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Anonymous No.42498003
Canon of MLP - Theories Religion
In the decade-plus since My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic premiered, fans have fractured into theological camps over which seasons count as “true canon.” The fandom has seen splits driven by disagreements about authority, narrative interpretation, spiritual authenticity (tone), and even character redemption. Here’s a full taxonomy of MLP’s major “religious denominations.”

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Let’s begin with Zero (0)—the origin point, the true foundation. It’s a mistake, albeit a common one, to assume that One (1) marks the beginning. Mathematically and philosophically, Zero is the true genesis. It represents the tabula rasa, the reset—a pure state untouched by precedent. From zero, one can construct something meaningful without inherited distortions. It's the untainted essence, the primordial core. In this sense, zero embodies the raw conceptual clarity behind Faust’s original vision. It neither dilutes nor exaggerates her intent; it simply expresses it with crystalline precision. Zero is unfiltered, unapologetic, and essential.

Then we encounter X—the variable, the wildcard. X is boundless. It can become anything; its potential is infinite. Where Zero embodies the core, X transcends it. It doesn’t just operate within Faust’s conceptual framework—it expands beyond it, exploring uncharted dimensions. X exists across timelines, across possibilities. It is mutable yet constant, rooted in potentiality and innovation. Imagine it as the Megaman of the narrative: adaptive, learning, evolving—redefining not only itself but the entire genre it inhabits. Season X is not merely another entry; it is a reinvention. It reflects, absorbs, and refines ideas with unprecedented creativity. It breaks conventions and builds anew.

Now we approach Negative One (-1)—a concept so abstract, so dissonant, that even someone as imaginatively unbound as myself can only theorize its nature. -1 is not merely an inversion of Faust’s values; it's a distortion, a cosmic parody that deconstructs rather than reflects. But to frame it as simply a "fanfiction" or a warped echo of her vision would be reductive. -1 resists understanding. It is the dark matter of this conceptual universe—implied, perhaps felt, but never truly grasped. It is alien not just in form, but in its very logic. It contorts reality in ways that defy reason, creating a disorienting, almost Lovecraftian experience. Season -1 is the incomprehensible void—an ontological anomaly whose very existence challenges the coherence of the framework itself.
Anonymous No.42498008
Season 0 Fans = GNOSTICS

>SACRED TEXTS:
The mythical "Season 0" — an abstract, unseen ur-season that exists only as pure concept or theoretical foundation.
>VIEW ON CANON:
Everything visible is a flawed reflection. The true essence of the show lies in the idea of Season 0 — the uncorrupted Zero Point. Faust's vision isn't the show itself, but the spark before it became show.
>CORE BELIEFS:
ZERO is the true beginning — the pleroma — untouched by execution or compromise.
The aired show is a lesser emanation. It is the Demiurge's work — a distortion.
Only through symbolic interpretation (aka reading the "chart") can truth be revealed.
Faust is a fallen Sophia figure — she tried to bring light but was bound by the material form.
Anything beyond Season 0 is already tainted by recursion, excess, and form.
>ATTITUDE TOWARDS OTHERS:
All other fans are blind literalists. You worship the product, not the Platonic form. You're watching shadows on the cave wall.


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Season X Fans = CHARISMATICS / PENTECOSTALS


>SACRED TEXTS:
Whatever season contains the spark — but especially "Season X", the avatar of creative chaos and reinvention.
VIEW ON CANON: Canon is ALIVE. The show evolves through new revelations. X is divine creativity — unpredictable, powerful, ever-changing.
>CORE BELIEFS:
X is the HOLY SPIRIT — it bends rules, genres, expectations.
Structure is a cage; growth is sacred. Innovation is godliness.
The show SHOULD reinvent itself — why not magical AI episodes or experimental animation?
Faust planted the seed, but X sets it on fire to grow a forest.
Stasis is sin. The show must transcend its genre, even its tone, to live.
>ATTITUDE TOWARDS OTHERS:
Traditionalists are stiff, joyless scribes. You're stuck in scripture while the spirit moves freely. X speaks in tongues. It learns, adapts, ascends.


