Is Reconguista in G standalone or do I need to see other Gundams before it? I've only seen 0079

>>23383291 (OP)
The story is standalone. Enjoyment is more complete if you've seen other Gundam stories so you can catch some references scattered throughout the show, but is not required for the plot to be understood.

>>23383291 (OP)
>Reconguista
Was this a mistake or made on purpose

>>23383334
intentional

>>23383291 (OP)
It's essentially stand alone
What you see in this webm >>23383323 this is pretty much the extent of the overt references to previous shows.

You could go ahead and watch it with no problem.
But some heads up: the show is very fast paced and has a chaotic energy.
I fell in love with it and have watched the show several times in an effort to get a full understanding of it, but on a first viewing there is a lot of information thrown at you, plot points, characters, factions, fun idiosyncrasies and it can be a lot to keep in your head (this is also incidentally a theme of the show).

There are two other Tomino-directed things that have a similar chaos, which I can recommend if you feel you want a warm up to the style of storytelling.
Char's Counterattack is chronologically the 4th piece of Gundam media released, but functionally it's a sequel to 0079, bringing Char and Amuro's rivalry to a close.
One of the themes of G-Reco is managing people through government and religion to prevent people from repeating tragedies of the U.C. era, and CCA will give some weight to that theme.

Turn A Gundam is, in the official timeline, chronologically after G-Reco. The idea is that all Gundam stories eventually lead to Turn A, which is meant to be the final word.
This will be a weirder recommend, but I will recommend the first Turn A Gundam compilation movie. It's a recap of the first half of a 50 episode show, and it's edited at a breezy pace similar to G-Reco.
The first movie tells an interesting story, but also leaves plenty of stuff out so it won't replace enjoyment of the Turn A show itself. Serves as a teaser for the full show.
Turn A is more in the spirit of G-Reco than Char's Counterattack. Very light.
And while it's technically the "last" Gundam in the official timeline, G-Reco sort of works as a sequel too.
Turn A will introduce you to ideas and themes that G-Reco builds on.

Neither are necessary to watch to enjoy G-Reco

>>23383291 (OP)
Yes! Go watch it now!

>>23383291 (OP)
I'd say at least watch Zeta and CCA. In G-Reco everyone has become a Newtype.

>>23383421
Could have recommended Brain Powerd and King Gainer instead.

>>23383421
It's just bog standard sloppy direction when Tomino is given more control (like OP, Overman King Gainer, etc).
He skims over details and relevant things where it feels disjointed and like scenes are missing, which can make things like character actions seem random. You basically have to ignore those "holes". By the end if you stick with his stuff you can piece a good amount of it together, but many things still feel jarring and missing.

It's almost like he has ADHD and wants to rush through stuff.

>>23383291 (OP)
Go watch Gundam 08th MS Team they are 12 eps of pure kino

>>23383421
Stop lying. Tomino said it’s after Turn A

>>23383291 (OP)
It's standalone and it's a great show BUT it's a VERY Tominoesque show and by that I mean you will enjoy it more if you already know his style by his past works. Otherwise you might it too weird and frenetic.

>>23383788
He said that once and after that said that's up to Bandai to deal with it anyway. Bandai constantly says it's before and Bandai is the owner of the IP.

>>23383291 (OP)
It's bottom 2 worst gundam series ever. Skip it.

>>23383846
Factually accurate, but not what OP was asking

What ended up being the consensus on the movies vis-a-vis the tv series? Are they better and did they fix anything or is the original still better?

>>23383906
They are definitively better than the series, no question. The standout changed scene is the photon torpedo sequence.

>>23383911
That's good to hear, i still need to check em out i guess. I always figured the fact they did 5 movies and not 3 would probably help a lo

>>23383616
Whatever you want to call his style, even if you choose to insult it, I love it. As an artist, Tomino is my hero.
For me it's about what he chooses to focus on, not what's left out, and the effect of the work, not whether it "makes sense" in some gravity-bound way.
Tomino speaks a certain language I feel I understand.

>>23383906
>>23383911
I like the show better, frankly.
There are some excellent sequences of new animation, but the energy of the show is different.

>>23383906
The first 2 or 3 are solid substitutes but after that there are missing scenes in the movies that gives better context to the full story in the TV series. So it's amost like the 0079 trilogy in that aspect.

