This episode irrevocably destroyed Fluttershy’s character and you oldfags should have called it out back then

Nah it's funny seeing these horse girls be driven to the brink

Its funny when its one off episodes and all of their current hopes and dreams were put into the GGG. But the later seasons turned them into irritable, irate, schizos.

>>42360052 (OP)
I always knew yellowrat was a psycho bitch

>>42360052 (OP)
The GGG being a failure was to break expectations, to have the GGG be a success would make it be more boring than what we got and at most would make Celestia's nephew shown more in future episodes with the Rarity relationship.

I don't think such a thing can happen in season 1. Season 1 establishes who these characters are. We know who they are by the end of the season.
It's true though that Fluttershy flipping out isn't hinted at before that episode as far as I know.

>>42360052 (OP)
In what way?
>she got aggressive
You know no one shy if you think they don't have a breaking point.

>>42360151
This
I understand that over time some characters become flanderized or break their original character, but there are anons who point out all kinds of crap based on their own headcanon.
Or who don't understand jokes like this case.
Or who don't understand that the characters aren't perfect (damn, the "Flawless" episode actually had a point, as shitty as it was).

>>42360184
My wife is perfect. Yours is a blight on pony.

>>42360184
>Flawless" episode actually had a point, as shitty as it was).
It really does. You aren't going to go from shy to completely comfortable in all social situations even in a lifetime. You might be able to move into a slightly more confident position. A person who can barely leave house might be able to function at a basic level. But they aren't going to deliver speeches. Ever. There are limits to "character progression" and it's ridiculous that people think Shy not changing into less shy is somehow fake or bad. Shy not liking Halloween etc is completely normal.

If all the characters got "perfect" they'd literally become boring. The idea is to love someone despite their flaws. Eventually you find that their flaws never even WERE flaws. And you miss the flaws if they ever disappear.

Bronies would have written as shit a show as the staff. K

>>42360185
Your wife smells bad and uses tail extensions.
Literally the worst member of the m6.

>>42360185

>>42360243
It's true, Rarity is the classic popular girl bully. And just so you know, she would NEEEEEVER let your disgusting manchild self anywhere near her.

This is like saying Party of One ruined Pinkie's character. This is setup for a well-rounded character and builds off Fluttershy's clear frustration she shows in Griffon the Brush-Off, it just gets executed poorly in all future seasons.

>>42360243
>rarafags keep posting this one thread I made that they sabotaged as a larping faggot so they could make this screen cap
end yourself

>>42360233
>and uses tail extensions.
That's explicitly during the period where all the stories are falsehoods.

>>42360258
>Rarity is the [mentally ill headcanon]
lol. lmao.
>>42360264
>I-it's a false flag
Nope.

>>42360052 (OP)
Fluttershy doesn't have a character. It's just "she's shy until she isn't". If anything the problems started with dragonshy. Worst of the mane six by far.

>>42360271
That cope never gets old. Keep rolling with it.

>>42360277
That changeling flaggot was so clearly obvious a rarafag. You tried and I can tell you're a failure.

>>42360279
Her character is that she's autistic about animals. This is established in the first episode, Nonny.

>>42360271
So what version of photoshop were the cmc using to make Fluttershy have tail extensions?

>>42360283
>nooooo it has to be a conspiracy even though every single Rarity hater acts this way
lol
lmao

>>42360286
The Flutterfag can never accept the truth, you can show him the evidence, bring in the witnesses, replay the tapes, it won't matter.

>>42360286
Presumably it was a favor they got her to do and she's just too retarded to realize the people who made her do something are also the people who told everyone about it.

>>42360289
>confirming that it was a falseflag placed by a rarafag
faggot

>>42360291
Surely you have proof to back up this claim?

>>42360303
Obviously not, it's a standalone gag from a single episode of the show. What we can say definitively is that the claim that she regularly wears them is incorrect because her tail doesn't usually look like that.

>>42360291
The copium is real.

Also someone mentioned the Dragonshy episode which is true, Fluttershy had been like this even earlier on in the season. And good, because the alternative would her being rather one dimensional. The characters going to personal extremes are a key element to the show. They come off as very cartooish immature and also real. Of course I don't even know if OP is being serious, I don't know that anyone would say it's a bad idea to have Fluttershy incapable of going to an extreme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98Qkhsw_P2g

>>42360258
Aside from that infamous collage, why do you people see Rarity as a bully? When did she bully anyone?

