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This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
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Previous: >>126672011

I WILL NOT BE SEATED NEXT TO THIS EMISSARY OF SATAN

Figaro - Vienna/E. Kleiber (Decca) or Conservatoire/Rosbaud (EMI)
Don Giovanni - Philharmonia/Giulini (EMI)
Cosi fan - Philharmonia/Karajan (EMI) or Philharmonia/Böhm (EMI)
Magic Flute - Philharmonia/Klemperer (EMI) or Wunderlich/Berlin/Böhm (DG)

Let me keep the Bach‘s St. John, St. Matthew, Mass in B Minor snd Musical Offering and I’m good.

Let me keep Bach's Goldberg Variations, WTC 1&2 and I'm good.

For me it's the cantatas and the keyboard works.

Torelli
Corelli

Bach was an atheist. They never tell you this.

Gaillard's Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDC2loowlAs&list=OLAK5uy_msEHafke5L4uJ0hqTOczzOZ5LPDbLjbzQ&index=26

now playing, continuing with the Colin Davis/BSO Sibelius cycle

Sibelius: Pohjola's Daughter, Op. 49
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxQyea0tob4&list=OLAK5uy_lIyeQi32WxtqljX2CvYTTrFnT9Wd6yUM4&index=7

start of Sibelius: Symphony No. 3 in C Major, Op. 52
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=411etvB-2yc&list=OLAK5uy_lIyeQi32WxtqljX2CvYTTrFnT9Wd6yUM4&index=18

start of Sibelius: Symphony No. 4 in A Minor, Op. 63
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMzJR7gjuK4&list=OLAK5uy_lIyeQi32WxtqljX2CvYTTrFnT9Wd6yUM4&index=20

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lIyeQi32WxtqljX2CvYTTrFnT9Wd6yUM4

Atheists didn't even exist in Bach's time. It was impossible to be one

>>126693276
Torelli > Corelli

>>126693313
Atheism has existed since Ancient Greece you stupid fuck

>>126693295
he was a gnostic actually

>>126693425
Nope, not in the way we mean it kid. You shouldn't be so indiginant when you're wrong it's not a good look

>>126693728
He was a frying pan?

Not another thread of Bach's overrated harmonic soup

>>126693295
holy shit i love atheists now

>>126693738
Oh god, I'm talking to a stupid. Greek atheism is a known phenomenon, Diagoras of Melos was the first man in recorded history to reject existence of gods. Atheism was much more common than you think, it's just nobody ever admitted they were an atheist, or they died an early death (Diagoras).
>>126693728
I don't think so. He was likely an atheist, as most great composers, thinkers or historic figures were.

The worst thing insane dogmatic theism did to white man was cause 'atheism' to mutate into an equally insane dogmatism that bears almost no resemblance to what it purports to describe.

>>126693803
Take it to //www.reddit.com/r/atheism/ kid and no they weren't

>>126693803
>I don't think so
if you know gnostic symbolism you can see it everywhere in his work, most composers were enlightened individuals.

>>126693841
You're misunderstanding the entire discussion. I'm not even against religion, you just like assuming things.
>>126693842
>no they weren't
I just provided you a name of someone who rejected existence of gods. Ergo it did exist. I accept your concession.

guys, can we stick to classical music please, thank you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTo3vMAULbw
a 90 minute Gilels piano recital

>Oh god, I'm talking to a stupid. [insert something copy and pasted from the wikipedia article on atheism]

>>126693900
what the fuck? how did you get this image of me? okay i take it back, sorry.

>>126693870
Not sure what this had to with classical perhapys try https://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/

Maybe Zizek has a point when he says that Hanns Eisler is underrated. I've heard only a few bits, and they weren't bad at all.

>>126693917
Not sure what this has to do with 4chan maybe try >>>/r/ym/ instead?

>>126693870
Anyone who thinks atheism or theism has any strict relationship to artistic accomplishment, or that atheism and theism mean the same things to pagan cultures as Christian/post-Christian cultures, is absolutely a dogmatist. And yes, disbelief in the gods was considered an offence in antiquity, but this has basically nothing to do with the word 'atheism' as it is commonly used by culturally Christian people.

>>126693931
I'm seeing a lot of Communist when I look this up

>>126693936
At least they discuss music there

>>126693931
He has a nice Requiem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrB1_vn2L30

now playing

first four pieces to get you hooked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95jAxsRtWJY&list=OLAK5uy_lF_CjNW0uTQgOyP3Ekl3Kgzfh8WYC73qo&index=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1Rxj6JJ4TE&list=OLAK5uy_lF_CjNW0uTQgOyP3Ekl3Kgzfh8WYC73qo&index=3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UPKfAW94SQ&list=OLAK5uy_lF_CjNW0uTQgOyP3Ekl3Kgzfh8WYC73qo&index=4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aThjU95-mD4&list=OLAK5uy_lF_CjNW0uTQgOyP3Ekl3Kgzfh8WYC73qo&index=5

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lF_CjNW0uTQgOyP3Ekl3Kgzfh8WYC73qo

>In celebration of the Liszt year 2011, multi-award winning pianist Nelson Freire has personally selected the repertoire for his latest recording - his contribution to the anniversary of the pianist-composer's birth in 1811. The very personal selection includes Liszt showpieces such as the Harmonies du soir (12 ètudes d'exécution transcendante), the Hungarian Rhapsodies and Liebestrëume.

I recommend checking out more of Nelson Freire's recordings, he is a fantastic pianist. He's got a lot of Chopin, some Brahms, some Schumann, some Beethoven, and more.

>>126693950
I think I got bit by a WereIndian or something

>>126693943
>Anyone who thinks atheism or theism has any strict relationship to artistic accomplishment,
Well then, thank god I'm not a dogmatist. I agree with you. See, better ask before assuming something retarded.
>the same things to pagan cultures as Christian/post-Christian cultures
?
>but this has basically nothing to do with the word 'atheism'
It is literal definition of atheism. If tipping fedora redditor is what you imagine when you think of the term "atheist", I'm sorry to inform your brainrotten slop-fed brain that it has nothing to fedors nor reddit. Now fuck off >>>/b/

>>126693950
>His father was an atheist of Jewish descent
>he studied from 1919 to 1923 under Arnold Schoenberg
>the composer was accused of being "the Karl Marx of music" and the chief Soviet agent in Hollywood
>He had been a heavy smoker since he was a child, smoking up to 100 cigarettes a day on occasion

Sounds based enough. Gonna investigate.

>>126693997
>If tipping fedora redditor is what you imagine when you think of the term "atheist"
It is literal definition of atheism.

best Berlioz cycle?

