tragic protagonists fated to get crushed by cold and hard bureaucracy.

>>23347545
You have no idea how hard other communities sperg out when you imply that

>>23347545
>>23347916
He's the hero the Post Disaster timeline deserves, for better or worse. People think antagonist=bad guy I guess.

>>23347934
Oh man I saw a real goof ass thread a few months ago about this exact thing
https://www.reddit.com/r/Gundam/s/KsKbHqydMc

>>23347934
Perhaps in the same way that Scirocco was the hero UC deserved.

>>23348086
Stop being retarded on purpose

>>23348183
It makes more sense than you think.

with hathaway 2 coming out this winter, does that mean urdr hunt isn't coming out this year?

>>23349889
>this winter
Try again zoombue

>>23350165
???
>(The video's description says in Japanese that the film will open "this winter," while the video's English text says it will open "next winter.")
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2025-06-26/2nd-gundam-hathaway-film-teaser-announces-staff-title-winter-debut/.226047

>>23350165
dawg its not my fault you cant read

>>23350178
I'm confused as to why the statement was necessary in the first place, as "this winter" and "next winter" both mean the same period from December 2025 to February 2026.

>>23344074
I like a lot of what it's trying to do, but it kept falling back on fairly weak-but-safe writing whenever it came time to actually do something with them
>Tekkadan are all incapable of making choices for themselves because all they've ever known is taking orders and being beaten
>Now they have freedom, they have no idea what to actually do with it and default to just following Orga's orders
>Orga doesn't know either because he's just one of them, so just ends up getting them all killed chasing bigger and bigger contracts in the hopes that this one will finally sort everything out for them
Honestly a very interesting premise for a story. Cracks in it end up being
>The bulk of the cast are very flat, and the series has an annoying habit of eschewing proper characterisation in the long-run in favour of just dumping a load of biographical info about them in the first half of an episode to try and quickly endear them to the audience, and then killing them at the end of the same ep so it now can't do anything interesting with all the stuff it's told you
>Orga 'getting them all killed' ultimately comes down to a storyline which hinges on every person in a position of power in Gjallarhorn other than Rustal being a massive fucking retard and shooting themselves in the feet
>Kudelia's outside perspective on Tekkadan was actually interesting, so naturally the series sidelines her for S2. Other characters who should have been bringing different perspectives to them, like Merribit, end up never really contributing anything
>Pacing's kind of fucked, it often feels like it's dragging its heels to meet the episode count

>>23346071
Cagalli is cool but I like Lacus more.

>>23347961
>reddit is retarded
Oh wow shocker wow wow. I am surprised how many people just kneejerk barked back against it

>>23347934
>>23347961
>lies, cheats and murders
>not a bad guy
You’re all children

>>23345502
>The democratization ain't real, Julieta is just a puppet for his interests.
People fought me so goddamn hard when I said that IBO was an allegory for the plight of child soldiers in the Global South (specifically West/Central Africa), and it literally ends with a warlord putting them down like dogs and instituting a surface-level democracy where he'll stay in effective power for decades. Where. Have. I. Seen. That. Before?

>>23352403
>it’s not real because….it just isn’t okay!

>>23352403
>People fought me so goddamn hard when I said that IBO was an allegory for the plight of child soldiers in the Global South
What else would it be? It wasn't exactly subtle about being the Child Soldiers™ Gundam

>>23352431
I think it’s the headcanon that their future is going to run 1:1 with real world past events because he’s stupid and autistic

>>23347375
I'll defend the first season, but season 2 is shit.

>>23352344
This, it is just sophistry.
"He's not a bad guy/villian" is a silly argument to make, when people's actual problem is that he's a scumbag, who only does things that suit him.

>>23346380
I liked the two conflicts of Rustal vs Tekkadan and Gaelio vs Macky. I think IBO had a lot of strong ideas, I liked doomed youth reaching towards impossible dream, crushing weight of indifferent adult world, yes Bael autism.... just the execution was sloppy
>>23352403
Rustal isn't a warlord though, he's a bureaucrat. IBO is triumph of the middle manager of the great man of history

>>23352738
>scumbag
>only one who actually plays by the rules the government sets out to uphold and the only one opposing an actual looney tune whack job trying to destabilize it via a militarized coup
>the world is an objectively better place after he wins

>>23352403
>and it literally ends with a warlord putting them down like dogs and instituting a surface-level democracy where he'll stay in effective power for decades
He isn't the warlord, tard. The warlords are the martians, like McMurdo and Teiwaz. People were fighting you because you didn't even understand something that was presented to you on a fucking silver platter. You having the media comprehension of a 2-year old.

