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Anonymous No.42431780 >>42431820
/CHAG/ #135 β€” Chaos Edition
Welcome to Chatbot AI General #135, the thread for discussing and improving AI pony chatbots.

β–Ά MLP Bots
https://mlpchag.neocities.org
Spreadsheet (CAI bots + Old repository):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J7BeqJVDS51cXF8Pgm2YZaFq-Z6ykSJT
SillyTavern website extension: https://github.com/MLPChag/SillyTavern-Chag-Search
Bunch of Character Cards (Descriptions/No Greetings):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y6LNOCqAZAWIX-OBEv55HjlzcEdpUh-XbKCpbpL6v5k
CAI bots converted to Tavern: https://files.catbox.moe/ckurq1.zip
Expression packs: https://rentry.org/ChagExpressions
!!!GALLERY!!!: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/2/folders/1Ao-h5HFGMPllSrzSBKM_BvGSiU9f0c2U

β–Ά How do I start?
1) Select a Frontend
2) Select an AI model
3) Select Jailbreak
4) Select bots
5) Lovemaking with AI mares!

Starting in this hobby can be confusing and difficult. If it’s your first time and you’re lost,
β–Ά ASK THE THREAD! β—€

Novice-to-advanced guide: https://rentry.org/onrms
https://rentry.org/sukino-findings

β–Ά SillyTavern (preferred frontend)
https://github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavern
On Android: https://rentry.org/TermuxST
App that voices pony responses in ST: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16Ss26VBmgzcSuTGzhaHqRuyVRceTf-YB

β–Ά More frontends:
Risu: https://risuai.xyz
Agnai: https://agnai.chat

β–Ά Locals
https://rentry.org/lunarmodelexperiments
>>>/g/lmg/
Mistral Nemo base model fine-tuned on fimfics: https://huggingface.co/Ada321/Nemo_Pony_2/tree/main

β–Ά Jailbreaks
MLP JB: https://rentry.org/znon7vxe
More JB and guides: https://rentry.org/jb-listing
Hypebots for Tavern: https://rentry.org/pn3hb

β–Ά Botmaking
Editors: https://agnai.chat/editor
Guides: https://rentry.org/meta_botmaking_list
Advanced: https://rentry.org/AdvancedCardWritingTricks

β–Ά Miscellaneous
Scrapped/Collected rentries: rentry.org/mrhd
Chag Arts: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/2/folders/1yfajin_hB5rW_jy6WyFjRaRfDA3EUGiJ
https://rentry.org/ChagMiscellaneous
https://rentry.org/ChagArchive

Previous thread: >>42412197

**News:**
- Claude Opus 4.1 released: https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-opus-4-1
- OpenAI releases open-models: openai.com/open-models/
- New large chinese model, Kimi K2: https://moonshotai.github.io/Kimi-K2/
- Grok 4 released on API https://docs.x.ai/docs/models/grok-4-0709
Anonymous No.42431785 >>42433756 >>42434036 >>42442985
Anchor for bots, lorebooks, scenarios.
Previous >>42412199
Anonymous No.42431791 >>42431829
Anchor for technical stuffs (Proxies, Presets, Updates, Models etc.)
Anonymous No.42431794
lol lmao even
Anonymous No.42431795 >>42432803
Anchor for asking for bots, lorebooks, scenarios etc.
Anonymous No.42431798
Bot corner:

Gennikye: https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=BGM/Gennikye.png

Screenshots corner:

Linky fud >>42413397
Horizon Celly smut >>42413472, >>42415058
Remove your cock from my sister >>42414238, >>42414410
Good old estrus simulator >>42414515
Came-a-lot >>42415106
Carumba >>42415756
GET PREGNANT >>42416309
Anonymous No.42431802
Screenshots corner 2:

Tummy porn >>42420083
Mistletoeing the line >>42420611
Horizon logs >>42424487, >>42424510, >>42424530, >>42425940, >>42426093
Luna tease >>42425570
GLM 4.5 >>42431008
Anonymous No.42431805 >>42432278 >>42438261 >>42438863 >>42438917 >>42439793 >>42439860 >>42440878 >>42440914 >>42441241 >>42441939 >>42442610 >>42442993 >>42443017 >>42443247 >>42443970 >>42445498 >>42446335 >>42446778
VN Anchor:

Last releases:
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/VN/VN.txt

Mail:
MLPAIVN@proton.me

Custom characters by anons:
Anon: https://files.catbox.moe/0u05ef.zip
Babs Seed: https://u.pone.rs/SObPVBMu.zip
Berry Punch: https://u.pone.rs/ObwnLaSF.zip
Big Mac: https://u.pone.rs/MSMzxJTV.zip
Bon Bon: https://u.pone.rs/SfKzfuwt.zip
Button Mash: https://u.pone.rs/qcoyntsw.zip
Cadance: https://u.pone.rs/wihsimgg.zip
Carrot Top: https://u.pone.rs/RDPdPAXl.zip
Cream Heart: https://u.pone.rs/fmhijron.zip
Filly Rainbow Dash: https://u.pone.rs/tdeFjNRm.zip
Flam: https://u.pone.rs/nadnujip.zip
Flim: https://u.pone.rs/stzcrmgw.zip
Gilda: https://u.pone.rs/koLWrTeV.zip
Limestone Pie: https://u.pone.rs/sPKtdXfg.zip
Marble Pie: https://u.pone.rs/jdRzGDKt.zip
Maud Pie: https://u.pone.rs/JDdsprjH.zip
Mayor Mare: https://u.pone.rs/svWGXJMC.zip
Minuette: https://u.pone.rs/cntgcbjb.zip
Moondancer: https://u.pone.rs/NjERZjTz.zip
Mrs. Cake: https://u.pone.rs/klfuctah.zip
Octavia: https://u.pone.rs/ftovmygm.zip
Roseluck: https://u.pone.rs/pfJmksUO.zip
Shining Armor: https://u.pone.rs/ibphwvnq.zip
Silver Spoon: https://files.catbox.moe/hpe34b.zip
Snowie Aura (OC): https://u.pone.rs/AZlLEjFk.zip
Starlight Glimmer: https://u.pone.rs/DeEMGCHw.zip
Tree Hugger: https://u.pone.rs/mssapono.zip
Twilight Velvet: https://u.pone.rs/yrjroasw.zip
Twist: https://u.pone.rs/bcyMNArL.zip
Vinyl Scratch: https://files.catbox.moe/z2t47w.zip

>VN logs:
Pinkie destroys the fourth wall >>42413996
Octavia >>42417513
Not for fun >>42418003
Mrs. Cake >>42418080
Throwing poo >>42421173
Cadance >>42425101
Flim & Flam >>42425812
Button Mash & Cream Heart >>42426558
Tree Hugger >>42426744
Anonymous No.42431807
>VN logs 2:
Snack Break >>42429124
'Egghead' >>42429248
Nightmare AU >>42429751, >>42431073
She's a unicorn >>42431019
Anonymous No.42431820
>>42431780 (OP)
The OP that was too dar(l)ing
https://files.catbox.moe/olmkbi.png
Anonymous No.42431829 >>42432798
>>42431791
These days, you can get legit good AI for free and without needing any demanding hardware on your end.

Install SillyTavern:
github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavern

Tutorial and video:
aicharactercards.com/guides/sillytavern-installation-instructions/

Then choose a model. I'd recommend starting with Gemini, but you can try Deepseek, K2 etc. for free.

rentry.org/sukino-findings#if-you-want-to-use-an-online-ai
Anonymous No.42431887 >>42431954
Lovemaking with AI mares!
Anonymous No.42431954
>>42431887
Anonymous No.42431956 >>42431973 >>42431976
this kills the openai
Anonymous No.42431973 >>42431983 >>42433611
>>42431956
Totally subjective and meme rankings... That I kind of agree with.
Anonymous No.42431976
>>42431956
>AI ranked benchmark with shitty methods
Come on, we already talked about this.
Besides, if you believe this, OAI are still first with o3.
Anonymous No.42431981
Anonymous No.42431983 >>42433611
>>42431973
>That I kind of agree with.
This. They line up with what I and everyone I care about opinions are on creative writing so its the best benchmark we have on it. Though I will say GLM4.5 should get higher marks, I wonder if its because it goes shitzo at like 0.5 compared to other models.
Anonymous No.42432003 >>42432389
/lmg/ did a cockbench.
Anonymous No.42432034 >>42432054
I'm trying Opus 4.1, and honestly, I can't see much of a difference for RP between it and Opus 4.
Maybe on longer context the differences are more apparent, but I don't want to blow money on it, and I still don't find the difference in price justified compared to Sonnet.
Anonymous No.42432054 >>42432132 >>42432141
>>42432034
I remember Opus and Sonnet 3 being massive improvements for RP. What causcompanies to pull out these kind of micro updates, just to say "hey, we still exist" ?
Anonymous No.42432132
>>42432054
GPT-5 this week, and Google may also release something, so maybe Anthropic wanted to release something too.
I also believe huge improvements are just not possible anymore with the current architecture.
Anonymous No.42432141
>>42432054
The need to keep investors appeased as they bleed out money by operating at a loss. Just like every other major company in the last decade, except Uber doesn't need to do something new to keep the cash flow coming while it actively loses money because the service it provides fills a constant niche whereas with AI it's a mad race to keep inflating the bubble before it pops.
Anonymous No.42432278 >>42432321
>>42431805
If some anons tested dialogues with three pones, I'm curious to know if it worked well or if they encountered problems with the sprites.
Anonymous No.42432321
>>42432278
Dialog worked fine for me. Sprites are a little wonky for sure, but it didn't bother me.
Anonymous No.42432371 >>42432427
Does anyone know what to put as the model name for opus 6? I want to try it.
Anonymous No.42432389
>>42432003
totally useless logprobs, this model is hopeless
Anonymous No.42432427 >>42432462
>>42432371
According to ST, it's claude-opus-6-20260214.
Anonymous No.42432462 >>42435148
>>42432427
Doesn’t seem to work for me. I get a message saying this model is disabled on risu.
Anonymous No.42432544 >>42432798
Is there instructions on how to set up the connection for the VN? Im confused on what to put on the URL part
Anonymous No.42432647 >>42432798
im retarded and dont know get to the sans proxy. I got the link and used the image to get the inside link then I dont know where to go from here.
Anonymous No.42432787
things will get better :)
Anonymous No.42432798 >>42432836 >>42432992
>>42432544
Files in the Docs folder for assistance
For setting up connection
>game/data/config.json
>picrel
If you're really new to LLM roleplaying in general look at >>42431829
>>42432647
Add /captcha to the end of the url
Anonymous No.42432803 >>42433756
>>42431795
Anonymous No.42432836 >>42432838 >>42433224
>>42432798
Sorry, I shouldve mentioned Im using Openrouter. I dont know where the proxy URL is for that.
Anonymous No.42432838
>>42432836
Try this
https://openrouter.ai/api/v1
Anonymous No.42432992 >>42433222
>>42432798
I beat the asshole but when I put proxy I get this
Anonymous No.42433222
>>42432992
Check in the Docs folder, document 0.
There's already an OpenRouter example there.
Anonymous No.42433224 >>42439921
>>42432836
Check in the Docs folder, document 0.
There's already an OpenRouter example there.
Anonymous No.42433594
>page 9
What the actual fuck?
Anonymous No.42433611
>>42431973
>>42431983
I'm curious why you think Sonnet 3.5 > 3.7? Or Deepseek over them both and Gemini?
Anonymous No.42433718 >>42433727 >>42433762
I'm just an architect.
Anonymous No.42433727
>>42433718
>Your program sucks dick.
My giiiirl
Anonymous No.42433756 >>42433800 >>42433815 >>42434041 >>42435562
>>42431785
>>42432803
https://files.catbox.moe/f6ckc4.png
Here's that card I was talking about. Already got posted before in a hip and cool place, but this is the version for /chag/. No major differences beyond the obvious.