>>126694015
Not by any reliable dictionary.

>>126694022
What do you mean?

Favorite recording(s) of Brahms' late piano pieces, ops. 116-119? Katchen? Grimaud? Angelich? Hough? Lewis? Kovacevich? Couteau? other?

This Grimaud one is pretty nice, here, give it a listen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kng6YbZUvM&list=OLAK5uy_nmcwPbaAKESno7K2MooNGo2_xRPUqSdio&index=2

>>126694036
Any pianist that's performed all of them is to be discarded.

>>126694028
fuck, i meant complete Orchestral works collection, or just complete works if there is a good one.

>>126694036
Kovacevich is my go-to set. I also really like Gould's album of late pieces (yes, that's right).

>>126694060
Colin Davis (Philips) is a safe bet.

>tfw no one left to discuss Mahler and Brahms recordings and music with since sisterposter left
sigh

>>126693997
>He was likely an atheist, as most great composers, thinkers or historic figures were.
You stated that there is a relationship between artistic accomplishment pretty straightforwardly. I also did not mention fedoras. However, the 'atheism' of post-Christian cultures is a specific reaction to the personal God as a lawgiver in whom one has faith. 'Atheism vs. theism' is a social and practical matter in many pagan cultures as the gods manifest the power and culture of the people. This is why Christians were considered atheists by the Romans. This persists today in secularised pagan cultures like Japan whose transition into modernity didn't produce the same form of aggressive and discursive binary conflict of atheism and religion. It's easy for an 'atheist' by Christian standards to participate in an orthopraxic religion as a social matter; Christianity reproduces this only in its more pagan-like Catholic and Orthodox where you have 'cultural Catholics'. But these are despised by serious and dogmatic Christians.

>>126694083
*between atheism and

>>126694061
His set of Intermezzi?

>>126694083
>You stated that there is a relationship between artistic accomplishment pretty straightforwardly
Incorrect. I stated that there is a relationship between intelligence and atheism. Hence, the indirect relationship between atheism and artistic accomplishments. Stop putting words in my mouth.
And the term 'atheism' is not that complicated at all, irreligious and godless, non-believing people have existed since the religion became a thing. A cultural or religious interpretation of atheists or the term atheism itself really does not interest me.

Anyone familiar with this pianist, Kyoko Tabe? Just added a bunch of her recordings (ex. a large Schubert set, some Schumann, some Beethoven, and pic). Sadly her Brahms recording wasn't on YouTube Music.

Anyway, didn't know there was a piano version of Grieg's Peer Gynt and Holberg Suites, check this out

Peer Gynt Suite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBLLfK_oar0&list=OLAK5uy_lWXSfhJy_pKD6QSdZVWU47WtUPepFzOlY&index=1

Holberg Suite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t_6sXeQRC8&list=OLAK5uy_lWXSfhJy_pKD6QSdZVWU47WtUPepFzOlY&index=6

and then the recording has some of Grieg's Lyric Pieces too. Great stuff! Can't wait to check out her other recordings, especially the Schubert. Also, if anyone happens to have her recording of Brahms, if you could upload and share it, I'd be greatly appreciative :D

>>126694116
Yes.

>>126694072
If you want, I can tell you your taste in recordings is shit

>>126694135
lol tru

Hey, like or dislike, they always responded and were willing to discuss it

While you listened to frivolous surface level melody I studied the Harmony
While you frittered away your days seeking mere timbric novelty I practised Thoroughbass
While you wasted your days seeking unearned emotional gratification I mastered Species Counterpoint
And now, when the world is on fire and the RYMsisters are at the gates, you have the audacity to come to me for help?

>>126694149
I do both. Sounds like I'm the winner here

>>126694149
nice

>>126694146
They're too busy protesting outside the New York ICE office so they don't get deported back to their native Bolivia to post here

>>126694187
kek

>>126694122
>I stated that there is a relationship between intelligence and atheism
You actually did not state that as I quoted you directly. You post did not even mention intelligence.
>A cultural or religious interpretation of atheists or the term atheism itself really does not interest me.
Commenting on religion or atheism with no interest or understanding of what the words they have meant historically is precisely what makes your comments superficial and dogmatic. Your view cannot account for Christians being regarded as atheists. Socrates suffered similar accusations of atheism though he believed in his daemon. The accusation of 'atheism' tells you more about the nomos of the society in which it's being wielded than some stable concept of belief vs. nonbelief in a universal god or gods. Religion is simply too complex a phenomenon to be so reduced.

On the other hand, it's probably true that most great artists by nature are 'antinomian' in some sense. Often this correlates with what one society or another would call atheism. But it doesn't strictly overlap with atheist and it's misleading to conflate them.

>>126694220
>You actually did not state that as I quoted you directly
Neither did I state that atheism "has any strict relationship to artistic accomplishment, " (direct quotion from you). So again, stop putting words in my mouth.
>Commenting on religion or atheism with no interest or understanding of what the words they have meant historically
Etymologically it means without, or with no god, or simply godless. That's all there is to it.
>Christians being regarded as atheists.
Oh no, someone misused the term once in history, what a shocker!
I really don't care, not reading your pseudo historical slop further as it's making me nauseous.

>>126694260
If you're so confident that there is a relationship, direct or indirect, between atheism and musical accomplishment, I'm not sure why you're acting so tsundere and whining about being quoted directly on the matter.
>Etymologically
>misused
It's not a misuse. The entire conception of god and religion in classical antiquity is foreign to the biblical conception of God, which is the same one you possess and are insisting upon as universal. The fact that the etymological abstractions you cite could shore up your unilateral interpretation of the phenomenon of religion is itself a product of the historical circumstances you're dismissing.

The original Metal Machine Music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-yl4aI6xzU

>>126693297
Huh, this is an intriguing one. I like it more than her newer cycle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI-ArsZ-WdI&list=OLAK5uy_msEHafke5L4uJ0hqTOczzOZ5LPDbLjbzQ&index=10

>>126693295
erm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calov_Bible

>>126694315
>why you're acting so tsundere
This is appeal to emotion and not an argument. You're just replying to get the last say because there's literally nothing meaningful you've said in this discussion so far, so I'll let you do that.
>The entire conception of god and religion in classical antiquity is foreign to the biblical conception of God,
It's really not. Biblical conceptions are purely derived from antique, pagan conceptions, almost word by word. And fundamentally the conception of god is fundamentally the same and was always the same in every religion and every given point in history. The difference between an antique and modern man is not as great as your type of internet theologians suggest. Atheism simply means irreligiousness, and what defines "religion" in your religion (LOL) is nothing but a laughing matter to me, not a serious subject of discussion. If you had anything meaningful to say, you would argue that Diagoras was "ackshually not an atheist hehe" but as it is evident to both of us, you have no idea what you're babbling about. Go argue with ChatGPT, it's more in line with your takes.

