So maybe it's the zoomer in me speaking (born in 1998) but there are so many people criticising Gquuuuuux and saying it's worse than G-Reco or Victory.

I have no idea how could someone watch a 12 episode show and say it's worse than a similar quality 24 or 50 episode show.

Even if GQuuuuuux had weird pacing, a bad plot or terrible characters (not saying GQuuuuuux has all of those), a torture that lasts for 12 episodes always will be better than a torture that lasts for 50.

Even shows that I enjoyed like Zeta or 00 felt too long for what they were going for with 50 episodes each. How do you not get bored out of your mind watching bad shows for 50 episodes?

Is this a copypasta? I notice that if the lines are spaced out like that it's usually a copypasta.

50 episodes is fine for a huge space epic but gundam hasn't been about those for ages.

>>23346513 (OP)
Because 50-episode shows allow the characters to breathe and decompress and sweat the small details. The shorter the show is, the more plot-focused it has to be, at the expense of characterization and development, mobile suit battles, interpersonal conflicts, rising action, and finally a resolution.

Take for instance two Cyber-Newtypes of the Murasame Newtype Labs: Four and Deux. Both piloted a Psycho Gundam and laid waste to the surrounding city in their psychic rage. But Four also got to experience brief moments of lucidity, a small fling with Kamille, determination to protect him and a vain attempt to reclaim her lost memories, and finally resolution when she saves him from Jerid, at the cost of her life.

Now Deux appears, seems wrangled by Gates Capa, goes on a psychic rampage trying to kill Kycilia, then gets vaporized by Challia Bull and her story ends. I blame that solely and entirely on GQuuuuuuX being but twelve episodes in length. Add some more, and we could've seen more of Deux as a character before she had to inevitably exit the stage.

>>23346544
Counterpoint:
With 12 episodes you don't get dumb shit like Four surviving just to fight against Kamille again and die again in that same episode.
Also nothing seemed interesting about Deux, we've seen her character archetype dozens of times before in Gundam. I could get the argument of "50 episodes bring more characterization/ small details", but I'm specially talking about bad shows in the OP, not good shows.

>>23346556
IBO's a good example of a show that didn't its 50 episodes well either. Hell it still felt rushed somehow.

>>23346513 (OP)
>a torture that lasts for 12 episodes always will be better than a torture that lasts for 50
A good show that lasts for 50 episodes will always be better than a good show that lasts for 12. Why wouldn't you want more of a good thing? And if it's bad? Then don't watch in the first place, why would you sit and watch even 12 episodes of something you hate?

>>23346513 (OP)
This has so many faulty premises that I think you'd do well to revisit some of the PHIL 201 material from your university days.
>>23346531
It's an expanded post he made over in /a/.

>>23346513 (OP)
>worse than G-Reco or Victory
What's wrong with those shows?

>>23346513 (OP)
I agree, actually, 50 to more episodes of mecha is shit. it could use a lot of trimming.

some of the best mecha anime only have 6 or 24 episodes, when it goes further than that, it becomes filler hell.

I could see that in the future, only kids shows like Doraemon or shonen anime like naruto needs 50 episodes.

How are people able to keep up with shit like One Piece? Serious question.

>>23346544
I don’t think there is any gundam show that needed to be 50 episodes long. You could shorten it down to 45 or 40 and very little would end up changing. Way too much in gundam is characterization of a character that isn’t important or even that likeable or some romance plot that ultimately means nothing when romance as a sub plot seems to be included in just about every show. Doesn’t matter at that point. It’s just a thing for a checklist.

New types are the most stupid shit in gundam the paragraph about that sounded like deviant art do not steal retard shit. the best gundam stories are the more focused grounded ones without new type bullshit. Shorter as well.


The only reason gundam is 50 episodes is because it’s a tv show and they have to stretch it out to meet that arbitrary episode count to play on tv

>>23346513 (OP)
Im not a shitty zoomer with ADHD.

>>23346714
>I don’t think there is any gundam show that needed to be 50 episodes long. You could shorten it down to 45 or 40 and very little would end up changing. Way too much in gundam is characterization of a character that isn’t important or even that likeable or some romance plot that ultimately means nothing when romance as a sub plot seems to be included in just about every show. Doesn’t matter at that point. It’s just a thing for a checklist.
There was no checklist when Zeta was airing other than to show robots. Fuck off with your cynicism.

>>23346714
I stopped reading at the word likeabe. Anybody who describes a character as likeable needs to be taken being a shed and shot.

>>23346722
*behind
Holy shit I need coffee before I yell at people who have never read books before

>>23346719
I'd argue until SEED there was no set checklist for Gundams. Or if there was it was small.

I think bandai is coming around and realizes their shorter content is easier for new fans to digest. It is probably more profitable too, as a new kit is going to sell regardless of how much screentime that kit receives.

This also allows them to produce different types of content. 2-4 shows a year gives them room to make "something for everybody" and so fans are less upset when a new offering isn't fully what they were expecting.

