Glazunov edition.
This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.
>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
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Listen to these everybody
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>>126712383interesting, makes sense
>>126711675>>126712414What do you think of Ormandy's Bruckner 4 and 5?
The Hammerklavier: more respected than loved
now playing
start of Beethoven: Diabelli Variations, Op. 120
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94H8CsNo_a0&list=OLAK5uy_lZ2eNLqUfNEqKz0UdGM0M52UEqznDScsw&index=1
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lZ2eNLqUfNEqKz0UdGM0M52UEqznDScsw
>>126712391 (OP)Best waltz, /classical/?
>>126712383Atonal music must be introduced gradually. First try tonal with some atonal elements, more mature works after that. It's acquired taste. If you jump straight into late Schoenberg after listening to Mozart exclusively you're gonna have a bad time.
>>126712458>What do you think of Ormandy's Bruckner 4 and 5?Both very good but perhaps not quite in my favorite tier.
>>126712511Just DL'd your link, much appreciated, as always.
>>126712497>Beethoven: Diabelli Variations, Op. 120Yeah, I don't get it.
>>126712506>Best waltz, /classicalLehar's Lustige Witwe.
>>126712506>Best waltz, /classical/?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmD6_o_XZp4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEQAmAbZoGU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIxpxU3Y5FI
Is dancing along to Bach's cello suites actually a thing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD4CPdFkXdU
(music doesn't start until like a minute in, oddly and awkwardly enough)
Queyras' Bach (2023 Sessions)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dMxbgIU44U&list=OLAK5uy_m1g2HAfPpniWQR8EzDDJZcflTE0jtiOp4&index=13
>>126712638I mean you can dance along to any music. But she looks like she's being tortured. I want to see her Rite of Spring.
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Philip Glass Akhnaten
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji6LTT6tLpQ&list=PLgZD-wYM2ETQtXCBMtFMGM32DY22jLohM&ab_channel=JDG
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feels like a Mahler 4 day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jwH0iHZjOk&list=OLAK5uy_kRxrUaRrecl3oHeBjb2aLTQzdTFx644kk&index=1
>>126712506>musical taste must be destroyed by modernism piece by piece, like how it was originally intended. First try mixing a little shit with your dish, and gradually add more shit afterwards. If you jump straight from healthy diet to gutter oils you're gonna have a bad time.
>>126712745Bruno Walter's recording isn't historically informed enough? He conducted the premiere, you know.
>>126712745Conceptually I like it, especially the attempt at utilizing string portamenti like it was in Mahler's day - one of a very few recordings to actually make such an attempt - but it's recorded quite poorly and the balance of the orchestra sounds bad.
>>126712785Walter has two recordings, I think the first one from the 30s is a pretty decent picture of what an idiomatic Mahler performance may have looked like in Mahler's day, although Walter was notably a very different conductor from Mahler. By the time he made his stereo remake, he had slowed down his tempi considerably, and adopted more modern sensibilities towards string fingering/bowing and adopted the American seating arrangement (1st and 2nd violins bunched together on the left). It's still a very good recording, with one of the best tam tam whacks in all of Mahler 9 history during the climax of the 1st movement, but it's not quite what Mahler may have heard during his time.
how do i into Prokofiev? any good box sets?
>>126713348Idk about boxsets but concertos 2-3.
Now Lisztening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uieqM9Zfqes&list=PLC0324E2JQQbp8DYeScHkrmNI24xZSn0q&ab_channel=LazarBerman-Topic
https://youtu.be/ylSrzlphVq0?si=p7zpfZzpdbykNmSU
This piece constantly reminds me that my existence has been nothing more than an elaborate dream or a haunting nightmare, wherein each of you exists merely as ephemeral constructs of my imagination, devoid of any true reality.
Coolest classical chord progression? IMO it's this one:
https://youtu.be/SpS4TuSx3DE?t=263
From shostakovichs second piano concerto (starting at 4:25)
>>126712758I embrace both musical expressions, yet I perceive atonal music as the higher form. It transcends the confines of the material realm, reaching into the realms of the divine. This music works beyond the veil of ordinary perception. it stands in stark contrast to your analogy, it is divine music, even if the composer is unaware of it's spiritual nature.
>"I have just finished my Eighth – it is the grandest thing I have done yet – and so peculiar in content and form that it is really impossible to write anything about it. Try to imagine the whole universe beginning to ring and resound. These are no longer human voices, but planets and suns revolving. – More when I see you."