>>23352403
Oh my god you’re dumb. Nvm I want an IBO sequel now. I don’t care what kind of edgy masturbatory revenge trip with Ride and Akatsuki it is as long as we start by talking about how Rustal served his terms and fucked off to retirement

>>23343916
B-but Star Wars Prequels

>>23344074
Mikazuki somehow gets a threesome. I can buy Kira or Setsuna but Mika? Should have let Orga instead.

>>23346662
I am biased towards her VA

>>23352751
>only one who actually plays by the rules the government sets out to uphold and the only one opposing an actual looney tune whack job trying to destabilize it via a militarized coup
You mean coup he pretty much knew about and let it happen to seize the power? Yeah, no shit.
>the world is an objectively better place after he wins
Negligibly better, and he's been pretty lucky that no bigger chaos started by the epilogue. You can expect Gjallarhorn to lose even more influence in space than it already did outside of the Earth Sphere.

>>23352751
He knew about McGillis' sexual abuse and did nothing about it

>>23352864
NTA, realistically what do you expect to happen? Do you think this is a heinous crime that ONLY Iznario participates in?

>>23352866
Who else raped kids in IBO?

>Urdr Hunt kits released recently
>still no anime
They running late, or something?

>>23343402 (OP)
Nah
I already apologized to AGE after G-Witch though.

>>23344934
>>23344963
>>23347545

Rustal did do very villainous things. He was all about Gjallarhorn's absolute power and did stuff like fake terrorist bombings to start wars to discredit his political opponents. In season 1 he stirs up a revolution in the colonies and then provides them with defective guns so when it starts they can slaughter them all to cull colony population and then pay the surviving workers less as punishment. He only reforms things in the end because he has to and he can live with it. He's not a hero unless you whole heartedly believe that one powerful organziation has to have absolute control over the entire Earth sphere no matter how many people need to get killed for it.

>>23353041
Did it ever occur to that the reason he has resort to doing tactics like that is because he's basically the only one addressing the issue of the mafias getting way too much power to able destablize the balance of peace in the solar system. Like literally Rustal is the only one. The main point why he was doing that is that Gjallarhorn is too outdated, out of touch, ane has lost the plot on what they are suppose to be doing. Fuckers have the embers of the first major war happening in like 300years and you have two of the major heads too old to modernize and indecisive to know what to do to act, insisting on doing things the old way, one head of house being a pedophile, who would then been succeed by the kid he diddled, who's outright stirring the pot for more chaos. One old dude who's completely checked out because his kids taking over. And then two new youngsters , Carta and Iok who were just told to follow the manual and everything will work out. This is shown to you how fucking old Gjallarhorn's ways are and how little they've actually seen action when Tekkadan just bodies Carta's army, because she was under the assumption they would be following some kind standard rules of engagement and no told her otherwise, because why would they, literally no has been in a major war like 30 decades. This is the shit Rustal has to deal with as the Mafia's just keep pushing and pushing their luck to take over, and he's gotta do everything is power to convey to them "No, stop undermining our peacekeeping power and rising the up. You fuckers are gonna start another calmity war." It always weird how people got no issue talking about how evil Gjallarhorn, but then people just forget Tekkadan's working for the fucking Mafia and the Mafia ia quite literally trying to organize the families into being a military strong enough to take on Gjallarhorn, just so they be free to do crime out right.

>>23353061
>No, stop undermining our peacekeeping power and rising the up. You fuckers are gonna start another calmity war.
The one who almost started another calamity war was Iok when he woke up the mobile armor.
And Rustal also works with the mafia. He never crushed them.

>>23353112
No left uncheck the mafia would have unleash more mobile armors like Hashimal, it would have been even worse because, they would've reverse engineered it to be manned, and then things would have gotten far worse from their, one accidental awakening isnt gonna start another calamity war. The fucking mafias constantly digging for more tech they can use against Gjallarhorn is what's gonna start another Calamity war.
>And Rustal also works with the mafia. He never crushed them.
He crushed everyones ambition to try anymore when he destroyed Tekkadan, the entire point was to make example of Orga and his group, them being the most powerful with like 2 gundams and shit ton of infamy and feats under their belt, smack them down brutally, and tell everyone no more games.

>>23353128
And yet Teiwaz, the actual mafia, is alive and kicking and even supported Kudelia in the epilogue.