>>23383949
>the energy of the show is different.
That's the point. It's nice to have a show about how terrible war is where the characters react to deaths and it isn't interrupted by TSUKAME PURAIDO! every 20 minutes.

>>23383843
He MADE it. Coward

>>23383906
It’s a freakish chimera of edits and cuts where for the first three films they take maybe one second from every single scene (with 1 having worse pacing for it, 2 being generally the same, and 3 having one new couple minute scene but losing multiple important ones) to pay for adding an hour to Film 4 that blows your dick off and makes it by far the best of the bunch and worth the project. Then 5 is a big nothing.
They also “clean up” dialogue to make it “easier to follow” but mostly that just means characters sound dumber and entire conversations can be altered because of information they may or may not now have thanks to the cuts and changes. While it’s more complete than the 0079 trilogy, I really can’t say it replaces the show at all. Except movie 4. Movie 4 fucking rules

Anyone saying they’re better than the show is a very sad person

>>23383980
Yea well I just prefer the energy of the show.
>It's nice to have a show about how terrible war is where the characters react to deaths and it isn't interrupted by TSUKAME PURAIDO! every 20 minutes.
I'm going to be honest I think you missed the point if that's what you think the story is.

>>23383980
Anon…did you not watch the show?

>>23384018
I did and I found it jarring how Bellri would just kill people and not react at all, which the films fixed. He kills Dellensen and immediately just goes to bed in the series.

>>23384023
NTA
But this is one of the changes I'm not sure how I feel about.
Bellri's like 15 right? He kills someone without seeing the guy's face/without seeing any gore etc.
I find it believable that a young person wouldn't necessarily register something like that.
Later on in the show he does come to understand what he's doing and basically turns into a pacifist
But that might be an important part of his arc to me: him going from "a terrible child" to an adult

Making him have an emotional breakdown so early might be satisfying for normalfags in the audience who need to be reassured the protagonist they're watching is a "good" person, but when it undercuts his entire arc I question whether it was a good change
And not a concession from Tomino for normals.

>>23384049
NTA but uhhhh
>Later on in the show he does come to understand what he's doing and basically turns into a pacifist
This is Bellri 'Warning Shots are Kill Shots' Zenam we're talking about right?

>>23384059
Refresh my memory, but isn't that with the Photon Torpedos, which are far more powerful than he was expecting?
At any rate
>Bellri 'Warning Shots are Kill Shots' Zenam
is funny, but I also think that energy is true to his character anyway.
Part of his whole thing is getting caught up in the thrill/fun of battles and regretting it.
I also remember him sweating through his spacesuit after having a newtype moment sensing the souls of dying people during a later battle in the show.
And then refusing to kill Mask.
And several moments of him trying to talk other pilots down instead of fighting them.

>>23384076
Don’t feed the troll. He clearly just read the wiki instead of watching

is there any torrent of the tv series on nyaa that's not bloated like whale?

>>23384096
nyaa.si/view/671465 TV
nyaa.si/view/882052 720p BD (OZC)
nyaa.si/view/1805630 1080p BD (hchcsen)

>>23384049
I don't agree. It's completely unfair to make this comparison, but Amuro, Kamille, and Kira stand out as stronger characters in part because they're completely conscious of what it means to take a life from the beginning. They find ways to talk themselves into it, but deal with the strain and pressure it puts on them, each in different ways.
Bellri straight up barely seems to care about killing people early on, and if the characters don't care, why should we? Them adding just a few extra shots of Bellri being in clear distress about killing somebody he personally knew is already a big improvement.
>I also remember him sweating through his spacesuit after having a newtype moment sensing the souls of dying people during a later battle in the show.
Executed far better in the movie with the redone photon torpedo scene. Him reacting harshly to killing Rockpie vs freaking out over accidentally becoming a mass murderer and trying to get rid of the Perfect Pack immediately.

>>23384076
NTA but he doesn't even kill anybody with the photon torpedoes in the original.

>>23384094
Fuck off.

>>23384245
>and if the characters don't care, why should we?
Because you're not the character on screen and have your own sense of self and personal morals!?
Normalfags are terrifying!