>>126694583
>This is appeal to emotion and not an argument
As you made no argument I am under no obligation. You first implied that you did not posit a relationship between musical accomplishment and atheism, and then, when pressed with your own words quoted, clarified that the relationship was indirect while supplying the additional mediating factor of intelligence. I have freely acknowledged that there is a difference between an indirect and direct relationship, but the distinction was not clear in your initial remarks. I have done nothing besides this but quote your words back at you and further noted that it has made you upset.

It is once again disappointing that you immediately retreat to your dogmatic binary in which anyone who does not submit to your limited and Christianised understanding of religion is assumed to be an internet theologian, and it is also ironic that you accuse me of making no arguments when your post is just a string of insults. As I am not even personally religious, whatever definitions I might have are not even relevant to the discussion. I have not asserted that Diagoras or Socrates were not atheists; by the standards of Greek religion, I wholeheartedly affirm that they were atheists, though Socrates' 'atheism' would be unrecognisable to the contemporary person. The problem with your idea of religion in this context is that it is utterly useless in grasping the mind of ancient thinkers. Biblical religion perhaps resembled Greek religion in its early stages, but the moral monotheism which came to define it diverged significantly.

Best Scriabin interpreter?

>>126694861
Ignore everyone else, the answer is always Lettberg

>>126694861
Lettberg

Say her name, /classical/

>Not everybody was totally convinced by the premiere [of the second cello sonata op 99], given in Vienna by Hausmann and the composer in November 1886. ‘What is music, today, what is harmony, what is melody, what is rhythm, what is form’, wrote Hugo Wolf in the Wiener Salonblatt, ‘if this tohuwabohu [total chaos] is seriously accepted as music? If, however, Herr Dr Johannes Brahms is set on mystifying his worshippers with this newest work, if he is out to have some fun with their brainless veneration, then that is something else again, and we admire in Herr Brahms the greatest charlatan of this century and of all centuries to come.’
>Hmm … perhaps it’s no wonder that Wolf ended his days in a mental asylum.
ha holy shit

>>126693405
Torille > Torelli

>>126694861
Just so we're clear:

Symphonies, Rêverie, Sonatas & Vers La Flamme: Ashkenazy
Piano Concerto: Postnikova+Rozhdestvensky
Op 54: Lokalenkov+Golovschin
Op 60: Argerich+Abbado
Symphonic Allegro: Moscow Philharmonic+Golovschin
2 Piano Fantaisie: Ponti+Leonardi
Scherzo & Andante for string orchestra: Hamburg Strings+Preyss-Bato
Everything else piano solo: Dmitri Alexeev

>>126695195
Sweetie you forgot the Lettberg again. It's time to get back to the disciplinary chamber.

>>126695001
plap plap
get mystic

I regret having brought up Lettberg's set like two weeks ago so much

>>126692964 (OP)
What are the best recordings of these?
>Verdi's Requiem, Il trovatore, La traviata, Rigoletto, and any other operas you feel like recommending
>Bruckner's Te Deum
>Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture
>Ravel's Bolero
>Beethoven's Missa Solemnis
>Puccini's Turandot, Tosca, La bohème, and any other operas you feel like recommending
I usually just listen to these on youtube, but I want to get physical copies. I'm particularly interested in Te Deum, 1812, and to a lesser extent the operas.

>>126695387
>Verdi's Requiem
Claudio Abbado - Berliner Philharmoniker; Gheorghiu, Barcellona, Alagna, Konstantinov
>Beethoven's Missa Solemnis
Eugen Jochum, Agnes Giebel, Marga Höffgen, Ernst Haefliger, Karl Ridderbusch, Netherlands Radio Chorus & Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra
>Ravel's Bolero
Orchestre symphonique de Montréal, Charles Dutoit
Minnesota Orchestra, University Of Minnesota Brass Band, Antal Doráti
>Bruckner's Te Deum
Viener Singverein/Philharmoniker, Karajan

>>126695387
>Beethoven's Missa Solemnis
Szell/Cleveland

>>126695429
>Minnesota Orchestra, University Of Minnesota Brass Band, Antal Doráti
That was meant for
>Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture

>>126695429
>>126695443
also
>Wiener*

>>126695429
impressive, each of your recommendations is bad

>>126695461
cool

>>126695387
>I want to get physical copies
Lucky for you the Wiener Phil/Karajan Te Deum also comes with the best Brahms Requiem

best recording???

>>126695823
Karajan for all of those

>>126695823
It's one thing to ask for best recordings of a couple of works, but this is being a lazy fuck who asks too much.

>>126695823
Separate by composers and spread your request over the course of the thread and I might be inclined to help, you absolute nutjob

>>126695387
since someone already said Karajan for the Te Deum, try this one as an alternative
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9rHo8QV6FU&list=OLAK5uy_lMaVvMY_QwT5-RP1qaDWPjaZMrwR24ZhI&index=1

They (Matthew Best/Corydon Singers) also have great recordings of the rest of Bruckner's masses.

There's so many great recordings of Verdi's Requiem and each of them are somewhat different -- some go all out on the bombast, some go for more tranquility, some go more for reverence, some go more for a smooth, sonic delight, etc. For my desert island choice though, I'd go with Giulini/BPO (some think Giulini's Philharmonia is better tho).

Missa Solemnis, Karajan is my desert island choice, but don't sleep on Klemperer's for reverence and spirituality and Bernstein for maximum excitement. Oh, same for Bernstein's Verdi Requiem.

>>126695852
>>126695872
looks like I made my point
*runs away*

>>126695836
tru

>>126695923
Indeed, if it was your point to be an annoying cunt

Liszt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfdaQv1qpwI

Hewitt's Bach :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9yRPD9xsEk&list=OLAK5uy_lKhQS1LR5MRfGddW5F3VCa1dLr6PxAjf0&index=43
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlN4Ix-fmM0&list=OLAK5uy_lKhQS1LR5MRfGddW5F3VCa1dLr6PxAjf0&index=44

This is the feminine version of Richter's WTC I've been looking for. Tureck's comes close but the sound quality is too poor with the hiss. Nikolayeva's is her own thing.

>>126696034
>Bach on a post-1747 pianoforte
>feminine Bach

>>126696050
here you go, just for you <3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_cHR5gXZQQ&list=OLAK5uy_m3Wcw9eeZIXhPrvBZEoiE9Kc-08QGc8tA&index=12

The Brahms Violin Concerto mogs anything Wagner ever wrote.

