>he filtered thousands
The setting ended up better with him in charge anyway

Literally who

Nagai's self-insert

It would’ve been worse with McGillis in charge right?

>>23400190
McGillis winning and being the main character is the only way IBO could be memorable

>>23400191
McGillis is unironically the best Char clone in the franchise.

>>23400190
Why?

>>23400193
I wouldn't go anywhere near that far, but he's probably the best part of the show. Not that there's much competition besides Kudelia's hair, but still.

>>23398225 (OP)

Rusty is based. Local chocolate man and Martian orphans found dead in a ditch.

>>23398225 (OP)
I didn't even make it far enough for this guy to show up before I dropped it.

>>23400190
Yeah. McGillis is a psychopath who only cares about power. You're talking about a guy who genuinely thought Gaelio was his true friend and then mocked and murdered him. Their entire fight was just McGillis making a fool of Gaelio and laughing at him while toying with him both physically and emotionally.

>>23400258
Gaelio had it coming to be honest, reminder that Macky was the only person that had any issue with himself getting married to a child. Gaelio didn't.

>>23400260
Macky touched almiria's ass in s2

>>23400260
Because it's a political marriage. Doesn't mean they're supposed to fuck the first night. Or even year.

>>23400193
I disagree, he only cared to have a symbol of power, the Bael, he didn't have any plan beyond that.

>>23400282
Char did everything he did because he wanted Lalah to be his mother

>>23400193
Zechs and Macky are the only two I ever really think about super fondly.

>>23400193
Agreed. I love how even though McGillis copied Zechs' shtick of speedrunning Char's character development from 0079 to Zeta to CCA in 50 episodes the writers somehow managed to bamboozle people into believing McGillis's hype before pulling the rug and exposing him as pathetic like CCA Char.

>>23400212
This. Sure as hell Tekkadan weren't the reason you watched the show.

>>23400282
He wanted power for its own sake, that doesn't mean he didn't have a plan or that he was a bad character. You don't need to have complex motivations or a high-minded end game to be a good or memorable character. You just have to be entertaining and grab the audience's attention.

>>23400329
I wouldn't assume that the bamboozle was deliberate, more like they dropped the ball and turned it into a trainwreck and had no other option than to keep running with it.

What happened to Chocolate man's loli wife?

>>23400294
But he also wanted to follow the vision of his father and really cared about humanity's future in his own twisted ways.

>>23400500
>You don't need to have complex motivations or a high-minded end game to be a good or memorable character. You just have to be entertaining and grab the audience's attention.
That's true.

>>23400516
Probably just going on with life like before, only without the threat of arranged marriage. After Rustal took over and reformed the government, there was no reason for the Seven Stars to exist anymore, but it's not like the families would have been stripped of their riches. If anything, it's likely that Gallus became a high-ranking government official because of his experience and connections as the head of one of the Seven Stars families, and Almiria's life wouldn't change at all because her father is still a very rich and powerful man, just not a de-facto world leader.

>>23400258
This is obviously untrue. There were more efficient paths to gaining power that McGillis knowingly did not take

>>23400538
>Almiria's life wouldn't change at all
Yeah I'm sure she took the man she "loved"(?) turning into a full blown maniac and being killed on a grand scale very well and went about the rest of her days normally.

>>23400542
I'm talking about the day-to-day of being pampered by servants. Yeah, obviously she'll be distraught that her fiancée is dead, but she was literally just a child and he was a manipulator. The fact that they used to be engaged will probably be swept under the rug due to Gallus's connections and kept as a historical footnote, and she'll get therapy and grow up. Actual women who were victims of sex trafficking and abusive gaslighting relationships recover from that shit all the time, so it's far from impossible for her.

>>23400555
>he was a manipulator.
He never touched her or mistreated her, he probably just wanted to give her candy.

>>23400538
How do you feel about people constantly saying Rustal was FORCED to make reforms and only did it to save face?

>>23400586
That's what happened though

>>23398225 (OP)
In an other setting against competent protagonist and competent protagonist's allies, he would had lost.

>>23400686
To be fair he only survived due to an asspull.

>>23400684
Lmao no it’s not. Who did he have to make concessions to? He won and nobody knew what actually happened in the battle. He had zero reason to play nice but decided it was the best thing to do.

