The show would've been like 10x more interesting if it dropped all the multiverse stuff and just focused on a "what if Zeon won?" scenario like Ghiren's greed or something.

But modern Gundam seems so allergic to developing any interesting political themes and focusing on shipping and mecha battles.
Which I'm usually okay with, but the mecha designs are getting worse, battles are getting worse, and the relationships are getting worse.

>>23343423 (OP)
>the mecha designs are getting worse, battles are getting worse, and the relationships are getting worse
No anon, you just grew bitter and jaded from years of consuming toxic internet "content".

>>23343431
Are you trolling?

>>23343423 (OP)
>But modern anime seems so allergic to developing any interesting political themes
ftfy
This issue is not exclusive to Gundam.

>>23343436
Are you not?

>>23343423 (OP)
The show ended like this because Tsurumaki, Enokido and Anno worship classic UC so much that they neglected the original setting and characters.

Yeah, I've been thinking this is swell and whatever, but could we just get another military story? Everyone wants to reference and clone all the characters and quotes and plot elements of the original series aside from the one year war part. I like the one year war. We should have another.

>>23343423 (OP)
>but the mecha designs are getting worse,
didn't you make a threads about this already?

>>23343447
I don't hate the show, I enjoyed it a decent amount. But it has so many issues that stop it from being way better.

Like I said in the OP there's a lot of really interesting ideas the show flirts with, but they are executed in a half ass way. Like the final battle with Nyaan and Machu vs Shuji, it feels so messy. It doesn't help that the main Gundam designs are so over cluttered, but the CG animation having near zero clarity doesn't help either.

It wasn't that bad in earlier episodes, but they went over board in this one.

The Char/Chalia duel was nice though, as was Xavier's

The relationships between the main trio feel so unbelievable though. I know they're newtypes, but I just didn't believe Shuji when he said "I love you to machu" the moment just had no weight. I didn't believe Machu and Nyaan's dynamic was strong enough either.

Honestly the most interesting character dynamic in this show was Xavier and Chalia.

>>23343439
I'm not too deep into anime these days so I'm not sure what the landscape is right now. I only check in when a series I've followed for a while like Gundam or Macross releases a new entry, or if staff I like such as directors, writers or character designers put out new work. Sometimes something new will catch my eye though. I'm looking forward to the All you need is kill adaptation.

>>23343496
The irony of modern staff felt like modern audiences couldn't connect with war stories these days right before we entered the biggest period since WW2 is never not going to be hilarious to me

>>23343501
Who hasn't? The OYW reinterpretations I actually thought were nice, but the GQuuuuuuX and GfreD I cannot completely get behind. At least in animation.
The GQuuuuuuX looks fine as a kit, but the animation style does not do it justice.

>>23343439
Undortunately eople are afraid of making anything resemble Israel vs Palenstein conflicts because of how much money and power Isreal has.

>>23343528

Why bother with Israel-Palestine? Just go for Ukraine, or even the civil wars in Sudan and Myanmar for that matter.

>>23343496
It’s because Gundam these days is produced for and by otaku who have an insular view of the world. Tomino, for all his quirks- was at least well versed in current events and used them as inspiration for his works. Victory being mainly set in European territories referencing the breakup of Yugoslavia and the many civil wars, High-Streamer being his commentary on South African colonialism, Hathaway was about the fall of the Soviet Union, etc.

>>23343561
Gundam hasn't done anything resembling modern proxy wars has it?

>>23343617
G-Witch briefly alluded to it with Spacenoids funding Earthnoids in-fighting

>>23343566
>otaku who have an insular view of the world
Yeah and otaku love shows about war and about the military and people in major conflicts lol
The entire boom of map games is because nerds fucking love military history. This is in their wheelbase, not outside of it.

>>23343617
Wasn't the conflict in 00 that setsuna was part of as a kid an explicit proxy war that was drummed up as a religious one?

I do wonder if people would be happy if they decided to make this series into a season based anthology series ala American Horror Story but based around the Zeon wins the OYW a lot of people thought this would have originally been. Like having the first season be the alternate OYW backstory. Then the next one would be the clanbat one and so on.