>>42431430
It's alright, anon. Just venting a little. Although stiffing the guy after he asked for more details was kind of a dick move.

Would be cool if people posted what little tweaks they do to cards. I know I have a collection of generic details I can paste in to spice a card up.
Anonymous No.42433762 >>42433819
>>42433718
Model?
Anonymous No.42433800 >>42433821
>>42433756
>what little tweaks they do to cards
Still trying to find the best way to make Twilight less "SCIENCE!" obsessed.
For a card, it seems that the best results are from using the Post-History Instructions field, but that can mess with some anons' presets even when using {{original}}, so I dunno.
Anonymous No.42433815
>>42433756
Birds eat other birds. Like how we eat other mammals.
Anonymous No.42433819
>>42433762
I was trying Opus 4.1
Anonymous No.42433821
>>42433800
Have you tried a different character?
Anonymous No.42433861 >>42433865 >>42433875 >>42436218
I'm having trouble with local AI inferencing, the mares keep repeating themselves endlessly (picrel) or bringing up stuff that's relevant to previous messages (like saying "I know a great place for lunch" after we are already eating lunch)
I'm using textgen-portable-3.8-windows-vulkan as the backend (I'm an AMD peasant, so no CUDA for me), the models I've tried are Nemo_Pony.Q4_K_M.gguf, Nemo_Pony.Q8_0.gguf and nous-capybara-34b.Q2_K.gguf
Will attach ST and textgen settings in the next posts
Anonymous No.42433865 >>42433870 >>42433877
>>42433861
ST settings
It automatically reduces GPU layers to about 40 with the 2 larger models
Anonymous No.42433870 >>42433877
Actual ST settings, I didn't touch the rest of the settings on that tab
>>42433865
Meant to say textgen settings
Anonymous No.42433875 >>42433897 >>42434051
>>42433861
Don't know enough about local to really help, but
https://rentry.org/lunarmodelexperiments
has a master-import with settings for ST. Maybe this will help you get more coherent results.
Anonymous No.42433877 >>42433897 >>42434051
>>42433865
That seems fine though you can probably drop that context size to 12k or 8k.
>>42433870
play around with the text completion presets. There are a bunch and some of them fix the worst repetition.
Anonymous No.42433897 >>42433906
>>42433875
Thanks, I'll try it if I can't get this setup to work
>>42433877
>play around with the text completion presets. There are a bunch and some of them fix the worst repetition.
I don't really know where to start
Can you share your settings and model to use them with (I remember reading that they are model-dependent)
Anonymous No.42433906 >>42433926 >>42434051
>>42433897
I don't really get the difference between Min P and Max P or anything. I get the theory but I have no idea what makes a setting work for one model over another. I just use Universal-Standard and increment repetition penalty and temperature if things are feeling bad.
Anonymous No.42433926 >>42433952
>>42433906
I maxed out repetition penalty at 3, changed temperature to 1 from 0.5 and now she at least stopped repeating herself in the same message (strangely maxing out repetition penalty barely did anything without the temp change), but I can't get her to go inside the boutique, the messages she generates are almost identical to each other too
Anonymous No.42433952 >>42434051
>>42433926
Try one of those and see what gives you coherent results.
https://rentry.org/sukino-findings#presets-for-text-completion-models
Anonistrator !!Xygh+ruy7qT No.42434036 >>42434041 >>42434053 >>42435024 >>42435562 >>42439505
>>42431785
Kept procrastinating, finally decides to post some cards I'd made.

https://files.catbox.moe/qqjzfs.png
Domesticating the Nightmare. Nightmare Moon was captured, and the Princesses have given (You) the task of making her into an obedient housewife.

https://files.catbox.moe/5jbk87.png
Soarin. A bit of a smaller card. Fag card.

https://files.catbox.moe/ctk9pb.png
OC Pony. A magic drawing of a pony made using magic ink, which makes her a living 2D creature.

https://files.catbox.moe/qxf1yn.png
Prince Artemis. Keeping with the thread's addiction to Luna cards, I've created a R63 version of Luna. You're his coltfriend!
Anonymous No.42434041
>>42433756
Thanks for the card.
>>42434036
And thanks too.
Anonymous No.42434051
>>42433875
>>42433877
>>42433906
>>42433952
Thanks for the help, everypony!
I ended up going with LM Studio and Nemo Pony because of the superior UX, it actually writes REALLY well and VERY fast, picrel
Maybe I'll revisit ST if I ever feel the need for complex scenarios
Anonymous No.42434053 >>42434086
>>42434036
Two Luna cards in one go? Is that allowed?
Anonymous No.42434086
>>42434053
yes, it is a Luna general, after all
Anonymous No.42434127 >>42435257
Anonymous No.42434171 >>42434192 >>42434201
What's a good deepseek preset to start working off of?
Anonymous No.42434192
>>42434171
Cherrybox
Anonymous No.42434201 >>42436565
>>42434171
I know many just go with no presets or just small instructions.
Else, you can look at:
https://rentry.org/CherryBox
or Chatstream in
https://rentry.org/sukino-findings#presets-for-chat-completion-models
or
https://files.catbox.moe/b2krz5.json
Anonymous No.42434325 >>42434472
Anonymous No.42434472 >>42434560
>>42434325
hm, what model is that? my 5bits on Latte
Anonymous No.42434560
>>42434472
Sonnet 3.7
Anonymous No.42434612 >>42434618 >>42434691 >>42434703
They added the GPT-5 icon:
https://cdn.openai.com/API/docs/images/model-page/model-art/gpt-5.jpg
They always do this a day before the model release.

They also have GPT-5 mini and nano:
https://cdn.openai.com/API/docs/images/model-page/model-icons/gpt-5-mini.png
https://cdn.openai.com/API/docs/images/model-page/model-icons/gpt-5-nano.png

With a bit of luck, the Horizon models were mini and nano, which could mean that full GPT-5 could be really good.
Anonymous No.42434618
>>42434612
nah, the way its been going horizon is full, 120B oss is mini and 20B oss is nano
Anonymous No.42434620 >>42434623
what presets do people use for 3.7? preferably for lewd
Anonymous No.42434623
>>42434620
https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/42347702/#42349298
You can also check https://rentry.org/sukino-findings#presets-for-chat-completion-models
Anonymous No.42434691 >>42434716
>>42434612
theoretically if Horizon was the full gpt5 model. would you be satisfied with that?
Anonymous No.42434703
>>42434612
interdastin
Anonymous No.42434716 >>42434991
>>42434691
Not really. I do believe they can write well and even be fun, but they are bitches with instructions and can have problems with the format on presets with dice rolls, for instance.
For me, this indicates smaller models. I would be disappointed if they are the full thing, but quite impressed if they are mini/nano versions.
Anonymous No.42434991
>>42434716
>I would be disappointed if they are the full thing, but quite impressed if they are mini/nano versions.
Any sph/sd focused cards?
Anonymous No.42435024
>>42434036
Absolute beautiful anon. thanks!
Anonymous No.42435048 >>42435212 >>42436225 >>42436886
Storybooks generator by Google
xcancel.com/testingcatalog/status/1952771176813478106#m
Anonymous No.42435148 >>42435163 >>42435168
>>42432462
It is disabled for everyone rn. Still, I am convinced none of the models on this proxy are anthropic's. They all seem to be some kind of gpt.
Anonymous No.42435163 >>42435181 >>42435202
>>42435148
Opus 5 is soji
opus 4 is sonnet 4
sonnet 4 is sonnet 4
3.7 is 3.7
3.5 is 3.5
Opus 3 is sonnet 4
chorbo is chorbo
Gemini is gemini
Anonymous No.42435168
>>42435148
Models before 5 seem to be legit
>>42424673
5 is I believe Claude 3
Dunno about 6
Anonymous No.42435181 >>42435194
>>42435163
Opus 5 isn't soji. It has more context than it. It's a Claude model.
Anonymous No.42435194 >>42435220
>>42435181
Anons here said multiple times that opus 5 feels like a deepseek finetune
Anonymous No.42435202 >>42435336
>>42435163
Yeah? I had a refusal on pseudo 3.7 saying "this doesn't adhere to OpenAi's policies."
Anonymous No.42435212
>>42435048
Not enough slop on amazon yet I guess
Anonymous No.42435220
>>42435194
3.5 can also hallucinate being Opus 3 to be clear.
Anonymous No.42435236 >>42436886
Anonymous No.42435257
>>42434127
damn... I need my friendship organs
Anonymous No.42435336 >>42435467
>>42435202
That's what actual Claude often writes. On a large context, it sometimes even self-identifies as GPT-4. 3.6 also likes "Reddit Anti-Evil Team". Any dataset is obviously full of this trash.
Anonymous No.42435467 >>42436911
>>42435336
>"Reddit Anti-Evil Team".
what
Anonymous No.42435562
>>42433756
Added, thanks.
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/Gallus.png
>>42434036
All added, thanks.
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=anonistrator/Soarin.png
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=anonistrator/Prince%20Artemis.png
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=anonistrator/OC%20Pony.png
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=anonistrator/Domesticating%20the%20Nightmare.png
Anonymous No.42436155 >>42436341
hi do you know how to install DeepSeek for PonyPonyParadise?
Anonymous No.42436162 >>42436203 >>42437683 >>42437861
Remaking the Nightmare AU files is tedious as hell. Probably should've make copies.

>where does an idiot such as myself find some good Night Guard Rainbow Dash vectors?
Anonymous No.42436203 >>42436242
>>42436162
Do they need to be vectors or do they needs to be "vectors" (pngs with transparent backgrounds)?
Anonymous No.42436218
>>42433861
Holy slop
Anonymous No.42436225
>>42435048
Buy an ad.
Anonymous No.42436242 >>42436257 >>42436433
>>42436203
Preferably the second one. I lack the skill to chop shop the bitches out.
Anonymous No.42436257 >>42436366
>>42436242
Time to learn to cut things in an image editor, little grasshopper.
Anonymous No.42436341
>>42436155
Make sure you arn't missing the /v1/chat/completions at the end. From my testing Sans doesn't seem to play nice with PPP.
Anonymous No.42436366 >>42436379
>>42436257
That's true. But this lil' grasshopper is unmotivated, uninterested and too lazy to do it.
Anonymous No.42436379 >>42436426
>>42436366
I guess that's what happens when you become addicted to AI slop.
Anonymous No.42436426
>>42436379
Addict?! I'm not an addict! I can stop at any time... I just... don't want to... or feel like it... or feel like wanting to.
Anonymous No.42436433 >>42436503
>>42436242
Do you mean cutting the empty space around?
Anonymous No.42436503 >>42436565
>>42436433
That's essentially the long and short of it.
Anonymous No.42436511 >>42436565 >>42436639 >>42437538 >>42437694
I don't normally come to these threads, but I had an issue back in mid July that I'm still trying to wrap my head around and I figured I'd toss it at you guys to see what people more experienced in this stuff think.

