When people said that Gquux is zeonwank, they're aren't kidding. There's no mention or appearance/cameo of Amuro and other White Base crews. There one OC ex-Feddy and Titans but that's it.

>>23345263 (OP)
Japan is obsessed with Zeon and Char. They don't like Amuro and the federation. Amuro's a jobber now in sidestories too.

Seeing this menagerie of dull powers makes me yearn for the days of actually likeable crewmembers, like Job John or Arnold Neumann

>>23345263 (OP)
I imagine its because since Char gets the Gundam and White Base they never get pressed into service and just live their lives.
Amuro succeeds with his Haro toy and settles down with Fraw, Kai is balls deep in Miharu everyday, Ryu survives and Hayato's still pathetic.

>>23345303
Kai wouldn't have met Miharu...

>>23345282
>actually likeable crewmembers
>Arnold Neumann
Good joke. There's no "character" there. It's only a giant barrel roll meme.

>>23345270
>Amuro's a jobber now in sidestories too.
Manga don't matter not even Crossbone. And if Amuro jobs then that means Char looks worse by comparison.

>>23345270
Char is simply the more interesting character by a long margin. He basically had everything going for him in the original series: the tragic backstory, goals, personality, presence whenever he showed up on screen, even the fucking soundtrack.
Amuro's shtick of being a kid being thrown into war and getting scarred for life was interesting during the original release, but it's not particularly well written and doesn't stand the test of time. Then in Zeta and CCA Amuro has nothing at all to offer to the narrative.
It's even worse when you look at the federation itself, because the overall message through the franchise is that they're hopelessly corrupt and inept. It's the faction for the people with no imagination who need to be told who the good guy is, despite not actually doing anything to back that up other than fighting who you're being told the bad guy is.
Zeon gets all of the interesting dynamics going on and you want to see what they're going to do next and why. There are a million different scenarios people could come up with for how the story would progress that are better than "and then space UN wins", while the core issue is never resolved and everything happens again in the next series.

It's crazy to me that they resisted having Kai show up in some capacity, even if a minor cameo.

>There's no mention or appearance/cameo of Amuro and other White Base crews.
If you think about it, there's no real reason for anyone of them to show up. They're all civilians who would never have gotten involved in the military otherwise. The only exception being Bright and Ryu, but those two might have died when Char captured the White Base.

>>23345794

All we got was a brief appearance of Yashima Industries, Mira's family company

>>23345794
I mean considering we saw Mirai's shlubby fiancee, I don't think cameos as civilians was out of the question.

>>23345759
The way Amuro is discussed nowadays, he feels more akin to Doomguy or Goblin Slayer; less a character, more a force of nature that slaughters Zeeks by the hundreds.

>>23345794
There was no real reason for half the cameos and references in the show but they happened anyway.

>>23345263 (OP)
>no cameo of Amuro
Did you miss the whole part where he, Amuro, got a cameo

>>23345814
Isn't that what one of the major selling points of Gundam has always been?
Heroic and noble Gundam but always an episode or two that really showcases that the teenager is in an indestructible war machine and will cut down dozens of enemies without breaking a sweat?

In MSG Amuro lost his shit in the desert and just started beating spacenoids to death with it's fists

>>23345263 (OP)
Gundam has been nothing but Zeonwank since 0080

>>23345759
I really enjoy the main core of first gundam, which is the amateur hour drama between the white base crew. And I really disagree about it not standing the test of time. It's really universal human drama the same as the usurped prince is.
Anyone can imagine themselves thrown into the deep end with strangers and not being ready for it. It's just that archetype is severely degraded, in otaku media at least, because of narou-kei.

>>23345777
Like Scirocco, Kai's just too powerful.
It would upset the balance.

>>23345777
The world of Gquacks cannot handle puerto rican secret agent martial arts.

>>23345794
There's no real reason for a Sailor Moon reference or a Nadia reference or a Gunbuster reference or a FLCL reference or using Beyond The Time for the RX-78-2 anyway yet here we are.

>>23345263 (OP)

What was even the point of this character?

>>23347755
Le epic reference to 0079 heh

>>23347755
No kidding she looks exactly like a new girl boss at work.

>>23347755
Challia Bull's beard

>>23345263 (OP)
What is up with this fucking Pokémon art style for faces in modern gundam

>>23347789
Uh... the character designs were quite literally designed by the current Pokémon artist. Have you been living under a rock?

>>23347755
She's cute

>>23347791
I’m not on the internet that much I’m living my life. That’s insane if that’s true. I thought this show seemed like a dumpster fire shit show before but this is like parody level how can we fuck this up the most level shit. like if you told someone in the 90s hey yeah gundam is going to have a Pokémon character designer design the characters in an upcoming gundam project they would literally say that’s retarded I’m not falling for that.

>>23347755
Megane supremacy, of course.

