Please excuse my grammar. I'm from Poland and I learned english mostly by myself from anime, movies and games.

Is the anime industry's creatively bankrupt? I'm in my late 30s. When I watched Evangelion in circa 2000 it felt so fresh. I never seen anything like it. Before that I watched Daimos, Yattaman, Tiger Mask, Captain Tsubasa and Sailor Moon.

Rebuilds were a big letdown for me. I liked 2nd movie cause it moved in different direction and Beast Mode was probably the last time I got excited watching anime. I really don't like what they did with 3rd and 4th movie.

I know that Hideaki Anno got most of his ideas from other old mecha anime and I started to wonder if this is what older generation felt when they watched Evangelion in 1997? Maybe they felt the same way I do now after watching GQuuuuuX? Someone just took everything that was good from UC, added some Eva tropes on top of it and huge Gundam which reminded me of Macross.

Original Evangelion felt honest and GQ is just rehashing every possible cool thing. I don't like it the same way I didn't like Provisional Unit going berserk. What's the point? Unit 01 and 02 were special cause the pilots' mothers were absorbed into Evangelions. It's like the writers don't care anymore. They just copy another cool looking thing to their series, cause they can't think of anything new. There was a reason why Eva 01 shielded Shinji in first episode. Why would Fred resonate with Nyaan?

I ranted a little bit but I wanted to ask some anons who watched a ton of older show, cause I only watched Original Gundam and Zeta - How did you guys feel about original Evangelion TV series? Did it feel like a rehash of ideas or was it just good and felt coherent and honest. I feel like there is some magic in Char and Challia stories but I didn't like newcomers.

I said this in another thread but I'll just say it again here. SSRIs are popped like candy and it seems like everyone uses them. They stifle creativity and emotional investment. This is why everything seems to suck and appears overly formulaic or repetitive. For numbed brains, by numbed brains, and they don't realize it's even happening to them.

>How did you guys feel about original Evangelion TV series? Did it feel like a rehash of ideas or was it just good and felt coherent and honest.
No, it was just a rehash of ideas. There is not a single original idea in Evangelion, once you watch more mecha anime you'll realise that nothing about Evangelion is remotely creative or unique. For example, the whole of End of Evangelion is basically a worse version of Ideon Be Invoked. But even down to direction, it's unoriginal. The whole world getting destroyed to upbeat music bullshit was taken directly from Megazone Part II, and the world turning red from LCL visually was taken from Birth.
For me it totally detracts from the experience. Anime is a visual medium, so even a derivative story can be fine with creative visuals, but Anno couldn't even achieve that. I also enjoy seeing what creative minds envision the future to be like, but again Anno basically just copied everything so there's no fantastic insight or creative vision of the future.

The Gundam said:
"Nostalgiawank is good"

>>23348056 (OP)
>Another retard bringing Hideaki Anno
He is not in charge of the anime, he wrote 2 and a half episodes and didn't choose the direction of the show. So stop parroting what other said and start thinking on your own.

>>23348056 (OP)
Yeah man, we need to bring in more women and minorities, amirite?
Gotta get some diversity in here, the Japs need to be more like us Westerners

>>23348178
Are you fucking stupid? That's not even close to what he said. Get the fuck out and never return. New ideas doesn't mean forced diversity, it just means not fucking blatantly doing the same shit over and over again. GQX is nostalgia bait to the highest power and it will certainly be forgotten in a year and a half.

>>23348154
Who cares? I’m pretty sure Shakespeare took all his plays from older stories but he’s still the goat. It’s not what you do but how you do it.

>>23348339
Evangelion and FLCL were just flashed in the pan. If you watch GQX and reevalute those former 2 shows it becomes ever more possible that this school of anime staff never had any talent and only created works of acclaim through sheer luck

>>23348355
Yeah I agree with you on that. GQX was poorly executed. Honestly the only other khara anime I’ve seen has been the rebuilds which also sucked so I’m guessing these people just lost the ability to tell good stories.

>>23348056 (OP)
Same with TV. 1670 was the last arguably food TV show.