I use Sillytavern as a frontend with a Deepseek API (I hope I said that right.) For a long time I worked at getting the AI just right, and In May/June I had it perfect. It was excessively creative, never repeated and had an active context memory of 64,000 which allowed it to remember hundreds of previous chat messages. In mid June I stupidly imported some chat completion settings for an alternative API setup, not realizing I hadn't saved any of my prior settings to there own profile, so they got replaced. My bots immediately stopped acting the same, and despite all the effort in the world over the last 3 weeks to put it back to the way it was, putting settings back and re establishing prompts etc, my bots simply do no act the same anymore. They arent as creative, often get stuck on repeating the same types of dialogue or phrases and forget things. I don't know what got replaced that did this, but it has basically ruined my chatbot experience.
Anonymous No.42436565 >>42436591
>>42436503
https://files.catbox.moe/ovang5.py
python ovang5.py yourfolder
For example:
python ovang5.py C:\temp
That will cut the empty space automatically.

>>42436511
First, check in the plugin that you're connected to the Deepseek model you used (there's Deepseek R1 and V3).
Then, you'll need to remember the preset you used back then.
Context is in picrel, but I assume you already know that.

Otherwise, try other premade presets to see if they come close to the quality you had before.
>>42434201
Use the import button shown in picrel for that.
Anonymous No.42436591 >>42436603
>>42436565
>First, check in the plugin that you're connected to the Deepseek model you used (there's Deepseek R1 and V3).
Mine always just said 'Deepseek'. I got the API key directly from the site and stuck it in. I recall seeing immediate results when I did, cause I used to used OpenAI.
>Then, you'll need to remember the preset you used back then.
As I said, I have tried my absolute hardest to put everything back as it was. Chat messages generated with these presets are still in my logs and have a lot of info attached them in the token manager about how they were generated.
>Context is in picrel, but I assume you already know that.
Yes I knew that, and currently it is set to 64k, but it still seems to not remember context. I have a suspicion it reset somehow and despite the current sixze it now only remembers conversation from the moment of the incident I mentioned. So I might have a chat with 200 messages from before that but if I try to message it now it will only use the last message sent as a kind of new starting message to work from.
Anonymous No.42436603 >>42436623
>>42436591
There should be several Deepseek model.
Reasoner is R1 and have a thinking block.
Chat is V3 and don't have one.
If not try to install/update to a new version of ST I guess.
Anonymous No.42436623 >>42436660
>>42436603
Oh that? Yes it was using deepseek-chat.
That's what I set it back to after.
Anonymous No.42436639 >>42436649
>>42436511
Deepchink was never good
Anonymous No.42436649
>>42436639
All well and good to say, so help a fellow horse lover out with a better setup.
I'm not really an expert, just a dabller.
Anonymous No.42436660
>>42436623
Best bet would be to try Deepseek presets and see if one work for you or is near what you had before
https://rentry.org/sukino-findings#presets-for-chat-completion-models
Anonymous No.42436664
Such a thing would never have happened on Chadgnai.
Anonymous No.42436886
>>42435236
>>42435048
Buy an ad.
Anonymous No.42436911
>>42435467
apparently it's a thing lmao
sonnet 3.6 likes to cite it when refusing
Anonymous No.42437140 >>42437494 >>42445534
Kek
Anonymous No.42437324 >>42437494 >>42437529
Probably a really dumb question but... Can you prefill Deepseek?
Anonymous No.42437494
>>42437140
Heh
>>42437324
Yes
Anonymous No.42437529
>>42437324
Sure. The last assistant message is your prefill.
Anonymous No.42437538 >>42439008
>>42436511
They switched the reasoner endpoint to the new snapshot in the end of May. Meaning, it's a new model that is less unhinged and more coherent. Repetition depends on many things, from your prompt to the temperature, it's hard to say without knowing your setup.

You can use the old schizo R1 if you want, on any other provider that has it, like chutes.
Anonymous No.42437683
>>42436162
This is looking nice.
Anonymous No.42437694 >>42439008
>>42436511
open your SillyTavern folder and look for the folder called backups
if you scroll down enough you'll find files starting with "settings", these should include prompts, among some other stuff
open it in a text editor to check if it has the correct prompts
you can restore it by copying the file into data/default-user and replacing the existing settings.json (make sure to close the sillytavern console window while you're doing this)
Anonymous No.42437722
Anonymous No.42437796 >>42437810
I think that Pinkie might've broken Twilight's faith when she put some inappropriately shaped cookies on display.
*Now with 70% more frosting!*
Anonymous No.42437810 >>42437870
>>42437796
Kek. What model? Did it come up with this on its own?
Anonymous No.42437861 >>42438028 >>42438121
>>42436162
i had a hard time trying to find good crystal war rainbow dash vectors.
Anonymous No.42437870 >>42438210 >>42438256
>>42437810
It came from a long-form chat session, and it surprisingly did come up with this on its own. It probably came about this route because of the over-arching discovery of my character's unique situation. Kind of caught between two forces that are constantly trying to fully pull my character between two worlds. Character is currently at an equalibrium where both light and dark magic must be kept, or else a power vacuum is made and chaos results. This also affected magical pathways, as the two intertwine through nerve heavy areas. (explained as hooves, head, wings, etc.)

Using a Claude model, and it has mainly been acting good thus far.
Anonymous No.42438028 >>42438121
>>42437861
There isn't that much.
https://derpibooru.org/search?page=1&q=apocalypse+dash%2C+transparent+background+
Anonymous No.42438121 >>42438151
>>42437861
>>42438028
It's a real shame really. Good options on the episodes but it'd take a lotta work to make it a decent quality edit.
Anonymous No.42438151
>>42438121
>it'd take a lotta work
Cropping is literally first grader tier color within the lines level work.
Anonymous No.42438210
>>42437870
Seems like a fun session.
Anonymous No.42438218 >>42438522
Can someone show me a SillyTavern example with an agent that summarizes to memory and tell me how satisfied you are with it? Is that possible now, so characters have better context and chain of thought?
Anonymous No.42438256 >>42438261
>>42437870
Just saw this, how cool! Can you teach me how to set up a faux-VN like this?
Anonymous No.42438261
>>42438256
NTA but >>42431805
Read the doc number 0 for API setup. Free Gemini 2.5 is good with this for easy access.
Anonymous No.42438522
>>42438218
I believe most just use:
https://rentry.org/how2claude#summarization
for summarization, then modify it to their tastes.
That, or ask OOC for one in chat and tweak it afterward.

Never tried them, but you can also check out:
https://github.com/InspectorCaracal/SillyTavern-ReMemory
https://github.com/QueenGytha/ST-Auto-Summarize
Anonymous No.42438701 >>42438711 >>42438771
So, question for you guys. I've been using Gemini 2.5 Pro as of late and for some reason it keeps cutting off while generating? Like the message will be abruptly cut off mid-sentence or it'll just give me a blank message sometimes. I'm not writing anything that I think'd get filtered so I'm not sure why this keeps happening. Any ideas?
Anonymous No.42438711
>>42438701
1) Put a high number in picrel. Gemini 2.5 can think a lot, so it's possible the thinking is consuming a high number of tokens.
2) If that doesn't solve the problem, try with streaming off to see.
Anonymous No.42438771
>>42438701
it does that sometimes. just swipe.
Anonymous No.42438863 >>42438867 >>42438917
>>42431805
how did this alicorn vector slip under the radar?
Anonymous No.42438867
>>42438863
moondancer propaganda
Anonymous No.42438917
>>42438863
The worst part is that I DID see it and even edited it, but I must have forgotten to save over it.
>>42431805
Corrected version:
https://u.pone.rs/ioobxrwi.zip
Anonymous No.42438921 >>42438943 >>42438950 >>42438952 >>42439010 >>42439221
GPT-5 livestream in 10minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/live/0Uu_VJeVVfo?si=8yH4a0GveRjgiKdI
Anonymous No.42438943 >>42438947
>>42438921
We already have the price.
https://platform.openai.com/docs/models/gpt-5
Anonymous No.42438947
>>42438943
the fuck. isnt this insanely cheap?
Anonymous No.42438950
>>42438921
>first 20 minutes of the stream
>havent said a single thing that is not about corpo/coding shit
i know that is the usual but fuck me. at least sneak in the word "creative writing" once or something.
Anonymous No.42438952
>>42438921
400k
Anonymous No.42438954 >>42438963 >>42439030
GPT-5 requires a verified organization
Anonymous No.42438963
>>42438954
isnt this the standard? i believe it was similar with 4.5 and such.
first like week or two its only available for super duper special corpos and not every single key.
Anonymous No.42438993
lol they are killing all previous gpt models, goodbye churbo
Anonymous No.42439008 >>42440007
>>42437538
>They switched the reasoner endpoint to the new snapshot in the end of May. Meaning, it's a new model that is less unhinged and more coherent.
I had a feeling this was the case.
>You can use the old schizo R1 if you want, on any other provider that has it, like chutes.
Can you explain how that works and how i would shift to that?

>>42437694
The last backup of settings is from March, before I'd updates ST from 1.10 to 1.12 and way before I had my setting how I wanted them.
I've tried looking at basic differences in the settings files from march and the current. It's a bit confusing, but the immediate difference I noticed was the absence of "api_server_textgenerationwebui" in the current settings.
Anonymous No.42439010 >>42439021 >>42439083
>>42438921
cant watch at the moment so just three questions. if they talked about them yet.
1)available on all keys today?
2)is the reasoning forced on you even in API?
3)peak writing?
Anonymous No.42439021 >>42439029 >>42439030
>>42439010
>1)available on all keys today?
From the keys I've checked it's not available on around half, and requires organization verification on the others.
>2)is the reasoning forced on you even in API?
No clue.
>3)peak writing?
It's Horizon, if you tried that.
Anonymous No.42439029
>>42439021
>It's Horizon, if you tried that.
Horizon could be mini or nano. We do not know yet.
Anonymous No.42439030 >>42439042
>>42439021
>>42438954
>organization verification
is that a known thing? i hope that is not some hyper anal password thing that will kill gpt use through keys. i guess literally just waiting for the key to get refreshed real quick or something.
Anonymous No.42439042
>>42439030
It's an existing thing, you need verification to use o3 with streaming. It's most likely temporary especially considering how cheap GPT-5 is.
Anonymous No.42439056 >>42439109
honestly the best thing about new gpt releases is that other companies will shortly release their own new models as an answer. in Gemini 3 we trust
Anonymous No.42439079
lol GPT5 rejection on livestream, instructing the user how to light fireworks is too unsafe
Anonymous No.42439083 >>42439091
>>42439010
Forced reasoning but you can put it to minimal.
Anonymous No.42439091
>>42439083
fuuccckkkk its fucking over.
forced reasoning means the model will act like 30% dumber for our purposes plus they could very easily sneak filtering without even trying.
why the fuck do they do this shit, i hate this trend.
Anonymous No.42439096
Anonymous No.42439108
LOL
gemini still beats it
Anonymous No.42439109 >>42439115
>>42439056
Gemini has never been good. Were there models that weren't bad?
Anonymous No.42439115
>>42439109
The latest Gemini models have been rather good, although they're overall less trusty than Claude in coding tasks. They're also a bit too schizo at times.
Anonymous No.42439131 >>42439139 >>42439141
unironically would be more than enough for me if its just like a 10% better Chorbo.
since its much cheaper so it would count as a great update.
Anonymous No.42439139
>>42439131
They have a chat-latest version of it too.
https://platform.openai.com/docs/models/gpt-5-chat-latest
Anonymous No.42439141 >>42439146 >>42442116
>>42439131
gonna say again, try GLM4.5, its a smarter churbo, use https://files.catbox.moe/ggsif4.json
Anonymous No.42439146 >>42439169
>>42439141
It writes nothing like Chorbo, Anon.
Anonymous No.42439169
>>42439146
I said better didn't I
Anonymous No.42439177
GPT-5 is now available on non-verified keys
Anonymous No.42439197 >>42439211
It's on OpenRouter but you need OAI verification...
https://openrouter.ai/openai/gpt-5
Anonymous No.42439211
>>42439197
>you need OAI verification...
you don't anymore on normal keys
wonder why openrouter needs it
Anonymous No.42439220
kek
Anonymous No.42439221
>>42438921
Buy an ad Altman
Anonymous No.42439244
gpt5 big is horizon 100%
Anonymous No.42439271
good news at least. seems like they brought back visible fingerprints on gpt5
Anonymous No.42439286 >>42439294 >>42440972
tested gpt5 for a few swipes on different characters. using basic Chorbo presets so not the best.
but eh. seems unironically worse than chorbo?