>>23347789
because they are made by Pokemon artists?
aren't massive bulging eyes and inhuman infant faces just soooo heckin cute and wholesome tho

>>23345759
>There are a million different scenarios people could come up with for how the story would progress that are better than "and then space UN wins"
This is the thing I don't get: why is this nearly always the end outcome, since we can all acknowledge it's not very interesting? Why does it always have to collapse back to the status quo?
It gets to the point where they have to make up a "coalition of scrappy good guys" (AEUG, Londo Bell, League Militaire and its various imitators in the AUs) to spice things up a bit, but, as you well say, it doesn't solve anything.

>Zeon gets all of the interesting dynamics going on and you want to see what they're going to do next and why.
While Zeon has its aristocratic political game, the Federation is a beige blob with very little depth to it outside of mentions of "Earth elites" and "keeping spacenoids down", since the only element of it that we ever see is the armed forces.
I think the worst part is that, outside of side material, nobody has developed the political side of the Federation outside of very broad strokes in Zeta and Unicorn (and the latter only served to introduce that Marcenas/Links/Carbine conspiracy crap). Just for once, someone has to do the actual work of making the Federation an interesting faction. For instance, if there are cliques in its assembly, or how much power do the individual nation-states still have.

>Challia didn't get to be with his boyfriend in the end
Challia bros... It's over

>>23345263 (OP)
It's somewhat amusing the lengths that Quax went to make the Federation a non-entity, to the point it almost seems spiteful.
Even when you see a Magellan-class in the last episode, it's from Side 6's police.

>>23348349
Yeah wtf was that even doing there

>>23348360

Side 6 co-funded Yomang'tho. Of course they sent a contingent of their military police to guard any representatives of their government.

That Magellan opted to retaliate against Zeon after the Zeknova(s).

>>23345809
it was set on his home Side, anon
he's also just a major player in the earthsphere political system no matter how you look at it, it's like having General Revil or M'Quve show up

>>23345814
Amuro, in the Gundam, ceases to be human and becomes a machine for slaughtering Zeeks
he rarely snaps out of that fugue state even when people are attempting to communicate with him

>>23345814
>a force of nature that slaughters Zeeks by the hundreds
i don't know I prefer a hot blueberry-haired girl in that role

>>23345759
>>23345814
>>23345926

Tomino has said that the Original Mobile Suit Gundam was meant to be a complete and finished anime. The stories were supposed to conclude in that anime. Tomino is content with how it ended.

Every Gundam series since then, has been an effort to try to stretch the Gundam story out beyond its original idea. Tomino says they struggled with it and they felt the original 1970s anime was better than anything they made afterwards since it's so complete and final.


>>23348349
Why is Kycillia using such an old ship? She should be on a bigger ship like Gwazine class.

>>23353232
>cried over killing Glemy
lmao no

>>23348190
NTA but you're talking about Hiraiface right? I'd rather have Pokemon designs than Hiraface.

>>23345447
The creators just mentioned in an interview that they did consider featuring Kai and Miharu as a couple and Miharu being an active intelligence officer involved in the Side 6 affairs.

I find it funny that the Sodon just sat out of the events of everything in the Yomagn'tho Incident, going "wtf is happening" while shit was going down. And in the end, they were the ones to survive because they did that.

>>23345263 (OP)
>five uniform designs
Get your shit together, Zeon.

>>23353264
Glemy was a chad who call Haman out on her bullshit

>>23353264
I don't remember Amuro laughing when he stabbed Lalah to death

>>23345263 (OP)
according to the recent gqux staff talk screening
>kai and miharu would've shown up in episode 9 as a married couple
>at some point they were also considering matilda and woody for the role instead
>this was meant to mirror amuro meating ramba and hamon in 0079

oh wow that already got mentioned like 4 times
pays to scroll down, i guess

>>23353348
half the fun of war is making tons of variants of your uniforms
t- robot war commanders

>>23348349
Because the Federation doesn't exist in the space, much less on Zeon controlled space. It's explained literally on the first episodes.

>>23345777
In today's staff talk they mentioned that episode 9 was different and instead of Lalah and Kabas, Machu was going to meet Kai and Miharu (now a proper zeon intelligence officer).

>>23345759
Amuro's story was the backbone of 0079, the fact it was so well-written is what made the show work, along with that of the White Base crew. Char might have been a compelling antagonist, but he was still only an antagonist, and he was even absent for a long stretch of the series after getting Garma killed. Amuro is still compelling in Zeta too, but that show is focused more on Kamille (as it should be) and Char's attempts to at least try to be good. Amuro is the driving force of there still being hope in the world and of not resorting to apocalyptic or myopic, selfish bullshit in CCA.

