Thread 42391930

The supposed element of "Generosity" being so fucking greedy that she couldn’t stop herself from trying to steal shit even when the fate of Equestria was on the line. It was potentially their final shot at convincing the dragon to move, saving Equestria from 100 years of darkness and misery, yet she still couldn't put her immense amounts of greed to the side. Instead, she decided that stealing a couple of jewels and a necklace was more important than the fate of Equestria. She didn’t even learn her lesson either, the only thing she took out of that interaction was that she was “so close to getting that diamond.”

this is just one of the many things that prove why rarity is not only the objective worst character in the entire show but also a greedy piece of shit whore whose fans all deserve to die

>>42391930 (OP)
Don't make me pull out the image anon

>>42391930 (OP)
>element of generosity
>is greedy
>acting like a gold digger at the GGG
Generosity my ass.

You sound like you were bullied

>>42391935
or maybe think of an actual counter argument to why shes not a greedy piece of shit whore instead of spamming ur retarded picture under any post showing genuine valid criticisms of the worst character in the entire show

>>42391940
you sound like you're a cuck whos waifu is the biggest 0 self respect whore in the entire show

>>42391930 (OP)
Humiliation ritual for Rariniggers
>Post the cope pic, whorsefags!

Don't pretend that in a room full of Gold and precious gems you wouldn't at least think about taking a few, Rarity is obsessed with beauty and fashion, a chance to get a CROWN? no way would she not at least try. Ponies aren't perfect cmon anon, But rarity is far from the most flawed of the 6

If they learned to use their elements over the course of the series then I think it would've been great. You just basically have to pretend the Elements of Harmony don't exist 99% of the time because the writers did too.

>>42391959
>Don't pretend that in a room full of Gold and precious gems you wouldn't at least think about taking a few
I wouldn't, because they're not mine and I'm not a thief. Niggers like you are the reason we can't have high-trust societies anymore.

>>42391935
Rairty haters still haven't recovered from that thread

>>42391959
maybe it would be ok if she made a mistake in a way that doesnt contradict the main thing she supposed to be good at GENEROSITY or if she at the very least learned her lesson, but no the element of generosity cant even stop being a greedy whore even when the fate of equestria is one the line

>>42391977
>one the line
ESL detected opinion discarded

>>42391958
"i dont have an actual counter argument so im just going to send this retarded picture that has nothing to do with anything thats actually being said"

>>42391979
when you know u lost the argument so you have to point out a tiny writing mistake to make yourself feel better about being a retard

>>42391983
Silence esl.

>>42391977
How do you know that she wasn't just going to redistribute the dragon's hoarded wealth? That would be generous of her.

>>42391989
wow, this might just be the most retarded thing ive read all day

>>42391983
>zoomie who types like he's on the discord server he moderates hates a pony with class and manners
Surprise, surprise.

Reminder that these are the people that hate Rarity

>>42391980
There really, genuinely, truthfully is no argument to be had with Rarityhaters. I can confidently tell you that there is no point in explaining to you why what you and OP have asserted is wrong because you would always refuse to listen to anything other people say. No matter how thoroughly anyone explains to you exactly why your points are wrong, you find some excuse to ignore them and say that it doesn't count and doesn't really disprove you. This is always an inevitable pattern that will arise when discussing Rarity.
So no, I will not bother wasting any more of my time on mindbroken Rarityhaters. Rarity is best pony, she does makes mistakes, but that does not make her an irredeemable whore slut or whatever you headcanon about her.

>>42391996
>rarity haters are trannies
KEK

>>42391979
That should've been apparent here >>42391950 when he said she has zero self-respect

>>42391995
is her disregarding her whole mission to try and steal some jewls "class and manners" or her changing everything about herself just so she could be a whore for some pony she just met who doesnt even like her?

>>42392006
>esl still blabbering

>>42392021
im getting the feeling that ur projecting

>>42391930 (OP)
counterpoint. Gold is fucking shiny as hell. gemstones? hell yeah. i think Rarity id in the right for wanting fat swathes of gold coins to lay upon. Having a hoard of material wealth in one spot to admire and lay upon is peak existence

ʳᵃʳᵃ

>>42391937
raritards will ignore all the greedy and whorish things that she does tho
probably because they're all cucks who jerk off to the thought of their waifu constantly whoring herself out to other ponies

>>42392043
>projecting this hard
Flutterfag or Ponkfag?

>>42392048
neither, but both are still 100x better than rarity

>>42391980
The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.