>>23353140
You are missing the point, they are alive, but they are no longer trying to outright challenge Gjallarhorn's new authority again like last tike, because they know, they try that shit again, the Dainself's are dropping.

>>23353150
They never challenged Gjallarhorn though? Tekkadan cut ties with them and Rustal himself reached an agreement after Iok fucked up. I don't know what version you watched.

there's always a chocolate man...

well at least we know what the least acceleration is

>>23352812
Mika's got that effortless confidence that comes from just being yourself, women respond well to that kind of thing

>>23353150
What? Teiwaz de facto controls Mars after the reform. The ending is Rustal washing his hands of Mars and using the excuse that Gjallarhorn lost its authority as a policing force to cut off mars, which was already basically unpoliced except for one small branch that had next to no support from the main branch on Earth. Tekkadan's "rebellion" already lit a fire under martians' asses, and Rustal may have crushed them with a show of force, Gjallarhorn was already losing its power and reputation because of Tekkadan's activities and McGillis's rebellion. Plus Makanai was also pushing for the earth economic blocs to free the martians they were controlling. At the end Rustal no longer has forces on mars and he's not going to because Gjallarhorn already lost its absolutel authority a long time ago. Teiwaz is basically the government of mars now, alongside some other martian businesses.

>>23353061
>>23353128
>>23353150
You're mostly right except about teiwaz. Rustal did what he did because Gjallarhorn had already lost a lot of its power. But the ending isn't him showing Gjallarhorn's power to keep people in check, it's him showing Gjallarhorn's power to salvage what's left of Gjallarhorn's reputation after it had a massive rebellion and civil war that got aired out to the world. That's why instead of punishing all the rebels, he absorbs them after the fleet battle too. He's minimizing the damage to Gjallarhorn to save it from falling apart completely.

Rustal is a realist. He doesn't try to fight the tide of change, he just tries to direct it so it's advantageous to him and Gjallarhorn. Crushing McGillis was like rejecting a form of what he could have been, a power hungry tyrant who wants to control the world. Because Rustal honestly could have done it. his fleet is literally the size of like every other Gjallarhorn fleet combined. He outnumbered McGillis's combined fleet by several times and McGillis's fleet was the second largest fleet in Gjallarhorn. They even said the Issue family had one of the strongest fleets but it's a distant second to Arianrhod.

Gjallarhorn's new authority is diminished at the end. THat's a fact. We know the economic blocs were already starting to build up their own armies at the start of season 2 and after Gjallarhorn reformed they're probably going to continue doing that. So Gjallarhorn changing to a democratic organization is 1) a way to appease the young officers, many of whom joined McGillis and 2) show good will to the economic blocs of earth who had lost faith in Gjallarhorn's role and 3) push all the martian revolution and Human Debris bullshit off to Teiwaz and Nobliss and others while Gjallarhorn gets good PR for saying they support the end of Human Debris. Because Human Debris is mainly a problem in the outer sphere to begin with.

>>23352812
>>23353528
>just be yourself bro
>a murder midget serial killer
Yea makes sense. Women love mass murderers

Mika being a complete psycho freak like an actual child soldier was kino

>>23352874
There were so many blonde boys at the place McGilis was picked up from - I'm sure it's a thriving business.

>>23353626
Too be we won't get an MC like him ever again, because parents complained.

>>23353618
is it really a democratic organization when his biggest bootlicker is set up to be the next leader?

>>23353746
Under what assumption does this "Julietta is gonna be elected next" come from?

>>23353746
>is it really a democratic organization when vote is manipulated either directly or by pushing electorate to make a predetermined choice
Yes.

>>23353764
The epilogue? I don't know what they were thinking

>>23353746
Their conversation before the final battle is him telling her she shouldn't respect him because he's like every other scumbag and for her to follow her own path going forward. And she's clearly changed from her experience and thinks highly of Tekkadan. Even Rustal praises Kudelia in the epilogue. He groomed her to be his successor, not his puppet

>>23353764
He obviously sent her down there to "slay the dragon" so should she would gain popularity. But that's all the more reason to believe it will be a fair election. There would be no point in risking sending her to die if you could just fix an election

>>23353774
>There would be no point in risking sending her to die if you could just fix an election
The trick is to make it a believable result.

>>23353774
She's still all about muh Rustal-sama in the epilogue. She still went along with everything and even took credit for it knowing it was wrong. She's still his bootlicker.
Sometimes I wonder if the writers intended to make her a hate sink like Iok, but seeing how she pretty much won Gaelio I doubt so. At least Japan still hates her.

