>Gets btfoed
>Suddenly turns into a good person for 0 reason at all
>"BeSt ReDeMpTiOn EvEr!"

Thanks for yet another Shimmerthread, friend

Yes.

>>42292112
>Backstage pass outfit not included somehow
Weak fan

He's so mad~
It's so sad~
Feels good to be a ShimmerCHAD~

>>42292100 (OP)
>>42292112
shimmer my nuts

>>42292759
Bad character and a whore now

I would never fuck a slut

Women need only a little violence.

Unlike Shartlight and Shitcord who never become good but instead were given a free pass to continue being evil while everyone is inexplicably okay with it for no reason

>>42292122
The pic was drawn before Backstage pass even existed. But yeah, it's my favorite too

>>42292100 (OP)
I think people refer to everything that happened after that as the redemption actually. Which by the standards of the show, felt pretty good.

>>42294263
But if you include that how are schizo hoofniggers supposed to dismiss her entire character?

>>42292100 (OP)
Sunset had to rebuild the entire school entrance by hand. anyone who's ever done any manual labor of this kind, and takes a look at picrel, knows how much work (and costs) had to be spend
on top of that Snips and Snails were participating and knowing them, they did more harm than good

>>42294292
aaaiiiiieeeeeeeee NO ANON you can't actually mention that she faced consequences in the first movie that's not allowed

>>42292100 (OP)
To be fair none of the redemptions in G4 were actually good so in a way Sunset's redemption was above the standard in terms of quality

>>42293915
Comparing it with the worst redemption in the show isnt much of a competition.

>>42294292
>>42294301
>Punishments is the obly part of a redemption

The actual development part of a redemption, you know, the reason why they changed to the good side and thus grown to be a better person, just never happens with her.
Its just like someone flipped a switch cause the writers didnt bother to come up with a reason.

Hell even her personal struggle of not getting invited into the band hinges on bad writing as there is no reason why the mane 6 wouldnt ask her to play with them while hanging around with her 24/7.

For some reason Suntards always ignore the flaws because "she got punished" thinking that alone makes it the gold standard in the industry ignoring every other aspects needed to make it good.
Yet all they ever know in terms of redemptions is in the spectrum of mlp with its below average standards with it.

>>42293915
>Who never became good
Saying starlight didnt became good is a retarded take.
At least they had a reason to change to the good side.
What does sunshart have?
Oh right, she doesnt have a reason and just changed to the good side with 0 explanations why.

>>42294480
she got hit with a magical friendship beam that caused her insular cortex to increase in volume and create more synapses
yes, her redemption is shit. that's why the first movie is shit

>>42294510
Her redemption is the second movie, not the first.

>>42294673
she was technically redeemed in the 1st one. 2nd one is just dealing with leftovers

>>42294719
No she was defeated in the first one, the second one was the redemption.

>>42292100 (OP)
You didn't buy it? so did no one else at the school. That's why Rainbow Rocks is a thing.

>>42292100 (OP)
Doesn’t that also sound like Starlight’s reformation arc?

>>42292100 (OP)
Starlight is the only redemption I really like. She had the perfect balance, not an instant change like Sunset and Luna, but also not changeless like Discord. She's the only one with any build up toward her redemption.

>>42292100 (OP)
Could be worse, you could be Trixie who people will swear up and down that she was redeemed even though she stayed exactly the same.

>>42294896
>muh Starlight

>>42294806
but she started crying and took Twilight's hand and basically said sorry and accepted friendchips and they lived happily ever after

>>42294998
That's not the redemption though, that's remorse and her surrender. No one thought her redeemed and we clearly see that in the second movie. Even the Rainbooms, who were giving her a chance because of Twilight, had doubts all the way up until the end when she steps in to save them. It was the Rainbooms' doubts that kept them from defeating the Dazzlings. They had not truly accepted Sunset as their friend, which kept them from fully utilizing the power of friendship. She had to go through everything in the movie to get their and they had to see her stand back up and redeem herself instead of simply ask to be forgiven and sit on the sidelines. Once she stepped up and they actually accepted her they were finally able to shoot the rainbow friendship lazer together.