>It needs to be stressed that Mahler was still describing his Eighth Symphony as his most important work a year after he had completed Das Lied von der Erde and shortly after he had put the finishing touches to the Ninth.
Was Mahler retarded? The Eighth as his crowning achievement, really?
listening to Sorabji:Opus Clavicembalisticum
>>126713824He's right. It's one of his greatest works for sure.
Ok here's my review
Sorabji: Shitrabji
>>126712506https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJbg9V2KnD8
>>126713824It's his Mass in B minor/Requiem/Missa Solemnis/German Requiem. Makes perfect sense to me. I'm sure all composers respect their choral music more than their solely orchestral.
>>126713348Just for ease, Neeme Jarvi has recorded just about everything Prokofiev wrote involving an orchestra, so that's a good and convenient place to start.
>>126712677Bach didn’t compose any pieces for the cello.
anybody have this recording they can upload and share? please and thank you
I need to hear how the idiosyncratic, Celibidache-of-the-piano Afanassiev performed this late piano pieces of Brahms.
>>126714129that slow middle section is just unbelieavable
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now playing, always a good day to relax with Chopin's Nocturnes, as I continue the search for the perfect recording
first four pieces
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOhQZ_m2Rxs&list=OLAK5uy_k5YYS7DsrOXdvWQlsbYO9pQ_9INk5XAuY&index=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr2zUtsiIBo&list=OLAK5uy_k5YYS7DsrOXdvWQlsbYO9pQ_9INk5XAuY&index=3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkfOA3zzsCQ&list=OLAK5uy_k5YYS7DsrOXdvWQlsbYO9pQ_9INk5XAuY&index=4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2zSLRYs_QM&list=OLAK5uy_k5YYS7DsrOXdvWQlsbYO9pQ_9INk5XAuY&index=4
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k5YYS7DsrOXdvWQlsbYO9pQ_9INk5XAuY
>In celebration of Chopin Year--2010 being the 200th birthday of the sui generis Polish genius--Nelson Freire, a Chopin interpreter of unique discernment, records the beloved Nocturnes. Freire is an acknowledged master of the keyboard. His recordings for Decca have won numerous awards, including a Gramophone Award, Diapason d'or, Grand Prix de l'Académie Charles Cros, and Choc du Monde de la musique. Freire is past winner of the Dinu Lipatti Medal, first prize winner of the International Vianna da Motta Competition and was France's Victoires de la Musique's "Soloist of the Year" in 2002. A pianist's pianist who's playing "sings" with every refinement of the school of bel canto, Nelson Freire is an artist whose profile deserves the attention of a wider classical market. In the opinion of The Dallas Morning News, "Any new Freire recording is virtually self-recommending." 2 CDs for the price of 1!
inb4 the
>Maria Joao Pires' Chopin Nocturnes set is all you need
anon
that one is great but one can't be too quick to proclaim they've seen the greenest grass they'll ever see without having ventured beyond their backyard, y'know?
>>126712638These are the type of people who insist that Bach was an atheist.
>>126714252Bach was an alien, which makes him an ayy-theist :^)
>>126714243There are some days when I think Chopin's Nocturnes may be the greatest solo piano work/cycle ever composed.
>>126714187That statement is incorrect. Johann Sebastian Bach did compose pieces for the cello, most notably the Six Suites for Solo Cello (BWV 1007-1012). These suites are considered some of the most important and influential works for the instrument.
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>>126712391 (OP)Wallpaper that someone just made on /wg/ earlier today.
Nothung
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Wallpaper that I just made.
>>126714682I've also got the same thing in 2560x1440, but it's too big to upload.
What is the best sounding digitization of a 78rpm record?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1KJdnkexw4
Wish Szell did a stereo recording of this symphony
Thoughts on Beinum?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol3UTMcpkpM
>>126712391 (OP)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sZQ0m5oKLc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGONxHnIWME
>>126714723So 78rpm records were pressed differently. Back in those days, they didn't have tape. Here's a good video on the process:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beMV5wcf0js
Most of the time, they had metal parts which contained the "data" for the music, and those metal parts would then be used to press onto a 78rpm record for playback. They were usually pressed onto shellac or lacquer. The metal parts are usually just called "metal masters."
Back in the LP era, there were efforts made by the record companies to transfer old recordings onto the new long playing record technology, since shellac/lacquer discs are terribly noisy. They would do so utilizing the metal masters, and then afterwards trash them. So a lot of metal masters are missing these days. In the rare case that they're still available, you can do a modern transfer and the quality is quite good compared to a transfer from a 78rpm record - especially in regards to surface noise and dynamics. Failing that, doing an LP transfer from a recording derived from a metal master is also fine, but there are also pretty good transfers of 78rpm recordings from masters of the craft like Ward Marston or Mark Obert-Thorn.