>>23343617
00 did it

>>23343561
>or even the civil wars in Sudan and Myanmar for that matter.
Nice try Shlomo

>>23343513
I would have killed for GQUX to look more like the Sisquiede, which is what a Zeon designed Gundam would have looked like in the OTL.

So Kycilia's main issue was her feeling ugly as a redhead and being envious of Casval and Artesia because they were blondes? Why does it even matter at this point? So retarded.

>>23343631
>Yeah and otaku love shows about war and about the military and people in major conflicts lol

and how many of those shows actually have any political themes and isn’t just wanking off the JSDF?

>>23343882
They were trying to do tomino writing without tomino. It's like that girl turning into a door knob in Twin peaks. Kinda lynchian but actually not and just silly.

>>23343423 (OP)
Much like the war in the middle east, this show was fucking nothing.

>>23343528
The 12+1 Days War provided us with the best bombing kino in history.

>>23343882
Kycilia wanted Casval to give her pure Aryan babies and wouldn't settle for anything less.

>>23343882
It's
>Char could have been a son to me.

>>23343423 (OP)
Am I the only one who thought this guy next to Sayla is supposed to be Ramba Ral?

>>23343987
Kycilia is 24 in OWY, and she would have been 16-17 in that scene. This doesn't make any sense.

>>23344037
>americans think 16 is too young to be pregnant

>>23344007
Is it not?

>>23344045
Pedo SEAmonkeys on my board, I miss the old /m/

>>23343423 (OP)
I honestly don't know where to start with Gqux. I believe that in a kinder world it would have had 24 episodes and a slower pacing, because some cool ideas where there, only to be half-baked and then enshittified by drinking the multiverse kool-aid. The clan battles arc was cool in concept - the irony of her teen malaise considering she lives in a colony, the contrast between her and Nyann in love and battle, the mid-season twist of the Titans which are not the Titans but Cyber-Newtypes butthurt feds funded by a Ghiren in a cold war with Kycilia and her naural Newtypes - were all good stuff, just done too quickly in six episodes. Then everything goes out the window because there are just five episodes left and trying to woven these characters in the alt-UC high-stakes plot they just built would have required too much time. So let's have Nyaan speedrun an assasination attemp, absolutely waste the plot point of Machu going on Earth because there is the need to put Lalah in the story, have Machu and Bull bond over nothing, have Machu and Nyaan fight over nothing, do whatever the fuck was the last episode.
Look, I can even close an eye for the multiverse stuff, because the idea for the twist was somewhat interesting: what if Char died protecting Lalah, and her out of pain searched a reality where this does not happen, and that reality was one in which Char stole the gundam, thus making an alt-UC in an alt-UC? Too bad this was done in the most asinine way possible (I still need to understand why Shuji, a fucking Newtype rando, is in the middle of all of this).
Maybe a movie can make things more clear, becuase now I just feel they fumbled a nice setting + characters for whatever was that ending.

anyone saying this needed to have more episodes despite the show ending perfectly fine is a fucking ADHD retard

>>23344783
>despite the show ending perfectly fine
kek
that said, the pacing was functional to be able to tell the story, absolutely horrid to tell a good one. It was full speed all the time just to try to keep up with the plot.

>>23343987
Having Kycilia randomly obsess over the deikuns having blond hair while she has red hair feels like Enokido desperately trying to ape the way Tomino writes his characters

Nyaan was such a shit character.

>>23343911
The Japanese are allergic to politics. Their ideal political system looks a lot like the shogunate: a caste of leaders making decisions where the common folk ought not to be involved. It would be fair to describe modern-day Japan as "democracy without republicanism".
Therefore, the military is portrayed as an autonomous entity (outside the realm of politics, oftentimes as the "pure" faction), rather than what it is in reality:
>War is not merely an act of policy but a true political instrument, a continuation of political intercourse carried on with other means
>The main lines along which military events progress, and to which they are restricted, are political lines that continue throughout the war into the subsequent peace. How could it be otherwise?...Is war not just another expression of their thoughts, another form of speech or writing? Its grammar, indeed, may be its own, but not its logic."

