I still don't get Asticassia. I get that it's a technical/vocational school and not a military academy, but why were the pilot students being taught combat if they're just gonna work as test pilots or instructors? Is it a useful skill for test pilots?

>>23351451 (OP)
>Is it a useful skill for test pilots?
What do you think? Would a manufacturer rather hire a pilot who knows combat or doesn't know any combat?

The setting wasn't all that well thought.

>>23351451 (OP)
That and Benerit has it's own private military/security force, Dominicus the group Kenanji is a part of and Guel mentions wanting to join. It's the people fighting the Dawn of Fold in 15. Those are what pilot training is for.

>>23351451 (OP)
>but why were the pilot students being taught combat if they're just gonna work as test pilots or instructors? Is it a useful skill for test pilots?
Don't you think its a retarded question to ask if knowing basic combat is good for TEST pilots? Even if they do not go into that field it's still good knowledge to have

Knowledge of the use case is desirable, but then again that's why the usual track for test piloting is that you start as a trained pilot then pivot into test piloting, rather than start at test piloting from the getgo.

>>23351537
This. It's pretty obvious that skill in combat immediately looks better on your CV than just learning the basics of piloting, even if it's just for training civilian workers. Having read the Mechanic and World book (with MTL), the pilots also learn to use mobile workers (or mobile craft in this setting) and it's like over half of their course modules. The piloting course is basically intended to give them basic skills in all areas, and then find out what they want to do. That's why there's a random scene of Chuchu cutting a steel pipe with Demi Trainer in episode 8, and why Suletta goes to lectures on random-seeming space technology. Some kids might go to work as military MS test pilots and military instructors, while others will go on to work at industrial projects like space colony construction.

>>23351484
I think the setting was pretty well thought out, but it's just left mostly unexplained in the show proper. A lot of things make more sense after reading the few secondary sources that explain stuff. But yeah, it's kinda bad worldbuilding.

>>23351532
Dominicus isn't actually part of Benerit, it's a force under Cathedra. The ones fighting Fold in 15 are Benerit's own armed force, which seems to be rather small and just mostly act as security. Kenanji specifically complains to Rajan in the episode that they're not being called to go after the terrorists, despite Gundam hunting being their job. Delling was just the head of Cathedra, which is why the two seemed to be connected, but Dominicus actually directly answers to Mobile Suit Council, which we saw in the prologue. Rajan is just particularly loyal to Delling's family, so he stayed, and Kenanji generally just wanted to help, which is why they're around in the final battle.

>>23351616
>Dominicus actually directly answers to Mobile Suit Council,
Well in reality that basically became Benerit.

>>23351532
>Those are what pilot training is for.
I actually don't think that the school's intention is to pump out military pilots, since it kinda doesn't make sense to waste so much resources and knowledge just to have them end up doing nightshifts. Other than Guel, . Then there is also the fact that Benerit's own security is a mess, and seems to not only rely on its own armed forces, but also on a company called Front Management Company, and some of the member corporations own security force. I think it's more likely that those graduates who want to pursue a career in some armed force are more likely to end up as civilian contractors. Ad Stella has loads of different armed forces and security forces, which range from governments in space and Earth to private corporations and armed groups. An Asticassia graduate can pretty easily give good guidance to new pilots, and help them get used to new MS types, just like in real world you have members of weapons manufacturers help in educating soldiers to use those machines.

>>23351621
No, it didn't. They specifically stay out of the fighting when SAL goes after BEnerit, and it's composed of many different conglomerates.

>>23351451 (OP)
If you’re going to be a test pilot you also have to be able to test an MS’ combat capabilities.

>>23351624
>I actually don't think that the school's intention is to pump out military pilots
It is. The school's intention is to pump out people who can make and design them new mobile suits and pilots who can use them.

>>23351732
The school was intended to create workforce for space and mobile suit industry, not for creating soldiers. Sure, Benerit wanted people who could develop new military mobile suits, but the pilot course's intentions wasn't creating soldiers for military. This comes straight from the Mechanic & World book, which mentions that the pilot course was intended to create "high-grade pilots who could take part in development projects and train normal pilots", and half the stuff they learn about is how to use mobile workers. It would be much easier to just educate normal pilots than go through this level of effort. If it was intended to create soldiers, it would mention so.