Here's an example of a transfer derived from a metal master. In this, it's the Busch Quartet playing Brahms' 2nd Piano Quartet:
https://litter.catbox.moe/lz3hv7gh38szeokt.mp3
and compare it to a transfer derived from an original shellac disc:
https://litter.catbox.moe/v5x9b4tj5yje2v0p.mp3
The frequency response may not be particularly higher in the first example, but comparing the two I think it's pretty clear which one is the easiest on the ears. The metal master derived transfer has a much lower surface noise and you can even make out the room ambiance quite a bit more.
So, my preference is for digitization derived from metal masters, followed by LPs derived from metal masters, followed by transfers from shellac. To be fair, modern shellac transfers are pretty good from the right source.
If I like Bruckner, what Wagner opera would I like the most? I know he liked Tristan Und Isolde but besides that one which are the most brucknerian in style?
>>126714850That's my favorite Bruckner 8th. In general I like Beinum a lot. Great Brahms, what little Mahler he conducted was great, great Debussy. He was certainly far more talented than Haitink and the musical world was worse off with his passing.
>>126714646Your statement is false. Assuming Bach wrote BWV 1007-1012 (which is not entirely certain owing to the absence of an autographed manuscript), the instrument he intended to perform on was certainly not the modern cello but rather the violoncello da spalla.
>>126714158The Missa Solemnis: more respected than loved
>>126714889Tristan, Parsifal, the Ring, and Lohengrin if you like earlier Bruckner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAFappcSn2Q
Pablo de Sarasate
https://youtu.be/QbcuA1DLHkE
What's your favorite Chopin Mazurka?
>>126713576for me it's ii9 - ii - IIIb9.
>>126715128Everyone here loves it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_tDMwc_WEY
This is great. Whomever posted it initially has my thanks.
what is the most spiritual composition?
how many times did someone like mahler "hear" what are considered to be mainstream classical repertoire pieces, given it was before recording?
mad to think most people here will know more about the pieces mahler conducted than mahler himself, thanks to primarily the inventors of electricity, the internet and spotify (in that order).
>>126715525Define spiritual.
>>126715559no jewish, gAytheist, pagan or gnostic pseudo spirituality or influence
>>126715556Yeah I think about this all the time. We've all heard, say, Beethoven 9 a thousand times than all of those oldtimers ever did. I guess conductors and musicians with all the rehearsals and shows probably heard things quite a bit but still.
>>126715525nonsensical question.
>>126715567https://youtu.be/BIvWjI4PrJw
>>126715567what about Gothic Christianity?
>>126715581anything except Catholicism (satanism) is fine
>>126715395https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTa1H-0m91
>>126715395>>126715592https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTa1H-0m91I
>>126715585what about Lutheranism? if you exclude those two then you're basically throwing out over 90% of the composers worth talking about.
now playing
start of Sibelius: Symphony No. 4 in A Minor, Op. 63
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMsrbs96nIU&list=OLAK5uy_mJgbfmEBGdriQh2vjYRdqUpl-L3MmNsAs&index=14
start of Sibelius: Symphony No. 5 in E-Flat Major, Op. 82
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3zV8HRliPE&list=OLAK5uy_mJgbfmEBGdriQh2vjYRdqUpl-L3MmNsAs&index=18
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mJgbfmEBGdriQh2vjYRdqUpl-L3MmNsAs
Just remembered this cycle existed, and I've generally been a big fan of Kurt Sanderling's conducting (Shostakovich, Brahms, Mahler), so this ought to be good! Curious to see how his romantic Eastern Germanic style mix with Sibelius.
>>126715605okay, are there any Orthodox Christian composers?
>>126715628Tchaikovsky & Rachmaninoff were orthodox
>>126715650Tchaikovsky was gay and Rachmaninoff is virtuoso slop.
>>126715673lies created by the catholics
>>126715679the facts don't lie.
>>126715556A true musician is capable of listening to the score.
>>126715757a true musician can also improvise. Jazz chads just can't stop winning.
>>126715601Do have a worse quality recording by any chance?
>>126715525Probably something by Wagner.