>>23343882
>>23343987

>>23343933
>tomino writing without tomino.

>>23344819
>Enokido desperately trying to ape the way Tomino writes his characters

IT'S LITERALLY TAKEN FROM THE NOVEL, YOU MORONS

>>23344852
These people just want to complain anon.

>>23344872
They can complain all they want, but I'm not letting them get away with blatant dishonesty.

>>23343423 (OP)
Unironically I want a colony slice-of-life/political thriller. Maybe follow someone who has to bounce from side to side for their job.

>>23343423 (OP)
A sweet image that should be way more interesting and ask way more questions than it did. There was no build up to this. It wasn't earned. These characters were only shallowly referenced and then all of this suddenly happens within a minute of the final episode.

The alternate zeon idea was really good. GQuuuuuuux is full of really interesting ideas but it doesn't do fucking ANYTHING with them all while having the pacing of a bull in a china shop.

I don't dislike GQuuuuuuX because of what it tried to be, I hate it because of how much it squandered its own potential.

>>23344911
>I don't dislike GQuuuuuuX because of what it tried to be, I hate it because of how much it squandered its own potential.
Tell it to Bandai. They are the ones cramming two cours of plot into one.

>>23344893
>slice-of-life/political thriller
what the fuck

>>23344945
One or the other, but if you can do both at the same time, I'm down.

this is so retarded but with how "meta" writers like being I'd honestly wouldn't mind a Gundam show that's more on literally developing a Gundam show.

Half of the show is some generic Gundam slop and the other half is the "real world" with the creators/actors/executives all beefing with each other trying to make the perfect Gundam but since they can't get into UNDERSTANDING, they end up sabotaging themselves in all different ways. Like for example, one actor beefs with one of the writers so the writer immediately writes him off the show causing the in house episode to be actual shit as online they start going wtf was this shit. The ending of the show has them create an in house movie that nobody can really say was their best work but Gundam fans somewhat really like it for some fucking reason. It's so fucking stupid I honestly wouldn't mind if this ends up happening. Just have the "in house" gundam moments similar to the actual reference, like have a guy literally named 7 headed vagina because Hoshimoto Watashi noticed that the executives only really care about the toys and therefore the Char clone 7 headed vagina was made.

>>23343423 (OP)
What it actually should have done is stick to its original premise of clan battles and not made the usual mistake of trying to copy UC politics/war shit down the stretch. It would have been a trillion times better as the grittier G Gundam I thought it was going to be when it was first announced.

>>23343423 (OP)
Is that Ramba Ral?

Wow that sucked.

>>23345124
You might as well animate Gundam Sousei then

>>23343423 (OP)
>But modern Gundam seems so allergic to developing any interesting political themes and focusing on shipping and mecha battles.
If this was made for a modern writer they would be more about the political themes instead of the twist into the story. Enokido is a heavy adherent of the japanese style of kishotenketsu, like many of the writers in his generation.

>>23343423 (OP)
>mecha battles.

what fucking mecha battles?!! there were barely any fights in the goddamn show! The GQuuuuuuX, the titular Gundam that the show is supposed to be about, spends *maybe* 10 minutes in actual combat in the whole fucking 12 episode series. the extremely brief 5-minute final fight with Shuji is Machu's only serious battle in the series. literally the only other thing she does is defeat 3 nameless jobbers in Zakus. that's it.

>make a third of your show about the importance of muh mav tactics
>never have it show up again until the finale where it's a 2v1 that's settled by the 1 fucking growing into kaiju size

>>23343423 (OP)
IS that sayla ? I might watch. I love her.

>>23345232
not gonna lie 5 minutes after I typed it I just realized I was just literally typing it lol.
I mean yeah, you know what animate Gundam Sousei. Sunrise Executives will not like this post though.

>>23345280
Don't, it took me longer to type this sentence than the combined amount of screentime she had.