So IBO is going to apologize to me? About damn time.

>>23353826
Holy media illiteracy

>>23353852
Is that a new buzzword

IBO is the series I might've unironically be okay with Unicorn-like continuation of, SOREDEMO included.

>>23347456
As an an incel she is a feminist but she's /ourfeminist/, if there is a heaven for me it's filled with characters from PA Works and other Okada animes

>>23353128
War keeps everything honest. One organization having total control just leads to the shit they already had going on, which is only good if you are part of said organization.

>>23344963
Yeah but you know he looks like a bad guy, that means he must be a villain!

>>23345937
>>23346065
Judging by these charts 2009 was the point of no return for the quality of anime.

>>23355014
For many things really.

>>23355019
I mean it's slowly been declining since the start of the chart, can't really conceive of better line-ups than the 84-85 ones on both fronts. But there's good anime in all of them until '09 where it's a complete crapshoot onwards

>>23343402 (OP)
IBO has always been a middle of the road gundam series. GQuax was one of the worst pieces of media I've ever had the misfortune of watching. The Eva Rebuild writers should never be let near a script ever again. Japan needs to bring back seppuku just for them.

RAISE YOUR FLAAAAG

>>23343402 (OP)
I'm not apologizing for shit because the three wrongs we've gotten so far still haven't managed to make a right

>>23344074
No idea what the large consensus is but I only dislike season 2 because it feels like everyone has a lobotomy and they start making the dumbest possible decisions they could make despite being for the most part competent in season 1. Overall I didn't mind IBO though.

>>23356862
They more or less did, the fat kid was the only one with a brain and he got got.

>>23343402 (OP)
I still dont understand how he was conned into sex.

>>23356722
I really like Freesia, but now it's too inextricably linked to the shitposts in my mind
https://youtu.be/OI6cUZwbQpc

>>23343402 (OP)
It is and always was a 6/10, standard Sunrise seasonal mecha slop.

Gquacks was better.

>>23343402 (OP)
I still think of it as wasted potential after S1 and also still think it would've worked better if it was all about Mars trying to win independence while Tekkadan is one of the PMCs that eventually becomes one of the more significant factors in Mars gaining said independence.

Lafter was easily the hottest girl in IBO.

>>23343402 (OP)
Nothing to apologize for. I dropped it a few episodes into season two because I was just bored. The writing in the first part was fine, the plot was a bit rushed at the end, and I felt that the rest was just going to get repetitive and I didn't like it that much anyways.

I like that people get triggered when I point out that the Mafia captain guy's harem would be pretty fucked up in real life.

>>23364463
She didn't have much competition honestly

>>23357923
I'm surprised they left comments on for this video.

>>23365901
Same. I think I lost most of my attachment once the fat kid died. He was like 90% of the planning and without him everyone just sits around going "fat boy... we needed your guidance... why did you leave us so early?" yeah nigga I'm saying the same thing. The whole thing just slowly fizzles out from there. It was pretty obvious it was going end with a big nothing.

>>23343402 (OP)
IBO, Victory Gundam or Gundam ZZ.

Which is better?

>>23365901
>I like that people get triggered when I point out that the Mafia captain guy's harem would be pretty fucked up in real life.
Isn't that kinda obvious being a harem and all? Or you mean something beyond that.
BTW, I feel like that was probably Okada's idea to put it in the show.

>>23365983
ZZ>Victory>*power gap*>IBO
Like, ZZ and Victory are good shows in the first place.

>>23365926
No she didn't.

>>23365901
And a lot of the repetition comes from spending too much time on well worn story beats. Like no shit this dude with awful fashion sense is going to betray everyone. The fact they drew it out so long took all the fun out of seeing him die. It also felt like no one really came to fear Tekkadan even those up until a point they messily eliminated everyone who went against them. What's an organize crime story if our heroes can't even get a rep?

>>23364463

Amida

>>23343402 (OP)
I kneel IBO gods, I see now how much worse things could be, please save us from the gcuckies

>>23365983
Joke's on you, I liked both ZZ and IBO. I haven't seen Victory Gundam yet,t tho. Between the two, I'd have to say IBO is better, It's got the cooler gundam (I love the ZZ but Barbatos is just way cooler), better animation, both plots take a bit to get going, but I wasn't as bored by IBO's start as I was ZZ's and I think IBO has better OPs. However, I think ZZ has the better MC, and the world is more interesting (but that's because I like classic UC Gundam more than any AU outside of Mobile Fighter G Gundam).