>>42360309
>Fluttershy had been like this even earlier on in the season
There's also the little moment in Griffon the Brush-Off where she gets distinctly annoyed at Pinkie Pie. Her being shy but irritable is a fun combo.

>>42360316
She has that classic resting bitch stare. Which is the way girls bully, they look at you judgingly
And Rarity is very often sarcastic to the other mane 6 and confrontational. In the discord episode when they're chasing Rainbow Dash in the sky, Rarity complains about how Pinkie Pie didn't secure the rope, then she sarcastically criticises Fluttershy's flight speed. Which is all justified, but it's always Rarity given those kinds of lines to talk down to the other mane 6. Rainbow Dash calls Pinkie annyoing, Twilight gets annoyed at the other mane six. But it's different when Rarity does it. Because she's pretty and more condescending. And I think some people feel a geunine hate for her. I don't really, I make fun of all the mane six but my waifu, for the maymays. But I'd probably choose her as worst pony, sure why not.

>>42360309
Sure, it's ok to have breaking points as seen with Fluttershy at the Gala and Pinkie in Party for One, or moments of desperation like AJ or Rarity had. What is not ok is to give the Element of Kindness to a pony that constantly shows that her true nature is not kind at all.

>>42360377
It's possible to care about others while also having a tendency to get annoyed by things going wrong. They just didn't really find that balance with her, at least of what I've seen.

>>42360377
That scene in magic duel is simply a mistake by M.A Larson. In fact many mistakes start to slowly accumulate after Lauren left, if you don't have the original ideas man to oversee the continuation of the project and no one cares enough then the writers are going to make mistakes not understanding fundamentals. M. A Larson worked with Lauren before, he should have left with her if he respected the craft. But the rest of Magic duel Fluttershy is fine.
Fluttershy being misportrayed in a scene in season 3 doesn't mean the Gala episode ruined her character at all, the Gala scene works, because it's built up to over the whole episode, we see why Fluttershy is starting to lose it, rather than her just summoning another version of herself. Same thing with Dragonshy, the whole thing is built up to her explosion, standing up to her friends after her friends had been with her the whole time, helping her up the mountain and now it was her turn to help them. The wrtiers later on just wanted to create these moments without thinking about it, or understanding it. Without having the original mind behind it standin over their shoulder to correct it.

And I would say, always for everyone to accept that Season 1 is who the characters are, and nothing after can ruin that. Season 3 did the same thing to Pinkie having her scream her head off at Gummy, which was the first time I found her actually annoying. It's just bad writing, But in that case I personally believe the real Pinkie died in the Too Many Pinkie's episode and therefore my Pinkie is safe from any bad writing that followed.

Of course even before that scene in Magic Duel sometimes Fluttershy had been a bit in your face. But not to that level, it's just bad.

>>42360062
This. S1 and S2 established the character, then pushed them and broke them. This is why they're the kinoest seasons.
Friendship lessons were learned with complete mental breakdowns.

>>42360377
That scene in magic duel is simply a mistake by M.A Larson. In fact many mistakes start to slowly accumulate after Lauren left, if you don't have the original ideas man to oversee the continuation of the project and no one cares enough then the writers are going to make mistakes not understanding fundamentals. M. A Larson worked with Lauren before, he should have left with her if he respected the craft. But the rest of Magic duel Fluttershy is fine.
Fluttershy being misportrayed in a scene in season 3 doesn't mean the Gala episode ruined her character at all, the Gala scene works, because it's built up to over the whole episode, we see why Fluttershy is starting to lose it, rather than her just summoning another version of herself. Same thing with Dragonshy, the whole thing is built up to her explosion, standing up for her friends after her friends had been with her the whole time, helping her up the mountain and now it was her turn to help them. The writers later on just wanted to create these moments without thinking about it, or understanding it. Without having the original mind behind it standing over their shoulder to correct it.

And I would say, always for everyone to accept that Season 1 is who the characters are, and nothing after can ruin that. Season 3 did the same thing to Pinkie having her scream her head off at Gummy, which was the first time I found her actually annoying. It's just bad writing, But in that case I personally believe the real Pinkie died in the Too Many Pinkie's episode and therefore my Pinkie is safe from any bad writing that followed.

Of course even before that scene in Magic Duel sometimes Fluttershy had been a bit in your face. But not to that level, it's just bad.

>>42360441
Every season established and pushed characters.

>>42360541
Not as well as the first two did

>>42360543
They did it just as well.