>>23345257
I actually liked the Nyaan+Machu vs. Shuji fight before he pulled that Gurren Lagann spiral power bullshit and grew to battleship size. my enjoyment of the combat was laced with bitterness that they'd made me wait until the final fucking episode for something like this but it was fairly good
then it gets cut short right when I was starting to get a little less pissed and enjoy myself a little bit

>>23345292
Fuck, Queen Sayla hanging out with Ramba would have been fucking kino.

>>23343423 (OP)
I really liked it anon,normal people loved it. I think you're blowing this out of proportion.

>>23343423 (OP)
The show would've been like 10x more interesting if it dropped all the multiverse stuff and just focused on a "what if Zeon won?" scenario like Ghiren's greed or something.
you mean if they did exactly what people expect when they hear zeon won? thats too crazy to ever work anon more moeslop please

>>23345466
Normal people don't watch Gundam

>>23343431
>No anon, you just grew bitter and jaded from years of consuming toxic internet "content".

>>23343882
fucking jumped the shark lmao

>didn't get a 2v2 of Char/Shuji against Machu/Nyaan
FUCKING
ROBBED

>>23345466
>normal people
Do not pay the bills, Get this though your think reddit skull, Mecha is supported by Otaku. I don't give a shit about your shonen slop that children drool over. Shit like Gundam has and always been for the Otaku audience. The industry desperately trying to appeal to normal faggots has been a disaster both narratively and finically. We don't need or want "le epic female protagonists who is also a dyke teehee silly boys" or "Cute girls "romance" with multiple girls lusting for a girly pop boy he is so dreamy". We want bitter military drama featuring men just doing their fucking jobs, or reluctant heroes or Old vets dragged into one last job. I swear to fuck, if the next Gundam series has fucking highschools or Tournaments, I will go back in time and Nuke Japans two more times.

>>23344852
Ah yes the novel no one cares about. Of course that shit came from there.

>>23345477
gundam fanbase kind of has two pipelines.

Jaded and bitchless toonami era millenial who kind of lived at the edge of his own social group and the power fantasy of having a giant mech was something they never grew out of so they have a very narrow range of "what they like" and what they like is something they can self insert into somehow.

Or you get normies who onboard themselves with the simple and easy stuff and then dive deeper and deeper. Everyone likes big robots.

>>23345280
Yeah she’s the queen of Zeon now

>>23345466
Normal people generally have shit taste, especially when it comes to anime.

>>23345499
>Or you get normies who onboard themselves with the simple and easy stuff and then dive deeper and deeper. Everyone likes big robots.
That only exists in Japan or the boomer generation.

Show would have been better if it was about Amuro joining Zeon and becoming a NewType supremacist, impregnating Sayla and having Lalah as a mistress. Don't bother arguing. I am correct. Char was aborted.

This show was really disappointing. I remember when I watched the beginning movie I was so hyped because it seems like there was a lot of potential. But all the cool ideas were only explored at the surface level and ultimately ignored for some retarded convoluted multiverse plot line

>>23345496
Bandai produces hundreds of new products every year and you get 2-4 gundam shows each year. Put your spaghetti back in your pants, Gundam isn't some sort of safe space for fragile manchildren trying to isekai themselves out of their moms basement because their job at the gas station is too bleak.

Gundam is for everyone, it's a major mascot of japan. it's a worldwide icon. People love across the world and Bandai makes content designed for everybody. If you want your obscure niche fandom then you aren't going to find it coming from the company that made 8 billion dollars last year.

>>23345524
>T. Redditor
Go back.

>>23345518
>>23345515
The worst part is that Zeon wins timeline might never be done again since Khara did it.
Even worse this Zeon timeline was only achieved through magic.

>>23345525
I've never used reddit once, I've been coming to this fucking for almost 20 years. now go clean your room kid, you know your folks worry about you.
>>23345510
You would be surprised, This place is an echochamber for a very loud minority of people. These people are a demographic of the fandom (and every fandom has these people) that is always resistant to change and new things. There are plenty of studies out there to go find and read if it interests you.