>>126715789Pachmann is the GOAT playing Chopin
https://youtu.be/y5XJ238v5Js&t=368
how about feinberg
Just a random thought, but I think out of all the symphony cycles, Sibelius' and Bruckner's are the most easy listening and replayability. By that I mean, for most composers when I feel like listening to their symphonies, it's usually one at a time, or two at most. For Sibelius and Bruckner, on the other hand, I can easily start any set from the very beginning (or with the 3rd in Bruckner's case), lay back, and let all of them play through for the evening without wanting to change it.
>>126715525It's not really what I'd call spiritual but the last part of The Planets-Neptune makes me think of the True Unknown or the Great Unknown if you prefer, which may indeed be spiritual. I tend to think of spiritual as something more like passionate supplication but I guess there's many other forms it might take
>>126715891in Neptune Holst just used the progression i - iii and projections of it (e.g. C, Eb, E, G, B). Wagner and Williams used it for their Tarnhelm and Darth Vader motives, respectively.
>tfw that time an anon said my having multiple favorite recordings for any given piece is because I am tasteless and that time sisterposter said I love constantly exploring new recordings because I don't entirely love the music itself both still sting to this day
>>126715993You are kinda tasteless, though. It's really fucking rare for you to actually dislike a recording.
>>126715984Well it's certainly effective
>>126716001Hate is just such a strong word. I prefer to say it doesn't work for me, and for that there's plenty. I've seen some critics list like 10 favorite recordings for a piece before, I don't think it's that ridiculous and untenable.
If at any point you stop playing, it should no longer be considered the same piece
Glen Gould Sonic 06ing his way through Mozart's 5th piano sonata
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqliymfKiuc&list=PLDHp-dZKD6X3XAucgM42RdVh9O_GuhITR&index=14&ab_channel=GlennGould-Topic
>>126716001>>126716033Plus I always give the benefit-of-the-doubt. If I listen to a highly acclaimed and beloved recording and it doesn't click on the first listen, my default instinct isn't to say it sucks, but rather think "oh maybe I'll enjoy it more the next time I try it." Silly, maybe, but I can't help it.
>>126716130I think Wagner's Flying Dutchman overture is the most obvious example of it.
enough active listening for one night
>>126716200Bach's WTC in the background now?
>>126716200Do you ever find music to be a distraction?
is there any good set of Scarlatti's Keyboard sonatas? it can be piano or harpsichord
>>126716768Complete or a selection? Also Yevgeny Subdin, Hewitt, Pletnev.
>>126716768Hantai for harpsichord
Horowitz for piano
>>126716797>>126716805thanks, it looks like Horowitz only recorded a few of his sonatas, but i love his Scriabin recordings. how about Couperin? i'm trying to get into baroque more.
what is the most ethereal composition?
>>126717142https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOXX2Nng1EM&list=OLAK5uy_mNt2HxV30OGhWnXsh1K1O9NJ15gx_1cRU&index=8
>>126715778>implying classical improv isn't 100x harder to masterAnother jizz pleb L
>>126717245classical improv can be mastered with relative ease if you go through the right textbooks and I'm not referring to Partimento or any other such Italian rote learning garbage. Logier, Jeppesen, Riemann, and Hindemith are the ones to use.
>>126716797>yellow piss labelinto the trash it goes.
>>126717370When they're good, they're good
>>126717333based. fuck partimento.
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now playing, gonna go through Sokolov's recordings; if you have any specific recommendations feel free to mention them
start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 29 in B-Flat Major, Op. 106, "Große Sonate für das Hammerklavier"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbgBmxULpzY&list=OLAK5uy_lyxBt07rcSp8sFSo34sXM5J8Yi3Xi5XOc&index=1
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lyxBt07rcSp8sFSo34sXM5J8Yi3Xi5XOc
>This classic recording was recorded live in Munich, November 18-19, 1975, and originally released on LP by Melodija and Eurodisc labels. Grigory Sokolov is regarded as one of the world’s leading pianists, dedicated to his art, and adored by his audience in sold-out concerts. Few pianists of recent years have become quite such a legend in their own lifetime. Sokolov created a huge worldwide fanbase solely by playing concerts, as he refused do studio recordings. The only recordings available are live recording of concerts. Ludwig van Beethoven's Piano Sonata No. 29 in B-flat major, Op. 106 (known as the Große Sonate für das Hammerklavier, or more simply as the Hammerklavier) is a piano sonata widely viewed as one of the most important works of the composer's third period and among the greatest piano sonatas. Completed in 1818, it is often considered to be Beethoven's most technically challenging piano composition and one of the most demanding solo works in the classical piano repertoire.
>>126717333What's wrong with Partimento?
>>126717472>What's wrong with Partimento?It was literally a form of rote learning invented by Shitalians to train street urchins.