>>126696197
>...Brahms...mogs anything Wagner ever wrote.
here, fixed that for ya

>>126696187
Thank you

>these runtimes
what a madman

In seriousness, this 8th isn't as good as his perfect one with the BPO, but it's pretty damn great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppsr9rkTxKQ&list=OLAK5uy_kr5uf3IVAouJC5B2ATqXixMby2v4hPq8o&index=33

Mozart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_ELXJNMIE8

>>126696272
might as well play a midi file

>>126695132
I think he might have a point

>>126696514
Yeah, Wolf was literally mentally ill

>>126696724
No about the cello Sonata 2 and Wolf was insane from Syphillis which after Brahms's death

>>126696772
I'm sure she is

>>126696783
wat?

>>126696827
haha cool

>A friend recalled that in August 1914, shortly after the outbreak of the First World War, he vented his spleen on Germany and German music:

>‘Ouf,’ he said with disgust, ‘those people drink whether they are thirsty or not! Everything with them is ‘en gros’. A theme must be long, regardless of its contents or value; the longer the better. Then another interminable episode and then another endless theme. Then, after sixteen quarts of beer, they begin a development so long, so long, that there is scarcely room in this house to hold it. Take, for instance, the symphonies of Mahler (which he, of course, pronounced Mal-air), with its thousand voices and whips, submarines and whatnot... Or Monsieur Strauss, who is clever in that he knows how to write nothingness itself... Well, my friend, with it all, their noise does not sound any louder than the finale to Beethoven’s Fifth, produced by a small orchestra with only the addition of a contrafagott!’

>>126697156
>(which he, of course, pronounced Mal-air)
Such a petty thing to point out. French people pronounce like french people. Just like how amerimutts butcher names like Dvořák or Janáček or even Bruch

>>126697156
he was, you realise, right

>>126697156
damn, what was DiCaprio's problem

>>126697223
i am, shall we say, not convinced

>>126697233
then you shall, so to speak, stay stoopid

>>126697156
sounds like ADHD

>>126694072
These are probably my two least favourite composers. I cannot derive unfiltered joy from the entirety of a single one of their compositions, there's always something that rubs me the wrong way or breaks my interest.

>>126697285
You have to be autistic to think that sounds like ADHD

>>126697302
do tell what that could have to do with autism

>>126695823
>mahler, shostakovich, brahms in the top 10
>only 1 bruckner and 1 sibelius in the top 20

>>126697333
sounds like a little bitch

>>126697350
I agree, Shostakovich is absolute garbage

>>126695823
>mfw i realise the first haydn is at number 33
>even prokofiev and rachmaninoff beat haydn

>>126697380
It is a trash list by and for ledditors

>>126697360
Debussy does yeah

>>126697402
How does one yeah?

>>126695836
most retarded post made since this site's conception

>>126697414
My lord I am certain it was a mere jest

damn I hate the Hagen in this. such a shame too because otherwise this Ring is pretty much perfect

>>126697423
how am I supposed to tell with all these retards running around

>>126697435
sounds like autism

>>126697428
You can have a brilliant Brunnhilde and Siegfried, but without a great Hagen, it all falls apart. Funny. He's basically the lynchpin of that opera.

>>126697447
What about the music?

>>126697386
Mahler is probably the most reddit composer in existence.

>>126697457
after Wagner

>>126697439
is this going to be the new spam

>>126697452
this genuinely might be a bot post with how little sense it makes

>>126697457
>>>/soc/

>>126697464
Wagner is probably the least reddit composer just going off how often he's mentioned on that site, and always with the caveat of discussing whether you can separate the art from the terrible, monstrous, inexplicably evil artist.

>>126697475
>asking about the importance of the music on a music thread is something so nonsensical only a bot would do it
fair

>>126697484
>how often he's mentioned on that site
I wouldn't know, since I'm not a ledditor, but I'll take your word for it, sister

>>126697488
anon was talking about music and you asked "what about the music", it's complete nonsense

>>126697517
>the singer is what makes or breaks the work
>what about the music
>NONSENSICAL NONSENSE! BOT!!! COMPLETE NONSENSICAL ROBOTICAL NONSENSE!!!!!
wagnertrannies I swear to Woten

>>126697452
I assume you're talking about the orchestral contribution. How much you value the orchestral contribution vs the singing is a matter of taste. For me, it's kinda 70-30 in opera. I can tolerate above average singing if the conductor is fantastic. However, if the conductor is mediocre it can only be saved by fantastic singing. Sometimes you get the best of both worlds, but usually once you get past the 1970s, you have to start making serious compromises in Wagner especially. Rattle has some fantastically conducted Wagner - a surprise for a conductor as boring as he is - but his recordings are tainted by ghastly singing.

solti best ring

>>126697528
...do you think singing isn't music or something? because that's retarded
though judging by how you completely sperged out there in your greentext, you probably ARE retarded

>judging by how you completely sperged out there in your greentext, you probably ARE retarded

>>126697507
I just searched it up. Mahler subreddit has 3k+ followers, meanwhile I don't even think Wagner has a subreddit. No need to get offended, it's just well known that Mahler is the favourite composer of redditors and teenagers, and you'll find that both are emotionally at the level of pubescents.

>>126697637
>No need to get offended
I'm pretty sure Wagner is dead

>>126697622
wojak

>>126697757
very observant, anon

>>126697700
I don't get the joke.

Mozart 3rd Piano sonata
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xRCGxDeKTTM&pp=ygUVTW96YXJ0IHBpYW5vIHNvbmF0YSAz

Parsifal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tristan & Isolde >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all other Wagner operas combined >>>> the sound of rats eating eachother alive inside a tin cage in an empty warehouse >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ring cycle

>>126697637
Wagner does indeed have a subreddit 1.7k

>>126697794
The sound of Rats eating each other alive in a tin cage in an empty warehouse is one of John Cage’s darker works for sure

>>126697637
>I just searched it up
Why lie? Not only is there a reddit for Wagner but judging by some other composers the number of wagnerians is closer to mahlerians than to any of these, by your metric, far more "reddit" composers. Why lie? Who hurt you?

>>126697794
why the hate for the Ring

>>126697900
Maybe I really like the sound of rats eating eachother alive inside a tin cage in an empty warehouse, you don't know me. Still, all the other post-Tannhauser operas are way better.