>>23366566
THISSSSSSSSSSS
holy FUCK they had their dicks on their hands when they designed her, she's sex incarnate

>>23365983
Victory has the better fights, ZZ has the better protagonist/crew, but IBO gave birth to the Bael, which is the only 3000 unit my dumbass knows how to use in MBON. It's a tossup for me.

>>23343402 (OP)
Why would I apologize when I liked it?

>>23343402 (OP)
We already got an IBO apology in the game form, it's called Urdr Hunt.
Now, it doesn't excuse the original, but at least we got something good in Post Disaster. Just waiting for it in the anime format now.

>>23343402 (OP)
Kachitoritai

>>23375893
Why not just watch the episodes we already have translated of it?

>>23376842
Bamco deleted all of them.

I hate Rustal and the monkey woman so much that them being alive ruined the ending for me, and Gaelio is a literal non-character for all of S2.

>>23353061
Oh yes, rustal is the only one dealing with the mafia destabilizing problem, which is why his fleet supported the false flag attack during the dort colony incident.

>>23379262
Show me proof that was Rustal and not Iok. I’ll wait.

>>23343402 (OP)
I enjoyed IBO, but i am a sucker for bitter sweet endings.

>>23375893
>We already got an IBO apology in the game form, it's called Urdr Hunt.
IBOfags are going to hate it, considering its tone and themes are almost completely opposite to IBO.

>>23383105
>themes are almost completely opposite to IBO
But that's why it works well as a counter part to IBO, ying and yang stuff

>>23345338
>Turns out that Stardust memories is the peak Gundam experience
>No newtype bullshit magic
>Tactics and pilot skill are in play
>Twists along each turn
>SOLOMON I HAVE RETURNED.
>Fucking final fight is between souped up mobile armors.

Apologise to PEAKdust Memories right fucking now.

>>23382978
I would kill my best friend for this

>>23383137
Rebellion did it better.

>>23383356
literally just another version of
>PEAKdust Memories

>>23383105
I doubt IBOfags love IBO for its themes. And even people that love the tone wouldn't mind if there weren't as many deaths or if antagonists were more likable.
More importantly, I'm pretty sure that most IBOfags that I saw were talking about how cool mecha design and action that isn't reliant on beams is, as well as the Calamity War setting.
Urdr Hunt takes all the good stuff from IBO and none of the bad or questionable.
Also, I meant it as an apology for IBO being shit. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

>>23353061
>>23345018
>>23344900
I wonder if this girl, as the heir of one of the Seven Stars, will be able to challenge Rustal in the future?

>>23387063
I don't think she cares nearly enough.

>>23387051
This thing and Vidar were criminally underused. Also Barbatos Lupus Rex was ugly as sin

Can someone tell me why barbatos keeps being brought up on 00 discussions, and why it sends people to spergatory?

>>23383137
Don't forget the best animation and most kino MS. Zaku II F2 still the best Zaku of all time. They really need to do a revive of the Gelgoog Marine

>>23343402 (OP)
What are we apologising for?

>>23390148
For liking IBO.

>>23389988
People would always contested that that Barbatos could solo most most gundam settings because suits in IBO were made to resist beam weaponry so they'd stir power level wars on dumb shit they dpn really understand because they only watched Ibo.

first gundam i watched and i think the best

>>23390013
>Zaku II F2 still the best Zaku of all time
The concave chest looks weird

>>23387063
Challenge what? he’s out after his term

>>23390264
oh lmao, I'll respect shit stirring powerlevel fags.

ngl kinda wish this series had a compilation film set just to revisit some characters
a lot of nothing happens so you could probably get away with a single 150 minute film for each season

>>23394963
What's the point of compilation films if they don't add extra scenes?

>>23395142
Who said they couldn't?

>>23343402 (OP)
Oh Anonoru-sama I amu soo sarr ee gomenasai. Pureasu forgivu me andu ta resturu ofa da temu for disoopointering you wiffu bad anime animationu andu horriburu kusoge story

>>23390449
>>23394875
>>23398478
i cant believe there were faggots who actually hated barbatos design

>>23399898
Barbatos is absolutely the highlight of the show, more than the plot or characters. Watching it beat the fuck out of other giant robots with bludgeons and swords is very satisfying.

>>23399898
Lupus > Rex

>>23345805
Breedable