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Season -1 Fans = APOCALYPTIC HERETICS / LOVECRAFTIAN CULTS


>SACRED TEXTS:
None. -1 is the anti-text — glimpses, glitches, corrupted episodes, and abominations. It's Pony Life as prophecy.
VIEW ON CANON: Canon is meaningless. -1 is the anti-show, an inversion of Faust's gospel. It is absurd, surreal, and terrifying. The end of narrative itself.
>CORE BELIEFS:
-1 is an unknowable abstraction — the Dark Matter of the fandom.
It turns the show inside out. Meaning breaks. Tone collapses. Characters dissolve into parody.
-1 isn’t bad writing — it’s anti-writing. A season made of cosmic recursion.
Pony Life isn’t a spinoff — it’s scripture written in madness.
To follow -1 is to accept that the show has already died and come back wrong.
>ATTITUDE TOWARDS OTHERS:
You're all pretending the beast hasn’t eaten the canon. You cling to lore while the walls melt around you. You will never understand the scream of Season -1.
Anonymous No.42498016
Mamma mia, here I go again
Anonymous No.42498030
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Season 1 Fans = Oriental Orthodox
>Sacred Texts:
Season 1 only - Lauren Faust’s direct creation, uncorrupted by outside influence.
>View on Canon:
All subsequent seasons are schismatic - they deviate from the holy tradition of grounded character-driven storytelling, tight moral fables, and minimalist world-building.
>Core Beliefs:
“Friendship is Magic” is a pure gospel: Conflict is interpersonal, not externalized into epic lore.
The Mane Six are saints in their rawest form: Their characterizations here are archetypal and untainted.
Faust is the Prophet: Her departure marks the fall of the “First Church of Pony.”
>Why They Reject Seasons 6–9:
Departure of the Prophet: Lauren Faust’s reduced involvement starting in Season 2 marks the severing of divine authorship. Season 2 is seen not as evolution, but as postlapsarian - a fall from the purity of the Edenic Season 1.
>Tone Drift Begins Immediately:
Season 2 introduces tonal experiments (e.g., "Lesson Zero," "The Return of Harmony") that Oriental Orthodox see as spiritually dissonant - more dramatic, less grounded, and edging toward spectacle over subtlety.

>Mythological Inflation Starts Here:
Discord, changelings, and prophecy begin to erode the minimalist, character-first world. These additions are viewed as the creeping apocrypha — flashy but faithless.

>Narrative Complexity Over Moral Simplicity:
Early episodes were about personal flaws and social learning. From Season 2 onward, conflicts become increasingly externalized and abstract - removing the introspective, parable-like quality of the gospel.

>Institutionalization of Friendship:
Starting in Season 2 and accelerating in later seasons, the gospel shifts from humble encounters to grand destinies. This undermines the core truth that friendship’s magic is in the mundane.

Attitude Toward Later Fans: Viewed as well-meaning but tragically apostate. Later seasons feel like Gnostic gospels - bizarre, elaborate, and spiritually misaligned.
(1/5)
Anonymous No.42498032
Seasons 1–2 Fans (excluding Canterlot Wedding) = Eastern Orthodox
>Sacred Texts:
Seasons 1 and 2 - considered the full “Faustian Canon,” even though she stepped back midway through Season 2.
>View on Canon:
Season 2 is acceptable because it still reflects Faust's direct theological influence and doesn't break tone or structure. Later seasons represent a departure from both the letter and spirit of the original message.
>Core Beliefs:
Season 2 is a necessary epilogue: Discord’s introduction and Luna’s development are accepted as deepening the theology.
The introduction of a 3rd alicorn princess plus Twilight herself becoming one was viewed as heretical, against Faust’s vision.
>Liturgical continuity matters:
The tone, animation, and morality remain pure here - past this point, Hasbro’s influence becomes too visible.
Post-Season 2 episodes are creeping Westernization - aesthetically louder, spiritually thinner.
No reformation needed: Change is not inherently good; fidelity to the earliest teachings is paramount.