The infected/brainrot member of the fandom looks around and sees everyone else having bad taste or being less committed to the scene than they are. When in reality it's their own mind that's gone to shit- They have lost touch with their own life. It's mental illness to look around at everyone else enjoying something and then thinking: "no, It's ME who is right. everyone else is wrong."

>>23343911
That's entirely tertiary to them being an open market to it. We don't get big realistic historical dramas so much these days either, and we clearly want it. Not getting something isn't evidence you can't handle it or something.

>>23344852
And then awkwardly shoved in at the climax of a 12 episode show right before the character dies. Who cares? It's terribly executed.

what if it's kinda of like Jacob's Ladder, and the whole show takes place a split second before she tanks the beam sabre for char?

>>23343439
>>23343528
Or maybe you're just a pseudo-intellectual that should stick to analyzing politics instead of needing it reflected back at you in the media you consume.

>The show would've been like 10x more interesting if it dropped all the multiverse stuff and just focused on a "what if Zeon won?" scenario like Ghiren's greed or something
No. This is a terrible idea. "Alternate history" always becomes metahistorical indulgence where historical figures are turned into caricatures to suit the author's political prejudices and historical events are constantly mentioned to point out that they happened differently. They are not good storytelling and do not have good characters. This is exactly the kind of thing that you're complaining about.

>>23346084
so the superior alternative is just... do nothing and make boring shows about school girls falling in love and crying?

>>23343423 (OP)
>so much of recent war and conflict revolves around counter insurgency, occupation, terrorism, asymmetric warfare, drones, etc
>cant do anything interesting in a zeon wins and occupies earth setting, cant do anything with a OYW where fed MS development was decapitated, cant do anything topical with funnels or bits, etc etc etc
they are hacks who dont want to tell an interesting near future war drama. they want to co-opt it to tell effeminate slice of life stories while using the existing IP to suck fans in

>>23345622
>whole show is a gunpla builders fantasy as he puts his newest char custom up on the shelf
would have actually made all this dumb shit excusable and showed some love for the fanbase

>>23346084
>"Alternate history" always becomes metahistorical indulgence where historical figures are turned into caricatures to suit the author's political prejudices and historical events are constantly mentioned to point out that they happened differently. They are not good storytelling and do not have good characters. This is exactly the kind of thing that you're complaining about.
These are already fictional characters, you gigantic dumbass.

>>23345622
This was already done in an arc of the Gundam-san manga.

>>23343423 (OP)
>RambalCHADs WON
That's all I care. Shit "alternative timeline" nonsense. But I can forgive it for more RAMBAL. Anon already explained it better here. >>23343503 >>23343483 Char, Lalah, Chalia, all the OG characters had brilliant characterization. But Machu, Shuji and Nyaan were barely characters. It was interesting the thing that was going on with Nyaan and Kycilia, but it didn't amount to anything for Nyaan around the end. I don't know what the fuck it's Shuji besides being Kaworu clone #20292. And Machu... Well she needed characters like Chalia, Lalah and Char to shine a bit. She just feels like a plot point more than a character.

>>23346120
ah another genius reference that just proves how great gqux is

>>23346084
>no no anons we dont want to risk them making something bad lets just ensure they always make something bad
kill yourself lmao

>>23345524
>>23345552
People say "gundam is for everyone" to defend the alternate timeline memberberries series that wont make sense to anyone that hasn't read the novel. Apparently not, gundam is for people who don't care about the story but instead care about epic references to gaia gear, something no teenage girl has ever heard of before.

>remove Machu, Nyaan and the trite love story
>remove clan battles
>make Challia, or hell, maybe even fucking Xavier the MC/pov character instead, you could even make Xavier female if you need an original female character as a protag
>explore the anti-Zabi faction conspirators navigating Zeon politics
Would be full memberberry but desu it already kinda is.