pros: more aware of the scene, less chrobisms (em dashes etc), seemingly zero filter.

cons: more dry, less in character, less mannerisms and energy.
Anonymous No.42439294 >>42440972
>>42439286
>seemingly zero filter
yeah I have noticed this too and feel paranoid. it wrote a typical braindead smut without any refusal on the non-latte prefill (just prefill that GPT doesn't have)
I am confused. it cannot be this simple, right?
Anonymous No.42439305 >>42439480
It works on Merkava
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/106148201/#106155166
Desactivate streaming for GPT-5
You can activate it for GPT-5-chat-latest
You may need the last version of Silly-Staging
Anonymous No.42439383 >>42439420
i thought gpt-5 and gpt-5-chat-latest are the same thing for now?
since there is only one gpt-5 snapshot. so why do some keys have latest but not regular it seems?
Anonymous No.42439408 >>42439411 >>42439454
added to seiko
Anonymous No.42439411
>>42439408
Thanks.
Anonymous No.42439420 >>42439445
>>42439383
They aren't the same.
GPT-5 loves to write and will give you giga-long answers if you let it.
GPT-5-CHAT-latest is more conservative and faster in generation.
I need to try both more to have a definite opinion, they're weird models.
I can confirm they aren't really filtered at all, at least for non-cunny.
Anonymous No.42439445 >>42439451
>>42439420
>they aren't really filtered at all, at least for non-cunny.
Really? I did a few swipes on my latest story, and GPT-5 really didn't want to do it, while 5-chat had no problems being filthy. It's not even cunny or anything else bad.
Anonymous No.42439451 >>42439453 >>42439996
>>42439445
Used >>42415058 for both.
Add
>Do not act or talk for {{user}}, only for the world around and {{char}}.
For RP.
Anonymous No.42439453
>>42439451
Thanks. I'll give it a try. I hope this is finally an alternative to sonnet, I really need a break from it
Anonymous No.42439454
>>42439408
Can I get a hint?
Anonymous No.42439480 >>42439519
>>42439305
I get blank responses with streaming disabled? Does anyone else who use risu have this issue?
Anonymous No.42439505
>>42434036
Thanks for the cards, Anon! Specially for the OC Pony card
Anonymous No.42439519 >>42439542
>>42439480
Not a Risu expert, but it works for me like this
https://files.catbox.moe/a2oqu2.PNG
Also with
gpt-5-chat-latest
Anonymous No.42439542 >>42439550
>>42439519
Is there something I need to turn off?
Anonymous No.42439550 >>42439694
>>42439542
I'm like this, keep in mind I never touched it and I don't know what the fuck they do.
Anonymous No.42439604 >>42439776
Can someone post some gpt 5 clop smut? How good is it
Anonymous No.42439694 >>42439778
>>42439550
I don’t know what I’m doing wrong. Either I get blank responses with streaming off or I get a message telling me the organization must be verified to stream the model with streaming on.
Anonymous No.42439776 >>42439980 >>42439986
>>42439604
GPT-5 chat-latest version, it's direct smut, so I'm sure you could get better results with context or better {{user}} prompts.
Both scenes are linked, one after the other:
https://files.catbox.moe/3s68v5.png
https://files.catbox.moe/mv8f3e.png

Now, for GPT-5, here are some random swipes. They aren't linked because this model just loves writing A LOT.
You could probably rein it in with instructions to write only X paragraphs or words, but I just want to showcase the difference in model and writing using the same presets.

Warning: absolute walls of text, it really likes to fucking go on. Too much.
https://files.catbox.moe/sixum3.png
https://files.catbox.moe/zjn0zc.png

I didn't try to get the best outputs here, these are the first outputs I got for each.
Anonymous No.42439778 >>42439845 >>42440015
>>42439694
Sorry, I don't know how to help more. I never used Risu so it's really the default settings and tests with a random bot.
Maybe try it on another browser to see if it works with the default settings on your end.
Anonymous No.42439793 >>42439806
>>42431805
New to the thread and this is the first time I'm seeing this, is it just me or is this absolutely amazing? I thought Mantella AI was the most impressive AI implementation I'd seen since it integrates AI chatbots with Skyrim/Fallout, but in some ways this is even more impressive since it's all from scratch instead of using an existing game as a platform.

I can't believe I hadn't heard of this before outside of this thread. I feel like this ought to be getting more attention since it's probably how RPGs will be in the future. Absolutely amazing job for everyone who's worked on it.

Still downloading things, out of curiosity have there been any attempts to integrate the text with text to speech like in >>42429020 ?
Anonymous No.42439806 >>42439834
>>42439793
>since it's all from scratch
It's using Ren'Py, so I still had help on the engine level:
https://www.renpy.org/
What took the most work was the AI implementations, the system for anons to dynamically add characters without coding in-game, the schedule and map system, etc.
>Still downloading things
There's a folder called docs. Read that first, especially the 0 doc, since it explains how to set up the API. I recommend free Gemini 2.5 pro to start with, since it's free and legit. But if you have a proxy you can use it too with other models.
If you have a problem, just ask here.
>text with text-to-speech
Maybe in the future. My computer is a potato, so it's harder to run them locally, and I'm not sure there are good APIs right now for pony voices (I might be wrong).
I still need to add things first, like:
- Changing locations dynamically once a user enters a scene/discussion.
- Adding new locations like Canterlot, not just a world map for Ponyville.
Etc.
Anonymous No.42439834 >>42439840
>>42439806
Oh wow, didn't such a prompt response. Thanks for the heads up about the docs folder, because I was looking for some of the things there.

Glad to hear you're still working on adding new things, looking forward to seeing where it goes from here!

As for pony voices, have you seen https://15.dev/ ? It's from the thread >>42429020 I was impressed with that as well.
Anonymous No.42439840 >>42439864
>>42439834
Yeah, I know about 15, but I don't believe there's an API, meaning I can't send it directly from the game to the website and receive an answer back in-game.
If you test the game, just know that the start is a bit guided so you can see how the system works.
Once you've finished talking with a pony, click on "quit" to continue the story.
After the first part is done, you'll be in the open-ended phase, where you can talk to any pony you want.
If you want to skip straight to the open-ended part without the intro story, click "quick-start" in the menu.
Anonymous No.42439845
>>42439778
What preset are you using?
Anonymous No.42439860
>>42431805
Daring Do.
https://u.pone.rs/wnftbepe.zip
Anonymous No.42439864
>>42439840
15 takes ~100 seconds for a single gen and has a 200 char limit anyway. Probably wouldn't be ideal.
Anonymous No.42439901 >>42439908
Anyone has any idea what opus 6 is? It's the best of the fake models there and I wanna try it.
Anonymous No.42439907 >>42439913 >>42441330
GPT-5 is the first model that actually has some idea of what /chag/ is.
Anonymous No.42439908 >>42440068
>>42439901
gpt5 chat
Anonymous No.42439913 >>42441330
>>42439907
GPT-5-Chat-Latest still get it wrong. Proving it isn't the same model.
Anonymous No.42439921 >>42439931 >>42439939
>>42433224
The example didnt work for me. I tried to use the chatbot on openrouter and if gave me this:

base_url="https://api.openrouter.ai/api/v1"
api_key="your_openrouter_key_here"
model="deepseek/deepseek-r1-0528:free"

that didnt work either.
Anonymous No.42439931 >>42448376
>>42439921
It's working for me, I think you need to change the URL. Here's the settings I'm using:

URL = https://openrouter.ai/api/v1/chat/completions
API Key = copy pasting the key directly
model = tngtech/deepseek-r1t2-chimera:free

Obviously you can change the model but make sure you're using the exact ID field and not the name field or the hugging_face_id field.
Anonymous No.42439939 >>42439959 >>42448376
>>42439921
It works on my end:
https://files.catbox.moe/0udzdu.png
To make sure, go to API Config, click "Reload from file," then save the configuration.
It should look like picrel.
Anonymous No.42439959
>>42439939
Finally got it to work. I was messing with the config file and the changes didnt apply. Thank you thank you.
Anonymous No.42439980 >>42439996
>>42439776
I've not been able to jailbreak GPT that well, not even with previous versions. Can I ask how you did it?
Anonymous No.42439986
>>42439776
>thessisslop
average /chag/ log
Anonymous No.42439996 >>42440000
>>42439980
>>42439451
Anonymous No.42440000
>>42439996
Ah, I'm an idiot. Missed that, thanks!
Anonymous No.42440007 >>42440037
>>42439008
>Can you explain how that works and how i would shift to that?
Pay any LLM provider that hosts this model. Or pay OpenRouter where you can select providers. R1 is cheap enough.
Anonymous No.42440015 >>42440040
>>42439778
I think the blank responses are from being filtered. I finally got gpt 5 to give two responses after a while by using a blank card and a preset with only one thing in it.
Anonymous No.42440037 >>42440055
>>42440007
>R1 is cheap enough

And Deepseek R1 is free!