>>126717509But what's wrong with it if it's effective? Practice is better than analysis, especially for improvisation
>>126715395Op. 17, No. 4 in A minor
Op. 41, No. 2 in E minor
Op. 63, No. 2 in F minor
But I prefer Scriabin mazurkas.
>>126717569Favorite Scriabin Mazurkas?
>>126717553it really isn't, especially when most of the "rule of the octave" harmonizations are shit to begin with.
Fenaroli was a fucking idiot who needlessly overcomplicated things by harmonizing the ascending major scale with I-V7-I-ii7-V-IV-V7-I instead of I-V-I-IV-I-IV-V-I which is what Wagner used.
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>>126717585I like these two quite a bit
Op. 3, No. 4 in E major
Op. 40, No. 2 in F-sharp major
But the best set is obviously Op. 25, especially
No. 1 in F minor
No. 2 in C major
No. 4 in E major
No. 7 in F-sharp minor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I3is675kMU
best Grieg piano music set? i can't find the Naxos one anywhere. how is the Austbo one?
it's pronounced "Vawgner"
Telemann (underrated)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyiPXiyHqvg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdLdauaPcHk
>>126716768>pianoHorowitz, Zacharias, Pletnev, and Pogorelich are quite good. The best Scarlatti, however, is by Marcelle Meyer. Sadly, they're older recordings, some of them are quite rough, but she recorded a lot of sonatas and they're amazing performances.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLa1rC97wRkZj2W0xeQwVfgXJOb2WFbPtR
>harpsichordScott Ross recorded them all. Very good if that instrument is your thing.
>>126718334thanks, for Baroque music i always try to have both piano and harpsichord versions, sometimes i like to hear the piece on the instrument it was written for, but overall i prefer piano.
The best performer of Bach’s cantatas will remain Karl Richter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6gHPRk5qAg
>>126715141What about late bruckner?
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Scriabin my beloved
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhAQjqfew2g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pCcTI4jRY8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AAIlO9w34o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV_7nOxeFi4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwj1cCL9Lsg
>>126718299https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asS4uXe6o5M
Tafelmusik by Musica Antiqua Köln is pretty good.
I was reading the Wikipedia for '988 and it kept going on about this Kirkpatrick fella being the ultimate authority of the piece and when I finally listened to a recording he did it sucks
>>126718728Maybe you don’t care for the Goldberg variations?
see
>>126715993> exploring new recordings because I don't entirely love the music
Bach
https://youtu.be/T4jWO0B3CpI?si=NoXiBhwyHGvS42lZ
Jochum's Berlin Bruckner cycle or his Staatskapelle Dresden cycle?
Glazunov thread?!? It’s a sign, I will play some Glazunov today, his valses are comfy. Thanks anon!
>>126719328He was the GOAT in that symphony
He also has a Concertgebouw and Staatskapelle performance that you should hear tok
>>126719631Listen to his String Quartets by Utrecht Quartet. Russian music supremacy strikes again
>>126718804you can't know if you really dislike a piece until you've heard a bunch of recordings, because it could just be the recording you dislike
Hullo you worthless basement niggers did Stravinsky write anything good other than the Firebird(suite) and Rite of Spring ? What’s his next best work? Fuck you
>>126716768>it can be piano or harpsichordNo it cannot
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now playing, more Sokolov
start of Schubert: 4 Impromptus, Op. 90, D. 899
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBRnLSAsQKU&list=OLAK5uy_leQLxomAe6PGwaBxVpuNWDUe_Rcm7thJw&index=2
start of Schubert: 3 Klavierstücke, D. 946
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aREDWWXhBdc&list=OLAK5uy_leQLxomAe6PGwaBxVpuNWDUe_Rcm7thJw&index=6
start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 29 in B-Flat Major, Op. 106 "Hammerklavier"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRyz3SUZRqA&list=OLAK5uy_leQLxomAe6PGwaBxVpuNWDUe_Rcm7thJw&index=9
start of Rameau: Suites
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgOFVQy0BLg&list=OLAK5uy_leQLxomAe6PGwaBxVpuNWDUe_Rcm7thJw&index=12
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_leQLxomAe6PGwaBxVpuNWDUe_Rcm7thJw
>Pianist Grigory Sokolov is regarded as one of the world's leading pianists and adored by his audience in sold-out concerts - dedicated to his art, and nothing else. His debut album on Deutsche Grammophon, "Salzburg Recital," was a huge success and is now followed by a remarkable recital of Schubert & Beethoven. This album was culled from concerts in Warsaw and Salzburg, which were celebrated by the media. "The greatest pianist alive today." (International Piano)
>Here is poetic and intimate playing of the highest order --The Times
>A really exceptional artist in all respects. --Classic Voice
>Quite heart-stopping. --Gramophone
>>126720665Yes! As a matter of fact, you'll definitely wanna check out Petr--
>Hullo you worthless basement niggersoh hmm nvm
>>126717142>>126717158Pathetic.