>>23346136

>>23343423 (OP)
>>23346149
anything any of us write in like 30 seconds would be better than qux here ill do it now
>char stole the gundam and "won" the war but died during Solomon or whatever the fuck still
>chalia later finds someone (Xavier why not) who stole a gundam from criminals or insurgents and used his newtype powers to get away with it
>two of them enact chars plan to take down the zabis while exploring newtypism and fantasizing about how great the world would be if char didn't die
>see visions of what could have been, gryps war, chars counter attack, etc etc and realize that char wasn't some magic solution to conflict and everyone needs to be more newtypeish
its not hard to come up with a better story that what qux did and I genuinely believe its because the creators of this are not gundam fans and have no respect for the existing base

>>23345476
Why just not animate Gihren's Greed, but add a twist with dimension-hopping/time-rewinding? Nobody needs something as half-assed as G-Quacks that can't commit to anything.

>>23346178
I JUST TOLD YOU THAT YOU WOULDN'T LIKE IT

SEE >>23346084

>>23343423 (OP)
Yeah I liked all the OYW remixed suits, but the quack and fred were awful.

>>23343423 (OP)
Having two focusses was already enough. The coming of age story of the original chatacters and Challia's plot to kill the Zabis. At some point earlier than in this show Machu should have joined the Sodon crew, come under Challia's tutorship and sfarzed making exoeriences and grow as a character. But this show spent too much time in afterschool battle of the week mode when it had no time for that because it introduced yet another focus and kinda dropped the others, by giving us the Lalah story in ep 8. After two thirds of the show were over.

>>23346146
That's because the whole point of alternate timelines is "memberberries". It's a guidebook where the point is to show a familiar landmark and say "hey, you know that thing? Here it is, but different!" Usually this leads to stilted and artificial characters and events because they're being controlled by whatever the historical conceit is and the story has to stick close enough to history to be recognizable as "alternate". The alternate historical part of GQuuuuuuX is actually very conventional in that regard.
If we could actually see alternate timelines I'm sure they would diverge so radically as to be totally alien within a very short time. It's something that happens so often in historical strategy games that they usually get railroaded so that they vaguely resemble actual events.
I'm sure there must be a story that doesn't follow that pattern but I can't think of one.

>>23346185
Why are you pretending to be me?

>>23346178
I would actually prefer Gihren's Greed over a new anime. I think a video game is better at exploring this kind of thing, actually I think a linear format is the worst possible way to do it.

>>23345124
When the insert song for last episode dropped I instantly thought of the Star Trek episode where the captain gets knocked out and wakes up in 1950 where he's a science fiction writer creating the world for the show. I think I probably would have enjoyed that more, where Machu and Nyaan are fighting over their doujin and also fighting in outer space and the newtype autism is expressed as just regular autism.

>>23344037
>girls dont care about their womanhood until they turn 18

>>23344852
I noticed how Tomino-esque that line was and felt charitable enough to khara for getting his style right even if it's just for one line, but that they just ripped it wholesale from his novels only sours me on it

>>23346146
you do remember what saved gundam from being canceled? teenage girls.

>>23346149
If you check the interviews, they seemed to get mandated to "focus" or pretend to on original characters. The way they speak of them is very reluctant "o-of course we need to focus on original, BUT WHAT IF CHAR PILOTS A RED GUNDAM?? AND CHALLIA GETS MORE SCREENTIME LIKE THE NOVEL."
They are hyped about the nostalgia shit, but it seemed that Bandai probably demanded new characters to greenlight it.

>>23343423 (OP)
You've missed the point of the show.

>>23346365
I'd be offended were I Tomino.

Although the criticism is valid, I am surprised why anyone is surprised at the fact that it turned out this way.

This is exactly how I expected a UC adjacent Gundam made by Khara to be like. And people talking about lack of politics an so on as if Gundam has never been hocus pocus newtype stuff. If CCA came out today I am sure it would've gotten the same treatment.

I am seeing this as a love letter for the old gundam era, although with very limited timeslot, and a way to let go of that ( Machu beheading the RX-78 ) with a pinch of Eva because almost all of us are fans too.