>>126697809
>>126697856
I repeatedly searched up r/wagner and couldn't find anything. Sorry for not being an expert on reddit. Also you have to look at frequency of posts. The last post on the Wagner subreddit was three years ago, so I'm sure most of the subscribers are people who have just heard of Wagner as a major composer but aren't particularly interested. Meanwhile the Mahler reddit seems to have a dedicated group of redditors posting. It's fair to say Mahler is favoured by those with the psychology of redditors.

>>126697954
>I repeatedly searched up r/wagner
Stop lying.
>Sorry for not being an expert on reddit
I literally typed "reddit wagner" on google. Stop lying.
>look at frequency of posts
You clearly know more about reddit than anyone else here right now if you even think I anyone cares to check on that. Stop lying.
>Mahler reddit seems to have a dedicated group of redditors posting
Impossible to tell unless you frequent the place. Stop lying.

>>126697979
>Stop lying.
>I literally typed "reddit wagner" on google. Stop lying.
Not all of our search engines work the same way. Maybe I'm retarded and scrolled past the first result, but I looked pretty hard and tried multiple searches and couldn't find one. It's ironic because I remember one existing years ago and the only post being there was a conspiracy post about the Rothschilds.

>You clearly know more about reddit
Wow, I did the exact same thing you just did except looked at the number of posts in the past month instead of the number of subscribers, I'm totally a reddit expert.

>Impossible to tell unless you frequent the place.
Again, scrolling down to look at how many posts have been made is an impossible thing to understand? You're retarded and I don't know why you're so bitter over the fact that Mahler is popular among redditors and teenagers. I mean, he's had two big Hollywood oscarbaits made in the past few years that centre around his music.

>>126697952
>Maybe I really like the sound of rats eating eachother alive inside a tin cage in an empty warehouse
recommended recordings?

>>126697954
>>126698021
lol ousted butthurt leddit wagnerite

>>126697380
>even prokofiev and rachmaninoff beat haydn
Rightfully so. Rach 2 and Proko 5 are excellent. Haydn's symphonies all sound like the same kindergarten music. He was better at piano sonatas.

>>126698024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ycu6uTPquc

>>126698025
Yeah I'm an expert on Mahler's reddit, because I need to be a regular there to see how many posts it has, despite not being a fan of Mahler. That makes so much sense. I also regularly hang around the Wagner reddit that hasn't had a post in three years. This is how I spend my time, I am functionally retarded and divide my time between looking at the same dead reddit on repeat or browsing the reddit of a composer I dislike 24/7. This is a totally realistic estimation of my life.

>>126698105
Doesn't it feel good to be honest for a change?

lol why is this redditor so mad

>>126698112
>>126698116
Predictable responses. Very low hanging fruit.

>>126698144
Spoken as an expert on predictable responses and low hanging fruit

>Haydn's symphonies all sound like the same kindergarten music
>Rach 2 and Proko 5 are excellent

Further proof that Haydn is underrated

Wagner and Haydn are my two favourite composers.

>>126698269
Oh well, we all have our blind spots. Or should I say deaf? Hahaha! Bit of musical humour for you.

>>126698281
That's how everyone responds when I tell them my favourite composers.

):

>>126698303
Haydn is absolutely wonderful through and through for what it's worth.

>>126698026
so true slavesister

>>126697794
why is parsifal always so highly rated? people just seem to take for granted the idea that it's wagner's best opera. even hurwitz talks about how it always gets the best performers because people have some strange duty to perform it well. when it first game out hanslick thought it showed signs of wagner getting old and drying up, and adorno said that its unique style is the result of elderly deterioration being turned into a virtue. i prefer the ring.

>>126698440
>Hanslick thought
>Adorno said
who gives a shit

1 hour gurnemanz aria

>>126698440
>Hanslick
>Adorno

into the trash it goes.

best asian composers?

>>126698629
Khachaturian

>>126697156
>Take, for instance, the symphonies of Mahler (which he, of course, pronounced Mal-air), with its thousand voices and whips, submarines and whatnot... Or Monsieur Strauss, who is clever in that he knows how to write nothingness itself...
that's funny

>>126698540
>>126698605
because they're jewish? i'm so tired of antisemites defending wagner from rightful criticism.

>>126698026
Spot on.

>>126698649
Because they're pseuds and posturing shitheads. Try again later, sweetie.

>>126697380
>>126698194
>>126698258

I've listened through Haydn's London symphonies several times and I can't ever recall a damn thing from them. Even now, listening to them is like listening to them for the first time. Nothing distinctive whatsoever, I'm sorry.

>>126698649
lol @ this fuck trying to turn the "these 'critics' don't know what they're talking about" narrative into "antisemites are defending wagner!!!"

>>126698649
I'm antisemitic but Hanslick and Adorno are the embodiment of every criticism the Nazis made against Jews but actually true.

>>126698668
*not*

>>126698664
Skill issue. Try to be better.

>>126698668
kill yourself

Further proof that Haydn is underrated

>>126698677
I said I'm not an antisemite. Schoenberg is an example of a Jewish music critic who actually knows what he's talking about.

>>126698689
kill yourself today

>>126698655
>>126698665
>>126698668
let me guess, handslick, schenker and adorno all favour a conservative aesthetic, and this is flawed, and they all just happen to be jewish? way to play into the wagnerian narritive. those who compose conservative music, and those who defend the tradition of classical music, if they're jewish then they just don't understand 'aryan vitality' and 'real inspiration'. they're just silly critics.

>>126698668
>I'm antisemitic
>>126698689
>I said I'm not an antisemite
bitch lay off the meth and go to bed

>>126698692
fuck off. Adorno being a retarded pseud has nothing to do with his Jewish ancestry.

>>126698696
>adorno
>conservative aesthetic
m8...
>>126698704
pill time

>>126698702
I made a typo. that shit happens now and then.

>>126698672
It's, dare I say, classical slop?

>>126698194
>>126698355
Thank you german slopsisters

>>126698971
>>126698194
>>126698355
Thank you krautslop sisters

>>126698975
German classical music is the standard by which all other types of classical music are measured. go and be a contrarian somewhere else.

>>126698303
>That's how everyone responds when I tell them my favorite composers.

who the fuck says liking Haydn and Wagner the most is a sign of bad taste? If anything it's the sign of being a patrician.

>>126698995
Russian classical music is the standard by which all other types of classical music are measured. go and be a contrarian somewhere else.

>>126698307
>>126699074
I think most people either like one but dislike the other. Or sometimes you get people who in general think not including Bach, Mozart or Beethoven is stupid.

>>126699098
>think not including Bach, Mozart or Beethoven is stupid.
Those are the people I call stupid.

