>states its after UC
>uses UC designs, terminology, technology and locations exclusive
>characters in the show say it’s after UC
HURR AFTER TURN A

>>23394743 (OP)
I agree, but to play devil's advocate, the Moonlight Butterfly.

>>23394743 (OP)
You can be after UC AND TURN A

>>23394745
Tell me exactly what it does except glow

>>23394758
I can't, even Tomino probably doesn't know, he just says specifically that it's a 'useful technology' so it was passed down.
Which seems so at odds with Turn A that I think it should probably be thrown out entirely.

>Turn A: "Universal Century was about 10,000 years ago"
>G-Reco: "Universal Century was less than 2,000 years ago"
>Tomino: "Regild Century is about 500 years after Correct Century"
Frankly I'm shocked that Sunrise has straight up said he's wrong.

>>23394745
Isn't there some stupid timeline chart that states even Turn A is after Turn A.
I think Tomino just lost the plot when he stopped being depressed and openly sexist.

>>23394777
I don't think I've seen that one. As far as I know, the official setting is that Turn A follows everything that isn't based around Gunpla.

>>23394777
Your stupid. It was the Turn A movie on timeline (earth light)

>>23394745
I never understood how people thought that was evidence pointing to 'before' or 'after', considering it could just be the WIP Moonlight Butterfly OR a toned down version of it.

>>23394777
Don't worry about it. Unicorn just fucks with the space time continuum sometimes out of boredom

>>23394773
They don't have to, it's literally from an off-the-cuff interview.
They keep referencing Turn A being after G-reco regardless.

>>23394866
But MLB came from outside the solar system retard

>>23394874
Forgot image.

>>23394877
source?

>>23394877
Idk what point you're making here because I thought the point was that it drifted out of the solar system, then back in

But that reminds me, I followed an anon's advice to look at Japanese sites for discussion about G-Reco, and I saw a theory that the mutations going on at Venus Globe might be distantly connected to the 'monster' that shows up in Turn A Wind of the Moon, that is suggested to be possibly the end state of a human that has lived in deep space for too long.

>>23394877
Turn X was from outside the solar system. It still needs a history of development originating from mankind regardless.

I dont really get hung up on timelines but someone posted a lot of really cool info from proposed sequels to Turn A and how Greco, MS A New Dawn and King Gainer all reused ideas from it. So I dunno makes sense Greco is post Turn A to me.

https://tsukinomayu.com/2024/04/09/the-legacies-of-the-turn-a-gundam-sequels-that-never-came-to-fruition/

It's not like every single Gundam existing together even makes sense anyways.

Did I imagine the "original Universal Century" line in Turn A when they're looking at the Dark History stuff? As in, "there's been more than one and the name gets re-used either during or after the fact" and so frankly you're all thinking too hard about it.

>>23395028
Yes

>>23395028
I hate to bring this up but it reminds me of the Zelda Timeline now. Where everything got shifted 10,000 years in the future so they can shrug any inconsistency off by saying nothing was recorded accurately.

Turn A is similar. Its history I dont gotta explain shit. All you need to know is there was a long and bloody history of cycles of war just like real life.

This is a good article about it too

https://tsukinomayu.com/2024/03/02/an-analysis-of-the-dark-history-and-correct-century-timeline/

Chronogically, it's this:
>Turn A (1999) -> King Gainer (2002) -> G-Reco (2014)
So yeah, G-Reco is after Turn A and so is G-Reco. The King Gainer people in SIberia and Europe (Galia/Gondwan) did not know they were from the UC.

>>23395067
I consider Brain Powerd like the spiritual prequel to Turn A. But it cant really literally sadly.

>>23394743 (OP)
Turn A does the same thing. UC designs, UC terminology, and after they learn about Black History even the character outright call the Black History "Universal Century." The difference is Venus Globe has the tech to move planets and the Moon Race doesn't, so the advanced tech advantage goes to G-Reco.

>>23394890
He made it up. Moonlight Butterfly was unique to the Turn A. Both the official website and databooks say the Turn X copied it from the Turn A by stealing data and cite one of the later episodes when the Turn X catches the Turn A in its all range attack.