>>42391964
it's a dragon, they don't have rights

>>42391930 (OP)
Its because Rarity is a character who has depth in her personality. Believe it or not one can be generous and greedy, it just depends on the mood and situation.

>>42392085
They're probably Flutterfags they don't know the concept of nuance.
The idea that someone can be greedy at times and generous at times is lost on their tiny brains like these anons. They need one note background ponies like fluttershy to be able to have a character they understand.
>>42391937
>>42391950
>>42391946
>>42391952

>>42391930 (OP)
You can't be generous without first acquiring things to give. retard

>>42392114
Dangerously based. These retards don't understand that if you don't have shit in the first place you can't be generous. To be generous you have to be greedy to a degree.

>>42392085
So, you're trying to tell me that it makes perfect sense for a pony who is supposed to be the most generous pony in all of Equestria, a pony thats supposedly so generous that she gets her own magic necklace and magical transformation powers just for being generous, to be so greedy (the literal OPPOSITE of generous) that she's willing to throw the entire fate of Equestria to the side for a few gems? Wow, you are retarded.

>>42392121
Yes. As anon says first you have to actually have shit to be generous with it. Rarity loves acquiring wealth but she can also be generous.
If Rarity was always generous she'd have nothing.

>>42392114
being generous doesnt only entail giving away physical items to ppl, so that counter argument is already retarded + you can acquire things to give away without having to try and steal somebody else's things, retard

>>42392127
you can acquire things to give away without being greedy, RETARD + being generous doesnt ONLY mean giving things away, generosity can entail being generous with your time, being generous with effort, being generous with your knowledge, and so much more. stop acting like a retard

>>42392158
Except she's already done a ton of generous things retard. Also I like that Rarity can be greedy and selfish at times it makes her a more interesting and well rounded character not a bland character or a mary sue.
Rarity is widely considered to be best pony these days by a lot of people for good reasons.
As a character Rarity has aged better than a lot of MLP characters.

>>42392147
Rarity is generous. She's generous with her time, she was willing to listen to her friends retarded and nitpicky requests for their guests, she's made stuff for other ponies just out of the kindness of her heart, she's given other ponies opportunities they never would have had simply because she wanted to.
She can be greedy but she can be really generous. She's just generous in a realistic way.
In many ways Rarity feels like a more grounded and real character than say Pinkie Pie or Fluttershy.

Having flaws isn't the problem. It's that these main characters, who sing a whole song about how it's okay not to be perfect, will usually give shit to the characters of the week who aren't perfect.

>>42392191
“Rarity contradicting the thing she supposed to be the best at and knowingly putting equestria in danger makes her a more interesting character” no it doesn’t, it makes her bad at the one thing shes supposed to be good at. She can be a well rounded character that makes mistakes without having to contradict the one thing shes supposed to be good at, especially at a time where her being true to her element could be crucial to the safety of equestria

>>42392191
and the only reason rarity “aged well” is because teenage girls nowadays think being a mean, bitchy, judgey, whore is cool and that it makes them “divas” not because she’s actually a good character

>>42391930 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJK5OQ7593M

>>42392289
Oh look, it's the episode where she cries like a little bitch because she didn't follow a customers' request for an item that he PAID for, and the episode portrays HIM as the bad guy for some reason.

>>42392289
Taxes are levied
Criticism is levelled

>>42392270
somebodies mad their waifu got called out

>>42392327
>Rarity hater is an esl
Many such cases

>>42391999
checked and true

>>42391999
Answer me this. Why is it when Rarity makes mistakes, she gets a slap on the hoof and gets away with a quick "i'm sorry" - ("Inspiration Manifestation", "Rarity Takes Manehatten"), but if characters like Twilight or Rainbow make mistakes, they're usually forced to go through hell and humiliation before the lesson is learned?

>>42392364
>replies to post saying they will not engage in further discussion
>asks directly to further the discussion
this does not seem smart

>>42391930 (OP)
Lets settle this in this thread anons.
Do you you think Rarity is a good character?
https://strawpoll.com/XOgOVm8k3n3

>>42392257
>Seething this hard.
There's a good reason why Twilight, Rarity, Rainbow Dash, and Pinkie Pie are still the most culturally relevant members of the Mane 6 long after the show ended.

I love Rara (platonically) and still think she's a whore.