>>42292100 (OP)
I don't necessarily disagree, but I would like to say: please don't use twitter mannerisms outside of twitter.

>>42294488
>just changed to the good side with 0 explanations why
Because she dedicated her entire life to thinking that she's unstoppable and deserves to rule Equestria via might makes right. Losing is a hard reset because she literally had nothing else.

Also no Poochie stayed the same character, everyone around her just decided to switch their brains off and play her being evil and psychopathic off as a le quirky moment exactly the same way they did with Discord.

>>42295040
you're forgetting the part where Dazzlings were brainwashing everyone into distrust and discord. the girls were also affected eventually

>>42294480
You're completely right. Shimmer's was so shallow and superficial as fuck. Nice songs and visuals at least, that's pretty much all it has going for it.

>>42296712
She faced actual consequences which is the only part worth giving a shit about, brainlet
Why should I care about le deep internal struggle of your cynical Reddit and Morty horse Glimmer when nobody is allowed to hold what she does against her

>>42295040
>Remorse and surrender dont count.
If she wasnt redeemed then why would she feel that way.
She tzrned good at the end of the first movie.
The second movie was just about everyone else forgiving her which isnt her character development the world around her.
Saying that RR had mahor sunset charactee development isnt really true cause she and the end of the first movie is the same.
She just got accepted by everyone which isnt really an inner character thing.

>>42296734
>Why should i care about having a deep character and its ideologies and morals being questioned and challenged and being changed
>Lets pretend that paying for her crimes is all that there is to it
Kek tgats why i hate suntards.
They talk about the only (half baked) good thing her character did and ignore all the other flaws pretending that she is a masterpiece of writing.

>>42294921
I'm glad the writers learned from past mistakes to create something actually compelling.
>>42296712
Even Discord has more merit because he grew as a character, just barely though lol.

>>42294894
I buyed it.
I just think its lazy and rush tl make her good asap.
RR should have been the movie about her still being evil and bitter towards twilight but over the course of the movie she comes in terms with it.

>>42296834
Discord would be seen way kess negative if it wasnt for S9.
Altough S4 discord is a orick who obly goes welp eyes because his evil friend left him.

Fun Fact: The RR musical had the exact story.
Sunset was still enraged about her loss and that hatred was the thing that lured in the sirens.
Not the rainbow that lured them in.
The sirens even attempted to recruit her for their cause.
Fuck that why cant we gave thaaaaat.

>>42294409
I wanted to redeem Queen Chrysalis but it would have been par for the course in terms of how I'd have gone about it so I doubt I could change that perception...

Also Also.
I think the ending of RR was rushed.
My problem is that the sirens in the eyes of the everyday chs student are just a bunch of teenage pricks who tried to use magic to win in a band competition and be beloved for their singing skills.

You never actually see them getting know what the sirens truly are.
So for them, subset just helped busting out cheaters from the competition rather then saving the world.
Which makes everyone forgiving sunset a tact weaker.

>>42296839
There's only so much that "he's a chaos spirit" works as an excuse. lolrandumb characters inherently aren't built for much character development, Pinkie suffered a similar fate.

>>42296872
It would be a gokd punishmebt of the finale to get rid of discords chaos magic so he cant cause any trouble anymore.

>>42296834
Shitcord and Poochie fucking blow
They do nothing but undermine the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, ect chances they were given
Sunset actually learned and grew as a person while they kept getting away with shit to the very end because the writers wanted a le edgy psychopath OC with unlimited magical power straight out of deviantart and Q from Star Trek on the cast

>>42297168
>Poochie fucking blow
We already know Sunset blows

>>42292100 (OP)
True but she actually became a better character after that, unlike Glimmer.