>>126699093
bait should at least try to be believable.

>>126699190
sounds like you're a pleb who hasn't listened to enough Haydn and Wagner.

>>126698702
he literally corrected his post immediately
>>126698671

>>126699214
Glad it's not a bait then.

>>126698995
>>126699093
i like both

>>126694861
Sofronitsky, Richter, the list goes on...

>>126699302
I do too, but I like mocking tourist faggots lol

>>126695378
Good, you should. Next time you want to bring up an uninspired recording by a mediocre musician, you better think about the potential consequences.

>>126699307
what do you think of Alexeev? Sofronitsky is my favorite but i've been enjoying the Alexeev collection, not bad, but overall i prefer Sofronitsky, i haven't listened to much of Richter, just the recordings included in the Sofronitsky set, what are some good Richter Scriabin collections?

>>126695378
You're retarded. Lettberg is actually really good. Don't listen to the memes (either side, the notorious Sofronitsky gaycult have no idea what they're talking about). Enjoy Lettberg's collection. And in any case, you could've just downloaded digital like any non-retard, but you decided to buy immediatelly... And now you regret buying a great set. Stupidity comes with stupidity I guess.

now playing, continuing with the Rostropovich/LPO Tchaikovsky cycle

start of Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 2, Op. 17 "Little Russian"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HSqKO1rjuQ&list=OLAK5uy_kMEixP5emqmdqK0-QM7Z6F2tSGdvSpCew&index=6

start of Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 3, Op. 29 "Polish"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZNn7rpFFVc&list=OLAK5uy_kMEixP5emqmdqK0-QM7Z6F2tSGdvSpCew&index=9

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kMEixP5emqmdqK0-QM7Z6F2tSGdvSpCew

oh how I wish to live in the universe where every classical piece has a title. Beethoven's Symphony No. 3, "Heroic" or "Napoleon," or Brahms' Violin Concerto, "Transcendental Aesthetic" or something, and so on.

>>126699452
stop spamming /classical/ on your lunch breaks, Ivan.

>>126699483
:p

I should go to bed though. After these two symphonies, I swear!

>>126697293
If you can't even enjoy, I don't know, Brahms' Clarinet Quintet, well anon, I don't even wanna know ya

>>126699495
>a Californian

even worse.

>>126699468
gayy

>>126699325
Haven't listened to Alexeev yet. A good Richter recording is the Warsaw recital (Warsau 27.10.1972). Some of the best performances of the preludes (op. 37) and etudes (op. 42), as well as sonatas 2 and 5.
>>126699356
>Lettberg is actually really good
No, she's really not. She's far from "really good". She is competent, which isn't nearly enough for a good interpretation of Scriabin, who is a notoriously difficult composer to get right.
She doesn't understand him or his vision, and even if she did, she lacks the insane technique to pull it off. Her playing is sloppy, rhythmically imprecise, full of pedal smearing, and bizarre rubato choices, and the recording is absolutely dynamically flat, not to mention emotionally dead and utterly uninspired. It's mechanical playing, driven more by academic ambition. Recording the complete works might be impressive as a logistical feat, but it's not a mark of artistic quality.
And this has nothing to do with being in a "cult", as some of us can actually back up our arguments. Besides, there are dozens of great Scriabin recordings by pianists not named Sofronitsky, and Lettberg couldn't lace any of their shoes. Every time one of you bozos tries to defend her, you have nothing: no concrete analysis, no counterexamples, no real justification... just vague appeals to taste and juvenile insults.
If you genuinely think she's anywhere near "really good", either your ears aren't trained enough to hear what matters, or your taste is simply shit. Stop embarrassing yourself.

>>126699528
Borodin's String Quartet No. 2, "Pederasty"

>>126699356
>>126699541
Oh and he said "brought", not "bought".

>>126699525
Oregon or Washington, don't remember which

>>126699664
Still looking for someone to go see the Oregon Symphony or Seattle Symphony with me... we could be seeing the former perform Mahler 3 this weekend.

>>126699541
>No, she's really not. She's far from "really good". She is competent, which isn't nearly enough for a good...
Fag opinion.
>She doesn't understand him or his vision,
Nah, she plays most of Scriabin perfectly. She has the rubato, great dynamics, follows the score as it is intended, her voicing is spot on and phrasing is more beautiful than any other pianist's. On top of that she got out of her way to study Scriabin's music deeper and has a master's degree in that field. In other words, it's safe to say that Lettberg mogged fuck outta HISStrash like Sofronitsky and other tryhards like Alexeev. Richter doesn't quite get Scriabin the way Lettberg does, honestly no one does. Keep trying to be a contrarianfag though, I'm sure you'll achieve your mission one day! Good luck.
>either your ears aren't trained enough
Very ironic, baitsister.

>>126699693
Impressive unhinged mix of fanboy delusion and meme-speak. Practically parodies itself. I accept your concession.
>follows the score
>has a degree
Literally listing basic competence, as if that's artistry, kek.
But even she doesn't actually follow the score. Let's listen to that infamous sloppy fourths section again, shall we?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvz39UIADLE
>2:20
>6:58
Just terrible, lol!

>>126699693
>>126699724
Now, before you come back with another lazy "no u" non-post full of buzzwords, which will inevitably lead to a boring back and forth, let's try this exercise: show me an exceptionally-played section in a major piece by Lettberg. Just one. Anything. It's practically guaranteed that if any of the *actual* greats recorded that same piece, their version will outclass this non-entity's in technique, dynamics, inspiration, and taste.

Okay, wrap it up guys. By now we should have at least a high degree of certainty about the merits of Lettberg's Scriabin playing.

Final verdict please!

>>126699724
>fanboy
Coming from hissister with no taste in recordings holy shit. Kek
>that infamous sloppy fourths section again,
>2:20
Really good fourths. You can't meme this into being bad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvrEgVOmH9g
>01:33
Let's see... LOL. Voiced like an animal taking it up the ass. No grace, the last notes are butchered and it's played too loud. Meanwhile Lettberg plays it without accenting anything (score does not even suggest it), and creates an atmospheric passage effortlessly. Sofronitsky wishes he could play that fast. "Sloppy" is the cope for "i'm not used to it and my senile ears can't hear hiss or weird accents and also my diapers has to be changed!!!". Not to mention, you've never criticized anything else other than the (beautiful) fourths, and it's not something you came up with either, you just saw on YT comments and hopped on the train like a dumb normalfag you are.

>>126699762
How about you come up with a new material and stop shitting up the discussion. Lettberg is a reference recording, no one wants to hear your babbling. It's not like we haven't heard Sofronitsky, you're causing a ruckus with no apparent reason.