I said it in the other thread but I think the guy who created evangelion needs a team of people to keep him in line, a tard wrangler, or someone to keep him grounded in reality. To tell him no sometimes because something is stupid. I wonder if there is any behind the scene stuff with any real documentation of what the creative process was making evangelion tv episodes versus the rebuilds film. I wonder if the tv version was more of a team effort with team voting and I’m wondering if the rebuilds were mainly just yes men telling the legendary evangelion creator yes every idea was brilliant. I’m sure he’s a nice guy and stuff I’m just purely talking about the impression I get from his works just getting worse over time with experience instead of getting better. Perhaps he just lost he touch. I don’t know.

You know that sense you get where you aren’t in pain but you just get this sense youre going to have diarrhea? No sound or stomach growling either. Just a sense. Is that a newtype ability? Does it feel like that when they sense danger?

>>23348924
>a tard wrangler
There was Takeshi Honda, but he got told to fuck off by Anno before the production on 4.0 started.

>>23348056 (OP)
Japan is a creatively bankrupt country, they havent had any new ideas for decades now while the west completely runs circles around them in telling new stories.

>>23348056 (OP)
i'm 33 Arab and I agree with you.
this shit show is just "Dude, remember this? Remember that?" with lots of magic moments that makes no sense.
anime is dead after 2007

>>23348927
Sounds like an unconscious knowledge your body learned from past diarrhea, even if consciously you don't know what's the cause

>>23348952
>2007
I wouldn't be so harsh. It's more like 2016, when the isekaicrap infestation really hit.

>>23348056 (OP)
Evangelion is like a mixture of ideas that originate in other sci-fi and anime stories, but Eva stumbles upon something great in how it uses very good imagery juxtaposed against its narration to self-consciously prod at the viewer and for deeper purpose. Eva is very self-referential but it often too has well done scenes that work purely in their own right and its visual storytelling and use of sound is very stand out amongst anime as a whole, e.g, the use of the sound of Eva's control switch to punctuate the title card transition of episode 3, "The Silent Phone", which also culminates in the episode's ending. If someone says Eva is a "deconstruction", politely ignore them. While it does at times turn a cliche on its head through jarring imagery, reframing of past scenes, and use genre tropes in a creative way (the teacher's narration of the Second Impact and its aftermath as there's a panning shot of an empty classroom that eventually transitions into Shinji revealing his identity as a pilot and the kids circling around him, asking him about the mech's ultimate attack and such in ep 3), it also subsists on conventions and absolute cliches. Its character writing leaves a lot to be desired in moments as well. I don't know about feeling "honest", but it felt genuinely experimental. Overall, the show has plenty of flaws, but it's good and possibly the best anime tv series.

Rebuild is like an amplification of the original series problems by 1000 and had no reason to be made outside of money. Genuinely garbage (particularly movies 2 and 4) and uninspired. I apparently haven't watched a really good anime released after Ping Pong came out. GQuuux itself never felt like it was interested in telling a story about humans.

>>23348355
I really like Kare Kano. Too bad what happened during production.

>>23348056 (OP)
It's the state the world is in. Everyone wants the world to DIE, but it just doesn't. We're living in the hell before the collapse. People subconsciously make everything shit because they don't care what happens.
But the horrible truth of society is that if there is nothing good, people just pick the lowest filth that exists and decide they like it. The bar just lowers.

>>23348056 (OP)
So this show was created by oldfags to give CharXLalah fans their last fun time with Gundam by creating a fanfiiction that gave Lalah and Char a good end. That is the only purpose of this show.

The best analogy is the explanation by this guy:
https://x.com/sakaima/status/1937819330882019732

"It's like a doujin story you would find at Comiket, but officially commissioned by Sunrise and that it neither adds to the original story or takes away from it. Just a great fan's work."


Take a look at this tweeet, the guy's mom who grew up with Mobile Suit Gundam was so extremely happy about seeing Lalah live or this other guy was 63 and is reminiscing about his friends' that grew up with Gundam are all dead now.

https://x.com/kayabukiyane782/status/1937720532025377169

https://x.com/keiichisennsei/status/1937542874234781891
If Lalah/Char dynamic wasn't something that was important in your viewing experience of Gundam it greatly impacts how much it affects your enjoyment of the show. I want to say almost 90% of the positive comments in Japan are about Lalah Good End and almost no one is talking about good story or good original characters.