>>42292100 (OP)
True and she never actually became a better character after that, unlike Starlight.

>>42297180
Sunset's in her own series and thus not Poochie unlike Glimmer who was jerked off by 2 fim seasons straight

>>42297355
>In her own series
Spoken like a true poochienigger. She was only intended as a one off, and the fandom would be better that way

>>42297366
>le intended
EqG in general was never intended to have a sequel so who gives a fuck
She was always a central figure in the series
Also she's undeniably a reason EqG became as popular as it had so cope and rope

>>42297380
Being a shit eater isn't something to be proud of. Barboids have commonly said they wouldn't watch their garbage spinoff without their mary sue poochie, but in reality it's just shit and they have shit taste.

>>42297409
>Barboids have commonly said they wouldn't watch their garbage spinoff without their mary sue poochie
[citation needed]

>>42297409
>devolving into a temper tantrum in the place of arguments
Glimmerniggers, everyone

Why are poochieniggers like this?
The ones in the US are likely illegal immigrants inflating the numbers.

>>42297445
>G-Glimmernigger, you can't recognize my projection!
Pathetic

>>42297434
This is common knowledge, thirdie

>>42297461
>trusting Anonymous
everyone knows that faggot is full of shit

>>42297467
>NO TRUE SCOOTSMAAAN
>>28497432
Whatever you say, shitskin.

>>42297461
>commonly said
>can't provide even one quote
you're full of shit, your opinion is biased and you admit that EQG is good and simply makes you mad

>>42297470
>Complete reading comprehension failure
No one admitted EQG is good, retard. The opposite is stated, no one gives a shit about EQG except shimmerniggers because mah waifu poochiefags

>>42297478
>>Complete reading comprehension failure
no, that's just you. read that post again and don't skip the context this time

>>42297480
>No one cares about shitty other EQG ocs (Scitwi and Timber as examples)
>The majority only care about watching poochie
I'm guessing you flunked elementary school.

>>42297487
>we
I'm guessing you skipped lurking on 4chan before making a post

>>42297499
>Utter failure to read, makes up shit instead
My mistake you don't have any education at all in your dirt country lol

>Sunset is le Poochie!!!
>is the only reason EqG succeeds
These are literally contradictory
Nobody like Poochie, that was why he was killed off

>>42297509
No it's not a contradiction, it just means shimmerniggers have no standards that they latched onto a character everyone else recognized as dogshit.

>>42297508
>reads what he wants to read
>doubts others' reading comprehension
>ad hominems to support his rant
crawl back under a rock with your /pol/yp tier argument

>>42297522
There is no "We" in any of the quotes, you shitskinspawn. You lost the argument and flailing like a toddler for nanny

>>42297536
one person does not speak for everyone, you braindead retard

>>42297380
I want to peek at the timeline where EQG is the ending of G4. Imagine the amount of "THE ENDING OF MY LITTLE PONY WAS MEDIOCRE" video essays

>>42297540
It's as recognizable as poochiefags only consuming it for their mary sue, just like how EQG has only been popular in nonwhite countries. You will only move the goalposts further, since you're born brown.

>>42297551
>EQG
>nonwhite countries
Not him but I'll take the bait. What's the relation between those two?

>>42297446
Why IS EQG so popular with mexicans? Are they just super into High-school dramas or something?

>>42297551
>It's as recognizable as poochiefags only consuming it for their mary sue, just like how EQG has only been popular in nonwhite countries
these two things have nothing in common. you're desperately trying to support your weak argument with irrelevant shit

>>42296678
Sure.
>>42296818
If she wasnt redeemed then why would she feel that way.
I never said they don't count, but that's not what a redemption is. Would you call a killer who is sorry redeemed? You don't get to just redeem yourself, it's a process that involves others.
>She tzrned good at the end of the first movie.
She realized she was wrong.
>The second movie was just about everyone else forgiving her which isnt her character development the world around her.
Sure but we also see her character develop as well, that's why they forgive her. If she stayed the same then they probably never would have.
>Saying that RR had mahor sunset charactee development isnt really true cause she and the end of the first movie is the same.
When did I say this?
>She just got accepted by everyone which isnt really an inner character thing.
See above.