>>42360547
That is quite the unpopular opinion. And backed by zero arguments, too! Could this be bait?

>>42360377
Alot of these are played off for brief bits of comedy. Fluttershy just became more passive aggressive and unhinged in later stories. Like this egregious example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbfXSy1d67w

And the characters who are supposedly logical adults have these kinds of issues all the time. They just snap or turn into sociopaths to fit some flimsy narrative. The show would have you believe a pony could snap and create a 22 minute conflict over spilled milk.

>>42360553
Where are your arguments?

>>42360566
Mine is the general consensus. Weight of proof is on you.

>>42360052 (OP)
Nah, it was season 2s flanderization of her that destroyed Fluttershy's character.

>>42360362
>>42360316
Also, in Ponyville Confidential, she was totally fine with all her friends having embarrassing articles written about them, and was just muttering to herself about how 'maybe they deserve it' right before seeing her own. There's quite a bit that implies she's the type to talk shit about people behinds their backs, including her own friends. Plus, her using Spike as a man servant can be pretty questionable too. Depends on how tightly you want to define "bullying", really. If any of the mane 6 can be called bullies, Rarity and Rainbow Dash are easily the top contenders.

>>42360618
Rainbow Dash is definitely a bully, Dragonshy is her bullying Fluttershy the entire time and then never apologizing for it.

>>42360618
The rest of the m6 just had a bit of light banter about them
Rarity had her personal diary leaked to the entire town
Hardly the same thing

>>42360626
>never apologizing for it.
Frankly, almost none of them apologize for anything ever. Applejack is the only one I can think of that seems to apologize a notable amount(ironic, since you'd think it'd be Fluttershy or something), but the rest of them usually don't as far as I can recall.

>>42360657
Seems like a good thing to teach kids, apologizing when you've done something wrong. Oh well.

>>42360626
Yeah but Rainbow is cool and based.
Her bullying is acceptable.

>>42360651
>a bit of light banter about them
>Twilight's article is about how much of a snob she is and how she secretly looks down on everyone in town
>Light banter
Rarifags really are delusional.

>>42360672
Well yeah, that one wasn't banter. It was just true.

>>42360672
Frankly Twilight DOES look down on everyone and is a snob.

>>42360052 (OP)
I don't think we even knew there was going to be a S2 when Fluttershy blew a gasket.

>>42360680
S1 Twilight is a snob, S2 Twilight lost that sadly.

>>42360674
>>42360680
>>42360688
Twilight took to living in Ponyville super quickly. Hell, overall Twilight's probably closest friend is arguably Applejack, who's the most country in the group. Rarity is the one who's ashamed of being from a hick town and constantly puts on an act like she's from high society. Twilight has some flaws, but being a snob isn't one of them. Sweet and Elite shows us how much closer Twilight is to Ponyville residents in her demeanor than Canterlot.

>>42360698
>Rarity is the one ashamed of being from a hick town
Try actually watching the show before you post on my board you dumb niggermonkey.

>>42360703
Rarity says when she's fist introduced that she's always dreamed of living in Canterlot. Calm down, Rartard. I know, your waifu is a whore, she's a bully, and arrogant, and you have to come to face all these facts, and maybe that's hard, but we'll get through it together.

@42360717
Yep, Rarity haters confirmed for not even watching the show.
I will not be engaging with you further until you actually watch the show.

Like most cartoons, characters vary depending on who is writing them.
Rarity will switch between genuinely caring about Spike to using his crush to get labor out of him (because some writers will see that as perfectly okay, because she is pretty and they'd do the same if they could)

Larson had to insist that she totally wasn't coxing Spike out of his gem when enough people complained about it.

>>42360722
Just take deep breaths. Just remember that even if Rarity would never want anything to do with you, that's okay. Because you can always be her simp while she gets railed by fancy rich unicorn stallions that she lusts after like Blueblood.

>>42360733
I think the thing is that most of the writers just didn't like Spike much as a character and thus were fine with having ponies treat him like shit.

>>42360286
This is nothing more than proof that the yellowrat wants to make herself look good enough to get rutted by random stallions

>>42360759
I can't believe every pony of the mane six is such an obvious slut, besides Dash of course. With fake tails and Rarity's fake eye lashes.
The only people who like Rarity are those who want to be paypigs for a pretty girl, and Flutterfags want Fluttershy because they can get away with date rape. And anyone who likes Pinkie only does so because she's the only one who'd ever be their friend.
A sad state of affairs. Truly pathetic.

