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Anonymous No.23407389 [Report] >>23407467
Why can't people separate fact from fiction with what happened with Gundam Seed Destiny's production?
Anonymous No.23407392 [Report] >>23407409 >>23407419 >>23407454
Can you provide examples?

I mean it was obvious. Production was so bad that they had to reuse shots from the openings. They literally had almost nothing. Makes me question if they blew out most of their money on their seiyyus and opening songs.
Anonymous No.23407409 [Report] >>23407410 >>23407476
>>23407392
It's possible to make a show with big budget songs and VAs and still have the show be good. For instance, Macross Frontier.

For a big name franchise like Gundam that has access to Bandai's bottomless wallet, producing a dud like Destiny is nothing short of a colossal failure. It was pure mismanagement, plain and simple.
Anonymous No.23407410 [Report] >>23407435
>>23407409
>Bandai's bottomless wallet
Bandai has lots of money, that does not mean they're willing to spend it
Anonymous No.23407419 [Report] >>23407435 >>23407473
>>23407392
>Can you provide examples?
Accusing the director and writer of self-inserting as Jesus and Lacus, saying that Cagalli and Shinn were schtupping the director, that Neo wasn't planned to be Mu from the start, that the show is cloned from Zeta, that Dearka and Miriallia got separated out of spite, that Cagalli was a badass in the original show who got derailed in Destiny...
Anonymous No.23407435 [Report] >>23407456 >>23408079
>>23407410
If there's a place to spend it, it sure as hell is on your flagship product that has worldwide name recognition.

If Gundam of all shows is having production problems despite the amount of money being sunk into it, then perhaps the problem lies with how said money is being spent.

>>23407419
It pretty much is all but confirmed that Morosawa wrote Cagalli out of the show because she suspected or was jealous of Shindo. Shindo pretty much explicitly stated that she would never voice Cagalli ever again because of how she (the VA, not the character) was treated during Destiny.
Anonymous No.23407454 [Report] >>23407457 >>23407464 >>23407465
>>23407392
Found another example. I looked on reddit and heard that they killed off heine cause it was a simple cameo for the singer in destiny instead of plot relevance. Either that or it was expensive to to pay for the singer to voice act and sing for your show.
Anonymous No.23407456 [Report]
>>23407435
Confirmed by who?
Anonymous No.23407457 [Report]
>>23407454
Which probably explains a lot sine the blame on kira for heines death makes no sense. Dude literally died cause he was deaf.
Anonymous No.23407464 [Report] >>23407474 >>23407474
>>23407454
Nvm just checked on another thread. Apparently, the singer couldn't do it because he was super busy.
Anonymous No.23407465 [Report]
>>23407454
>I looked on reddit
The most trustworthy of sources.
>they killed off heine cause it was a simple cameo for the singer in destiny instead of plot relevance.
A toddler could figure out that Heine's whole purpose was to die so TM Revolution, the whole reason his character exists, wouldn't have to be paid for doing him too long.
Anonymous No.23407467 [Report]
>>23407389 (OP)
Because it was such a cluster fuck even the most absurd bullshit sounds plausible.
Anonymous No.23407473 [Report]
>>23407419
>that the show is cloned from Zeta
I mean, yes? The show was the Zeta to Seed's 0079. CE is basically UC for a new generation and there are obvious parallels. Doesn't mean its 1:1 but they are there.
Anonymous No.23407474 [Report]
>>23407464
Dude I know I just stated that slip up.
>>23407464
Anonymous No.23407476 [Report] >>23407892
Because western fans and anti-fans either deliberately make shit up or just choose to believe nonsense because it confirms their biases. This shit is nowhere near as prevalent in the Japanese fanbase - they criticize Fukuda for a lot, but it’s all factual.

>>23407409
Destiny wasn’t even a dud, it was a success just not an earth-shattering event like SEED.
Anonymous No.23407892 [Report] >>23408015
>>23407476
From what I remember Destiny was a techincal success but Bandai/Sunrise weren't happy with it despite it making money because it didn't move the merch they wanted it to and it didn't get the fans to dive into the greater UC stuff. It basically got a lot of people who liked Kira and Lacus but didn't care about Gundam as a franchise.
Anonymous No.23408015 [Report] >>23408037
>>23407892
That's still not the kind of publicity you want for your product. The whole point of a Gundam show (as far as the Bandai execs who own and manage the IP are concerned) has always been to move the merch, though generally the shows have also been pretty good at the same time. If people only care about their perfect dream prince and princess duo and not the rest of the show, then ultimately you're just selling drama CDs and DVD/BlueRays, and not the Gunpla. Witch from Mercury is a failure in much the same sense, all you have are the LGBTQ community fawning over the lesbian couple, and all of the kits except Aerial and Calibarn shelfwarm (particularly Michaelis). Only the show itself was also a failure and nobody's, going to buy the DVDs and BluRays. It could have been worse though, at least they weren't Kyokai Senki levels of failure, relying on Hobby Lobby sloppy seconds to sell the kits to kids and grandmas who have never seen the show.

SEED was a success in that it (alongside Astray) created a newer generation of fans that would watch future Gundam shows for the sake of Gundam. Destiny itself also benefitted from said success obviously, and the combination of the two eventually got us to SEED Freedom, twenty years later. But most of that "generation" who are long-term into Gundam are here because of SEED and not Destiny, and frankly I don't see a new generation happening with WfM, though time may very well prove me wrong.

Which does have me concerned for Gundam's long-term future since the last "popular" AU show we got was 00 from 2007. Of course Unicorn also drew in a lot, but how many long-term fans came in because they enjoyed AGE, or Reconguista, or IBO, or WfM?
Anonymous No.23408037 [Report] >>23412141
>>23408015
>IBO
Blame Mari Okada for wanting to imitate the game of thrones "dark and mature" writing.
Anonymous No.23408079 [Report]
>>23407435
>If Gundam of all shows is having production problems despite the amount of money being sunk into it, then perhaps the problem lies with how said money is being spent.
You have to remember that Bandai had not yet merged with Namco in the mid 2000s and did not have that kind of capital back then.
Anonymous No.23412141 [Report] >>23412147 >>23412824
>>23408037
I blame everyone involved with that trash. EVOL was proof she can do mecha, raildex guy's other works on the other hand I'm not familiar with.
Anonymous No.23412147 [Report]
>>23412141
Stop ban evading.
Anonymous No.23412824 [Report]
>>23412141
>EVOL was proof she can do mecha

that sloppy sequel that killed any future interest in the series?