>>23395118
That’s totally false, wtf are you on about

>>23394866
If it's a WIP Moonlight butterfly then Turn X is running around somewhere in the setting, if its a toned down MB then that means G Reco takes place during CC at some point in time since the point of the blueprints is that they're using old tech

>>23395118
>one of the later episodes when the Turn X catches the Turn A in its all range attack.
Are you talking about when Joseph is being pinned in place by the Turn X bodyparts physically touching the Turn A and he's getting electrocuted while Gym is casually talking to him and looking at the monitor readouts?

Oh yeah I forgot about this thing.

>>23395310
The RX-78 manual? Probably meant to be an easter egg more than an actually recurring thing throughout time

Gundam Perfect File volume 99 page 24
>黒歴史末期、 ∀ガン ダムが地球の文明を消滅させたのは、 「月光蝶」 の機能による。 ターンXは本来「月光蝶」 を発現できないようだが、 C.C.2345に ∀ガンダムの情報を読み取った際に、 能力を得たと思われる。
>At the end of Dark History, Turn A Gundam wiped out Earth's civilization thanks to the power of the "Moonlight Butterfly." Turn X is not originally capable of manifesting the "Moonlight Butterfly," but it is believed that he gained the ability when he read information about Turn A Gundam in C.C.2345.

It's odd though, because we already know the Turn A and Turn X have previously fought each other up close (Turn A is responsible for carving the asymmetrical chest scars into the Turn X's body that were "too deep to repair") so there would have been previous chances for the Turn X to learn the moonlight butterfly from the Turn A. Also, the Turn X already has nanomachine capability since it's capable of self-repair the same way the Turn A repairs itself.

>>23395324
This is why you don't really take much stock in those books, they literally have to make things up to keep things interesting

>>23395310
Unrelated but God the art looks so amazing!

>>23395116
Except there’s big ass images and technology from OTHER Gundam series plastered all over the Dark History when Reco explicitly has nothing but UC and only UC.

>>23395586
One of the elite space families deleted the data and information about the other timelines.

>>23395611
And instructed everyone in the setting to only mention UC and just UC?

>>23395612
Yes. History can be altered just like in real life.

>>23395586
You know that everything from the Rose of Hermes, aka everything from the show, are replicas and chimeras of older suits right? The Rose of Hermes is database of preserved tech from the previous civilization. Everything in it is ancient technology. So go ahead and tell me where in "UC" we see Moonlight Butterflies, Photon Energy, Photon Torpedos, and fucking stasis beams.

>>23395705
Sure, in the other thousands of years between this and UC they explicitly mention.
Show me where the GN Particles, Mobile Trace, Satellite Cannons and Zero System is then. Wait hold on. Wait wait. You fucking can’t? Wild!

Tomino is right about Gundam fans.

>>23395329
It's not made up though. It's part of Sunrise's official mecha profile.

https://www.turn-a-gundam.net/mobilesuit/26.html
>A machine shrouded in many mysteries, excavated from the Mountain Cycle of the moon.
>The "X" on its chest is not a marking, but a scratch that has been there since the time of excavation, and cannot be repaired with current technology. It has the same turn system as the ∀ Gundam, and is either a sibling machine or a surveillance machine for ∀.
>By incorporating the data of ∀, it is also possible to use its ultimate weapon, the "Moonlight Butterfly".
>It is believed that it was originally made for people who were once called Newtypes, and its full capabilities are not fully utilized in the Earth sphere of ∀, where Newtypes do not exist.
>However, even when piloted by a normal human, Ginganamu, it exerts a power that overwhelms ∀, which shows its high performance.
>The "X" in its name comes from "one whose path was bent by the 10th (X) star". It is possible that it was made outside the solar system, and data on its "dark history" is recorded.
>It can be separated into nine parts, and each part can launch an all-range attack with its built-in weapon.

>By incorporating the data of ∀, it is also possible to use its ultimate weapon, the "Moonlight Butterfly".