>>126699795
Like I said, there are dozens of pianists other than Sofronitsky that blow Lettberg out the water. Yes, even newer ones. Your reading comprehension is as shit as your taste.
>really good fourths
It's hilarious how a shit-for-ears deaf person has the nerve to judge others for their preferred recordings.
>>126699807
Got nothing? No? Not even one example? In that case, I accept your concession.

>>126699768
Final verdict:

>She is competent, which isn't nearly enough for a good interpretation of Scriabin, who is a notoriously difficult composer to get right.
She doesn't understand him or his vision, and even if she did, she lacks the insane technique to pull it off. Her playing is sloppy, rhythmically imprecise, full of pedal smearing, and bizarre rubato choices, and the recording is absolutely dynamically flat, not to mention emotionally dead and utterly uninspired. It's mechanical playing, driven more by academic ambition. Recording the complete works might be impressive as a logistical feat, but it's not a mark of artistic quality.

We can end this now, there's not much more to be said.

>>126699826
>there are dozens of pianists other than Sofronitsky
I accept your concession.
>shit-for-ears deaf person
>"NO U!" screaches a senile man in his diapers
Also, still waiting you to come up with a new material, the fourths are getting stale!

>>126699807
>>126699826
Oh and it's funny that you say "is a reference recording", as if that means anything. This is just appealing to popularity.
>no one wants to hear your babbling
You keep replying to me! I don't get the impression that you don't enjoy this at all.

all this over such a minor composer lmfao

>>126699848
>This is just appealing to popularity.
Much like you posting YT comments from famous critics? kek
>You keep replying to me!
And you keep replying to me! Funny how it works!

>>126699859
Alright, I'm gonna say this.

Minor composers >>> major composers

>>126699861
>Much like you posting YT comments from famous critics
The difference is that I posted comments from the internet to argue against the point that "nobody hears this stuff" other than me, which I demonstrated is false. Those screenshots were not IN PLACE of an actual argument, which you're incapable of disproving.
>And you keep replying to me!
I'm not the one who said anything about no one wanting to hear your babbling, though. I think people are enjoying your meltdown.

>>126699841
>no u
Richter, Horowitz, Feinberg, Gilels, Ashkenazy, Pogorelich, Szidon, Hamelin, the list goes on...
>new material
I really don't want to waste my time listening to her butcher Scriabin. Like I said, "her playing is sloppy, rhythmically imprecise, full of pedal smearing, and bizarre rubato choices, and the recording is absolutely dynamically flat, not to mention emotionally dead and utterly uninspired" applies to the entire recording.

I gave you one actual example and backed it up. You can't even give a single counterexample. I'm still waiting. Just one example of a decently-performed bit by her. One. Go ahead.

>>126699768
>wrap it up guys
>Final verdict please!
Okay, here it because no more needs to be said, and that clown has shit reading comprehension and no actual arguments
>She doesn't understand him or his vision, and even if she did, she lacks the insane technique to pull it off. Her playing is sloppy, rhythmically imprecise, full of pedal smearing, and bizarre rubato choices, and the recording is absolutely dynamically flat, not to mention emotionally dead and utterly uninspired. It's mechanical playing, driven more by academic ambition. Recording the complete works might be impressive as a logistical feat, but it's not a mark of artistic quality.

*mic drop*

>>126699885
>The difference
Is negligible. Formal definition of ad populum:
>In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum is a fallacious argument which is based on claiming a truth or affirming something is good or correct because many people think so.
To which you affirmed:
>to argue against the point that "nobody hears this stuff" other than me, which I demonstrated is false.
So basically, no difference. Nice try tho.
>I'm not the one who said anything about no one wanting to hear your babbling,
Glad you're enjoying my talks, but no one enjoys yours I assure you. Your sole argument has lost its merit once you mentioned it. Repeating it ad infinitum has no consequences, except revealing your asshurt, brainrotten and shitposting nature. You don't like music, you like shitposting.
>>no u
That is not a "no u" that is you conceeding to the fact that Sofronitsky is terrible. Other pianists have their own flaws.
>I really don't want to waste my time listening to her butcher Scriabin.
But you want to waste time arguing and pointing out the same singular "flaw" in her performance. Makes one wonder if you really just prefer typing and solving captchas over listening to music and having a meaningful discussion.
>I gave you one actual example
You just repeated the same shit. Even in the thread you will find same exact sequence of sentences in more than 1 post. You can't expect anyone to take you seriosly

Lettberg's Scriabin simply sounds soulless

Mozart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weQz5tGEKwE

>>126699970
>Sofronitsky is terrible
exactly what a soulless npc would say

>>126697791
There’s a moment around 7:00 where the it almost sounds like it’s going to go into something else but it doesn’t

>>126698021
>Not all of our search engines work the same way. Maybe I'm retarded and scrolled past the first result

Yeah…you’re lying or you are really dumb which is it sis?

You're arguing with someone who doesn't have an actual argument, it probably doesn't even listen to Scriabin. It seems like it's just here to shit up the thread and create conflict for the sake of it.

>>126699848
You're arguing with someone who doesn't have an actual argument, it probably doesn't even listen to Scriabin. It seems like it's just here to shit up the thread and create conflict for the sake of it.

>>126700567
Don’t play the player

>Sofronitsky
Hiss means Dismiss
Sorry kid, don’t make the rules

reminder that recording technology has not significantly improved since the 1930s.

>>126698021
i just checked and yeah you're right, last post was 3 years ago.

>>126701378
no that's actually true, search for it on Yandex and you get completely different results, this is common knowledge.

If Lettberg is such a great pianist then why hasn't she made any notable recordings besides her Scriabin set?

>>126701517
True but there’s a couple of Wagner threads on the classical right now
https://www.reddit.com/r/classicalmusic/

>>126701544
well yeah he's one of the most famous composers ever.

>>126701531
Don’t use a Russian search engine then. Especially since Wagner is also the name of a Russian mercenary group

>>126701458
all recordings had a level of hiss until the introduction of digital in in the early 1980s

simply comes with the territory of them being recorded on tape, you can easily remove the hiss from them if you want, but it tends to remove room ambiance

>>126701458
>>126701496
>>126701570
If it was recorded before 1960, I'm not listening. Simple as.