>>42360703
>>42360722
>Rarifags are now ignoring the existence of Sweet and Elite
I see you're definitely not ready for the truth bomb of Rarity being the most racist member of the m6.

>>42360785
I like all of them because they're all nice ponies.

>>42360785
>besides Dash of course

>42360789
>Sweet and Elite
Try actually watching the episode and comprehending it before you reply to my posts

>>42360733
>(because some writers will see that as perfectly okay, because she is pretty and they'd do the same if they could)
This really is the biggest problem with trying to objectively judge how bad a ponies personality is. There is no consistent standard in the show, whether or not something is bad or perfectly okay depends entirely on who's doing it. If Rarity or Fluttershy does something morally questionable, it's just a gag scene you aren't supposed to take seriously or let influence your opinion on them. But if pony of the week does something morally questionable, it's obviously because they're a jerk who enjoys kicking puppies.

>>42360792
Non-canon. ignored. ddelete this.

>>42360798
So you deny that Rarity is verifiably a far bigger snob than Twilight?

>>42360812
Dashiefag... are you okay?

>>42360052 (OP)
7 months after Faust quit and Lesson Zero finally aired Gen-Z were like "Lol the show is superior now!" actually no they were coping "This episode is nothing like the previous episodes, please keep watching new episodes" without noticing return of harmony was also a pile of shit.

And the 3 weeks to 1 month mini hiatuses between return of harmony, lesson zero, luna eclipsed, sisterhooves social were simply retarded like an attempt to not make the fanbase NOTICE how bad the show got without Faust. Albeit back then you had no place where to scream cause Equestria Daily or whoever was in charge of blogposting removed the ability to make posts without an account.

>>42360798
Live footage of a rarifag's mind breaking in real time.

>>42360821
You really think Lesson Zero is bad? Ridiculous. Also rather unrelated to OP's post.

>>42360735
Not him but you're further proving that you don't watch the show if you truly believe that Rarity would get any high class dick.

>>42360829
What is this? the 19th century? Soon you'll tell me the big-nosed tribe are not to be blamed for all the world's problems and starting the dark ages.

Fluttershy's character went to shit the moment season 2 started and her entire personality was flanderized from 'shy but sweet' to 'quivering pussy terrified of her own shadow who WILL NOT do anything unless you fucking force her to'. Season 2 was the death knell for her character.

>>42360840
Anon... she's terrified of her own shadow in season one.

>>42360834
>you don't watch the show if you truly believe that Rarity would get any high class dick.
NTA, but Rarity's sex habits have literally nothing to do with what I was saying, lol. I'm just saying she's a snob, which is verifiably true. I don't know why the other rarifag was so offended by this. Seems like rarifags only enjoy Rarity's flaws in theory, but the moment anyone actually talks about them, they immediately turn around and suddenly think those flaws don't exist.

>>42360840
>s1 fluttershy: stood up to the very thing she feared because it hurt her friends
>s4 fluttershy: can't get mad and use her hulk powers even when she sees her friends in danger, but goes apeshit because the villain smacked a bug.

>>42360848
Dragonshy doesn't count because Fluttershy has a phobia of dragons. That's like saying Indiana Jones is a scared little bitch because he doesn't like snakes.

>>42360854
This, exactly. Season 1 Fluttershy willingly went into the Everfree forest alone in order to find and protect the CMC. Season 3 Fluttershy had to be dragged practically kicking and screaming into helping Twilight stop Trixie. It's night and day.

>>42360834
You know, you can say "y-you don't watch the show!" as many times as you want. It's a nothing burger, with no substance. And you know it.
And you don't want to face the fact Rarity is a wannabe aristocrat desperate for princely seed. She has more than one episode dedicated to it. You can face reality now, or later.

>>42360821
God Faustards are pathetic.

>>42360810
It's favortism basically. Writers get too attached to a character and can never bring themselves to punish them. Rainbow is put through hell to learn lessons, but someone like Pinkie will get a slap on the hoof or in Yakkity Sax case, not be held accountable at all.

>>42360867
Pinkie is the worst of it. As much as I despise Rainbow as a character, at least she does have to suffer for her flaws in some of her episodes. Pinkie is just a gag character who was allowed to get away with basically anything, I'm almost positive because Hasbro thought her color scheme would make her popular with the target demographic. Can't have the fan favorite getting into trouble now.