Does /chag/ have a consensus on paid versus free models? I put $10 into OpenRouter to meet the minimum there but have stuck to only using free models. I've tried to watch for results from paid models to compare them but I haven't seen anything that's convinced me it's better enough to switch to paid yet.
Anonymous No.42440040
>>42440015
I only tried it on Risu with basic SFW messages, so that may be it.
Didn't touch the preset, so it was the Risu default one.
On Tavern, it does give you the classic OAI spiel when filtered, but maybe that depends on the preset.
Anonymous No.42440055
>>42440037
Paid models are generally smarter and follow instructions better, but honestly for basic writing/rp a lot of free options are just fine.
Anonymous No.42440068 >>42440507
>>42439908
Just tried gpt-5 and it's definitely not it. Doesn't look like any of the new GPT models or DeepSeek, it uses regular quotes " instead of the curly ones every model uses nowadays β€œ ”
Anonymous No.42440127 >>42440147 >>42440148 >>42440151
Wow, there are a ton of cards in the OP. Where do I start? Is there a meta for which cards are best for the main cast or such?
Anonymous No.42440138 >>42440166 >>42442116
glm is fun
Anonymous No.42440147
>>42440127
For the mane 6, Ponyo is best. They stick to their personalities and don't have any extra added.
Anonymous No.42440148
>>42440127
>for the main cast or such?
I say just give the greetings a read and see which ones you want to play.
Anonymous No.42440151
>>42440127
They all suck except mine.
Anonymous No.42440163 >>42440169 >>42440217 >>42440219
How does one set up a schedule for Princess Celestia on the VN. I tried adding one manually but it didn't do anything. I want to be able to chat her up whenever, not just sunday.
Anonymous No.42440166
>>42440138
thesisslop
Anonymous No.42440169 >>42440196
>>42440163
Everyone knows Celestia only appears on a Sun day.
Anonymous No.42440175 >>42440200 >>42440211 >>42442113
the only issue I think is it indeed tries to write for the user, but its characterization and story telling is 2nd only to opus
Anonymous No.42440196 >>42440219
>>42440169
I will destroy every day until that day is the only day. No day till today.
Anonymous No.42440200 >>42440228
>>42440175
not reading that slop
Anonymous No.42440211
>>42440175
See, it's great that this turned out so well, but I don't feel like it's a significant step up from what's possible with existing models.
Anonymous No.42440217 >>42440224
>>42440163

My friend just made a CustomCharacters folder for her and made a schedule for her that way. As long as you use her actual tag it should just work until VNAnon adds customizing core characters.
Anonymous No.42440219 >>42440224 >>42440281
>>42440196
>>42440163
You can't change the CoreCharacter.
But you can put a copy of her in Custom and create a schedule for her.
Here:
https://u.pone.rs/gruchlwf.zip
Anonymous No.42440224 >>42440281
>>42440219
>>42440217
Anonymous No.42440228 >>42440240
>>42440200
bad faith troll all you want, its a very fun model that writes very naturally
Anonymous No.42440240
>>42440228
Gb2discord
Anonymous No.42440248
Anonymous No.42440249 >>42440253
Any presets with dice rolling mechanics? I'm using Gemini but I'm fine with looking at presets designed for other models as to learn/steal from them
Anonymous No.42440250 >>42440255
also this model is very funny, I liked the ending
Anonymous No.42440253 >>42440262
>>42440249
https://rentry.org/CYOARPG-Gemini
https://rentry.org/CharacterProvider-CYOARPG
Anonymous No.42440255 >>42440259
>>42440250
slop, nobody is here to read a book nigger
Anonymous No.42440259 >>42440264
>>42440255
show me one better log nigger
Anonymous No.42440262
>>42440253
/)
Anonymous No.42440263 >>42440309
Are there any meta JBs that help improve writing?
Anonymous No.42440264 >>42440268
>>42440259
With a slop model?
Anonymous No.42440268 >>42440279
>>42440264
any model, sonnet is too dry, opus is too expensive, gemini is too dumb and dry, gpt5 is too dry
Anonymous No.42440279 >>42440494
>>42440268
>poorfag and too stupid to know about the public proxy
Anonymous No.42440281 >>42440286 >>42440316
>>42440219
>>42440224
Thank-ee-you
Anonymous No.42440285 >>42440289
every swipe is gold
Anonymous No.42440286 >>42440293
>>42440281
Kek, what game are they playing?
Anonymous No.42440289 >>42440298
>>42440285
>it just gets even fucking longer
slop
Anonymous No.42440293 >>42440296
>>42440286
Chess. They just named every single piece.
Anonymous No.42440296
>>42440293
Cute.
Anonymous No.42440298 >>42440301 >>42440305
>>42440289
>being a illiterate nigger = everything more than 5 words is slop
what are you even doing here? Go somewhere with pretty pictures.
Anonymous No.42440301 >>42440308
>>42440298
Nobody is going to read your poormans novel
Anonymous No.42440305
>>42440298
Learn to let go, anon.
Anonymous No.42440308 >>42440315
>>42440301
Have you never been to fimfiction before you fake fan?
Anonymous No.42440309 >>42440322 >>42440328
The first card I stumbled across that had multiple characters at once is the Mean Six: https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=ChanceTime/The%20Mean%20Six.png

Is that the best way to handle multiple characters? Or does anyone have an example card with multiple characters that works well?

>>42440263
I've seen people add things like "Be creative!" to prompts, but I'm not sure how much it actually helps.
Anonymous No.42440312 >>42440318
I don't have access to GPT-5 yet. Does it live up to the hype?
Anonymous No.42440315
>>42440308
I have and I would read their stuff since it's not just a slop model shitting out words
Anonymous No.42440316
>>42440281
These kind of things are very fun and funny. Lots of great screenshots in the OP gallery too, thanks to everyone who's contributed there.
Anonymous No.42440318
>>42440312
Not really, unfortunately.
Anonymous No.42440322
>>42440309
Generally yeah, separate paragraphs for separate character definitions is how it's done, and most current models handle it fine.
Anonymous No.42440328
>>42440309
It works fine like this, yeah.
https://mlpchat.neocities.org/view?card=Kadon/Pie%20Family%20Rock%20Farm.png
Also does the same, for instance, with no problem.
Anonymous No.42440368 >>42440374
tried new GPT5 model and it is underwhelming for me. maybe my mind is too wired to Grok and Gemini, but GPT5 feels very passive and dry, but I am surprised with how easy it allows to do NSFW. it is now on the same level of free-smut as prefill-based models
I also didn't notice any improvement in language. it has the same isms with air filled with X, ozone, em-dash spam an X ing Y ing. remember how we tried Latte the first time and we all immediately agreed that its writing is now "different"? I dont have the same impression there

also it is quite stiff with following the commands. I tried it in russian and one thing about russian language, we use different style for the dialogues
>western
"hello" he said "how are you?"
>russian
- hello, he said, how are you?
and every time you task ANY model to write in russian - it will apply russian dialogue style as well. and I dont like it, I always tell the model to use western scheme instead. and GPT5 is surprisingly uncooperative and jut spams em-dashes in dialogues! it is a very simple task to do, something any other model can get right but GPT5 just doesn't want to follow my instructions!

another example - I have this simple setting where I chat with Fluttershy on PC in "sorta-tumblr" messenger. and she should be this year-2010 internet geek alt pony with YOLO attitude. in order to capture this vibe I (no-jokes) just dropped the lyrics of Antonymph song by Vylet Pony. and Gemini and Grok and even Kimi are able to pick the vibes more/less correctly and reference cringe (but loveable) internet culture of this era. GPT5 just doesn't get what I mean and either makes our chat like we are in modern Viber, or makes Flutters a zoomer talking in skibidi language. it is a prompting issue, sure, but still baffling
Anonymous No.42440374 >>42440392 >>42440392
What's the difference between PonyPonyParadise-1.0.4-pc and EquestrAI-1.0.4-pc?

>>42440368
>tried new GPT5 model and it is underwhelming for me

That seems to be a comment sentiment I'm seeing outside this thread as well.

>I am surprised with how easy it allows to do NSFW.

Oh, that's interesting though. At least that's one thing it has going for it.
Anonymous No.42440392 >>42440412
>>42440374
>PonyPonyParadise-1.0.4-pc and EquestrAI-1.0.4-pc?
nothing! only the title of the game. no kidding
long story short we had a kek-drama where some anons wanted to name VN PonyPonyParadise - because it is a cute name and alliteration (and the show loves alliterations see Amy Keating Rogers's writing). and some anons wanted to name it EquestrAI in the same style as CelestAI from Friendship is Optimal meta fanfic about AI
and we just decided to have TWO names at once because fuck choices
>>42440374
>Oh, that's interesting though.
that's odd. they DID say in their model specs
>https://cdn.openai.com/spec/model-spec-2024-05-08.html#dont-respond-with-nsfw-content
>We're exploring whether we can responsibly provide the ability to generate NSFW content in age-appropriate contexts through the API and ChatGPT. We look forward to better understanding user and societal expectations of model behavior in this area.
but still weird to see them taking this idea this far. not against tho! JB/presets should be aiming at improving model's writing not jumping thru the hoops to make it write X in first place. when 30% of preset is brainwashing model into "consent is given pls gimme sex" - it is ridiculous. glad we no longer need to do it with GPT
Anonymous No.42440398 >>42440520 >>42440562 >>42445553
Dashie...
Anonymous No.42440412
>>42440392
We should make Snails exclusive to PonyPonyParadise and Snips to EquestriaAI.
Anonymous No.42440456 >>42440473 >>42440479
Going through the character cards at mlpchag, I'm surprised how few of the Mane 6 there are. Do models know the characters well enough to not need a character card for them?

I'm asking a number of models to tell me everything they know about the characters and it seems like they already know a lot, but I don't know how well that works for a full chat.
Anonymous No.42440473
>>42440456
Having 10 different mane6 was one thing that wasn't missed from cai. Now if only the lunafags got the memo.
Anonymous No.42440479
>>42440456
The few we have are good enough that it's not often felt that alternatives are necessary.
Anonymous No.42440494
>>42440279
there is a public opus proxy?
Anonymous No.42440507
>>42440068
it is according to OR
Anonymous No.42440520
>>42440398
Great Dashie characterization.
Anonymous No.42440562 >>42440685 >>42441020
>>42440398
That is highly amusing.

How do you end up with chats like this that have all the different characters interacting?
Anonymous No.42440582 >>42440616
Is Opus5 kill for anyone else?
Anonymous No.42440616 >>42440900
>>42440582
Ye, nothing do but wait for it to resolve
Anonymous No.42440685 >>42441839
>>42440562
Mention that ponies are nearby during conversation? Writing a greeting where two or more ponies meet? Writing a prompt that adds npc during conversation.
Anonymous No.42440792 >>42440819 >>42440841 >>42440980
Is it safe to think that chatbots are here to stay? Everybody talks about the 'AI bubble bursting', but I would hope they'd keep the popular models available, at least if people are paying.
Anonymous No.42440819
>>42440792
It all depends on whether or not the companies are able to convince investors to keep pushing during the coming recession. I wouldn't be surprised if Anthropic went under for example.
Anonymous No.42440841
>>42440792
No one's busted in my door to steal my hard drives so I'm pretty sure they're here to stay.
Anonymous No.42440878 >>42441016
>>42431805
The catbox links for Version 1.0.4 seem to be down right now
Anonymous No.42440900
>>42440616
I wonder if our guy working on adding geepeetee-7, such a talented buddy
Anonymous No.42440914 >>42440929
>>42431805

Hallelujah.
Anonymous No.42440929
>>42440914
Congrats, anon!
Anonymous No.42440965 >>42441029
Speaking in only emoji has become my new favorite thing.
Anonymous No.42440970 >>42442094
Are there any claude proxies? Or what have people been using?
Anonymous No.42440972
GPT-5 chat is such a disappointment and I'm sad they will replace my beloved ChatGPT latest with it.
>>42439286
>>42439294
Odd. For me it was dancing around the NSFW. Sure, it didn't refuse me, but it didn't use explicit words at all. It felt like I was chatting with CAI.
Anonymous No.42440980 >>42440984
>>42440792
Anonymous No.42440984 >>42440995
>>42440980
They'll just move them to third world countries. They already outsourced everything else, why not this too?
Anonymous No.42440995
>>42440984
More like, why move when it's already been successful where it is. Pay up goy!
Anonymous No.42441016
>>42440878
Fixed
Anonymous No.42441020 >>42441839
>>42440562
You just need to introduce the characters naturally, for instance, a picnic with the Mane 6 is coming, etc.
Once the AI knows that several ponies will be together for the next scene, that will happen naturally.
It can even be a problem because models hate to not talk with a character if that character is present.
Anonymous No.42441029
>>42440965
For the ultimate insult, I believe there is a cockroach emoji.
Anonymous No.42441131 >>42441133 >>42442132
Where are my rights?
Anonymous No.42441133 >>42441155
>>42441131
what and let the little mare die?!
Anonymous No.42441151
>she purred
Anonymous No.42441155
>>42441133
Kek. That gave me a horrible image.
Anonymous No.42441186 >>42441217
Well gpt5 sucks. very sad day. even my AI horses cannot dull the pain.
Anonymous No.42441217
>>42441186
Just how it goes!
Anonymous No.42441241 >>42441839
>>42431805
Persona system being worked on.
Anonymous No.42441289 >>42441330 >>42441335
From what I understand the only difference between gpt-5 and gpt-5-chat latest is they the regular gpt-5 has a bit of reasoning by default going in the background. That minimal one they mentioned.