>>23400695
The power blocks anon.

>>23400690
It would actually be more accurate to say that Tekkadan only survived for most of the series because they always made high-risk high-reward decisions, hoping it would make up for their lack of resources and lack of smart planning, and they only needed to fail once for all of it to fall apart. In this particular instance, they were betting everything on a single Dainsleif shot where everything had to go right (the Hotarubi not getting immediately completely destroyed by the Dainsleif barrage, Shino and the Flauros surviving said barrage intact, the wreckage getting close enough to Rustal's flagship to allow for a shot to be lined up, and the Flauros actually being able to take the shot and land it). Julietta disrupting the shot at the last moment could just as easily have been sheer luck, as she also could have planted her weapon into Flauros before he took the shot if circumstances had been slightly different.

If Tekkadan had been smarter about who they allied with, made safer bets without the goal of becoming King of Mars in the fastest way possible, and lots of other things, they wouldn't have ended up where they did. Which is kind of the point. But the real issue is that the audience is expected to keep rooting for Tekkadan despite all this.

>>23400699
Literally what do they know?

>>23400200
McGillis has no administrative experience.

>>23400702
Nothing Tekkadan did came close to Julieta disrupting Shino's shot, sorry Anon. I cannot think of any other Gundam character who pulled something like that.

Hot take, the only reasonRustal did all of this is because Iok died. Otherwise the miserable system would continue and Iok would be walking down the aisle with Almiria and the broken system would continue because who can contest the dainsleifs without Gundam frames.

>>23400702
Also they should have been just as ruthless as Rustal was, but wasn't. They let their enemies fuck around with them in ways that makes them charge in a way that made them ready to crush

>>23400804
Hot take. Rustal would never have even used the Dainsleif if Iok hadn’t already cracked them open

>>23400804
Gundam Frames are literally nothing special outside of SV

How would Rustal or any of his allies fare in any other Gundam universe?

>>23400834
>drops nukes on earth instead of Neutron Jammers

>>23400516
If IBO gets a sequel, there's a high possibility that she will be the main villain.

>>23400690
Tekkadan only got as far as they did because of asspulls you mean
The amount of plot armor everyone had vs Graze Ein was disgusting

shit on ibo as much as you want.
I just appreciate it for straying away from the gundam formula

>>23402802
That's the tragedy of it, they could have had it all. Completely different from the standard Gundam formula, awesome fucking designs, and more than a few things going for the setting and characters. Then things started unraveling at the end of season 1, and just got worse throughout season 2. It all came about because of decisions from on high, and not because of anything from the studio itself.

>>23402802
>>23402823
I'm just mad that Atra and Kudelia didn't also die

>>23402823
explain

>>23400193
That probably goes to Zechs but Macky is the only other one I remember and he was super entertaining at the end of S1

>>23402823
>Awesome fucking designs
Barbatos is disgusting and a terrible design so I hope you meant something else

>>23398225 (OP)
Rustal would genuinely get bodied put up against any other faction in Gundam history. He very literally only won because he was designed to win the conflict he was put into - nothing about him was uniquely intelligent or clever or powerful, he was just given the specific tools that all the resources of Tekkadan were designed by the writers to have no defense against. Glemy's Neo Zeon wipes him. The Crossbone Vanguard wipes him. Celestial Being wipes him. The Shuffle Alliance wipes him. Suletta and the Earth House wipes him. The AEUG when FUCKING BEECHA led it wipes him.

>>23400191
It honestly would have been more exciting to have had him win then have the ending play put the exact same but with McGillis betraying tekkadan and trying to exterminate them as a relic of the world he is trying to get rid of. It would have been more exciting

>>23402848
That's at odds with the fact that McGillis is jerking off to Tekkadan 24/7 as 1/2 of his characterization

>>23402859
Oh that's fucking easy - just spin it as wanting to eradicate them so that he can enshrine them into history precisely as how he wants them to be remembered. Through the tragedy of their demise he will make sure no one forgets them.

>>23402859
Not really, it makes the betrayal more shocking and thus more entertaining. It also makes Macky more interesting for being more outright sociopathic and would contrast with him making things better after tekkadan gets wiped. Guaranteed is he won and killed tekkadan you'd have people memeing about him every day still, in a positive way

>>23402802
Change for change's sake is worthless.