>>42360848

Yeah but in Dragonshy Fluttershy overcame her fear. In Luna Eclipsed she did not.

In Dragonshy when Fluttershy started acting even a little out of line RD put her right in her place.
https://youtu.be/9dZQ57PHmQ0?t=1280

In S2+ Fluttershy gets Putting Your Hoof Down where she completely acts like a bitch for the entire episode - and many other episodes to follow....

Throughout S2+ Fluttershy speaks in this sarcastic/anxious way instead of her usual feminine baby way. Also Pinkie Pie in S1+ tries to avoid scarying Fluttershy and in S2+ she does it every time on purpose.
https://youtu.be/lMLwNboZrUY?t=311
https://youtu.be/ZoCrBhAu3zI?t=1060

I wish I could get recognition for this ... ,but it's not 2011-2012 when people would have cared for this actual review.
==================================

You forgot the AND/BUT , often times S1 has an BUT/AND in there.

Do you get it now? I know you don't watch the show. And if you watch these links and listen to my words and you still don't get it then you might have autism or stubborness issues. Do I need to throw an Andrew Tate or a "bro" in there for you to listen to me and stop automatically viewing me as your parent who abandoned you?

>>42360855
Whoah stop. You gave the jew a finger, now he took your entire hand by saying Dragonshy is an exception when Dragonshy clearly shows BUT/AND Fluttershy overcoming her fear in the end unlike S2 Flutters.

>>42360853
No fan of Rarity would tell you that she isn't a snob because that's an important aspect of her character, is what makes contrast with her generous personality.

>>42360861
She does lust after "princely seed" she just never get it. And I said I wasn't the same anon, please learn to read.

>>42360882
Pinkie's personality doesn't allow her to get hurt, she doesn't care or really think much about anything other than laughing and being positive. But still in the whole series Pinkie suffered the most of anyone, in Party of One, thinking that all her friends were conspiring and betraying and abandoning her.

>>42360897
No, I refuse to learn to read buddy boy, if it means reading the opinions of you simpletons. You're now an expert on whether or not Rarity could get with a stallion or not? Amazing.

>>42360810
>show pony brags to bring in an audience
>this is bad

>M6 brag
>this is confidence, this is fine

>>42360916
>But still in the whole series Pinkie suffered the most of anyone, in Party of One, thinking that all her friends were conspiring and betraying and abandoning her.
I don't think 5 minutes of a single episode is enough to qualify for 'more suffering than anyone else'.
In TLR, Applejack thought all her friends and family would hate her and disregard her as a failure if they found out she didn't win, and she was grappling with those fears for multiple days. That's pretty on par with Pinkie's suffering in Party of One.

>>42360948
Boat Busters is an especially funny example, because in that exact episode, Rainbow remarks that Trixie can't be better than everyone else because she's already there being better than everyone else, then immediately deflects to heckling Trixie when she starts getting heat from Applejack for doing the thing that's supposed to be bad, and the episode completely ignores this.

>>42360949
It was over the whole day and it's a cartoon it has to fit in a limited time. But the betrayal of friends, leading to so much pain she develops mental problems and twangs and becomes delusional to avoid the pain of reality, is by far the most pain shown inflicted on anypony in the show.
And she gets sad in Too Many Pinkie Pies as well. How often does Pinkie need to SUFFER for you to be satisfied? She never does anything wrong. In the Gilda episode she threw a party for Gilda, she was the one beginning ignored in the Parasprite episode even though they were right to ignore her nonsnse. But when does Pinkie ever do anything wrong? Maybe you just need to realise she's the best pony.

>>42360958
Yes we all know the mane 6 bullied Trixie out of ponyville. https://files.catbox.moe/4s2t1m.mp4

Because this is a sloppily written little children's cartoon that you all get worked up about. The writers obviously thought about the premises, "What if there's a really boastful arrogant show off character and make an episode about that?" "okay" *write* *write* "Let's make the character more interesting what should they be like? She shows off with magic, to contrast with Twilight... she's a magician!"
And then they finished the episode before realising that making her a performing magician ruins the entire moral lesson.

>>42360991
>But when does Pinkie ever do anything wrong?
Crankey Doodle? Luna Eclipsed? Yakity Sax?

>>42360991
>she was the one beginning ignored in the Parasprite episode
Okay hold on, this one is bullshit. I know the episode TELLS us she was ignored, but she literally wasn't. Twilight asked her super early on what a parasprite was, and Pinkie refused to explain and simply walked off. She wasn't ignored at all, she just never made an attempt to explain in the first place, even when asked.