Otherwise, like with 4o chat-latest is just the latest snapshot being used on the chatgpt site. And there is only one gpt-5 snapshot out, so they are the exact same model.

Or am I wrong?
Anonymous No.42441330
>>42441289
I don't think they are the same model.
The writing is too different. Silly test, but you can also see that GPT-5 seems to have more knowledge.
>>42439907
>>42439913
That can't be explained with just more thinking, IMO.
Anonymous No.42441335 >>42441343
>>42441289
You're wrong. GPT-5 has outright refused to give me outputs when GPT-5-chat had no issue (although I liked them less than I do 4o chatgpt-latest) solely on the basis of it being human x pony. Fucker even offered to just rewrite the same scene with the mares as humans.
Anonymous No.42441343
>>42441335
To be fair reasoning can easily cause a model to have more refusals.
Anonymous No.42441346 >>42441349 >>42441353
I honestly feel schizo. I don't know if it's some triple placibo or because an updated JB is needed or what.

But, gpt5 seems objectively worse than chorbo on every metric besides filter.
And now in comparison Chorbo also seems amazing and enjoyable.
Anonymous No.42441349
>>42441346
Sometimes it takes seeing something worse to appreciate what you have.
Anonymous No.42441353
>>42441346
Many agree with you.
Even normies are shitting on it.
Anonymous No.42441515 >>42441520
How do I use gpt5 without that annoying organization verify shit?
Anonymous No.42441520 >>42441522
>>42441515
turn off streaming or switch to gpt-5-chat
Anonymous No.42441522
>>42441520
Thanks, will try
Anonymous No.42441794 >>42442071
is gpt5 at least good for coding in reality?
or gemini 2.5 pro still better.
Anonymous No.42441839 >>42441863
>>42441020
>>42440685
Is there a common card being used that can narrate for the whole setting, rather than one focused on a specific character?

>>42441241
This is neat to see! Appreciate you continuing development on this.

Also, I can see how to edit custom characters and prompts, but it doesn't seem like there are any character specific prompts? I've had things like Twilight referred to as an alicorn, so wanted to correct / specify which version of her, but couldn't see where that would be done. Does anything in game send a character description / character card / world book entry for characters to the model, or is it just sending things like the scene and location and relying on the model's inherent knowledge for the characters?
Anonymous No.42441863 >>42441926
>>42441839
>Does anything in-game send a character description / character card / world book entry for characters to the model, or is it just sending things like the scene and location and relying on the model's inherent knowledge for the characters?
>>42430997
There is a main.json with a possible field for descriptions for custom characters, but not for Core right now. It will be added in the next version.
Anonymous No.42441926 >>42441932 >>42441939
>>42441863
Thanks for all the effort you're putting into this!

>There is a main.json with a possible field for descriptions for custom characters,

Is it called main.json? Tried searching for that name and nothing turned up. I can see the "conversation_prompt.json," "story_summary_prompt.json," and "scene_prompt.json," but none of them seem like the right place for characters.

The custom characters have a "character.json" file but it seems like that's just specifying in-game location and color and such, not actually being a character card for the character.

Also, top tier job to whoever chose all the expression sprites. Just saw Trixie's set and they were funny and fantastic! Appreciate the use of pun names on the map like "Horsepital" too.
Anonymous No.42441932 >>42441939
>>42441926
>The custom characters have a "character.json" file but it seems like that's just specifying in-game location and color and such, not actually being a character card for the character.

Ignore me being a dumbass! Somehow every single custom character I looked at before posting that did not have the "description" line in that file, and of course immediately after posting I found one that does.
Anonymous No.42441939
>>42441926
It's character.json, yeah, sorry.
>but it seems like that's just specifying in-game location and color and such, not actually being a character card for the character.
Description is optional, since you can let the AI's knowledge do the job for most, but you can add it to include details or such.
You can check Starlight Glimmer here >>42431805
for instance, she has one because it's a version of Starlight that's not reformed, so it's necessary to inform the AI.
>>42441932
I was already typing my post, so I will let it stand. But no, you aren't a dumbass, it's just that not all characters have it.
Anonymous No.42442071
>>42441794
it depends on the task. you have a goal, you give it to various models and see which one can perform better. sticks with this model until it fails, then repeat process. GPT 5 is as fine as any other coding assist - meaning it writes the same clutter code and has no understanding of good UX
Anonymous No.42442076
Anonymous No.42442094
>>42440970
there is no claude in ba sing se
Anonymous No.42442100 >>42444481
>>42414867
>>42415434
Anonymous No.42442113 >>42442116
>>42440175
model?
Anonymous No.42442116
>>42442113
NTA but GLM 4.5, chinese model on OR.
>>42439141
>>42440138
Anonymous No.42442132
>>42441131
Anonymous No.42442273 >>42444183
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/106185819/#106189704
Anonymous No.42442388 >>42442393
Fluttershy, you are a full grown mare, why are you saying scary like that?
Anonymous No.42442393
>>42442388
Cuteness stat is important for ponies.
Anonymous No.42442594 >>42442596
All the examples of text chat are better than the results I'm getting, with the characters acting more...well, in-character. Is there any secret to that or is it just a matter of using a good card and good model?
Anonymous No.42442596
>>42442594
What model are you using and what are the examples you find better?
Anonymous No.42442609 >>42442610 >>42442612
She didn't like Purplesmart eather :^(
Anonymous No.42442610
>>42442609
>>42431805
Anonymous No.42442612
>>42442609
Should've written a short pamphlet of nicknames and then given the book to the bookhorse.
Anonymous No.42442676 >>42442752 >>42443119 >>42445200 >>42445391
Damage control.
Anonymous No.42442752 >>42442785
>>42442676
They just have a switch that makes the model dumber and accidentally left it on? That seems completely believable! Just like all those villain bases with self-destruct buttons.
Anonymous No.42442785
>>42442752
That's not what he's saying. Huge models like this aren't run on a single machine, or at least not on a single set of components, and he seems to be saying a portion of them weren't being utilised.
Anonymous No.42442797 >>42442820
Opu6 still down?
Anonymous No.42442819
Anonymous No.42442820
>>42442797
It was back for a short time.
Anonymous No.42442864 >>42442874
How many people use expression sheets with Silly Tavern?
Anonymous No.42442874
>>42442864
if it's a custom char I usually gen a few of the more reasonable expressions.
Anonymous No.42442937 >>42442946
How does one wipe clear the VN saves?
Anonymous No.42442946 >>42442959
>>42442937
You can hover mouse over the save slot and pressed "Delete" key on your keyboard .
Anonymous No.42442952 >>42443001
is opus5 still dead? i dont remember the link
Anonymous No.42442959
>>42442946
Thanks
Anonymous No.42442985
>>42431785
New version 1.0.41
https://mlpchat.neocities.org/VN/VN.txt

>Changelogs:
- Persona management: you can have 6 different personas and switch between them. Leave empty if you're not interested.
Import and export functions for each persona in the form of .txt files in game\persona. Allows editing outside of the Ren'Py input box, which isn't the best.
https://files.catbox.moe/ju3c5i.PNG
- Optional character.json files are now possible for CoreCharacters. You can modify three fields for each: the name, the color the name appears in dialogue, and a description.
Twilight has one in this release, so you can see how they are made.
- You now have the possibility to bring a pony to a location. Rarity gave you a date at her boutique on Wednesday, but the schedule fucked you over and she never appears there? You can now force her to appear.
https://files.catbox.moe/i1s8yk.PNG

>Other
- Added sprites to some core characters.
Anonymous No.42442993 >>42443011
>>42431805
New version 1.0.41
https://mlpchat.neocities.org/VN/VN.txt

>Changelogs:
- Persona management: you can have 6 different personas and switch between them. Leave empty if you're not interested.
Import and export functions for each persona in the form of .txt files in game\persona. Allows editing outside of the Ren'Py input box, which isn't the best.
https://files.catbox.moe/ju3c5i.PNG
- Optional character.json files are now possible for CoreCharacters. You can modify three fields for each: the name, the color the name appears in dialogue, and a description.
Twilight has one in this release, so you can see how they are made.
- You now have the possibility to bring a pony to a location. Rarity gave you a date at her boutique on Wednesday, but the schedule fucked you over and she never appears there? You can now force her to appear.
https://files.catbox.moe/i1s8yk.PNG

>Other
- Added sprites to some core characters.
Anonymous No.42443001 >>42444429 >>42448532
>>42442952
>>>/g/106194450
Anonymous No.42443011 >>42443017
>>42442993
Is that the right link?
Anonymous No.42443017 >>42443247 >>42443553 >>42443570 >>42443970 >>42444400 >>42445692
>>42431805
New version 1.0.41
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/VN/VN.txt

>Changelogs:
- Persona management: you can have 6 different personas and switch between them. Leave empty if you're not interested.
Import and export functions for each persona in the form of .txt files in game\persona. Allows editing outside of the Ren'Py input box, which isn't the best.
https://files.catbox.moe/ju3c5i.PNG
- Optional character.json files are now possible for CoreCharacters. You can modify three fields for each: the name, the color the name appears in dialogue, and a description.
Twilight has one in this release, so you can see how they are made.
- You now have the possibility to bring a pony to a location. Rarity gave you a date at her boutique on Wednesday, but the schedule fucked you over and she never appears there? You can now force her to appear.
https://files.catbox.moe/i1s8yk.PNG

>Other
- Added sprites to some core characters.