Also, I feel like, starting with Unicorn, some people started drinking the Zeon Kool-Aid. The original series through CCA make it quite clear that Zeon is ultimately a disastrous movement driven by all the worst aspects of humanity and that will massacre humanity and eventually itself. Gihren, Kycilia, etc. want the world crushed and broken to fit in the palm of their hand, seeking to denigrate and reduce others as opposed to only just persuing deranged ways to elevate themselves. Even Degwin was like that, but he just got complacent after murdering Deikun and seizing power, though he certainly signed off on the OYW.

The only person who really came close to any good intentions and healthy thinking that Deikun had was ironically Sayla, and it's precisely because she abandoned all that Zeon bullshit, and that's if Deikun himself ever really did have good intentions and healthy thinking.

>>23353411
If true, how would Kai even meet Miharu? He's not going to Scotland if the White Base doesn't drag his ass there.

>>23353897
I think there must have been some kind of parallel to the White Bases' adventures considering the whole Ace Pilot Sayla Mass plot point. But, yeah, they really don't explore much anything on the Fed's side.

>>23353897
Considering Kai turns into James Bond in Zeta, it's not too farfetched.

>>23345814
He's truly the White Devil.

People who say Amuro is an uninteresting or non-deep character are telling on themselves that they didn't watch any of the UC shows, they're just reacting to pop culture. Amuro's personal development across two shows and CCA, and his grappling with his role in war and the path of human evolution is one of the best-told protagonist arcs in anime.

>>23345794
You're in a place where retards say "Well they had a random visual references to something unrelated, so why shouldn't they have characters there that would make no sense to be there" and I hope you keep that in mind next time you try common sense

>>23354061
>characters there that would make no sense to be there
such as?

>>23345794
You'd think Amuro would be involved especially after the Lalah situation. If Lalah is seeing visions and knowledge form her other self, the same would be true for Amuro.

>>23353650
>much less on Zeon controlled space
This thing is literally on low-Earth orbit, which would mean that the Federation has zero military projection whatsoever.

>>23354036
>is one of the best-told protagonist arcs in anime.
You're telling on yourself that you haven't watched much anime.

My guess is that everything's been done with Zeon so there's less chance for something to be a spit in the face.

Everyone holds the White Base cast and crew sacred.

Also you add the fact that Zeon is more autocratic and centered around personalities with dogmatic beliefs and Napoleon types which make for more interesting storytelling instead of the Federation which is just a giant parliament of faceless bearucrats who are guided by mundane things like free trade and stability and whose military is (hell its in its name) only there to be an apolitical security force.


So why wouldnt you focus on the group that is always about changing the status quo vs one that ones to enforce "nothing ever happens"

Do you see any anime that shows the jaw dropping exciting action of the LDP assembling in the Diet and the JDSF patrolling the same trade route for the 1000th time? Why do you think GATE had to be some isekai lol.


Paradoxically you could wank the Federation only by having them completely shook to their core by Zeon that everyone is affected or involved and that would mean Zeon would have to be even more buffed and wanked which would just have more outcry of zeek wankery.

There's nothing to do with the Feddies. because
1. a conditional armistace with Zeon is the most true to form way to have this what-if scenario without severely rewriting the capabilities and strength of the Federation. And extreme competence washing of the Zabis and Zeon
2. As soon as you think logically you'd realize Zeon and the Zabis as they were conceived are a ticking time bomb and its only a matter of when not if, they implode from their factionalism and interservice rivalry. So anyone in the Feddie side of things would just be going through the motions till that day comes

So for a series that is not even 20 episodes it makes sense there's no time wasted on mundane Salt episodes showing Hayato in Judo class or Father/Son workshop time with Tem and Amuro.

>>23354100
Amuro's force ghost was involved tho. He's in the G quacks

>>23355731
I mean, the Amuro from this world. And the Amuro force ghost is what I'm talking about. If it's in this world you'd think it'd have the same effect Lalah from the other world had on GQuuuuux Lalah.

>>23345814
play zeonic front and you'll feel exactly that

>>23345610
Ok well he jobs to Char in games, like UC Engage.

>>23345759
Amuro was so well received as a character that he became the archetype for the reluctant mecha pilot. This is just cope. The zeekwank started with 0083 turning Zeon into samurais with gato tardraging about MUH HONOR AND MUH SHAME

>>23345759
>It's even worse when you look at the federation itself, because the overall message through the franchise is that they're hopelessly corrupt and inept
And they're still doing the right thing despite it all. The fact that they're the "bad guys" for forcing everyone to move into space after Zeta isn't an indictment against the Federation. Idealogues are just insane and never satisfied. Moving everyone into space and emptying out Earth is LITERALLY WHAT THE AEUG WAS FIGHTING FOR. That's what the good guys and what Char wanted and it's what they got. You can't do that shit without breaking a few eggs.

>>23355717
>Everyone holds the White Base cast and crew sacred.
No they don't. See: The Origin. Japan borderline hates the main cast.

>>23355717
Yeah, instead they wasted time on pointless duel games and Zeta references.