>>23384804
You insult people for being "normalfags" but you come across as a psychopath.
In storytelling 101 if people are supposed to care about the character(s) and what happens to them, if the character don't care that's a huge problem.
Of course none of this is surprising since Tomino is extremely bad at storytelling, character motivations, etc. But what is surprising is your psychotic behavior.

>>23385298
>You insult people for being "normalfags" but you come across as a psychopath.
Yes, and?
>In storytelling 101 if people are supposed to care about the character(s) and what happens to them
G-Reco is a cut above "storytelling 101"

>>23385298
You need a show to spell out exactly how you have to feel about something and the other guy's the psychopath?

>>23384804
>Because you're not the character on screen and have your own sense of self and personal morals!?
Yes, which makes Bellri unrelatable, and unlikable. Which is bad. It's what fueled all the people completely baffled by his decision to abandon his friends and family to join up with pirates and then try to kill his former allies.

>>23385303
>G-Reco is a cut above "storytelling 101"
Sure. Which is why it's nearly completely forgotten. It's been a decade and there is still no G-Reco fanbase. The show couldn't even muster 200 ratings on IMDB. The films? None of them broke 50.

>>23385303
>>23385317
>it's literally one guy "defending the show" by talking shit about people
>again
Wow this never gets old anon

>>23385331
>Sure. Which is why it's nearly completely forgotten. It's been a decade and there is still no G-Reco fanbase. The show couldn't even muster 200 ratings on IMDB. The films? None of them broke 50.
Yes, and?

>>23385331
>ayo no one is hyping up bellri on tiktok that must mean the show is shit
Woah..

>>23385341
NTA
But these complaints raised against G-Reco are absolute third world brainlet tier.

>>23385343
It’s not even mediocre storytelling. It’s straight up heinous shit that the director came out and personally apologized for, for good reason.

>>23385349
Pretty sad that you can’t refute such brainless takes and you resort to this basic “you’re so dumb!” trolling. Grow up.

>>23385331
Now that you mention it, what’s even the point? Arguing about a show that’s dead and buried, there’s no new ground to cover here.

Reconguista threads are just depressing, man. I’d rather see CCA or SEED Destiny shitflinging because at least they can talk about the show.

>>23385331
>muh unrelatable, and unlikable, which is bad because IT JUST IS OKAY!
>muh storytelling "rules" derived from hollywood
Westoids are a literary lost cause.

>conflating retarded americans with the rest of the english speaking world
Stop doing that

G Reco is a fascinating show.
I've been thinking about its themes a lot recently after GQ reignited my interest in Gundam, and having read a lot more interesting books recently than I usually do.
You have the G-Self, piloted by Rarayia "falling to Earth" (later in the show Rarayia pilot's the G-Lucifer and I can't help but see a connection). Bellri takes control of it, and it takes him up into space where he learns about his real family and his aristocratic bloodline.
And then he gives it up at the end of the show.
The control of "photon batteries" from Venus "the Morning Star" planet, meaning the complete control of Earth's energy (this is literally electricity in the show, but as the energy control is managed by the Su-Cord church it seems like a metaphor about religion controlling people's access spiritual enlightenment - the justification given being to prevent wars, which is incredibly interesting)

So with the descent of the G-Self you have something like the descent of Bellri's "higher self", "enlightenment" in terms of what's really going on in space, his ancestry, and his role in the drama, and understanding this situation he essentially just chooses to give it up at the end, give up his role as an aristocrat and make a new life for himself.
He could have crushed Luin with the G-Self at the end, but he chose not to.
Bellri seems like a self-insert meant for younger children, and by metaphor it's as if this show is meant to gift children with pride in themselves and in their spirit, a "G-Self" descends to the audience (at least to those innocent enough to receive it)

And this is a very VERY rough summary of my broad strokes "I barely comprehended it" understanding of the show
Which is a little painful because discussion of the show on this level is going to be limited to a very small number of people
At any rate, the show is a beautiful gift. I think the very young and artists will understand it

>>23385355
You really are just dumb actually

>>23385372
All this and you didn’t even touch on him yelling Rayhunton instead of SUcord at the very end

>>23385374
Hitting the character limit.
By all means, write your thoughts if they're interesting
I haven't watched the show or movies in a while and it might be time for a refresher.