>>42297748
sure what?

ok and?

>>42297577
It just is, homie, comprende?!

>>42292100 (OP)
ugly as fuck mary sue corporate donut steel OC engineered for mass appeal to stupid goyim sludge
so lazy and uninspired too, just copy pasted from an already existing character, we didnt need another Twilight

>>42299062
Sunset mogs Twilight at every angle

>>42298352
Just sure to what you said. I wasn't sure it was relevant to the discussion but yeah sure.

>>42292100 (OP)
It's good.

>>42299062
you had me until "copy paste of twilight". you have good points, no need to ruin it with that retardation. that's like saying all of the wonderbolts are copy pastes of Dash, photo and hoity are copy pastes of Rarity. luna is a copy paste of celestia. are you a copy paste of mcdonalds wagies too?

>>42299062
>we didnt need another Twilight

Explain why they made one halfway through the show, then

>>42299928
The meme fits Sunset better since she actually did went to live in her home planet. Both Sunset and Starlight are much better characters than Twilight though.

>>42297748
Its not really sunset developing but the circumstances around her.
She just had to have a chance to fight off a group of sirens and and save the school.
She just got lucky that the world around her could be saved.
Thats not really character development.
Further prove in forgotten friendship where she still needed her friends help after getting confronted with her past crimes.
She is still the same character from beginning to end when you think about it.

Sunset Shimmer is my girlfriend btw

>>42292100 (OP)
Who has the worst redemption the goofy ahh ayylmao ronald mcdonals or poochie

>>42300044
At least Twiles is not flawless unlike these 2 mary sues

>>42300735
You're mistaking flawed writing for character flaws. No one comes remotely close to Suelight Sparkle.

>>42300725
You do because you're still a faggot even after being blessed by g4.

>>42300735
Post Alicorn Twilight is literally a mary sue. Terribly written character.

>>42300929
Doesnt she get beaten in S6 tho by chrisalys.
And she needed the help of others to beat the legion of doom.

Okay, as someone who isn't a Twifag, can anyone explain to me what exactly is it that makes Twilight a mary sue, but characters like Rainbow Dash, Pinkie Pie, Starlight, and Sunset aren't?

>>42300563
>Its not really sunset developing but the circumstances around her
Actions inform character, retard
It literally doesn't matter how circumstances facilitate the chance for a character to act as long as they actually do something to convey their growth to the audience
You are being hyper-disingenuous to try and constantly attempt to invalidate the events of the movie
>NO NO NO it doesn't count unless it happens on a Wednesday after 8pm under the light of a full moon!!!
Sunset stepping up to help against the sirens is incredibly important because until she actually does it all you have are base assumptions
The movie constantly affirms that she's doubting her right to even get involved and how she's getting mentally beaten down by the constant reminders from all of the students about her misdeeds, so when she actually does it you have definitive proof that Sunset changed and overcame the adversity she was going through.
Now some retard will act like this is insane delusion and that I'm saying Rainbow Rocks is high art galaxy brain shit when all I did was describe basic storytelling that niggers somehow fail to grasp either through their brown low IQ or on purpose to troll

>>42300944

>>42300929
I think she becomes less of a marysue post-wings. Twilight was an inconsistent mess early on and she dominated far too much screen time, often controlling the narrative and being the leader of the group.

>>42300958
Yea, Dash and Pinkie fill out more of these criteria than Twilight does.

>>42301018
After that Rarity thread shitting on Dashie I have to agree.

>>42300954
>Action inform a character
Yet the beginning sunswt would do tge same shit as the ending one dumbass.