>>23349599
New cope fresh out the oven.

>>23349602
it's not a cope. japanese reaction is overwhelmingly positive. But it's positive not because they think the show is good, but they like that the show gives them emotional feels.

>>23349599
>>23349608
Jap boomers can't croak quick enough

>>23349599
Wouldn't be bad if the entire show had been about this. But it just comes out of left field at the end while everything else in it ends up being irrelevant.

>>23349599
Is this really that big of a deal? Like Chewie not getting a medal in the original Star Wars?

>>23349608
That's just cherry picking.

>>23349636
Not cherry picked. Of the reactions out there that are positive look at how many are about Lalah, Chalia Bull, Char,Good End, and almost nothing is about the structural aspects of the show being good because of pacing or cohesive script or the new characters. Most of Japan likes GQX because it gave them feels and the amount of commentary about the show giving feels greatly outweighs people liking the show as an anime or the actual legittmate criticisms out there.

>>23349631
No it's the equivalent of Ben Kenobi surviving and getting Isekai'd to a world where Anakin didn't go to the Dark Side.

>>23349636
Nobody cares about the new characters past waifufags.

>>23349651
Holy meltdowns batman, is this the latest cope by the antis?

>>23348924

As far as Gquuuuux goes, Anno only wrote the OYW backstory episodes here 2, and parts of 7 and 8. You're actually looking at the reverse in this situation. The support staff from Eva taking frontline (Kazuya Tsurumaki, who handled animation and some setting materials, and Yoji Enokido, who was a script writer but under Anno's direction), while Anno's role was relatively minor, rather than this being a case of Anno unleashed.

>>23349608
So it's a nostalgiawank show. Why did they need to introduce new characters again? Their target audience are clearly oldfags who watched 0079 when they were young.

>>23349699
Is your brain so full of shit that you get overwhelmed by a few new characters?

>>23349699
Banrise probably required some new characters to greenlight the project so they can appeal to a younger and more diverse fanbase. Seems like Khara just used these characters as a vehicle to move the plot of their char and lalah fanfic. Which is why Shuji has like less than 10 lines, Nyaan doesn’t have much development either, and Machu never grows as a character.

>>23349816
Machu "almost" grows.
She sees the side 6 favelas being torn down and tries to stop them, but that's pretty much the last time she interacts with the world. She goes to Cabas House and sees how it's being used by military officers throwing around their wealth, but merely observes and the brothel getting burnt down has barely anything to do with her. Even when it comes to the main plot she has awkward moments like the scene where she destroys the limiter to the omega psycommu with Challia's suicide gun and you can tell it's supposed to be a pivotal moment for her character because she has to hype herself up and starts screaming but all that does is let her pull a cable out of the elmeth. By the point at which Char and Kycillia are having their theatre reunion she's essentially a gag character only in the plot out of obligation from the writers

>>23349860
>By the point at which Char and Kycillia are having their theatre reunion she's essentially a gag character only in the plot out of obligation from the writers
Well put.

>>23348056 (OP)
evangelion is ultimately a deconstructionalist piece, you have to remember that when watching it- I don't generally recommend it as someone's first mecha anime because it's easy to appreciate it more when you see the tropes it uses and how they are turned on their head.

Evangelion basically follows your typical gundam type of story but it wipes away the glamour of it all and tries to root it in a different sort of reality.

Gundam always had a child protagonist, offscreen parents and usually some loose reasoning for why only that specific child could pilot that robot. And they do so as this avenging sword of justice and emerging from battle triumphant and stronger for it.

In evangelion Shinji doesnt really believe in himself or his cause, he's always struggling for his dads love and a lot of the time it feels like he exits the cockpit with less of himself than he started with.

Eva is iconic because there is nothing else in the genre that really comes close- every mecha fan has some sort of opinion on it.

IBO kind of plays with similar themes- because these orphans are strapped into archaic pieces of technology after undergoing a surgery that mutilates them and cripples most if you're looking for another series that takes gundam in a different direction.

GQX is really nice, It rides the line nicely between nostalgia and creating a new story itself built atop the nostalgia. The people who hate it are just too online and allergic to fun.