>>23395708
>Sure, in the other thousands of years between this and UC they explicitly mention.
Then show it to us retard

>>23395708
>GN Particles
>The flywheel system is a system of funnels that spin throughout the GN Drive. They absorb the photons within the GN drive power plant by spinning the funnels inwards and spewing GN Particles through the vent of the GN Drive outward. Thus creating a high propulsion system.
Yeah man, I wonder what the photon energy is.

Tomino is SO right about Gundam fans.

>>23395719
That they smell?

>>23395324
>>23395712
I’m aware of this
The fact is that it isn’t able to use the Moonlight Butterfly in the show until it downloaded data from the Turn A
That doesn’t mean it was never intended to use the MLB

>>23395708
>Show me where the GN Particles,
ENTER

Probably not intended to be but looks a lot like it

>>23395712
That's not the same information however
one is saying it specifically gained that ability during the show, which would be strange as they already clashed while the other states it gained that data from Turn A which is a more general statement that could apply prior to the show where that data could have been gained

>>23395708
Not to be pedantic but the Mahiroo supposedly has an optional mobile trace system.

>>23395792
He’s asking about in G-Reco

>>23394743 (OP)
>>23395116
Both Turn A Gundam and Reconguista are confirmed to be AUs and non-canon to UC.

Why would the man that didn't want anything to do with UC would want to make sequels for it?

I rewatched Reco recently and I realised that it seriously doesn’t matter where it’s placed in the timeline or whatnot. The Dark History in Turn A was left deliberately vague as to how it even works because the how-and-why wasn’t the point. The thematic stakes were the main focus. How did all these timelines coalesce? How long was the Dark History? Is it linear or not? It doesn’t matter. It’s the same thing with G-Reco. Who cares when it takes place when the main message is that humanity will inevitably start to drift back towards war and fighting and it’s up to the youths of the day to put a stop to that so we can continue to live in peace? The people arguing over this are missing the point. There’s never going to be a clear answer because the show itself and Tomino’s own words are incompatible. Just accept it, move on and focus on the actual important parts of what each show is trying to tell you.

>>23395853
>focus on the actual important parts of what each show is trying to tell you.
That it's okay to kill people as long as you're genki about it?

>>23395870
Yes. Also fuck your sister

>>23395313
I might be wrong but he's reading it in a way that makes it a Turn A symbol on the cover.

>>23395853
>put a stop to that so we can continue to live in peace? The people arguing over this are missing the point. There’s never going to be a clear answer because the show itself and Tomino’s own words are incompatible. Just accept it, move on and focus on the actual important parts of what each show is trying to tell you.

I blame decades of capeshit comics rotting people's brains here with retarded shit like crisis on infinite earths

>>23394758
Molecular to possible even atomic breakdown of technology of a manufactured or non-natural means reducing component structures to pre created states. In short, a true Disassembler.
>>23394877
Created to deal with a OOCP that those who left the Sol system assumed would be out there but based on the background of the Turn X floating into the system, assumed as a GRUNT level MS, said problem was even beyond the context that they ran into. Hence the reason none returned.

>>23395853
In terms of plot sure but world building stuff like the kuntala makes no sense if UC isn't recent history

>>23396565
You fucking retard.

The plot of Turn A is all about fucking food, if it was just a space to land it, they could land anywhere but that was the sunbelt to produce more food for their citzens.

Food was a problem in late UC, Turn A and not a problem in G-Reco, because they got their shit together via SU-Cordism and Ag-Tech taboo

>>23396738
So...are the kuntala kosher?

>>23396738
>Problems can't be solved then arise again due to various changes

god, you are dumb

>>23394758
>>23394766
It preserves technology and rejuvenates the soil. G-Reco just makes sense as a post-CC timeline. The moonniggers had a little civil war and moved everything important to Venus globe to get away from the bald guy and put a taboo on Earth because the earthnoid monkeys kept digging up shit preserved by the nanomachines to wage war, proving Gym was right.

>>23396738
>>23396785
You're literally just making shit up.

>>23396738
>The plot of Turn A is all about fucking food, if it was just a space to land it, they could land anywhere but that was the sunbelt to produce more food for their citzens.
That’s not accurate
They just chose that land in particular because that’s the ethnic origin of most of the Moonrace

>>23396828
neither you nor >>23396738 have a source, do you?