>>42360991
>>But when does Pinkie ever do anything wrong?
Being annoying to me

>>42361012
Yakity Sax is irrelevant late show garbage.
Pinkie doesn't do anything wrong in Crankey Doodle, Crankey was just being cranky, he was the problem. And What did Pinkie do in Luna Eclipsed? Act like a normal pony like everyone else. IN FACT, it's Pinkie who gives Twilight the idea that solves the whole problem.

>>42361026
>Crankey was just being cranky, he was the problem
>Moral of the episode is literally that Pinkie shouldn't have been trying to force herself into Crankey's life
You got too obvious with the bait.
>Pinkie who gives Twilight the idea that solves the whole problem
Solution to the problem that she cause, you mean? After Twilight was already finding success in helping Luna her way, until Pinkie fucked it up?

Bats irrevocably destroyed Fluttershy’s character

>>42361040
Bats is such a weird episode. I wasn't following the fandom at the time, were they explicitly doing it to give batpony people some love? Because it's not a good episode at all.

>>42361040
>>42361044
It's insane how the entire episode proves Applejack correct and that Fluttershy's idea wont work, only to side with Fluttershy at the end for no reason. But God forbid we have Fluttershy be in the wrong. She knows everything about animals and totally knows the absolute best way to handle them. Except for all those times she doesn't, you know, but ignore those.

>>42361060
It feels like they forgot the part where they show that the bats actually do fertilize the trees and make them grow stronger. They clearly were setting that up but then it just never happens and they act like Fluttershy was right anyways.

>>42361012
>>42361026
Whatever the fuck was going on with her all throughout Filli Vanilli.

>>42361077
S4 Pinkie is a menace. She's been fully subsumed by the role of a gag character and actively makes her friends' lives worse but in a way that's funny so it's okay.

>>42361067
The thing is though, that doesn't even help Applejack. The only trees that would benefit from the bats are the ones they're eating from, in other words, trees where there will be no apples left to harvest. So the only trees that would benefit from the bats would be the ones in the sanctuary, where all the apples are going to the bats, not Applejack. And that's all ignoring orchards are manufactured ecosystems that rely on planned placement of trees, not random animals just spitting seeds wherever. The entire thing doesn't benefit Applejack at all, even in the long term, it's just a complete money sink for her and waste of resources. Fluttershy's plan was retarded and wouldn't work, which makes sense because it was only her secondary point. Her primary reason for not wanting to move the bats was "b-but their sweet little families!', and everything else was just excuses. Fluttershy is clearly biased for the bats, and her lines in the song are clearly supposed to be colored by her own perceptions, but then it just says "Nope, she was completely right the entire time, even though it makes no sense".

>>42361088
I feel like the intention before it became a 'lmao flutterbat' episode was for the bat-shoo plan to work and then the orchards to start going bad, and then Granny Smith will come back and explain that yes the harvest season when the bats come is a rough one but their fertilizer is vital to the trees' longterm health and sustainability or something like that. They're clearly setting up Applejack to be wrong, otherwise they would've had Granny Smith there to agree with her, they just got to the Flutterbat stuff and completely forgot about the core concept of the episode from that point on.

>>42360243
>at least 1 unironic seethe reply whenever this is posted
How does she do it?

>>42361098
Except the bats' nesting was killing the trees they were in, and exactly zero mention was made of the trees being 'better' after their first infestation years ago. And it's not like fertilizer doesn't exist, there's plenty of ways to bring extra nourishment to the trees that doesn't involve sacrificing an entire harvest to bats that wont even provide substantial benefit. Applejack isn't wrong, the entire episode proves her right. There are so many factors that have to be ignored for Fluttershy to be right, it's impossible to defend. The Apples have no problems with expanding their orchards, the bats are entirely unneeded.

>>42361026
>b-bait
It's true. Pinkie only ever sought to help Crankey. And there's nothing wrong with that. Things can go wrong but she was just trying to be his friend. Which is OK.
Pinkie is too innocent to do anything mean. That's why she never does. "This donkey is really really bald, we need yo find his hairpiece. This is serious everypony." Mean bullying words from any other pony.

>>42361114
>and exactly zero mention was made of the trees being 'better' after their first infestation years ago
Yes, that's the point. Applejack's supposed to have a limited perspective where she only remembers hearing the bad things but Granny Smith will remember all the good things that came afterwards. We're talking about the same series where there's apple trees that bud when they're struck by lightning, you have to ignore practical reality and focus on what the lesson being taught is. Bats as written has no lesson, but it clearly was trying at a lesson and was setting up for it before they did the batpony detour.