>>42392440
Thank you for having a brain

>>42392323
>>42392364
That's actually a pretty reacurring thing with Rarity, it happens all the time in the comics and the books too. She basically completely disregards what a customer or someone else wants in favor of what she thinks is best, and it's always either portrayed as a good thing because she's just so amazing and always knows best, or if it does back fire and have a bad result, no one holds a grudge against her or is really that mad about it and it's just immediately moved on from.
Honestly, I think the only reason Rarity comes across as 'not ruined' compared to other characters is because the show held a LOT of double standards for her. Rarity frankly just kinda gets away with stuff that isn't tolerated from other characters to nearly the same degree.

>>42391930 (OP)
She's generous with her body, dumbass. That's why she represents the element of generosity, it's a reference to her being a whore

>>42392381
Rarity hater bros...

>>42392497
Aw man this is just like special ed all over again

>>42392478
good point, i never thought about it like that

>>42391930 (OP)
>>42392497
Today I will remind them.

>>42392596
>one poll with only 71 votes
wow this proves so much

>>42392602
>still coping
Its not 2010 anymore fatty.

>>42392610
no matter what year it is rarity will forever be a shitty character and a massive whore, you can send that "rarity hater mindset" picture as many times as you want but you will still never be able to come up with an actual counter argument as to why shes not a whore and a shitty character

>>42392632
Proof?

>>42392633
NTA, but I'm, still waiting for feedback on my take here>>42392457

>>42392457
>She basically completely disregards what a customer or someone else wants in favor of
Thats because Rarity has a creative mindset and hates being tied down to strict rules when it comes to her art. She does what she does partially to express herself, the money is just a bonus.

>>42392645
i don't usually engage with conversations like this but in my mind i think it's justified that rarity as a talented professional who is good at her craft would have strong input regarding her projects and that tailoring is a field where the customer is not always right - her second opinions typically being right doesn't seem like it's just her getting away with being picky or annoying, she made a living out of it.

Rarity haters always end up describing Suri Polomare instead of Rarity.

>>42392664
>>42392663
"Being creative" is not a justification for completely disregarding someone else's wishes and demands. One of those instances from the comics I mentioned actually has Rarity accidentally poisoning someone by feeding them something they were allergic to because she thought her idea for a cake was better than what was being asked of her. This then gets fixed one panel later off screen and no one is mad at Rarity or blames her for this entirely avoidable incident that arose because she doesn't like to listen to others.

>>42392700
being a professional is a justification for using your knowledge to create the best version of the product you have been contracted to make, even if the layman client doesn't entirely understand what they're asking for. rarity not asking that pony if they have allergies seems like a silly contrived moment to create the opportunity to make that silly panel more than a serious character defining moment, but i never read the comics so what do i know.

Rarity is a 3dpd turned into a pony with 0.0000001 mg of snowpity injected into her
hasbro mandate btw

>>42391930 (OP)
All I know is if G6 does not have Rarity in it I'm not watching.

>>42392709
It sound like you're making the argument that Rarity's judgement is perfect and she's completely justified in disregarding what other ponies ask of her because she always knows better, and any instance of her judgement having a negative effect is just a contrivance of bad writing. In which case, you don't actually like Rarity because she's a well rounded character, you like her because she's a perfect diva with a few quirks.

>>42392773
i like to think that she knows what she's talking about when it comes to tailoring, and i somewhat base that from experiences i have read with professionals having to deal with clients who are asking for conflicting things during a specialized, expensive, and personal process. i think she's very good at what she does and it justifies her attitude toward her practice. i do not think she is perfect, but i think her fighting her imperfections makes her very charming. i do not think the way she treats her craft is much of a problem when it comes to her penchant for taking liberties, though that is not to say she has no problems.

>>42392709
Rarity is more than welcome to add a creative spark to the things she makes that she plans to sell in her stores. But when someone asks you to make a thing and gives you money for the thing, you make the exact fucking thing they ask for.

>>42392785
i don't think that's always true when it comes to elite tailoring and other specialized crafts, i think that's like telling an artist what colors to use or a doctor which tools work best, but maybe i am a fool.

>>42392784
>but i think her fighting her imperfections makes her very charming.
But that's the problem though, she doesn't fight those imperfections. Every time this comes up, Rarity always disregards what's requested of her in favor of what she thinks is best, and this attitude never actually gets called out or causes her trouble that isn't instantly resolved. This isn't a flaw Rarity ever even attempts to grow out of.

>>42392700
>nearly kills a pony
>prioritises her gown

>>42391930 (OP)
She’s sexy so she gets a pass for any bratty behavior.