>>23394743 (OP)
It doesn't matter! Go watch it now!

>>23395024
>It's not like every single Gundam existing together even makes sense anyways.
It doesn't. I've just gone with Turn A takes place after UC and all the other Gundam stuff you see are just easter eggs for fans. It gets way too autistic trying to fit all the timelines together

>>23396875
Not directly, just secondhand
>Dianna is from the "North American Continent Sunbelt" and Kihel is from the "North American Continent Ingressa", so there is a racial connection between Moonrace and Amerians.

>>23394743 (OP)
>>23394773
Cant believe people are still discussing this, its obvious that Tomino was trolling dudes.
If you make clear in your own shows how one is after another and even after that someone comes and ask you which one comes first I would do the same.

>>23397157
/thread

>>23396785
If Moonbut had been used how are there still rusted Zgoks in an open to air cave on the very edge of Jaburo? Checkmate shitass

>>23397157
Nobody asked him, he brought it up himself during an event

>>23397157
He actually details it a little more in his book about working on G-Reco. The Ameria-Gondwan war is based on the cancelled Turn A sequel. Ameria and Gondwan, in Reguild, dug up preserved weapons buried under the mountain cycles and used them to start their war.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Gundam/s/5tD9rF39zv

Truth bomb about G Lucifer

>>23397424
Tomino > some post on that site

>>23395810
Lol citing the Wiki like it's remotely accurate. Congrats on showcasing your utter stupidity.

>>23395810
Separate timelines aren’t a thing in Gundam outside of The Origin, Thunderbolt, GQuuuuuuX, the Gunpla series
SEED is part of the dark history
Do not use Gundam Wiki for anything, at least use the Japanese wikis

can anyone post the Japanese quote from Tomino claiming that G-Reco takes place 500 years after Turn A? I don't trust some redditor's translation

>>23397781
https://char-blog.hatenadiary.org/entry/20160402/1459391839

> 富野 (首を横に振りつつ)いやいや。逆です。ターンエーはG-レコよりも50……500年くらい昔の話です。
>Tomino (shaking his head) No, no. It's the opposite. Turn A takes place 50...500 years before G-Reco.

>>23397809
Thank you. This makes no logical sense but he did direct both shows so what do I know

>>23397826
The world in Turn A isn't a clean slate. The past was just buried under a thin layer, and it's being dug up. Even if they bury the Turns again, they already pulled away the cover and there's no going back. G-Reco is a story about the past spilling out into the open and returning to haunt the world. The stories naturally follow one after the other.

>>23397766
>>23397779
I was just using the pic from the wiki to show how the backstory from Turn A Gundam works.
Both Turn A and Reconguista were fully confirmed to be AUs around last year by Bandai in a japanese-only video showcasing the different series.

>>23395024
>>23396968
I know it's silly, but honestly trying to fit the series made between V and A into one timeline is a fun mental exercise for me. Trying to fit in everything after that is where I start throwing my hat in. Only G-Reco is still worth the effort.

It does suck how with some tweaking series like G-Witch and maybe Iron Blooded could fit in with actual UC, but throwing in weird side shit to that setting is anathema to Bandai.

>>23398197

How do you explain away things like Nether Gundam and Fuunisaki showing up in Turn A as cameos? And the Wing cameo and G Unitsuit in the manga?

I've never played much SRW but I'm looking forward to Y and wonder how they're going go fit all that shit in together or do they even try? I just beat J and G Gundam was literally just there with Seed

>>23398204
Depends on the SRW and how they decide to set the world up, G Gundam is probably going to be paired up with WFM

>>23398204
>I've never played much SRW but I'm looking forward to Y and wonder how they're going go fit all that shit in together or do they even try? I just beat J and G Gundam was literally just there with Seed

Yeah, in SRW the setting generally is just like that from the start, although some recent games have used separate universes for some series and interdimensional travel as part of the plot.