>>23351732
>The school's intention is to pump out people who can make and design them new mobile suits and pilots who can use them.
This can both be true and still not be about producing specifically military pilots but rather pilots and technical staff who can fill many roles

>>23351537
Why would teenagers have any valuable feedback to give as test pilots with regards to combat? That's fucking retarded. The whole point of a test pilot is to have massive personal experience so you can handle unfamiliar and and untested designs and provide competent feedback on how that performance effects use. Having a bunch of literal kids with no personal experience is literally the worst test pilot you could have.

>>23351828
Are you retarded? They're being trained to fulfil roles such as being test pilots, that's something they do after they graduate.

>>23351828
Test pilots don't need to have a lot of personal experience to be aligible. Think Chris from 0080, who didn't have massive experience but was still chosen as the test pilot for Alex.

>>23351843
And they'd be useless at that for the reasons given. Why the fuck would a company hire some fresh out of school kid to pilot their test and evaluation program over an experienced pilot? Literally no test pilot program ever has used kids just out of school. The entire premise is braindead.

>>23351888
>Literally no test pilot program ever has used kids just out of school
You're fucking wrong, you have no idea how test pilots work

I kinda like the idea that the school exists as a testing ground for pre-production test models because the corps don't wanna pay for experience test pilots and cut a deal with Asticassia.

>>23351883
>test pilots don't need experience
The whole point of a test pilot is to be experienced. Their job description is to use their experience to evaluate and test new/experimental aircraft safely. How is someone with no experience supposed to give useful feedback? How is someone with now experience supposed to know how to handle unfamiliar machines on the edge of their performance envelope?

>>23351888
An Asticassia brochure you see in one episode lists prior piloting experience as a prerequisite to enroll in the school's pilot track, which implies there's widespread training for lower level piloting

>>23351888
>>23351905
Fiction doesn't necessarily follow the rules of real life. Chris, Kou and Keith are all Federation test pilots but have no real combat experience, just like the Asticassia graduates. They do have experience feom piloting, and even first-years like Chuchu control their MS pretty well in duels. Obviously they don't bring everything that a veteran could bring to the table, but they're not a bad option, especially when they've learned ins and outs of the industry. Sure, they'd mosy likely lose in real combat, like Grassley girls against Dominicus, but they still have pretty good skills and could probably take on someone like Chris. Moreover, those companies all pay for that educational institute, so they'd be pretty eager to get a pie.

>>23351905
Test pilots do not require military experience to be hired, they only need flying experience, practical and theoretical training, which they get at the flight schools, physicals fitness requirements, knowledge of aerodynamics and aircraft systems/procedures

>>23351916
Fiction doesn't have to follow real life, but it still has to make sense. Asticassia only makes sense as a kludge to get children into fights since this is a children's show and needs children as main characters. It's as clumsy, juvenile, and vapid as every other super special high school for magical/savant children in fiction.

>>23351917
>they need flying experience
Thank you for agreeing with me.

>>23351958
Flying experience is gained while they're going to flight school retard, now figure out what they're doing at Asticassia.

Suletta after graduating is only one year younger than Christina and older than Kou, you're obtuse if you think there is any real difference

>>23351484
This. The setting was clearly something they pieced together working back from the scenario they wanted.

>>23356299
It is actually well thought out and put together.

>>23356301
Shame it isn't though.

>>23356295
I feel like some of her answers aren't too bad but how is a MS not more difficult to control than a MC?

>>23356302
But it actually is.

>>23356299
That's actually exactly how they constructed it, according to an interview with Okouchi and his assistant in S2 report. They basically made it thinking:
>school
>corporation
>who the corporation sells to

>>23351451 (OP)
show off the companies new shit and get mio preggers with the strongest sperm
also military training is good for building the confidence of the males who will go on to lead companies

>>23360158
Stop necrobumping, the topic has already been discussed.

>>23360201

>>23351451 (OP)
martial pride amongst corporate families I imagine? also having them know those skills is probably beneficial for deciding what projects to green light at the companies

>>23351451 (OP)
As shown in >>23356295, there's also an ideological reason for Benerit having their own pilot training school. It benefits them to have a constant supply of new pilots loyal to the conglomerate and not snitch to the SAL when they're going to break a few laws to develop a new MS.

>>23351451 (OP)
As shown in >>23356295, there's also an ideological reason for Benerit having their own pilot training school. It benefits them to have a constant supply of new pilots loyal to the conglomerate and not defect or snitch to the SAL when they're going to break a few laws.