>>42392802
The best/worst part is that Applejack gets over it almost instantly and isn't mad at Rarity at all. Rarity's actions straight up almost killed one of her family members, and Applejack is willing to forgive her in a heartbeat Meanwhile Rarity bears a grudge against Applejack for way longer in Honest Apple merely for fucking up a contest that she was hosting.
I guess the biggest lesson here is - if you have to do something that will piss off one of the mane 6, always pick Applejack, because she will be the quickest to forgive you and move on from it.

>>42392801
i was saying i don't believe it's much of an issue when someone comes to her for business and she employs standard professional procedure, when i think of her fighting her flaws i think of the end of sweet and elite where she gives up trying to impress the canterlot elite and decides her friends are more important than the dream she has had her whole life or in green is not your color when she stands up for flutters after realizing watching her crash and burn is horrible and something she never really wanted. maybe i am just stubborn on this topic, but this particular trait i don't see much issue with.

>>42392810
>she gives up trying to impress the canterlot elite and decides her friends are more important than the dream she has
Except what's his name bails out Rarity and she gets all the approval she wanted anyway, so she doesn't actually have to give anything up.

This entire conversation is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is how a pony measures up as a lover.
What would make her a good wife, rarafags

why the fuck are rara threads so autistic?

>>42392818
i think the moment is still impactful because she had no way of knowing fancy pants or any of the others would stand up for her being from some backwater town, she was willing to throw away the chance to be where she always wanted to be with no promise of ever getting it back or even hurting the chances of getting there again.

>>42392457
have we ever see her getting in depth instrusctions from a customer about whaat they want?
the first episode about her work shows that she knows better that her friends and every other episode after that she just gets tasked to sew something but has mostly total creative freedom

I don't blame a fictional character for their faults, because they're, you know, fictional. I blame the writers. Get too emotionally attached to a character and they'll NEVER let that character suffer or be called out. And if they ARE called out, it will be quick and gentle.

I like Rarity, but I can't deny that she can do annoying shit that'll be treated as okay or quirky. Like the whole flirt with Spike to keep him obedient shit they kept doing.

>>42392835
>have we ever see her getting in depth instrusctions from a customer about whaat they want?
Nope, not as far as I can recall. Pretty much all that's ever shown is she gets an order for something, then makes it in what ever manner she deems fit, and then sells it as is. I don't think she actually does custom work.
What you just described is the primary complaint I have about Suited for Success. The entire episode build up to a lesson that equates to 'Rarity's vision is completely flawless and her friends could never possibly understand what they want better than her because they're idiots with no taste'.
It basically set up Rarity's character as having little room to grow and improve at her trade from the very start.

>>42392830
wow, this might just be the most retarded picture I have ever seen

>>42392856
wasn't the piece she made for sapphire shores entirely custom?

>>42392838
I think this is basically the core of it. People think Rarity's character was good and never ruined because she was liked by the writers and therefore got treated with kid gloves. They think she's not that bad because her flaws vary rarely had actual serious repercussions or fallout that resulted from them, and were mostly treated as, like you said, mild annoyances or quirks at worst, or perfectly okay.

>>42392871
https://mlp.fandom.com/wiki/Transcripts/For_Whom_the_Sweetie_Belle_Toils
Judging by the dialogue, it seems like Sapphire didn't have any influence on the designs and instead Rarity basically had free reign to make whatever. So no, still not actually custom.

>>42391979
it's one extra letter you spastic retard, you knew what he meant

>>42392885
maybe i'm just retarded, but isn't that what custom is? a tailor making something specifically suited to you? i am open to being told this is wrong, but i did not assume a custom piece by definition had to have specific requests made but was more just about it being made solely with one persons measurements and appearance in mind

>>42392893
I think something simply being made to order is usually called bespoke, or made to order. 'Custom', at least I believe, usually carries the connotation of being made to specific requirements or demands. So making a tailored outfit is bespoke, but making modifications to the design is custom.

>>42392856
>The entire episode build up to a lesson that equates to 'Rarity's vision is completely flawless and her friends could never possibly understand what they want better than her because they're idiots with no taste'.
but that lesson makes sense because her frienda really didn't know what it might look good, she also did in fact asked them for any feedback or ideas to add and they were all nonsensical or vague including fluttershy

she is the one that does fashion for a living so of course she might know a little more than them and know what might look good or not, you go to a luthier because they no better than you and can tell you is your idea for an instrument works or not same with fashion

>>42392874
>>42392838
>>42392802
Building off this, just compare the way Applejack gets chewed out for accidentally offending Zecora, vs the way Rarity is called out for poisoning one of Applejack's family members.
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/My-Little-Pony-Friends-Forever/Issue-19?id=22248#18
Or perhaps it's more accurate to say, the way she isn't called out, because no one cares at all for some reason. Hell, Rarity never even apologizes for it.