>>23346722
>>23346725
Go back pseud.
>>>/tv/

>>23346791
I still think 24 episodes is the best format for most animated content. Actually I am worried that the movie will give Sunrise the wrong impression.

This entire thread is just some really depressing shit.

>>23346798
Also when I say 24 episode I mean 24 straight episodes not this split season BS where it makes it easier for Sunrise execs to interfere.

>>23346700
a select few have actually been around the whole time. most only know anything from youtube or the internet and don't actually watch/read

>>23346642
He hasn't seen them and brainlessly repeats reddit/twitter consensus. If he really thinks that gcucks is better than both of those then I feel pity for him.

>>23346791
>2-4 shows a year gives them room to make "something for everybody"
But the gap between shows has only gotten longer in spite of them being shorter.

>>23346791

I'd wager the fault with both Witch from Mercury and GQuuuuuuX laid with who's tasked to make the Gundam show.

WfM's problem was sticking to the high school idea while ignoring stuff like Spacian corporations exploiting the suffering of Earthians and what Elnora Samaya tried to achieve with Quiet Zero. GQuuuuuuX's problem was introducing too many characters, setting up potential story arcs, and doing little with them (Comoli, the girls that flocked around Amate/Machu, mentioning Amate/Machu's father being a diplomat, the status of the Earth Federation, Artesia Deikun/Sayla Mass being a shadow player in the post-war Zeon political intrigue, and how Shuji is related to Alternate Lalah that he devoted himself to end Alternate Lalah's suffering over her wanting to keep Casval/Char alive).

>>23346642
G-Reco's an especially odd example, when the most enduring criticism with it is that it felt way too compressed

>>23346939
G-Reco would have made even less sense with more time.

>>23346722
Are you autistic by any chance? How would you prefer I say it? Charismatic? Not fucking obnoxious or retarded looking? Visually appealing in some way? Those things are converge into a character being likable. Gundam has a problem where it inflates a cast and a lot of them are throwaway characters that wouldn’t negatively effect the show if they were just cut outright. too many characters that look stupid and act annoying. I would say most gundam shows would be improved if you strategically removed a character or two or cut their screen time down by at least half.

>>23346513 (OP)
Fuck off they're too short already

>>23346513 (OP)
50 episodes are great
I hate 26 episode bullshit that has to rush, and also pretend i'm going to have to give a shit about them in a short time

>>23347744
Look at eva that had about 25 episodes and even still had filler in almost every episode and even an episode or 2 that could have been axed entirely. Evangelion fucking dragged at times. If something can be boring in less than 26 episodes it’s not rushed

Starting Witch from Mercury right now, it better not drag on a single time in 24 episodes, or I'm going to call all the ones that advocate for 50 episodes retarded

>>23346513 (OP)
Ignoring a bunch of the shitty logic here, I wish 3 cour shows were more common. I think a lot of shows don't need to be 50 episodes but could still use more time than 24.

>>23347967
Nigga it's a shit show. It's gonna be shit whether it's 6 episodes, 12 episodes, or 100 hundred(that's 100 a hundred times) episodes. Bad shows are bad regardless of how long they are. Good shows are good regardless of how long they are. Length has nothing to do with quality and you are a retard to think it does.

>>23346513 (OP)
I agree. I don't think there was anything wrong with Gqx's length. Pacing matters more than length and Gundam has been much more likely to drag than use extra time wisely.

>>23346805
But I like to read. Reading is engaging and keeps you doing something. Watching something bad or just flat out boring that goes on and on is the problem, I've actually fallen sleep watching a few episodes of some series.

>>23350502
For me that was the half way or three quarters area of evangelion. Somewhere around the 1/3rd mark of gundam wing. Various parts of the first gundam cartoon. Not once in a gundam OVA.

>>23346544
Fucking deux-schizo, you are the worst.

>>23346700
They do so by mostly consuming the weekly manga and the tankoban collections. The Anime in that case is functioning as a commercial for the manga rather than being the primary consumption method.

>>23347820
I'd argue Eva's use of its 25 episodes was fine, I don't feel like the collapse during the last few angels could have worked if the first angels didn't reach a point of being practically episodic at the end. Eva needed its downtime for the collapse to work.

>>23346805
Every statistic needs to be broken down by race when discussing the USA, or else it's practically useless. White Americans commit gun violence at about the same rate per capita as Danes, if I remember correctly, but brownoids make the overall numbers skyrocket in comparison.

>>23346700
>>23351084
A lot of zoomers started watching One Piece during the COVID confinement. I don't think I could endure it even with all the time in the world, even One Pace was too much. I just read the colored manga and switched to see how the anime did a couple of cool scenes

>>23346513 (OP)
I agree that 50 episodes always feels too long. That does not forgive shows nowadays being only 12 episodes and trying to tell a massive story. I want to see my characters interact with the world and other characters, not see them speedrun through the story and be forgotten in the rush. Shows that got cancelled mid run like the original Gundam or Macross I find to be the perfect length. 30-40 episodes seems like the sweetspot to tell a full story without going overboard.