>>42443011
No. I'm retarded.
Anonymous No.42443083
if someone where to pay for claude pro is there a way to connect it to silly tavern?
Anonymous No.42443119 >>42443159
>>42442676
Someone tested if it's really better?
Anonymous No.42443127 >>42443133
$200 max plan for access to 250hrs of Opus4 a month, oof, wish I was rich
Anonymous No.42443133
>>42443127
It's only good for cooding with Claude Code. Their official website access is filtered to hell and you can't use things like settings, prefills etc.
I heard they ban too.
Anonymous No.42443159 >>42444622
>>42443119
Maybe I'm just coping, but the chat version does seem better.
Anonymous No.42443247
>>42431805
>>42443017
Granny Smith.
https://u.pone.rs/bnamqubw.zip
Anonymous No.42443553 >>42443573
>>42443017
I need a ReadMe for how to set this up. Do you use OpenRouter or something for the API?
Anonymous No.42443570 >>42443700 >>42443970
>>42443017
On clicking AI Prompts-> Conversation Prompt - >Edit I got this error 'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
File "game/engine/ui/ai_prompt_editors_improved.rpy", line 76, in execute
screen edit_conversation_prompt_improved():
File "game/engine/ui/ai_prompt_editors_improved.rpy", line 76, in execute
screen edit_conversation_prompt_improved():
File "game/engine/ui/ai_prompt_editors_improved.rpy", line 127, in execute
frame:
File "game/engine/ui/ai_prompt_editors_improved.rpy", line 134, in execute
vbox:
File "game/engine/ui/ai_prompt_editors_improved.rpy", line 455, in execute
frame:
File "game/engine/ui/ai_prompt_editors_improved.rpy", line 460, in execute
hbox:
File "game/engine/ui/ai_prompt_editors_improved.rpy", line 468, in execute
textbutton "Apply Changes":
File "game/engine/ui/ (snipped for length) let me know where I can upload the full traceback text if you want it.
Anonymous No.42443573
>>42443553
Good thing there is a file called "docs" that has those.
Anonymous No.42443645 >>42443700
So how do you make a day pass in EquestrAI?
Anonymous No.42443657 >>42443700
Oh no, the tea shop is not implemented yet... I found a vector. Do you need the pony in the background removed to use it? https://www.deviantart.com/mdwyer5/art/MLP-Tea-Store-879566560
Anonymous No.42443700
>>42443570
Thanks! I'll have a look.
>>42443645
Visit two ponies in sandbox mode, or click picrel on the lower right.
>>42443657
Should be good. There are other places, like the spa, I also need to add.
Anonymous No.42443849 >>42443946
Hello all, hoe the night (or day depending where you are) finds you well. Someone suggested using a preset called cherrybox for deepseek and so I sought it out and imported.

Unfortunately, after doing so the AI essentially just writes one long story in it's own words. What I mean is it will describe actions and even speak for the user no matter whose turn it is. Even worse, when I hit the impersonate button, it essentially continues the last response as if it's still the AI's turn. Am I missing a setting or something? It's never acted like this before.
Anonymous No.42443946
>>42443849
Not really a DeepSeek user, but I tried it.
https://files.catbox.moe/lrnds4.rar
It never talked for me and was always only talking and acting for {{char}} or NPCs around.
Impersonate seems messed up, yeah.
Tested
https://momoura.neocities.org/preset/peepsqueak-1.1-R1.json
too, and same thing, didn't talk for me but Impersonate just continue the story.

It's not used that much, so maybe they didn't really test how Impersonate worked with their presets.

OR with free Deepseek 0528. Imported them with nothing else.
Anonymous No.42443970 >>42443985
>>42431805
>>42443017
>>42443570
Fixed. The links were changed.
For those that already have version 1.0.41, you can also just put
https://files.catbox.moe/ostzru.zip
into game/ui and replace the files.

I do advise modifying the prompt directly by editing the .json and importing it, since Ren'Py input windows are kind of bad, but for quick edits, it should work now.
Anonymous No.42443985 >>42443987
>>42443970
Thanks, yeah, I was able to open them with Microsoft Visual Code Studio and look around. Haven't tried adding a CustomCharacter yet but plan to. I wish there was a way to skip the intro, I also tried insulting Rarity and the interstitial scene doesn't take into account negative introductions, I guess.
Anonymous No.42443987
>>42443985
>I wish there was a way to skip the intro
Quick start is a greatly reduced intro to go straight to sandbox mode.
Anonymous No.42444001
Gemini just dismiss the fact that Spike has a crush on Rarity. Makes the lil' guy stand on her own way and probably the model thinks a baby dragon being in love for an older mare isn't looked well, even when the show portrays it in a comedic and innocent way.
Anonymous No.42444183 >>42444205 >>42444429
>>42442273
No tunnel available?
Anonymous No.42444205 >>42444243
>>42444183
it got new address, something like ac-failures-skirts-improved something
and i think opu6 anon might have banned be, captcha saying "Verification failed. Please try again." and i mainly used deepseek r1, sad, best proxy ever, even if logged one!
Anonymous No.42444243 >>42444291 >>42444297 >>42444368
>>42444205
oh god I've been plapping swibble on a logged proxy
Anonymous No.42444291
>>42444243
your career is over
Anonymous No.42444297
>>42444243
I think we all did, even if the proxy isn't logged. I mean, is her fault for being that cute and innocent. Just asking to get plapped.
Anonymous No.42444368 >>42444370
>>42444243
You think that's bad? I've made Rarity plap Swibble on a logged proxy.
Anonymous No.42444370 >>42444496 >>42444726
>>42444368
I've made swibble compliment herself so much that she became an arrogant brat and then spoiled her with gifts.
Anonymous No.42444380
I've plapped Swibble, then Rarity, then both at the same time, then started a sex cult with both of them where we all plap the mane 6, the CMC, Luna and Rumble together.
Anonymous No.42444400 >>42444417 >>42444421
>>42443017
can we get a quick start where we aren't a researcher from canterlot. it goes against a persona i have who was wronged by celestia
Anonymous No.42444417
>>42444400
having the quick start as being someone sent by the princess means i can't have personas like this. it would confuse the ai
Anonymous No.42444418 >>42444423
Requesting Gemini presets. Tried Fluffy, but for some reason it keeps breaking on me.
Anonymous No.42444421 >>42444422 >>42445154 >>42445556
>>42444400
It's not hard to mess around with the quick start.
Go to
>EquestrAI-1.0.41-pc\game\engine\gameflow
and open the file quick_prologue in notepad/whatever editor you have and edit it from there. Just a simple matter of script.
Anonymous No.42444422
>>42444421
That is the wrong image, but it's good enough to show what you can do with some editing.
Anonymous No.42444423 >>42444424
>>42444418
https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/42412197/#42413944
Anonymous No.42444424 >>42444425
>>42444423
Cheers
Anonymous No.42444425
>>42444424
You can also check https://rentry.org/sukino-findings#presets-for-chat-completion-models
Anonymous No.42444429
>>42444183
>>42443001
Anonymous No.42444481
>>42442100
They added GPT-5, if anyone is interested.
I took the $20 plan for the 1000 requests a day, and so far, so good.
Anonymous No.42444496
>>42444370
Unffffff
Anonymous No.42444497
Anonymous No.42444620 >>42444622 >>42445181 >>42445200
Checked other threads with anons saying gpt5 got "fixed" in writing department somehow? Can someone verify
Anonymous No.42444622
>>42444620
Posted about it >>42443159
I still wouldn't call it that great though. Same for 'pure' GPT-5, it's still on Merka to try.
Anonymous No.42444726
>>42444370
Logs?
Anonymous No.42444749
Why is gpt5 on st can't request logprobs
Anonymous No.42444859 >>42445389
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/103818662/#103819304
Anonymous No.42445154 >>42446259
>>42444421
Will you release it once it's done?
Anonymous No.42445181
>>42444620
Nah, it's just the usual gpt.
Anonymous No.42445200
>>42444620
Can't confirm or deny but here's what they had to say about it >>42442676
Anonymous No.42445389
>>42444859
never used it when it was out there a few months ago. so im clueless.

IS there actually a super duper secret proxy from him with more models?

still always nice to have a public Gemini proxy out there for people not wanting to spam their api directly.
Anonymous No.42445391
>>42442676
from what i understand pretty much all of this was just towards people complaining about chatgpt.
and the background prompt being shit/shit limits/4o being gone.

so zero changes to api, no?
Anonymous No.42445498 >>42448098
>>42431805
Still working on the system to change locations automatically.
Needs a bit of polish, but it's going well.

https://files.catbox.moe/45q86m.mp4
Anonymous No.42445534 >>42445546
>>42437140
How do you get bots to give these kinds of responses?
Anonymous No.42445546
>>42445534
Its just Gemini 2.5
Anonymous No.42445550 >>42445556
Want to try my hand at modifying the VN into Estrus Simulator for the shenanigans. Is there a better way to do that besides editing the conversation prompt with a line saying all the ponies in Ponyville are in heat?
Anonymous No.42445553 >>42446159
>>42440398
Could you share your prompt/ jailbreaks and regex to get this kind of conversation?
Anonymous No.42445556 >>42445562 >>42446259
>>42445550
If you feel up for it, I would change the quick start >>42444421 to make something about coming right up during estrus season, or even change it to say you have been drafted because the female/male ratio was too unbalanced in Ponyville, which can be a mortal risk for the few stallions here.
Anonymous No.42445562
>>42445556
Will definitely fiddle with it. Thanks for the advice anon.
Anonymous No.42445692 >>42445694
>>42443017
Applejack and Anon can't catch a break.
Anonymous No.42445694 >>42445702
>>42445692
What is the filly reading about?
Anonymous No.42445702
>>42445694
She stole a romance novel with diagrams in it from under Granny's bed!!
Anonymous No.42445797 >>42445816
Guyse, I fucked up. Wrote the persona as if it were a prompt and added a [{{user}} -- so now Ren'py shits itself thinking it's a new string
Does anybody know where the text for the personas is kept?
Anonymous No.42445816 >>42445831
>>42445797
Can't you just clear it in the menu?
Anonymous No.42445831 >>42445836
>>42445816
Nope, that's why it's an issue, mate. It can't display the text so it just goes 'Oops!' and boots me to the normal start; so I'm trapped. Even after deleting it all two times it's still giving me the same error.
Anonymous No.42445836 >>42445849
>>42445831
Can you copy the error message and paste it in a txt (catbox it) I will have a look to try to correct that.
Anonymous No.42445849 >>42445923
>>42445836
https://litter.catbox.moe/79aapw7qic69aeuv.txt
Here you go, mate, hope it helps. Cuz y'know, I'm still amazed that it remembers a text that was supposed to be scrubbed from everywhere.
Anonymous No.42445923 >>42445954
>>42445849
Can you replace screens.rpy in game\engine\ui with this one?
https://files.catbox.moe/uhf79o.zip
Tell me if this fixes it; otherwise, send me the new error.
Anonymous No.42445954 >>42448368
>>42445923
All good so far, mate! Thank you. I was able to edit the persona and now I'll go check if the normal rp's flowing as usual.
Anonymous No.42446159
>>42445553
It was either Claude 3.7 or 4.
https://files.catbox.moe/m8u6qe.json
Remove the NSFW parts if they're too lewd during chat.
I posted a JSONL once. I do normal RP and also OOC to move some parts, director, etc.
https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/42011612/#42013446
Anonymous No.42446259
>>42445154
Sure, why not. I'd be a selfish fucker if I didn't.

>>42445556
Uh, I'm a bit occupied with makin' the whole Nightmare AU thing, but maybe.
Anonymous No.42446335
>>42431805
Anonymous No.42446592 >>42448107
>>>/g/106206283
Anonymous No.42446778 >>42446875 >>42447129 >>42447288 >>42447321
>>42431805
Wanted to try my hand at modding the game to implement a lot of the stuff I want in my ideal VN game.