>>42392898
that makes sense, but i guess if i wanted to grasp here i could say it's very likely those are still custom pieces due to them being bespoke and probably needing to fit a look, though the dialogue does obviously show she has a lot of liberty. maybe that counts? i still believe she does custom pieces, if we are going to cite later seasons the canterlot boutique ep shows her making custom outfits for ponies when she gets tired of the princess dress.

>>42392856
I forgot the name of it but there is an actual name for designers like Rarity who do just make whatever they deem fit even when they're commissioned. Like when Rarity is commissioned she just gets an idea of what the customer might want but she gives herself the freedom to make whatever.

>>42392856
>her friends could never possibly understand what they want better than her
They DIDN'T understand what they wanted better than her. The customer is not always right, especially when they weren't even customers Rarity was making them outfits out of the kindness of her heart.

>>42392903
>she is the one that does fashion for a living so of course she might know a little more than them and know what might look good or not
But that doesn't apply to the other characters, that's the thing. Applejack farms for a living, yet she was still portrayed as wrong and in over her head for not asking her friends for help in Applebucking season. Twilight studies magic for a living, and her using magic to solve a problem in Winter Wrap Up or Lesson Zero wasn't accepted. It's only Rarity and Pinkie Pie who get the morals of "They know better than everyone and no one should be questioning their judgement". Rarity's entire arc as a character begins on the premise of her judgement always being the best and others are fools for not listening to her. It's an incredibly weak foundation for building an actual arc off of.

>>42392926
>They DIDN'T understand what they wanted better than her
They all seemed pretty content and happy with their outfits until they got publicly shamed for them. Which, funnily enough, Honest Apple would go on to have the message that Rarity and Hoighty Toighty should have been totally supportive of the outfits, and that they were too harsh in considering them trash.

>>42392956
honest apple did not do the characters in the episode very good justice, which is common in the last few seasons

>>42392966
Yea, the moral is complete shit. I hate how everyone blames Applejack for the episode being bad when in actuality, the episode would be bad regardless of who's in her position because the basis of the episode is fucking ass, and makes Rarity and the other judges huge hypocrites with how they act in episodes like Suited.

I like that paradoxical aspect of her character. Rarity is vain, but will cut off her own tail just to make someone feel better. She has a lust for gems that's pretty similar to a dragon funnily enough. Which makes sense given her cutie mark and special talent for finding them. But the difference is Rarity uses most of her "hoard" to create things for others. She wants to make everyone beautiful, not just herself.

>>42392972
I agree with you on this completely. there could have been a much more interesting dynamic between rarity and aj but they decided instead to take both main characters (as well as a recurring bg pony or two) and make them unreasonable and kind of dumb in their own ways on opposite ends of a spectrum. later seasons failed to take advantage of so many cool concepts, but that's off topic, i just think eps like that aren't great for judging characters because they are characterized so poorly.

>>42392982
Some people complain about Rarity acting selfish when she's supposed to be the element of generosity. For me, it isn't her selfish acts that bother me. What bothers me is that I feel like a lot of her acts of generosity are usually a bit back handed, in that she almost always gets something from the deal. Even making dresses for her friends, Rarity still mentions the publicity that she'll get when all the ponies see the dresses she made. It makes her generosity feel more hollow when there's always this undercurrent of her getting something from it. Her being greedy or selfish don't bother me, in fact I barely even think about those things whenever I'm gauging my opinion of her.

>>42392908
Funny thing about that page is Zecora wasn't in danger at all, she was just being petty. So she reminded Applejack of her dead mother for no justified reason.