>>42361117
>Pinkie only ever sought to help Crankey.
And? Good intentions don't mean the way you go about achieving the goal aren't objectively bad.
>Things can go wrong but she was just trying to be his friend. Which is OK.
No, it's not okay. Crankey has no obligations to be friends with her if he doesn't want to. If Pinkie Pie doesn't want to accept that, that's a bad thing.
>Mean bullying words from any other pony.
In other words, Pinkie's actions lead directly to Crankey being bullied, meaning it's her fault.
>Pinkie is too innocent to do anything mean
Her being oblivious to the way her actions effect others doesn't make her innocent.

>>42361099
>image
I will slay that harlot for taking way my snuggles v-card before my waifu could

>>42361145
Shit I didn't mean to insinuate yellowrat is my waifu. That was still attached when I was in the middle of another post

>>42361145
That just means you'll be more skilled at snuggling, silly!

>>42361130
>have to ignore practical reality and focus on what the lesson being taught is
But the lesson is wrong, that's my point. Fluttershy's perspective is limited too, she says in the episode that she's never seen this type of bat before, yet she just so happens to know that they're actually super beneficial to the orchard because... they just are, apparently. The lesson it was going for was non-sensical, especially since the orchard wasn't struggling with making more trees. The bats are an invasive species, and Fluttershy's plan had zero way of preventing the bats from just eating through the entire orchard.

>>42361152
I'm not saying it's a perfect lesson I'm just saying that's clearly what they were setting up for right up until they completely forgot about it. If they wanted Applejack to be clearly right they had several opportunities to do so but they intentionally left it open so they could go 'oh hey look, you misinterpreted this' in the conclusion of the episode.

>>42361152
As much as I don't like TVTropes, it has a page all about messed up morals. FlutterBat is included.

>>42361169
None of us like TVTropes, but they are none the less a good source of information if you can cut out all the politicized aspects of it. I've read through the page about messed up morals too, and it seems like a lot of the questionable morals involve Applejack weirdly. I think it goes back to what>>42360867 said. Writers had favorites they didn't want to be wrong, usually someone like Flutters or Pinkie, and so they just always wrote Applejack as 'wrong' in these character episodes even if what she does is reasonable. FWF has the moral of not putting competition above friendship, but Dash does exactly that for the entire first half of the episode and is rewarded for it, while Applejack only gets punished for trying to play fairly.

120 replies on some stupid shitpost I made

Putting fluttershy or rainbow dash on blast=guaranteed replies

>>42360052 (OP)
Fluttershy with a spine is hot. The doormat persona isn't really her. It was fabricated to fit a shape for a forced story plot (elements of Harmony). Which doesn't really make sense after NMM is defeated. Even then it feels a little exaggerated.
Its almost like characters can be more than 1 dimensional.

>>42361231
The show didn't put Flutters on blast enough, hence why we must expend the venom this way by doing it ourselves.

>>42361237
What flutterfags fail to realize, is that people don't have a problem with Fluttershy not being a doormat. It's just that not being a doormat doesn't mean being a bitch. You can be assertive without being bitchy, but everytime Fluttershy acts assertive, she's bitchy. None of the other ponies have problems standing up for themselves in a non-bitchy way(except Dash who's always a bitch), so there's no excuse for it.

>>42361231
This is my most replied to post and I just did it to troll

>>42361243
>>42361182
Bats;
It made much much more sense for Applejack to be turned into a bat in an ironic twist in order to see it from Fluttershy's perspective. Same for Fluttershy being forced in Applejack's shoes and for them both to see it their ways. Here's a faggot zoomer who took issue with the ending of 1 episode and compares it to the episode I want to make an example of in the same good light.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM9hcfGUzII

Or the more generic plot like you said where Granny Smith tells Applejack those parasites/enemies she shoo'd away were actually a double edged useful sword to get rid of an even bigger enemy or to help the trees survive the winter, but that was never setup nor happened. I can't remember the last cartoon that did that. Cartoons kinda stopped doing these plots ever since the 2008 economic crisis hit. However I do have an example for the first plot I just wrote. I think it was Duck Tales or something else ... oh it was The Lion Guard last time where it's actually 2 enemies that look similar and the heroes mistake the useful neutral enemies for the same bad guys. Finally, I remembered. You got to really dig to find these things, there's nothing good to watch nowadays especially not written by the old guard. Today's zoomer writers don't even know what Egypt is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1ZQIpr65XI

And also an example of Fluttershy getting seemingly more confident and motherly against a very obnoxious Pinkie Pie. Fluttershy always has this weirdness of being both a momma bear and a baby herself, logically you lean into her being more motherly rather than a dumb crybaby that wants to be petted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPdSbklW_5I

Fluttershy is a faggot. Someone had to say it.