Also, Anno and co are huge gundam fans and Eva was partly inspired by it. The amount of fanservice we got is insane and I loved it. I guess it's true that Machu's and Nyaan's characters felt lacking but I think they were hoping for a movie.

>>23346377
Tomino just made that up because he doesn't want to admit everyone likes gunpla. He saw some gay porn and was like "that makes me feel a lot better, I'll say it was all the gay porn instead".

>>23346214
This is just more justification for why it shouldn't have been an alt timeline, let alone a fucking multiverse.

>>23346383
>They are hyped about the nostalgia shit, but it seemed that Bandai probably demanded new characters to greenlight it.
This entry is so self-serving for Tsurumaki and Enokido. They just wanted to peddle their fanfic from decades ago as some new, hot shit, deserving of an adaptation. Bandai should have never allowed it even with the conditions of introducing original main characters. It's clear the creative team doesn't really care as much about Machu, Nyaan, Shuuji and the rest of the new characters - they were simply a means to an end of getting their fanfiction wanking turned into an anime. It's like ordering ice cream and getting a waffle with cream with SOME ice cream topping instead. This show is a promotional failure of the same calibre as WfM: the creators get contracted to deliver an entry that would get young girls into Gundam and they cook up either a retard lesbian as the MC (who only appeals to male otaku) or sideline the teen cast altogether in favour of their blorbos (this show).
Those two (Tsurumaki and Enokido) must have insane connections (probably Anno) to pull this con off and not be worried about getting blacklisted in the industry. Fuck them both.

>>23346433
is this a copypasta

the tomino dickriding and idol worship is getting a bit out of hand.

Wait now I'm hella confused, what the fuck did Amuro mean with "LETS GET THE BEGINNING"
why the fuck does a zeknova leave Char completely fine but Shuji gets space ghosted?

>>23346508
Shuji never belonged to this reality and went to the other universe together with Lalah. Char only got his clothes changed.

>>23346526
wtf

>>23345499
You forgot the third pipeline.
The jaded history buff who only sees the franchise as a conduit for their skewed worldview, who cares more about venting about current events and getting use out of their major via discussion than anything else.

>>23346163
it is shocking how they seemed to pick the worst possible option that isn't just a clear middle finger

>>23346163
if they insisted on having dimension hopping lalah why not give her more agency. she would know in this world char and amuro dont kill one another. maybe she could try to get herself into space to become some newtype guru for them and runs into some new characters who, like char an amuro, end up in conflict and illustrate there's no quick fix for human nature

>>23343911
Are you asking for recs?

>>23346122
Ramba didn't even get a line. Meanwhile precious time was wasted on Comoli 'seeing things' and feeding us info what 'true Newtypes are'.

>>23346084
Those faults are more of bad authors than of alternate history itself

>focusing on shipping and mecha battles
>mecha battles
but they didn't, this shit is /a/ garbage by all means

>>23343511
>just 2 more weeks bros!!
You're just as retarded as them

>>23346449
>an entry that would get young girls into Gundam
This is incredibly idiotic behaviour on Bandai's part. Why do they insist on trying to make fetch happen?
If they are so desperate with the "young teen" market, then make a show they want to watch, rather than forcing an old franchise into those parameters.

>>23352076
I mean it worked before with SEED and WFM

>>23346449
>Those two (Tsurumaki and Enokido) must have insane connections (probably Anno) to pull this con off and not be worried about getting blacklisted in the industry.
Tsurumaki directed the Rebuilds. He has as much clout as you can imagine within the industry.
And even if some Bandai exec gets uppity, him and Enokido can go knock on Warner's door and get free dollars, in the same way Watanabe made that Lazarus thing for HBO Max. After all, they are the creators of FLCL, which is still an icon of anime in the west and got a bunch of lousy WB-financed "sequels" under Tsurumaki's "supervision".

>>23352076
>If they are so desperate with the "young teen" market, then make a show they want to watch
Bandai thinks that just by adding school settings (WfM) or making the MC 'a rebellious teen just like (You)' and slapping Pokemon designs on it (G-Quacks) is equivalent to
>making a show that 'young teens' want to watch

>>23352115
You can make a show that caters to the young female audience.
But making it work IN GUNDAM is a different task altogether. It's like if, say, Dana White wanted to make teenage girls a new audience for the UFC.