>>42392999
i think this adds to her truly selfless moments, like with sweet and elite. also checked i guess.
>>42392982
thank you fleurfag very cool (i agree)

>>42392987
I think a way it maybe could have been salvaged was if the episode was a little less one sided, and maybe had the outfits actually be problematic. Like the dress with the really long skirt getting dirty and causing ponies to trip over it, or a model missing the show because she was took too long doing up all the buttons on the goth dress. It could have them acknowledge AJ was actually right about what she was saying, and they shouldn't have just completely disregarded the feedback she was giving, while still also having the moral of Applejack learning to be more tactful on giving feedback. As it stands, it just flies in the face of earlier episodes and ends with the message of never being critical of anything, because it'll hurt feelings

>>42393002
It really makes Zecora look like a cunt, and Applejack someone who can't catch a break no matter what she does. It's a miracle AJ isn't a bigger bitch with how she seems to be treated half the time.

>>42393024
>it just flies in the face of earlier episodes
yep. so many later episodes do this. i think canterlot boutique was a miracle in that they still captured rarity so perfectly (in my opinion) despite the writing starting to slip to really bad territory around then and the golden age (again my opinion) being so far in the past.

>>42392931
but those are different
>Applebucking season.
is applejack working herself to the bone, the episode starts telling you how it would be a bad idea to do it alone and twilight isnt saying "applpone the way you farm apples is wrong and shit i can do it better than you" but instead "don't be stubborn and ask for help to complete this task"
Twilight studies magic for a living, and her using magic to solve a problem in Winter Wrap Up wasn't accepted
that's because of tradition, it was also acondition twilight herself was fine with and the episode also tells you that the ponies have been late for 2 winters straight i think so they aren't completely in the right
>or Lesson Zero
but that kind of works in sfs favour? the problem wasn't "twilight shouldn't use magic or else she makes a big fuck up", which she did, but it was about how she shouldn't lose her mind so easily and that her friends shouldnt ignore her issues no matter how small or silly they might sound, just like in rarity's episode

also i might be misremembering but didn't the dresses got small changes at the end likely based on the feedback her friends gave?

>>42393062
>but that kind of works in sfs favour?
I don't think so, because Twilight using her magic still wasn't treated as something she should have done. She was still treated as being in the wrong for doing it.
>but didn't the dresses got small changes at the end likely based on the feedback her friends gave?
No, they remade them exactly in line with Rarity's original vision with no modifications or changes of their own.

I'm glad this thread was able to get actual discussion of Rarity's characterization that was more than-
>If you dislike Rarity you're just a special needs kid who was bullied in highschool! My edited picture of three posts says so!
Maybe modern rarifags aren't all bad after all.

>>42393111
>>If you dislike Rarity you're just a special needs kid who was bullied in highschool
This is literally true though. Try finding a single rarirtyhater who isn't a massive retarded faggot.

>>42393111
thanks, i don't usually like entering this kinds of conversation because i feel like my points will just be disregarded and it won't really serve any purpose. glad to have an outlet to share my opinions.

>>42393137
these kinds* i'm not esl i promise.

>>42392999
I think this makes her an even more interesting and nuanced representation of generosity. Rarity is not naive and has keen social awareness when she isn't obsessing over something. She isn't the kind of pony to let others take advantage of her (usually). Being a businessmare she understands the need to market her products and make a profit, but she runs a legitimate operation and isn't seeking to get one over on her customers like say Flim and Flam. Which is what she would do if she was truly greedy and only cared about herself. Her business acumen combined with honest work allows her to give from a place of abundance, rather than lack. It's a surprisingly mature message for a kids show.

>>42393111
>op opens the thread with vitriol
>anons act surprised when it gets thrown back in his face
Why would I waste my time discussing things with people who clearly don't want discussion?

>>42393157
The only thing about it that makes it bother me is that I can think of instances of other characters being generous without getting anything in return for it. It makes her status ring a bit more hollow for me when other ponies will give of themselves even when they don't benefit or gain from it, but they don't get any renown for generosity at all.

>>42393163
>Why would I waste my time discussing things with people who clearly don't want discussion?
You say that while right above you was a pretty even back and forth discussion between two or more anons with differing views. Sounds more like a (You) problem, frankly.

>>42391930 (OP)
It's been fifteen fucking years and there are still people who don't understand that each of the mane six's elements are both their greatest strength and weakness.
>the fate of Equestria was on the line. It was potentially their final shot at convincing the dragon to move, saving Equestria from 100 years of darkness and misery
>anon also doesn't understand hyperbole

>>42393340
The dragon was pretty justified desu. My nigga was just trying to take a nap, and in come these ponies pestering him into leaving, swindling him, and eventually outright attacking him even though he'd been very reserved to that point. Not like he was intentionally filling the air with smog, he couldn't help it.