>Why They Reject Seasons 3–9:
>Reveal of 3rd Alicorn Princess (Season 2 Finale):
The sudden introduction of Princess Cadance is viewed as a theological aberration - an unsanctioned saint with no spiritual lineage. Her existence complicates the divine order Faust originally established.
>Twilight’s Coronation (Season 3 Finale):
The ascension of Twilight to princesshood is the original schism. It represents a doctrinal rupture — elevating hierarchy over humility, destiny over growth. For Eastern Orthodox fans, it’s like adding an ecumenical council that was never ratified.
>Canonization Without Council:
Later showrunners and plot directions lack apostolic consensus. The Eastern Orthodox tradition respects Season 2 because Faust’s “spiritual DNA” is traceable. Season 3 and beyond lack that pedigree.
>Uncanonical Liturgical Reform:
Songs become more Broadway-style, the visuals more polished, and the tone more comedic — signaling liturgical drift. Form overwhelms spirit.
>Sacramental Overreach:
The Tree of Harmony, magical maps, and cutie mark missions create a theology of destiny rather than choice — Eastern Orthodox theology emphasizes synergy, not determinism. Free will, not divine choreography.
>Starlight’s Shortcut to Grace:
Her sudden redemption is a case study in unconciliar forgiveness. The absence of repentance rituals, community reconciliation, or penance is spiritually untenable. Grace must be earned through struggle and humility.

Attitude Toward Catholics (S1–5 fans): Sympathetic but suspicious of creeping doctrinal expansion.
(2/5)
Anonymous No.42498035
Seasons 1–5 Fans (excluding Season 5 finale) = Roman Catholics
>Sacred Texts:
Seasons 1 through 5 - a balance of traditionalism and carefully authorized evolution.
>View on Canon:
The post-Faustian church is still valid when led by competent showrunners (e.g., McCarthy and Thiessen). But after Season 5, the narrative church falls into doctrinal confusion, and lost its apostolic succession with the loss of the original staff.
>Core Beliefs:
Authority matters: As long as the showrunners have narrative “apostolic succession,” changes are valid - even necessary.
>Legitimate creative succession:
Even after Faust left, the show's “church fathers” (Meghan McCarthy, Amy Keating Rogers) maintained continuity and tone.

Season 5 is the Vatican II moment: Some modernization (Friendship Map, Castle), but still rooted in tradition.

Why They Reject Seasons 6–9:
>Breakdown of Authority:
Showrunner changes and Hasbro's increasing involvement fracture the show's moral leadership. No more centralized “magisterium” to interpret the gospel of friendship.
>Lore Inflation:
Later seasons introduce too many ancient villains, magical items, and contrived prophecies. These feel like apocryphal additions to the canon — lacking context or sacred weight.
>Tone Dilution:
Early seasons emphasized subtle emotional lessons. By Season 6, tone becomes cartoonish, frenetic, and self-aware in a way that undercuts sincerity.
>Character Drift:
Main characters act inconsistently — Pinkie becomes louder, Twilight becomes a headmistress instead of a disciple.

>Rejection of Starlight Glimmer’s Redemption:
Theological Inconsistency: Her arc is viewed as a shortcut - going from dictator to friend in a single episode without meaningful atonement.
No Moral Cost: Her crimes (enslaving a village, manipulating time, nearly destroying the world) are brushed aside with minimal consequence.
Undermines Canonical Redemption Arcs: Her instant absolution trivializes the moral journeys of characters like Luna, Discord, or even Trixie. She is a false saint - canonized without pilgrimage or penance.

Attitude Toward Mainline Protestants: Kindred spirits with softer boundaries — but at risk of liberalizing too far.
(3/5)
Anonymous No.42498036
Seasons 1–7 Fans = Mainline Protestants

Sacred Texts: Seasons 1 through 7 - the arc is still coherent, spiritual, and evolving without breaking from tradition.

View on Canon:
These fans support the show's evolution, including major character additions and tonal shifts, as long as the spiritual center holds. Season 7 marks the last moment where continuity, tone, and character integrity remain in harmony. After Season 7, the gospel becomes commodified. The magic of friendship is bureaucratized, and the show starts preaching instead of teaching.

