It seems they can't make their mind up on what happened to Zeon Deikun.
>Degwin was just a good political maneuverer, who took advantage of Deikun's natural illness. Char's anger at him and his family is mostly misplaced and the real tragedy is that what happened to his family wasn't anyone specific's fault and so many people died needlessly from his refusal to accept this.
>Degwin lied, cheated and murdered his way into power and what Char did was a little much, but still reasonably justified. The Zabi's got absolutely everything they deserved.
They seem to flip-flop between the 2 stories. Which one do you prefer?

It was always heavily implied Degwin was behind Zeon Deikun's death, in the original plan for the series he was going to try to meet up with white base to surrender and outright admit it to Sayla. I'm glad they ended up leaving it ambiguous instead but you can pretty much assume he did it just because it's the more narratively interesting option.

Also Char wasn't just mad at the Zabis for his father's death, they also took his political movement and turned it into their own nobility larp and take over Earth so they could have its resources for themselves, which completely goes against what Zeon Deikun wanted.

>>23371418 (OP)
I watched the original for the first time (shocking isn’t it for a fan) and I’m sticking with version 2 which is the original interpretation, zabi’s had it coming

Degwin had good political maneuverability and earned his place as Deikun's successor with little malice or deception while Deikun was still alive, however Char's anger was justified, as Degwin used this position for his and his family's personal gain, instead of putting Deikun's ideologies first.

>>23371418 (OP)
>what Char did was a little much, but still reasonably justified
I mean he just killed Kycilia, that's not much.

If the Zabis never declared war on the Federation but remained in a cold war state (poor relations with the Federation and same military buildup but purely defensive) would char still attempt assassination? Would he be justified?

or would char perform some origin-level bullshit to escalate the situation and cause problems for the zabis?

Deikun was assassinated in "main UC". Secret Rendezvous, penned by Tomino himself, outright says it. In The Origin, it was changed to be a death from natural illness to make the Zabi family less evil and more grey. Although it is implied it could have still been an assassination, just not by the Zabis.

I don't think it was necessary to change it. The Zabis are grey enough. Degwin got in over his head and is a tired and broken old man by the time of the series. He barely cares about his children and Gihren in particular resents him.

>>23371418 (OP)
>Char's anger at him and his family is mostly misplaced

>>23371449
>Secret Rendezvous, penned by Tomino himself, outright says it.

Tomino's novelization is clear that it was Jimba Ral who put the idea of the assassination on young Casval's mind. The Origin just goes along with that idea.
In and of itself, however, that doesn't mean that the Zabis did not do it. Yas is cheeky about the whole thing and leaves it as a mystery, while the series itself leans more heavily into the implied assassination.

He did nothing wrong

>>23371436
he did kill Garma as well

>>23371534
I always thought that he looked like Franco. A decrepit tin pot dictator that got to old for a world that was changing way to quick.

>>23371858
I mean not directly.

>>23371881
He kinda does look like he did in the later stages of his life. Damn I never realized how fucking old he was when he died.

>>23371881
So like Franco he did nothing wrong

>>23371418 (OP)
From watching 0079 through CCA, it seems very clear that Degwin murdered Deikun so as to launch a coup and take control of Side 3. The fact that Degwin then proceeded to murder tons of Deikun's allies in the Zabis' rise to power further indicates this, along with the hyper militarism to create a despotic nation ASAP. Degwin was just as bad as his children, the only difference is that accomplishing something he personally spearheaded made him grow complacent enough to consider backing down once the war against the rest of humanity began backfiring. He was a hypocrite and still wouldn't admit that similarity, not even in private talks with his own children.

>>23372068
it sounds more like you watched origin instead of 0079 through CCA

>>23372069
The Origin tried to make Deikun look like he might have been loony and incidentally killed. MSG 0079 through CCA presents a far better image of him and doesn't beat around the bush when it comes to the Zabis being the prime suspects, if not the only suspects, for killing him. All of their conduct in the immediate aftermath points toward that as well. The pre-cancellation script for 0079 even included Degwin meeting Sayla and personally apologizing for murdering her father.

>>23372071
where in any of the 1980s animation did they even mention murdering deikun's allies? pretty sure that was an origin thing

>>23371418 (OP)
Tomino outright states as a objective the Zabis killed him in Secret Rendezvous.

>>23371418 (OP)
>Degwin is innocent, he's just an old man who wants to fish
>Gihren is the one who orchestrated the poisoning
>Gihren is taking advantage of his father's alzheimer to be the de facto leader of the new state

>*Deg...win... Zabi...*
>What's that, old friend? You want me to have your The Fast and the Furious Criterion Collection?
>*mumble mumble*
>AND than bitchin' new stereo system you just had shipped to your house but haven't installed yet?

I was assumed that Degwin killed Deikun because of his schizoid Newtype theory that would ruined colony independence

>>23372092
they liked him because of his theories. downtrodden people being told they are actually pioneers of a new era of humanity made them feel better about living in space. gihren even elevated it to levels of master race propaganda

>>23371418 (OP)
I actually prefer the first version of events, although it seems very likely the second version is the correct one due to all the scrapped and alternative stories. Degwin might have killed him, but aside from Jimba Ral's fanatical theories, there is no proof about it.

They deserved it either way, what kind of question is this?

>>23371858
He gave Garma bad intel. Is that just borrowing someone else's sword to kill someone? Yes. But Char has never betrayed anyone in his life.

>>23372420
he didn't even give Garma bad intel, he gave him the best intel he had and let Garma kill himself on the White Base

>>23371899
I think setting up the ambush, calling him and saying "Now you're gonna die you fucking imbecile hahahaha" adds a spoonful of 'directly' to the equation

BLAME THIS ON THE MISFORTUNE OF YOUR BIRTH

>>23372097
Yeah, Degwin was a believer of Deikun's theories.

>>23372068
and then he gets killed himself, the cycle he iniated came around