>>42392982
Exactly this. Rarity is hardly ever just one thing and its done in away that still fits her character it doesn't feel inconsistent or out of place. She just feels like a real person because not everyone is one thing all of the time.
There are times I'm a greedy cunt, there are times where I'm generous.

>>42393111
Its because we genuinely love and care about the character. We've dealt with people who have shit talked Rarity before and our love for her is not superficial so we're able to defend her.

>>42391959
I'd even offer to suck his dick, too. Rarity is right on the money.

>>42392908
>Hell, Rarity never even apologizes for it.
What? Applejack's friends act like dicks and screw her over and never once apologize for it? Now where have I heard that one before?

>>42392908
Why ain't this zigger rhyming? Betta get ma whip to put her in her place, I do declare

>>42393340
>there are still people who don't understand that each of the mane six's elements are both their greatest strength and weakness
The problem is people interpret the elements like divine domains. As if the mane six are supposed to be almost platonic ideals of these virtues in the same way Discord embodies chaos. If the criteria was that extreme the elements would never find ponies conceptually pure enough to wield them.

>>42393340
>>42393607
I feel like anons like you are going too far in the opposite direction though. There needs to be some standard to be held in regards to what it's supposed to mean to be an element of harmony, otherwise anypony can wield any element no matter who they are because hey, nobodies perfect. So what if a guy is a is a compulsive liar and scam artist? He's sometimes upfront about who he is, why can't he be the element of honesty? So what if this other guy only ever looks out for himself, he's loyal to himself isn't he? Why not have him be the element of loyalty? Nobodies perfect, so anything goes? What does being an element of harmony even mean anymore at that point?

>>42393032
This has some nice story potential. Where now the writefags and the greens?

>>42393624
Consider Pinkie Pie. I'd bet most anons would agree that she's the closest to "embodying" her element (except maybe Twilight but her element is weird anyway). But even with her over the top wacky personality, Pinkie isn't always laughing. She can be sad, insecure, angry, prideful, even inconsiderate. In other words, she's mortal. A mortal mare with an exceptional disposition towards spreading laughter and cheer, which is why she was chosen. She possessed a great capacity for the requisite virtue, but that doesn't mean it totally defines her or that she won't fail to fully live up to the ideal on occasion.

>>42392385
so the most naturally feminine one (Fluttershy) didn't resonate with a culture of dysgenic freaks? what a surprise.

>>42393675
Exactly. She embodies her element greatly while still not being perfect at it. But with Rarity and Rainbow, a lot of the time, it just comes across as a much bigger stretch to say they're more notably generous or loyal than the others.

>>42391930 (OP)
I was right there with you up until "her fans all deserve to die"

>>42391930 (OP)
rarity was consistent with her element, applejack on the other hand....

>>42393674
Semi related, but I have a green in the works that is based on a post series finale Applejack going on a semi-drunk tirade to Anon about how she feels like all her friends and family are abandoning her and leaving her behind while they move on with their lives. And I kind of want to explore the idea of AJ being resentful of the way her friends treat her in other greens too, so feel free to give me extra ideas.

>>42392497
>>42392602
Updated

>>42393692
>Unironically trying to argue Rarity is more generous than Applejack is honest
Now that's a cope.

>>42391930 (OP)
Be honest OP. Was this thread a direct response to all the "Fluttershy is shit" threads?

>>42392114
This. Rarity is Equestria's Andrew Carnegie but haters will never understand

>>42391930 (OP)
Post waifu or all your arguments are invalid

>>42393712
she is, rarity's generosity is always consistent meanwhile applejack's honesty becomes a fault in a couple of episodes to the point it makes her act mean and even dumb

>>42393737
what if its rarity? what then huh?

>>42393740
>rarity's generosity is always consistent
If you ignore when she isn't, then yea.
>applejack's honesty becomes a fault in a couple of episodes to the point it makes her act mean and even dumb
Well what is she supposed to do? If she doesn't speak the truth, she's being dishonest, if she does, she's a bitch. It's not Applejack's fault she got given the worst element that nobody actually likes. She could have easily been generosity instead desu, but you can't really say Applejack isn't consistent about being honest when you follow up by saying her following her being honest is a bad thing.

>>42393685
With Rainbow, I think it's more so a case of loyalty being more difficult to portray in a mostly slice of life low stakes show. Not impossible, just not as simple to write as a lesson about kindness perhaps. If FiM was a bit edgier (like if season 1 followed Faust's original plan) then Rainbow Dash probably would have had a lot more opportunities to display her loyalty explicitly and in dramatically compelling ways.