>>126701577
missing out. some of the best sounding stereo recordings were made in the mid to late 50s

>>126701577
pleb, the hiss is the best part

>sisterposter leaves
>within weeks the slavesisters are saying Rachmaninoff is better than Haydn and arguing about le schizopilled meme composer
He was right

>>126701600
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8ULhPboWng
based

I am brooding in darkest dreamscape as waves of Mysteriovs sonority lap against the shores of my sanity. Haunted fourths patter like the rain of desolation in my heart as I behold the uncomprehending world which elevates "Maria Lettberg" as an spellcaster worthy of Pater Scriabin's umbral magick. I, who am awakened to Brahman, should not expect the unenlightened to elaborate fluently upon Lord Scriabin's unreal musickal architecture, the black transformations which transfigure God, the coiled erotic suspension of his most mystick harmony... Hmph! Too chromatic for you, eh pussyeater? Get out of my sight! You fear pleasure, fear the will of the darkness within, fear SCRIABIN... The "Black Mass" awaits, attended by people who know what "s*x" is, and who can tell what kind of dark and schizophrenic entities might be summoned... Heh, don't blame me if you drop dead of your own orgasm...

Sofronitsky, Zhukov... My confederates in the occult Vedic brotherhood which preserved the true knowledge... They are dead and buried beneath the Venusberg of gynophilic modernity. Shatter! We will awaken from this dream soon, and this pale "reality" of yours will pay for what it has done...

>>126701608
>within weeks
No one was stopping anyone you retarded krautslopper. You just chose to notice it now.

>>126701651
so true slavesister

>>126701621
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM_kxkj5t1U
based

If ever a musician needed FOURTHS, it is Lettberg, and it is her misfortune that she always adapts her Scriabin to her own musical whim, arranging now SONATA NO. 8, now SONATA NO. 9 "BLACK MASS", to suit her own purpose. She needs FOURTHS to fill her through and through, FOURTHS who are driven by ecstasy to violate her and who are to her what man is to woman.

>>126701652
Thank you krautslop sister

>>126701608
>>126701651
I need to second this, they weren't stopping anything you doorknob. If anything the threads were considerably worse, literally just browse the archives
Captcha SA0AR

Although I dispute the notion that discussing the wrong composers or having the wrong opinions on ccomposers is a cause for concern

>>126701909
so true slavesister

>My fourths?
Sloppy
>My Pedal
Smeared
>My playing?
Rhythmically imprecise
>My recording?
Dynamically flat
>My Rubato choices?
Bizarre

>>126701570
Hiss means dismiss

>>126701621
>https://voca.ro/16ASrC3PwIhq
heh

>>126701621
>Mysteriovs
??
Do you mean the Mysterons from Captain Scarlett?

>>126701540
Has this simple question stumped the Lettbergers?

>>126702100
What would that need to be the case? Maybe she's done only one great work and there's nothing wrong with that, maybe she will make more in the future. Maybe she is truly great only with Scriabin.

>>126702128
>Maybe she is truly great only with Scriabin.
Apparently not

>>126702190
Her set is the reference recording for Scriabin

>Don't listen to that souless hi quality modern recording
>Take this hissing, scratchy, barely audible recording from Jewviniski recorded when Thomas Edison was still alive

>>126702128
Hah!! I scoff at you, whelp, for clinging to your facile daydreams of raspberrying a Scandinavian whore's saggy tits! If "Lettberg" possessed the powers to which you allude... heh, let's just say the piano repertoire would be a "solved game"... Only a fragment of the power invested in Lord Scriabin's defiled hand remains in this rotten modernity, and not a spark of it resides in Lettberg's fat fingers...

>>126702388
omg he is LITERALLY me

>>126702128
I can't think of many musicians who were only truly great at one thing (i.e. one single composer). Usually a sign of greatness in musicians is versatility

>>126702463
It'sperhaps an indication but not de facto evidence

>sleep for a few hours
>oh hey, 40 new posts in the /classical/ thread, let's see what's up :D
>more garbage
sigh

>>126702578
Stop insulting us anon. And there hasn't been new classical since about 1900

I wish I had discovered Schütz‘s passions before Bach‘s passions, because now it’s quite hard for me to appreciate Schütz‘s passions as I grew accustomed to the semi-operatic style of Bach.

>>126702491
Fair enough.

I know I prefer Ole Schmidts recordings of the Nielsen symphonies, and he hasn't made any other recordings of note.

Piano Sonata 3 Mozart
p1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QbESGQLN3k&list=PLDHp-dZKD6X3XAucgM42RdVh9O_GuhITR&index=9&ab_channel=GlennGould-Topic

2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mM5rjkI_t0&list=PLDHp-dZKD6X3XAucgM42RdVh9O_GuhITR&index=10&ab_channel=GlennGould-Topic

3.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpINE5etExA&list=PLDHp-dZKD6X3XAucgM42RdVh9O_GuhITR&index=7&ab_channel=GlennGould-Topic

It's clear now that Mozart should have just written two movements and it would be a stronger piece he shouldn't have felt obliged to put a third one in

>>126702578
It was much better when sisterposter, W poster, and Mahoposter were the thread personalities.

>>126702686
Nobody cares about the first six anyway

>>126702693
>sisterposter
>personality
pick one

>>126702706
seething slavecuck

>>126702700
Well they should because that 3 one is very nice,, the second movement especially

>>126702693

>>126702727
Obsessed

>>126702733
so true schizo sister

>>126693842
what a retarded little child you are
have fun never ever fully enjoying anything because you've been manipulated into 24/7 culture wars

>>126702693
Insomniacs will not be allowed here.

>>126702794
so true indian child

>looking up recordings of Beethoven 3
>scrolling
>see Celibidache's, curious at the length
>57 minutes, huh that doesn't seem too terribly slow, how long is this symphony usually again?
>scroll up to Karajan's recording
>57 minutes on the dot too
>oh wtf, Celibidache has a regular tempo for Beethoven? interesting
>press 'back' button to resume scrolling through recordings
>right before the page changes, my eye notices there's five movements on the Karajan recording
>it includes an 8 minute Egmont
oh lol, so 57 minutes for the Eroica is terribly slow

>>126702693
Maho also the name of this beach

>>126702802
>57 minutes for the Eroica
nightmarish

>>126694072
Brahms is a contender for my favourite composer so not really.

>>126702802
He's probably playing it in the correct Double Beat manner where everyone else is rushing

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>>126702744
Thank you Wagner sister

bump limit

>>126702907
Thank you bump limit sister

>>126702800
Thank you LARPsister

>>126703229
>>126702998
>>126702906
Are you this bored?

>>126703571
This is the same guy who spent months posting "insomnia at the psych ward" at the sisterposter so yeah.

>>126703592
They've gone mad with the lack of an opponent it would seem.

>>126703592
>>126703609
Literally only 1 of those was me >>126703229
Take your meds