Core Beliefs:
Reform within limits: MLP should reflect changing times and themes, but still honor its foundational truths.
Secondary characters deserve arcs: Starlight’s continued development, the return of ancient heroes (the Pillars), and Twilight’s mentorship are seen as genuine growth. Starlight is a valid character with real growth.
Season 7 as a fitting finale: It closes key arcs (Starswirl, Twilight’s leadership journey) and spiritually resolves many threads.

Why They Reject Seasons 8–9:
The School of Friendship: A clear metaphor for institutional decay — moral lessons are now classroom material, stripping them of heart.
Narrative Exhaustion: The Mane Six's development has plateaued, and new arcs feel contrived.
Young Six = Canonical Mission Drift: The Young Six, while diverse and well-intentioned, shift focus from the Mane Six too abruptly. It feels like passing the torch to unbaptized successors. Introducing a new “student generation” of heroes is akin to a second Pentecost no one asked for.

Season 9 = Apocalyptic Confusion:
Discord’s deception in the Grogar plot is seen as an unforgivable retcon, violating years of character work. It’s a canonical betrayal, not a twist.
Theological Overproduction:
Too many finales, villains, and dramatic swings. Season 9 tries to be Revelation but ends up as a rushed Left Behind.

Attitude Toward Evangelicals: Respect the enthusiasm, but fear it legitimizes shallow spiritual interpretations (aka bad episodes). “Bless their hearts”.
(4/5)
Anonymous No.42498041
Seasons 1–9 Fans = Evangelicals
Sacred Texts: The whole show — from Faust to the finale. All of it is valid scripture. All nine seasons — yes, even the controversial ones — are spiritually nourishing.
>View on Canon:
What matters most is the message, not who delivers it. The gospel of friendship can be spoken by Alicorns or yaks, in Season 1 or Season 9. God speaks through rocks and ponies alike.
>Core Beliefs:
Every generation needs its own magic. The Young Six are not replacements — they’re heirs to the spirit of harmony.
>Twilight’s ascension is symbolic:
From student to teacher, her journey mirrors spiritual maturity, culminating in her becoming the embodiment of harmony.
>The Finale is Biblical:
Seeing the characters age, grow, and pass the torch is part of the story’s spiritual realism. The epilogue is Revelation - not because it ends with fireworks, but because it promises continuity and legacy.
Redemption is universal. Even villains like Discord, Starlight, Tempest, and Cozy Glow deserve compassion - no sin is too great to be forgiven.


Attitude Toward Traditionalists:
They’re stuck in the past — friendship is a living faith, not a dusty scroll. Friendship didn’t end. It evolved. Every generation — from Twilight to Luster Dawn — inherits the light. Season 9 doesn’t close the book, it writes a new chapter.
(5/5)


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So, to recap: Denominations at a Glance

Oriental Orthodox Canon: Season 1 only
Focus: Absolute purity of Faust’s original vision — grounded storytelling, interpersonal conflict, minimalist world-building.

Eastern Orthodox Canon: Seasons 1–2 (excluding the Season 2 finale)
Focus: Fidelity to tone and structure; cautious acceptance of Discord and Luna arcs; rejection of early signs of mythological inflation.

Roman Catholics Canon: Seasons 1–5 (excluding the Season 5 finale)
Focus: Authorized doctrinal growth; showrunner continuity maintains legitimacy until the loss of narrative authority.

Mainline Protestants Canon: Seasons 1–7
Focus: Evolving tradition; embraces character arcs like Starlight’s, but rejects later seasons as bureaucratic and bloated.

Evangelicals Canon: Seasons 1–9
Focus: Living faith; values the moral message over structure, embracing all characters and redemptions as spiritually valid.
Anonymous No.42498927 >>42499586 >>42500425
G4 could've been the best show ever.
Anonymous No.42499586
>>42498927
-of MLP
-of MLP, right?
Anonymous No.42500381
Bumping interesting thread
Anonymous No.42500425
>>42498927
It was.