>Sunset stepping up to the sirens is cause se finally overcame her obstacle
Not really.
She just got in to fight when twilight called for her, not from her own accord.
She STILL needed the validation from others that she isnt bad and is part of tve group and thus never truly overcame her past at the end of RR.
This movie actively spit on sunset by making twilight order her to fight instead.

When you think about it, twilight grew more by acknowledging sunset fully and inviting her.

>NOOOO HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THIS AWESOME 10/10 CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!!!
Kek this is why suntards like you are pathetic.
The show just yells how much sunset has changed and grown without her actually doing so.
Your nigger brain just eats this lie up and pretends to be a media literacy god while showcasing everyone that youre brainfarting monkey brain never actually looked deeper into this.

>>42301216
>She just got in to fight when twilight called for her, not from her own accord.
NTA, but Twilight never called for Sunset during the climax of RR, what are you talking about?

>>42301216
I wanna say your bait is getting worse. Bored already?

>>42301216
>Yet the beginning sunswt would do tge
Speak English, Paco
You had over an hour to type this and yet we get your gibbering esl slop
Also, no. Because Sunset also had moments throughout to prove that she actually can be helpful and make a positive impact. Something even more important than participating in the final battle was her getting the entire group back together under the stage, which was possible by her spending so much time observing them breaking down from the sidelines and reminding them why they were a part of the band in the first place. Obviously she fucking changed because by the end she not only became more confident but at the start she didn't even have the balls to ask if she could be in the band when she played guitar all along.
>She just got in to fight when twilight called for her, not from her own accord
Stepping in to help is still of her own accord, ultrafag. Someone asking for it doesn't suddenly make it not a choice to inform character.
>This movie actively spit on sunset by making twilight order her to fight instead
Twilight asked, she didn't command her to do it
>[autistic screeching]
Concession accepted.

>>42300814
live starlight glimmer reaction:

>>42301225
Twilight said quote: "Sunset Shimmer, we need you!"

>>42301324
>Sunset proved her worth that she does positiv things
And?
Thats something she does at the beginning of the movie.
Not really much of a character development if she does the same shit all movie.
>ESL ranting
Its funny how the losing side always goes on an autistic grammar rage to try claiming bonus points.
>She spent time observing them abd reminding them why they were part of the band to begin with
Not really.
Watch th movie ohtside your shimmer glasses.
All she did was stopping them because otherwise the sirens would absorb even more magic and saying tgat their bickering was why they could do it.
She was clever to observe them and cone to this conclusion but she was rather observant throughout the movie and noticed/knee things others didnt.
So that thing is again something the early sunset could have done as well.
The only reason why she didnt inform anybody was because the situation wasnt dire enough for it and she thought that they could still come by.
So its just outside circumstance forcing her hand again.
>Other characters telling you to do it is somehow her own accord
Nice cope bro.

>She became brave
She still needed twilight to come on stage and help.
So Again, outside shit needs to force ger hand cause she wouldnt do anytning otherwise till the end
>Twilight asked her
The way the sentence was structured isnt something how a question would be.
>>42301911

>Everything i say are words of a prophet, everything you say is autistic screeching
Nice narcissm bro.

>>42301951
>>42301324
All the crap you listed is something the early sunset either knew or would have done so at the beginning of the movie.
Her character is static throughout, the only time she ever changed was at the endof he first movue when magicaly she became a goody two shoes with 0 reasons as to why.
The reason why she turned good never existed cause the writers didnt even write that
So much for "masterpiece in redemption.