G Gundam in J was especially bad though. They're basically just "there" without being integrated into the setting and just feel off. I have my issues with T's story, but even that attempted to justify the different types of Gundams better. Like T had this whole backstory about the Gundam Fight being created to give people hope and excitement following an era of crisis (when humanity's space exploration came to a sudden end due to Gunbuster's space monsters suddenly appearing from outside of the solar system). There are also no Neo Colonies - Domon represents Japan, not "Neo Japan".

>>23398230
>There are also no Neo Colonies - Domon represents Japan, not "Neo Japan".

It would be so fucking funny to see those colony designs in anything else. Imagine if one day in Turn A or Greco a giant sombrero cactus colony went into Earth's orbit.

>>23398204
I have an idea that as the wars escalate Newtypes migrate out into space in endless cycles, like Judau and his group. From there Moonlight Butterfly events largely cleanse and reset the Earth. X is the ultimate end of/after the UC, the wars got so bad some tech regressed. (Weird how late Crossbone nonsense supports this to some degree.) From there partial and shoddy attempts to restore the Earth lead to G. And their obsessions with Earth's glory days resulted in the odd neofeudal aristocratic Earth in Wing. Something something, maybe a calamity. Moonlight Butterfly, A.

>>23398242
The main issue of them is how things are reinvented yet the names of places remain the same right down to microstates.

And everyone is each time convinced THEY invented the Mobile Suit.

>>23397424
I tried to read this with an open mind but I can't take it seriously after this:

>The entire anime there is zero mention of the Dark History, which was multiple timelines converging. Meaning it clearly hadn't even happened yet. Another example is the Kuntala from G-Reco. They were people once bred and harvested for food. You see in G-Savior that humanity was in a food crisis.


It's like those Simpsons bits where the fans at conventions talk to Xena. Or fucking Galaxy Quest. Where the fans take things way more literally and seriously than the writers ever did. And no one fucking cares about G Savior. Sadly.

It's also just straight up making shit up.

>>23398247
I don't think we have firm details on the first MS in W, G, and X like we do the UC. I could be wrong. But anyway, it could be some combination of reverse engineering scraps, and being inspired off of legends.

>>23398254
Yeah, X and G never mention a first mobile suit. Wing does have the Tallgeese mentioned as the first mobile suit though, and the others created as downgraded models from it.

>>23398248
What is being made up there, sperg-kun. Nobody talks about Dark History and G Saviour WAS about famines

>>23398204
>How do you explain away things like Nether Gundam and Fuunisaki showing up in Turn A as cameos? And the Wing cameo and G Unitsuit in the manga?
They're just easter eggs. The characters only talk about Universal Century after seeing the footage. They see all this footage of different timelines and their take away is "wow this universal century was shitty"

>>23398204
A division needs to be made between what Tomino intended and what ended up in the show. For instance, he didn't care what Gundam Corin flashed back to and left it up to the animators. It's possible, in his head, he doesn't even consider the AU works to be part of the dark history.

>>23396476
OOCP?

>>23394743 (OP)
Kuntalas spreading slander everywhere

>>23395717
is koshiriuku BEAMU

>>23395870
and tkusame praido

>>23394743 (OP)
The truth of the matter is that Tomino didn't really think too deeply on it and simply set it after because there's no particular reason to set it before. He's not trying to tell a story that leads into Turn A, he's trying to tell a new story, so he simply puts it after so he doesn't need to think about any of that.

The reason only UC is mentioned is also similarly simple. In Turn A, Tomino left all the references to previous series up to his team. The script itself still referred to everything as "Universal Century", even when images shown were of different series. Tomino using UC in G-Reco is the same, he uses it as a catch-all term for everything that happened before, including the implication of other series. But because G-Reco isn't about referencing everything in the past like Turn A, he doesn't bother to go as far as adding in all the other stuff.

As far as >>23394773 is concerned, Tomino always changes numbers as convenient. "Turn A is 10,000 years after UC" was changed to 5000 in the movie version.

>>23399383
At the end of the day it's still Tomino's miss as a director for not properly conveying his intent to the staff filling in the blanks

>>23398254
>I don't think we have firm details on the first MS in W

Everything is canon to Turn A. Turn A is non-canon to everything else.
Hold your applause, I insist.