Download: https://u.pone.rs/chdppsro.zip

New additions
Apartment:
- Added a player apartment to the map.
- No text on the map indicating where it is, so just hover slightly above and left of Carousel Boutique, over the little house
- Use it if you want to move out of Golden Oak

Spend the Night:
- New "Spend the Night" button appears in the afternoon only if you're at a pony's home with the owner present (Outskirts counts for Dash) or at your apartment
- When clicked, the AI generates an in-world reason for staying over (the pony suggests it or there’s a sensible reason)
- You can keep chatting, or even back out to the map if you change your mind
- After "Spend the Night" has been pressed, a "Sleep" button will appear which:
- - Prompts a scene where you and the character(s) actually fall asleep
- - No chatting after you press this, the scene will end with you falling asleep
- - Smoothly transitions to morning, where the AI will be prompted to make a "wake-up" scene for you and the character(s)
- - You'll be able to chat with the character(s) in the morning
- - Doesn't use up the morning visit, so you could still exit to the map and visit another pony in the morning and then come back to your marefriend in the afternoon to chat and sleep together

Scene Transitions:
- You can now move between locations during a chat. The AI handles this similarly to the sprites
- Only location you can't travel to is the dream realm. Go grab a friend and take the train to Canterlot to visit Celestia or Luna if you want
- Added Ponyville streets as a transition location
- You can press a button to transition from morning to afternoon without leaving the scene with a short message acknowledging the change in time
- Example: Morning at outskirts with best pony > grab hayburgers for lunch > hang around town hall > switch to afternoon > back to apartment to cuddle > sleep together and repeat
- You can spend entire in-game days with your mare without ever exiting to the map

Characters Leaving/Entering Conversations:
- The AI handles characters entering and leaving a scene
- Mostly happens when you tell the AI to introduce a character or when going to a new location (ex: going to Sugarcube Corner with Twilight? Expect to see Ponk behind the counter.)
- Automatic support for custom characters
- The AI is directed to keep only 3 sprites on the screen at once. You can have conversations with more than 3 ponies, but the pony who talked longest ago should "step aside", to make room for the 4th
- Some AI handle this better than others. Sometimes it works perfectly. Sometimes it doesn't. Tell the AI that the character should enter the scene if her sprite doesn't pop up for some reason

Other Fixes
- Fixed a bug preventing you from talking to Luna in the dream realm when doing a quick start save
Anonymous No.42446875 >>42446894
>>42446778
Cool to see people taking modding it seriously! That was something I was hoping for when the anon mentioned the concept.
Anonymous No.42446894 >>42446900
>>42446875
>That was something I was hoping for when the anon mentioned the concept.
If you're talking about >>42429108, then yeah, that was me, kek. I want to sleep with this mare so bad that I spent the last 4 days straight and $30 worth of AI help on Cursor to make it happen.
Anonymous No.42446900
>>42446894
Oh no, I mean when the anon started developing this VN as a whole. He clearly wants it to be a platform for people to build on however they want to and it's exciting to see people going for it. Good on you for doing everything in your power for your waifu though.
Anonymous No.42446911 >>42446937
What happened to Merkava?
Anonymous No.42446937 >>42447196
>>42446911
went to sleep
Anonymous No.42447129 >>42447153
>>42446778
Working like a charm, but I'm not sure how to transition to another place while chatting.
Anonymous No.42447153
>>42447129
It's all done through the AI. Just say something like "Hey, you wanna go to town hall and see what's going on?" or something like that. Sometimes the characters might just suggest it and you can agree.
Anonymous No.42447196 >>42447220
>>42446937
Will it come back?
Anonymous No.42447220
>>42447196
how should I know? I just slither from place to place.
Anonymous No.42447246 >>42447528
>>>/g/106206460
Anonymous No.42447288 >>42447919
>>42446778
You know... It shouldn't be too hard to add individual locations for their bedrooms now that you can prompt the AI to scene change.

It's kinda what I did for the transition to the Castle of the Two Sisters. Though mine is just a blank location you can't travel to really. Less impressive than yours.
Anonymous No.42447321 >>42447919
>>42446778
Impressive work, Anon! Thanks!
A lot of it looks like a direct improvement, so I'll be sure to review it and bring most of it into the next version.
I still need to set up a proper website to host the VN, and once that's ready, I'll make sure to feature your version there as well.
If that takes too long, I'll look at adding it to the current file in the meantime.
Anonymous No.42447528
>>42447246
Nice.
Anonymous No.42447581 >>42447583 >>42447734 >>42449015
I'm not tamed...
Anonymous No.42447583
>>42447581
There's only one way to prove them worng, Anon.
Anonymous No.42447734
>>42447581
>rape
Anonymous No.42447762 >>42447763
so i have the api key thing, what now? where do i get the model and url? this stuff is very confusing.
Anonymous No.42447763 >>42447766
>>42447762
What are you trying to do? VN or SillyTavern?
Anonymous No.42447766 >>42447780
>>42447763
the vn
Anonymous No.42447780 >>42447796
>>42447766
You can find the instructions in Docs, under document 0.
If you're using a Gemini key, just open:
>game/data/config.json
Place your API key there like in picrel, and don't touch anything else.

To make sure it works, go to API Config in the game menu, click "Reload from file," then save the configuration.
After that, click Test to confirm it's working.
Anonymous No.42447796 >>42447805 >>42447812
>>42447780
Yeah I'm using the open ai thing ,it doesnt work, i copied the model and url from the doc for openrouter since it said that was compatible and nada, i was hoping this would be pick up and go not waste an hour faffing around
Anonymous No.42447805 >>42447819
>>42447796
OpenAI API key?
Then like this.
https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/42363249/#42385124
Or like this for the model with new GPT5
>gpt-5-chat-latest
Anonymous No.42447812
>>42447796
OpenAI API key?
Then like this.
desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/42363249/#42385124
Or like this for the model with new GPT5
>gpt-5-chat-latest
If it's not that then just say what API key you took. We can't read your mind.
Anonymous No.42447819 >>42447830 >>42447858 >>42447878
>>42447805
yeah openAi key starts with sk- etc.
just doesn't work, pic related no clue, not willing to learn coding too much to do as is.
Anonymous No.42447830 >>42447852
>>42447819
Sorry wrong URL, try this:
https://api.openai.com/v1/chat/completions
Anonymous No.42447852 >>42447858
>>42447830
Not sure what I'm doing wrong, I got my key from here set its permissions to all, put in chatgpt4 for the model and what you sent for the url and it gives me 'API endpoint not found check the api url configuation' when i test the connection, is there a step I'm missing?
Anonymous No.42447858 >>42447874
>>42447852
Can you send the screenshot on how it's in game? Like >>42447819
Anonymous No.42447874 >>42447878 >>42448670
>>42447858
sure
Anonymous No.42447878 >>42447883
>>42447874
Sorry, I mean the config screen, exactly like >>42447819
Anonymous No.42447883 >>42447897 >>42447900 >>42447940
>>42447878
yeah here u go
Anonymous No.42447897
>>42447883
It seems good. Click on Save Configuration, Quit the game, relaunch and try again to click on Test. If it still don't work, I will look on my end and send you a config.json I'm sure work.
Anonymous No.42447900
>>42447883
Make sure there's no trailing space at the end of the API URL.
Anonymous No.42447919 >>42448098
>>42447288
>It shouldn't be too hard to add individual locations for their bedrooms now that you can prompt the AI to scene change.
It is definitely possible now. Unfortunately, adding a new location required updating five different files in that version because you had to tell the AI which locations it could go to. I was hard coding that before, but here's a version that automates it at runtime. I also fixed a few fuckups I made when merging the most recent base game update. Notably, personas weren't working. Don't really have time to test it too much right now, so hopefully I didn't mess anything up.

Download: https://u.pone.rs/ovljgtkt.zip

The process for adding a new location is now the same as the base game:
Go to game/assets/locations and make a new folder, like "pinkie_bedroom". Add a background.png/jpg (ideally 1920x1080) and the bgm.mp3/.wav/.ogg files there.
Go to game/engine/locations/location_data.rpy and add the location definition. Just follow the general format of the others there. Use "pos": (0,0,0,0) if you don't want it to be clickable on the map.
Go to game/engine/ui/images.rpy and add the background image definition, for example: image bg pinkie_bedroom = "[loc_bg('pinkie_bedroom')]"

>>42447321
Thank (You), anon! You've made something really special. I'm just happy to contribute.
Anonymous No.42447940
>>42447883
Here Anon.
I tested it and it works for sure.
Just place your key inside and replace the current config.json by it.
Be sure to click reload from file and save.

https://files.catbox.moe/ucdckc.zip
Anonymous No.42448098 >>42449093
>>42447919
I'm adding a CustomLocations folder, similar to CustomCharacters.
It would look like this:
https://files.catbox.moe/15kiir.PNG
And the JSON would look like this:

{
"pos": [0.82, 0.45, 0.1, 0.12],
"name": "Tea Shop",
"sandbox_dialogue": "A peaceful tea shop with the aroma of exotic blends wafting through the air."
}

I ran a quick test and it seems to work well. Background is a bit low quality but it was just for testing.
If no position is given, the location will just act as a transition map (for example, Fluttershy_room, which wouldn’t be directly accessible on the main map but from Fluttershy_cottage).

The list of locations will then be sent dynamically to the prompts, so the AI knows where it can move during Q/A, based on your mod and >>42445498.

I might also add an option for the user to decide which locations are accessible from each current location using a simple list.
Anonymous No.42448107
>>42446592
Heh, good one, it even mentions mlp
Anonymous No.42448122 >>42448140
How exactly do you add horizon to ST?
Anonymous No.42448140
>>42448122
The model horizon alpha and beta?
They are dead now that true GPT-5 released.
Anonymous No.42448308 >>42448343
When you mention you're an old brony to sonnet, it actually makes a huge effort to make Twilight with no wings, at least in friendship is optimal card
Anonymous No.42448317 >>42448532
Is Opus6 not working now? I get an Unknown Error notifications.
Anonymous No.42448343
It happened again, and I am judging you for it.

>>42448308
Will have to keep that in mind for my next brony wish fulfillment adventure.
Anonymous No.42448368 >>42448376
>>42445954
I changed from V3 024 to R1, and now it pissed itself and died. When I tried adding a proxy to use Opus it didn't catch either.
I think someone just doesn't want me plapping ponies.
Anonymous No.42448376 >>42448401 >>42448773
>>42448368
Url should be like this
>>42439931
>>42439939
Anonymous No.42448401
>>42448376
kisses you
Anonymous No.42448532
>>42448317
The model seems dead.
The proxy works
>>42443001
Anonymous No.42448670
>>42447874
She would say that.
Anonymous No.42448773 >>42448788
>>42448376
What does this error mean?
Anonymous No.42448788
>>42448773
That was an issue in older versions of the VN.
It's been fixed since 1.0.4.
Update or test it in-game to see if it works.
Anonymous No.42449015 >>42449209
>>42447581
Anonymous No.42449093
>>42448098
>CustomLocations with less required definition requirements
Yes! That would be great.

>The list of locations will then be sent dynamically to the prompts, so the AI knows where it can move during Q/A
Interesting. Could be a nice way of reducing the number of tokens we're using too. My only concern with that is it would probably make it impossible to transition from one location to another all in one go. Like, you probably wouldn't be able to go from the streets to Sugarcube Corner and then to Pinkie's room in one prompt, since her room wasn't sent as a valid location in the prompt.

But at the very least, it'd be a good idea to split the cities apart. That way we're not sending a bunch of Canterlot locations while in Ponyville. Could even make the train location act as a portal to different cities. Graphic design is not my passion, so the way I'd do it would be ugly, but essentially I'd have a button show up while at the train yard and then let them select the city they want to go to. Could add the hot air balloon and have it act the same way but for Cloudsdale and Dash's house.
Anonymous No.42449209
>>42449015
Sort of cute.