>>42360094
>The GGG being a failure was to break expectations
Ok? But what about angry fluttershy?
>>42360184
>>42360201
>Flawless had a point
I think Flawless's point sucks shit, not because the point itself but becauase at that point in the series Fluttershy has already overcame so much. Even the shit written in the journal shows Fluttershy overocming her fears. So when the other ponnies complain that she's too shy, I'm think to myself "WHAT?!"
Nightmare Night episode is nice since it respects Fluttershy's wishes.

She has deep issues.

>>42361148
Too bad, she's your waifu now.

>>42360840
>quivering pussy terrified of her own shadow who WILL NOT do anything unless you fucking force her to
this is literally exactly what dragonshy was

>>42361818
I hate Flawless because it misses the whole point of why characters are supposed to have flaws in the first place. Flaws aren't supposed to be just some silly quirks that make a character cuter or more relatable, they're supposed to be shortcomings that lead the character to failure. Rainbow Dash's arrogance and ego shouldn't be some goofy aside that everyone brushes off, it should lead her to trouble and situations she can't handle because she overestimates her abilities. Rarity's vanity shouldn't be some laughed off thing that nobody cares about, it should be something that leads to her offending the wrong ponies or disregarding the opinions of others and insisting she always knows best, to the detriment of her career.
As it stands, most of these ponies don't have 'flaws', they have quirks that make them a little silly at times, but it's never a big deal. It'll never actually present a serious challenge for them to overcome, brought on entirely by their own personal shortcomings.

>>42362014
Retard. See>>42360855

>>42360052 (OP)
It kind of character-assassinated the entire Mane Six, really.
Applejack: a capitalist only concerned with selling her wares at a royal social function
Fluttershy: rampaging animal-loving loony
Rarity: social climbing poser
Pinkie Pie: hyperactive social butterfly with no self control
Rainbow Dash: squealing fangirl
Twilight Sparkle: still obsessed with her teacher

If you think about it, following seasons took their tone from the GGG more than any other Season 1 episode.

>>42362167
>a capitalist only concerned with selling her wares at a royal social function
I mean, we already knew her goal was to sell products since Ticket Master
>social climbing poser
Same here.
> squealing fangirl
Same again.
> still obsessed with her teacher
And same here too. It didn't character assassinate them, these were all already previously established qualities.

>>42360052 (OP)
Actually this was legitimately the only moment where I liked Fluttershy.

>>42360151
>You know no one shy if you think they don't have a breaking point.
Fluttershy's "breaking point" in question was random animals not fawning over her for once.

>>42360444
>I personally believe the real Pinkie died in the Too Many Pinkie's episode and therefore my Pinkie is safe from any bad writing that followed.
Brutal

>>42362006
It should have been ME!

>>42361182
>>42360626
>>42360958
Dash was Faust's favorite. Season 1 is full of her getting let off the hook for stuff that wouldn't have flown later on after Fasut left. Ironically, for as much as people like to worship Faust, Dash would have likely ended up being even worse under her direction.

>>42360052 (OP)
It revealed her character. She always had been a cunt. If you are not a socially stunted autist(yes, I know where we are but still) you'd be familiar with this particular type of bitch. Just because she is socially repressed and pathologically avoidant, it does not make her "nice", merely a cunt unable to act out her cuntish desires, on the fear of getting pushback. There is a vast difference between being innately nice and "nice" because of fearing social consequences. Her "shyness" is also massively acted up as a defense mechanism, as it automatically pushes responsibility and consequences on others in her friend group.


>>42362167
Is the concept of the M6 being actual, complex, fallible persons with irrational desires and mistakes and doing not well though out things instead of perfect caricatures of a single trait too much for autists to handle? Are you dumber than the shows target demographic?

>>42362167
The very first episode of S1 after the two-parter told us that they were going to act this way. Buttershart is the only one out of all of them who behaves in a way that explicitly contradicts her established character up to that point.