And no, we aren't in the early 80s anymore. While the original Mobile Suit Gundam got its share of young female fans back then, these are different times now.

>If it worked for Gridman, it'll work for us.
>Look, we even got ex-gainax too!

>>23345524
>Bandai produces hundreds of new products every year
And a majority of it is P-bandai now, and has been for the last four years. Guess who that’s for. Here’s a hint: not the lowest common denominator.
Have you ever been to a hobby store in America? I have, several, all the time. I’m even a part of the only model building society in my area. You know what I found? Small groups of old people, only interested in planes and tanks. The Gunpla product in the stores barely moves at all.
Despite the way you’re trying to position it as a worldwide icon or household name, gundam and gunpla are not big like that. Anime is, but not Gundam. The last time Gundam had a worldwide moment was when CNN called it a Transformer by accident four years ago, because even they couldn’t be bothered to actually look into it like it mattered. Even DBZ got more sincere news coverage back in the day.

>>23352165
Gundam is selling more than ever though, so whatever they're doing in the last five years or so seems to be working better than anything else they did before.

>>23352190
Compare with these numbers from 2006.

>>23352193
And here is the middle 10s

>>23352165
Yeah because most hobby stores in America are for small groups of old men who build WWII fighters. Most people who buy Gunpla just do it online

>>23352190
>>23352193
Tbf this shows consistent growth among all properties, not just Gundam

Except Super Sentai,which seems to have just shat the bed totally

>>23344836
So...just was/is the purpose of the imperial family?

>>23352349
Ethnocultural symbol.
>Throughout most of medieval Japan, the shogun's legitimate authority was based on being appointed and receiving the power from the emperor even though the shogun was the de facto ruler.
>During most of history, de facto [political] power was with shoguns or prime ministers. The emperor was more like a revered embodiment of divine harmony than the head of an actual governing administration.
Historically, the Meiji/Taisho/early Showa periods, with an Emperor directly involved in the administration along European lines, is the exception rather than the rule. You could even argue that, after 1945, the Emperor returns to its old role as a figurehead.

A Zeon victory timeline is something I've always dreamt of for years, I can't believe this premise was wasted on this heap of trash

>>23352843
Yeah, IMAGINE.

>>23352843
>>23353722
Well you found out Zeon can only win thanks to a magic Indian girl invading the timeline. How does it make you feel?
>>23343423 (OP)
The fact that it takes Lalah becoming a sleeping God is hilarious.

>>23343503
If anything it's the early episodes with the shitty duel battles that set up the latter half of the show to fail. Instead of learning interesting things we got bullshit instead.

>>23353732
>Zeon can only win thanks to a magic Indian girl invading the timeline
The Zabis are a blight on Zeon.

>>23352097
>in the same way Watanabe made that Lazarus thing for HBO Max
Doesn't seem to be working out too well for him

>>23344836
Close but no cigar.
They're allergic to instability
Why do you think they've elected the same party for over 70 years.
Japan would rather stay frozen in time and lose 3 decades in the 90s 00s and 10s than to experience anything tumultuous or immediate.

>>23345496
>previous Gundam had a highschool
>first Gundam AU had a tournament
Better start enriching that uranium anon

>>23344914
Nah, it was one cours of plot stuffed into six episodes and the other six episodes were straight up filler.

>>23345466
I haven't seen many "normal" people actually praise the show itself. Mostly they just point and shout at the epic references.

>>23343423 (OP)
qux was in a rough spot nearly instantly because of the episode count, but the recent interviews and behind the scenes stuff coming out that reveals they had no plan and no ideas other than just reference after reference sometimes to franchises other than gundam is fucking shocking

>>23359017
>the recent interviews and behind the scenes stuff coming out that reveals they had no plan and no ideas other than just reference after reference
Source? Are these interviews online?