Try this Requiem (there’s some snaps crackles and pops on it)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GOXX2Nng1EM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-iVYu5lyX5M&pp=ygUSbGlnZXRpIGx1eCBhZXRlcm5h
John Coolidge Adams
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oNTBzkpnKfk&pp=ygUeb24gdGhlIHRyYW5zbWlncmF0aW9uIG9mIHNvdWxz
An alternative John Adams(luther)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dGva1NVWRXk&pp=ygURSm9obiBsdXRoZXIgYWRhbXM%3D
I consider Tomita’s version of Venus to be somewhat ethereal
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zZMsyzyiHLQ&pp=ygUNVG9taXRhIHZlbnVzIA%3D%3D
I don’t know if these are the most ethereal just what I thought of
>>126720728Ligeti is what you play/perform at someone's service if you think they've gone to hell.
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Why couldn't Beethoven or Mozart write a symphony or concerto that's 'gloomy'/minor key/dark from start to finish, like 2nd mov of 7th symphony or 1st and 2nd of 3rd symphony, or 1st of 20th concerto etc.?
I'm here listening to Beethoven's 7th and being disappointed by the 3rd movement because it absolutely does not follow the great 2nd mov emotionally - which is one of the greatest thing ever written. Why the constant mood swings? Ugh.
>>126717913>No. 7 in F-sharp minorbased. i also like no. 6, it goes really well with the 7.
>>126720824I bet it's some autistic German thing where the' 'rules' say you have to modulate or something and worrying about mood swings is un German and you should only be focused on pure harmony
>>126720824It's just not how the people of the classical era thought, or at least not how they expressed themselves aesthetically.
>>126720715This has gotta be the best D. 946 I've ever heard. Highly recommended.
You gays always go on about this performance and that but even the least accurate performance, even when Glen Gould plays Mozart-98% of what he's playing is what Mozart wrote him to play. You should try listening to Desolation Row and then hearing how Bob plays it now-like a dog mumbling into a piano over a jazzy blues warm up number. Or in 78 where Don't Think Twice became a....reggae jazz waltz I don't even know what you'd call it
>>126721230>You gays always go on about this performance and that but even the least accurate performance, even when Glen Gould plays Mozart-98% of what he's playing is what Mozart wrote him to play.The small variations can make all the difference. You feel it in your heart and soul. One performance of the Hammerklavier leaves you cold, another reminds you of falling in love, yet another fills you with inspiration and vitality, and another still makes you a witness to the sublime. It's not just "oh when Horowitz stretches out those bars for another second longer than Kempff, it sounds better" fastidiousness, it's some make the music come alive and some don't, and t hen there's making them come alive in different ways, and that's what we're discussing.
Sure, a cover of a rock song is usually played entirely different, I used to be a rockist myself, I get it, but you're underestimating the difference a classical interpretation and performance can make compared to another, even if to the unfamiliar ear it sounds practically the same.
>>126721353It's faster than typing "a fan of rock and related genres" :p
>>126721059>>126720824Austro-German classical music is formal and technical. If you want music that is purely emotion, listen to slavic or italian composers instead. German music is as much intellectual as it is emotional. But is harder to resonate with if you don't understand the mindset of the music
>>126720824because they weren't gay
Speaking of hammerklaviers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_--_8wn3ycU
>>126720824Because the emphasis in the classical era was on creating contrast and musical drama. There's supposed to be a sense of movement and change over the course of the music, represented in conventions of sonata form like the contrasting themes and the progression through different key areas (for example the first theme is played in the home key while the second is typically played in the dominant). Accordingly works will often shift between major and minor modes too. This is one of the biggest hurdles for newcomers because the majority of music outside of classical is intended to evoke a static mood.
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the music of composers like Beethoven, Mozart, Haydn, etc. are too happy and unserious sounding, it honestly kept me away from classical for a long time until i listened to a serious composer like Rachmaninoff.
>>126719168Seconding Dresden.
Do any of you actually play a classical instrument, or are all of you just larping pseuds?
>>126721527I can play piano, however I enjoy being a consumer over a creator.