One thing I will give Rainbow Dash though is that she always backs up Fluttershy no matter what. She can be brash and dismissive sometimes, but she is very loyal to her oldest friend.

>>42393743
then you are based

>>42393756
>she always backs up Fluttershy no matter what.
Except in Dragonshy... or any other season 1 episode I can think of, for that matter. She actually doesn't have much of a relationship with Flutters in the first season now that I think about it. It wasn't until season 2 that was made a thing.

>>42393763
>>42393756
Also, I don't think loyalty was 'too difficult' to portray in the show, just look at how many people think Applejack is more loyal and say she should have had that element instead of honesty. Applejack didn't have any problems with showing great loyalty, or really any of the other characters, frankly. I think the real problem is that Rainbow's loyalty seems to only really apply in life or death situations. In just everyday matters, she's flaky and unreliable as fuck if she isn't personally invested.

>>42393763
As I said, she can be dismissive, but I don't think it's malicious. Rainbow Dash believes in Fluttershy's ability and wants her to succeed but has difficulty relating to her timidity which Rainbow finds frustrating because she knows (or at least thinks she knows) Fluttershy can do it. I won't deny she is rough in season 1 however.

>>42393715
no

>>42393737
pre wings twilight

>>42393781
>I won't deny she is rough in season 1 however.
This is actually tripping me out right now. I can't think of any notable interaction between them in season 1, outside of Dash' annoyance in Dragonshy. It's insane that these characters actually barely interact in the first season.
For as much as people like to glorify Faust and her era of the show, I think her handling of Dash's character was probably the worst. It seems like with the soul exception of the sonic rainboom, almost everything people like about RD comes from everything that came after Faust left.

>>42393771
>she's flaky and unreliable
I never got that vibe. She's impulsive and kinda obnoxious, but I don't recall her letting ponies down often.

>>42393795
What about Dragonshy? Fall Weather Friends? Over a Barrel? Basically any season 1 episode? Hell, Ticket Master opens on Rainbow refusing to help Applejack in the orchard in favor of napping instead, when the immediate next episode after had the moral of asking your friends for help when you need it.

>>42393804
>>42393795
Or in Spike at your Service, she completely bails on Spike and AJ and leaves them alone to deal with the Timberwolves.

>>42391930 (OP)
She's a horse

>>42393809
whorse*

>>42393804
>>42393808
I'm not sure I'd consider most of these examples of "disloyalty". No defense for Spike at Your Service though. That was pure cowardice probably that made them all look bad. They sacrificed the integrity of the rest of the mane six to make the plot work.

>>42393817
Not even Over a Barrel? She turned her back on Applejack and was all in on the buffalo's side REALLY quick, and didn't care about even trying to negotiate a better deal for her friend's family.

>>42393785
Oh OK

>>42393697
You're doing the world a service, anon. If you can fit in the way her friends treat her in some episodes and that Switcharoo book, you should.

>>42391964
the poor dragon almost had his collection of stolen jewelry, stolen from him? My sympathy for the dragon, not the victims, whom were most likely ponies.

>>42394457
Two wrongs don't make a right.

>>42391930 (OP)
But now suppose this treasure stash is important to her or to ponykind in some way, like the gold in Erebor was important to the dwarves in “The Hobbit”. Is it really stealing if it is already hers?

>>42394528
Good point also Dragons are canonically greedy assholes. That Dragon most likely stole that shit from Ponies and other creatures.

>>42394528
>>42395266
>>42394496

>>42394439
Here's my ponepaste. so you can keep track of my future greens.
https://ponepaste.org/user/BuccaneerAnon

>>42394496
How is it a "wrong" when
a) His smog was choking everyone to death
b) He most likely stole that treasure in the first place.

>>42392497
>>42393708
Update

>>42396489
>b) He most likely stole that treasure in the first place.
No evidence of that.

>>42396522
He's a dragon, dragons have no possessions and live in a wasteland. Where else would he get the treasure other than from ponies and other creatures.
In mythology dragons are known to plunder gold, and treasure whats worse is they have no actual need of it they only have it out of pure greed.
So "stealing" from a Dragon is objectively a good thing. They're like billionaire's but even worse.

>>42396522
One of the things Rarity wanted to take was a pony sized crown, and a pony sized necklace, and bracelet
Where would a dragon get that if it wasn't stolen?

bump

>>42397107
Stellar Flare owns my cock