>>23385366
>unlikable main characters are good!
And you have the gall to samefag at me too.
>>23385369
>>23385373
You’re a joke. Fuck off.

>>23385379
>uh i can't heckin relate to this character
>and it's not even popping off on the 'tok
>1/10

>>23385366
NTA
You have Google at your fingertips, do some research ffs

>>23385379
You didn't understand the show and you complain about it being difficult to understand
As if you are entitled to understand
If we made media according to your whims, all we'd get is crap for the lowest common denominator.
I may be a joke but (You) are a real laugh riot

>>23385379
>>unlikable main characters are good!
You're judging the merits of a story literally based on muh feelings. Your mind operates purely on maxims and truisms you've heard from some "authority". You should not be allowed to discuss anything related to writing.
>>23385384
>snopes confirmed and fact checked

>>23385384
Name a single good story written with 101 writing tips found on google

>>23385388
Anon was a part of that whole Tomino thing

>>23385388
It's no wonder what quality of the media we're getting when his approach is the status quo dominant thing you are supposed to follow and never ever question.

>>23385391
Again, Google, at your fingertips

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>AI overview

>>23385396
You should google how to be worth talking to

>>23385396
Saar...

>>23385377
I don’t even want to now, this thread is retarded. It’s just one of the most obvious aspects of Bellri’s growth so I was surprised you didn’t bring it up.

>>23385402
It is a difficulty with this show.
It's a genuine masterpiece but with /m/'s cursed spirit infection you're going to have difficulties having any intelligent, much less fun conversation about it.

>>23385400
Well at least there’s one question none of us need to bother searching up

>23385405
Didn't read LOL

>>23385404
I recommend checking out Japanese sites like you haven’t. You can find a lot of analysis and good faith discussion, at least to read.

>>23385410
*if you haven’t
Even unexpected places like the srw wiki has a lot of breakdowns of various lines, theories, and the like.

>>23385410
Maybe I should.
Although I should probably learn Japanese at this point as a priority.

>>23385413
Do it. It's surreal to see how low tier the average discussions in English are after learning Japanese. Probably the only way to increase English discussion levels too is if more people know Japanese.

>>23383421
can't tell if this is a bot or a third worlder

>>23385436
You need to radiate a better energy

>thread gets detailed by same old bs.
don't waste your time, just say stick to a/z and move on.

>>23385524
derailed*

Still filters a lot even after 10 years lol

>>23383291 (OP)
Standalone.

>>23383291 (OP)
why does it filter people so hard?

>>23392121
Having ZERO, utterly no exposition at all in the entire show is kind of revolutionary.

>>23392121
Too many factions, Tomino dialogue where a character is asked a question and then talks about something unrelated

>>23392121
They have been programmed to not like something that's different.

>>23392875
>character asks a question then talks about something unrelated
I work with people like this

>>23383291 (OP)
Standalone! Watch it now!

>>23394972
That’s great
Doesn’t work in a story

>>23396950
Because you're too dumb to follow it?

>>23396973
Isn't G-Reco rated worse than G-Saviour

>>23396973

Bell should have went Gainer ending with Noredo and Raraiya

Does this guy think posting Google AI shit is actually some gotcha

>>23383291 (OP)
Greco is stand alone but I group all these Tomino anime together.

>Brain Powerd
>Turn A Gundam
>King Gainer
>Greconguista

Turn A was meant to be seen as non Gundam at one point early on Greco wasnt going to be Gundam early on at all. Brain Powerd led directly to Tomino feeling like he could return to Gundam and shares a lot if people like Yoko Kanno . King Gainer and Greco are Akiman designs and both reuse ideas from the unmade Turn A sequel

So watching them together works well

>>23398241
Refute it fuckboy

>>23398312
NTA, It refutes itself by being sub 90 IQ.
And exposes you for being an utter retard who lets google think for you.

Just watched the first two episodes and while I like it, this is one of the most dense shows I've seen
Episode 2 alone feels like it had 5 episodes worth of shit happen

>>23398412
Not an argument

Just a reminder that you can report trolling and extremely low quality posts.

>>23398814
You won’t

I will neither confirm nor deny reporting any low quality posts in the thread
But I will recommend others do so.

>>23392121
>stick to AZ faggot
lol I miss greco threads