He summoned cathedrals of sound from the abyss, where kings wept and Valkyries soared through veils of mortal woe.
Now entombed in twilight’s grandeur, his spirit broods where music dares not breathe but in reverence.
>>126721618You can play piano or you can "play piano"? There is a notable difference between the two, knowing how to play river flows in you and the first four bars of für Elise doesn't count
>>126721527There's a couple pianists here, a couple composers, and one bonafide member of an orchestra for a major city.
when you guys download a symphony cycle, do you separate each symphony into it's own album in your digital library, or do you just leave it as one long album? also, do you use composition date or release date of the recording?
>>126721683One singular album as it's all the same one release. Recording release date.
Germans don't believe in emotion-they think it's a Jewish trick to destablize the fatherland
>>126721683>separate each symphony into it's own album in your digital libraryoh god, that would take forever, i would go insane doing that.
>>126721673Don't forget the sisterposter-they're taking a music class in high school
>>126721527I play piano but I'm depressed because I have small hands. How the FUCK is someone supposed to play this chord? I even struggle with the Cb major 10th and can't play that one loudly because only the tippy tip of my thumb is on the Eb and I need to be careful that my ring finger (I use my ring because it has more reach than my pinky) on the low Cb doesn't accidentally sound the adjacent C natural as well.
>>126721683I only do that if it had individual releases of each symphony and only if I don't want the whole cycle. Most Beethoven cycles aren't really that good though
>>126721739>How the FUCK is someone supposed to play this chordby rolling it
>I even struggle with the Cb major 10ththen you're already above average LARPing retard, since most people can't reach that much
Brahms Symphony No. 4, "Tragic"
Beethoven Symphony No. 5, "Heaven's Gate"
Bruckner Symphony No. 7, "Lyrical"
Mahler Symphony No. 4, "Eden"
Mendelssohn Violin Concerto, "Romance"
Elgar Violin Concerto, "Majestic"
Tchaikovsky Symphony No. 5, "Supernova"
Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto, "Platonic"
Sibelius Symphony No. 6, "Forest-Girl Fairy Symphony for the Trans Soul"
>>126721739>CbPretentious
>>126721917if you cut(e) it off after Symphony it's a good title
Forest-Girl Fairy Symphony
>>126721655I can't masturbate with one hand and play with the other. The concentration is diluted.
>>126721739Imagine stressing this much over absolutely nothing. No wonder you are all so miserable. Just pay another pianist to sit with you and play the notes you can't reach. Simple as.
"Sorry Glen you were humming to yourself on that one, we need to do another take"
Phallus is the greatest musical instrument. Whoever has mastered it has mastered music, art and life itself.
>>126719328>4thit's crap alright, Stalin did nothing wrong
>>126722000He did some things wrong
>>126721527i played piano but i injured myself badly, now i just make music
Dream in White On White
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q07GEJ145CY&ab_channel=JohnLutherAdams-Topic
>>126722088What did you injure?
>>126721826Struggle... meaning I can't play it loud... meaning it doesn't count. I thought I read somewhere that around 80% of guys can play (all) major 10ths.
>>126721919Not in that context.
>>126722100idk everything. i have cronic tension due to cptsd and when i play i get pain in the carpal tunnel, cubital, radial nerve, even up to the neck for weeks.
>>126722110>I read somewhere that around 80% of guys can play (all) major 10ths.you read wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY-CEFD8X1Q&ab_channel=IvanIMG
>>126722175not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
Bruckner 6 is underrated. First movement is one of his coolest
bet you guys didn't know beethoven invented jazz
https://youtu.be/YE2iyBRmA_g?t=1007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ0Yp79Odl8&ab_channel=KPlayz
>>126722272Well he nearly did but he didn't do anything with it. It's like the vikings sailing to America and saying "Oh look it's a vast uncharted virgin continent lol lets tell no one and never come back"
>>126722272not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
>>126722341You're not sure what Beethoven has to do with classical? Is that what you're saying anon?
>>126722330>literally his last piano sonata, a few years before his death>"HURRR why didn't he do anything with it"how retarded are you?
>>126722381>beethoven subdivides a 9/16 rhythm into 32nds and 64ths>redditors call it jazz
>>126722425>boogie woogie 80 years before boogie woogie was a thing>"ACKCHUALLY it's not jazz"stfu musically illiterate tard
>>126722272>>126722330>>126722407Why would he "do something" with a basic rhythmic pattern? He would come up with more and even better patterns had he lived longer. It's the Jazzfags that should come up with something other than that overused rhythm. Don't insult Beethoven like that please, thanks.