>>42301951
>>42301975
>Thats something she does at the beginning of the movie
Literally no because she hadn't done it yet, retard, and in fact she was actually harmful by introducing the sirens to both the school and the method that they'd use to take it over
>Not really much of a character development if she does the same shit all movie
Not much of an argument if you completely ignore everything that I said, either
She changed throughout. We all saw the ending where she's clearly behaving differently with the group and showing off after stepping up to the plate and making up for her past misdeeds. Trying to gaslight isn't going to get you anywhere.
>It's totally okay for me to shart out a low IQ broken english post!!!
No
>All she did was stopping them
You are coping so hard with this
Yes, she broke up the argument because the supervillains were being fed by it but that doesn't change the fact that she developed to the point where she'd actually speak up and become close enough to the group to actually we aware of their dynamics and values. The scene serving multiple purposes does not invalidate the characterization, that's just part of being well-written.
>The only reason why she didnt inform anybody was because the situation wasnt dire enough
Which changes nothing about the fact that she DID step in and DID assert herself by proving that she changed enough to remind the people that started her down a better path about the value of their own friendships and how they've been manipulated into feuding over petty shit. The severity of circumstances doesn't change the fact that something is being conveyed about the character taking action in the scene, especially about the specifics of how they handle the situation; this is basic shit, escalation leading to action which then informs characterization is in everything.
>Nice cope bro.
Did Sunset have a bomb collar on her neck that'd blow if she refused?
No, it was a choice. Stop being retarded
>She still needed twilight to come on stage and help
So did literally every other member of the cast because they all would've been fucked without even one of them there including Vinyl
>The way the sentence was structured isn't something how a question would be
It may be difficult for you to understand since you're brown and esl
>The way the sentence was structured isnt something how a question would be
She was pleading which is by necessity a request phrased without it being in the form of a question
So yes, she asked by saying the equivalent of "Will you help us?"
>[more autistic babble]
You are brown.

>>42302035
give me the TLDR, not reading your autistic rant

>>42302035
>Cause she hasnt done it yet
She observed her friends getting angry at each other the whole movie and even observed the sirens and saw how that were "something off about them" as she puts it later.
Should be ashamed that a hater has to lecture you what your waifu did in her supposed best movie.

>She harmed the others by introducing the sirens to the schools.
Okay... What are you trying to allude to?
That she is still potentially evil and git later redeemed to be a good person?
She introduced a bunch of unknown girls to the school and hoped that they know her good self before hearing about her past with the hopes of making friends.
She didnt had any bad intentions back then.
How the fuck is she supposed to know that they were evil sirens from another world?
Youre actively regressing subsets character to say that she evolved at the end of the movie which isnt the case.

>She changed throughout the movie, just look at how she acts differebtly from the group
Like how?
You mean the sleepover where she was super casual with no thoughts and doubts about their friendship.... Oh wait that was in the middle of the movie get fucked.
>S-She stood up to the sirens
You mean where she cobfronted thwm alone in a hallway... oh wait that was also at the middle lf the movie.
Guess she was just the same throughout the whole movie.
Get fucked.

>Acts like a grammar whore
You english teacher will never touch you

>It doesnt change from the fact that she did step up in the end
Not because of growth but because of the circumstance forcing her to do it.
The bomb collar isnt to extreme considering the entire world is at stake here.
You act as if everything she does at the end needs to have something to do about her character developing in some way tunnel visioning out every other possibility that she might just do it not because she grew confident about herself but because outside shit forcing her hand.
Even at the final faceoff she needed twilights command and validation to come out basically confirming that she never developed.

>But the others also did it to fight
First of all not true they pretty much went on tk faceoff the sirens without the others needing to say so (Vinyl was just support for the audio.)
Also:
Who the fuck cares about the others?
We are talking about sunset.
Stop moving goalposts.

>Twilights sentence is a question
"We need you" isnt said when asking a question.
And even when seeing it in a pleading way its not a question as she just affirms the reality of the situation and wants sunset to come.
And i gurantee you nobody but you says that twilight asked sunset to come.
For a grammar whore you sure as fuck get emberassed by an esl on that topic you fucking loser.

>Youre brown
Youre an eqgfag and scream paco at everyone.
No need to hide your projection bro

Please remember that the people on this board are hopeless losers. You're arguing some some literal Gollum. Do not waste too much of your time trying to convince some autist he's he doesn't understand what redemption means.