>>126722407Relax honey don't get so mad over nothing. Secondly it was 4 years before his death more than enough time to do something with it had he thought it something special I mean how many pieces did this guy write?
>>126722463It is literally not jazz and someone comes into this general every few months trying to push this crap, which is why I know you should go back to >>>/mu/
>>126722425Implying Rhapsody in Blue isn't classical
>>126712497not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
>>126722139That 'tenth on edge' might be conservative. I'm nearly spot on average at 9" and I feel comfortable playing all major 10ths except for Emaj and Bmaj.
>>126722526Good for you, but you're a single tard with anecdotal evidence and the chart is from a literal scientific study
>>126722556>anecdotal evidenceIt's literally based on measured lengths; it's not like I'm gaining length when I place my hand on a piano. The only thing I can think of is if they measure hand span along the slight curve instead of a straight line since some people can open their hand more than others -- I've seen a bunch of Asian people who seem to be able to form a straight line from pink to thumb, while my father has giant hands, but he can't open as wide as I can, so I end up having a longer straight line span.
https://vocaroo.com/1lQYIoGmwT0N
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>and the chart is from a literal scientific study
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Schumann nnamuhcS
>>126722221For me it's the last movement. But yes it's one of his best symphonies
>>126722915https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7t233Ismk4
>>126722505Not a fan of the Diabelli Variations either?
>>126722341actually, i invented Jazz, but i don't feel like explaining all that.
>>126722000sorry you didn't enjoy it.
now playing
start of Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 2 in B-Flat Major, Op. 83
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIXsuZE3PnM&list=OLAK5uy_mimKhgVMyh4441wmOZDWHQN3w5VdvQwBQ&index=1
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mimKhgVMyh4441wmOZDWHQN3w5VdvQwBQ
>>126713678Complete nonsense.
>>126721478>are too happy and unserious soundingThat all depends on what pieces you are listening to. Also how the fuck is Beethoven unserious or happy lol.
>>126720824It becomes monotonous. do you really want to listen to a piece of music that remains in a minor key for half an hour? even Mahler didn't try to get away with that kind of bullshit.
>>126724874non-classical listeners like music to focus on one feeling and then loop that until it ends. they dont want a piece to tell a story or evolve ideas.
>>126720824 Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta ends with a movement completely out of sync with the rest of it, it feels tacked on and arbritary. There's nothing wrong with it exactly but it doesn't belong with the rest
>>126725397It should tell a story then and evolve, it shouldn't be schizophrenic
>>126724874Gladly if done well and for a purpose
>>126725849It's not schizophrenic. Most symphonies, especially of the classical period, aren't heavily cyclic and present a variety of contrasting moods from movement to movement.
I don't get the love for the Segerstam Sibelius cycle, sounds pretty straightforward to me, nothing special.
now playing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kek3f2Lxhy8
Who was/is the most neurotic composer?
>>126726361People will say Mahler most likely due to him being Jewish and his music being largely emotive, but objectively speaking it was probably either Beethoven or Schumann.
>>126726361so many to choose from...
now playing
start of JS Bach: Die Kunst der Fuge, BWV 1080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpynr0s_6Sk&list=OLAK5uy_lVW2Wop1-PNb8_X6BLNyKkn1LWtTq6Gho&index=2
start of JS Bach: 6 Partitas, No. 2 in C Minor, BWV 826
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbGZa-6lBH4&list=OLAK5uy_lVW2Wop1-PNb8_X6BLNyKkn1LWtTq6Gho&index=21
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lVW2Wop1-PNb8_X6BLNyKkn1LWtTq6Gho
>>126726551>Intense Bach>After many years of Glenn Gould and Bach, I am saturated and cannot hear a note of Gould nor of Bach, and my least favorite CD is Sokolov's Bach, although this pianist is my favorite.>One fine day, in my car, in tropical Florida, in the breeze, watching the pelicans fly above the blue sea, in the sunset, I listened to my Russian pianist Grigory Sokolov playing Bach, and suddenly my meaningless life was beautiful again.There was an intensity never heard before, a sadness so profound it made me weep, waves of forgotten emotions overwhelming me. I understood Sokolov played Bach the way I wanted Bach to be, moving, complex, subtle, passionate, deep, unpredictable.
>I will buy any CD played by Sokolov, he is truly my pianist, the one who can express what I want to hear. He has those magic fingers that are so fine and powerful, graceful and passionate, forever changing, just like life, with its joys and sorrows.damn
>>126726551>Die Kunst der Fuge on pianoWhat style of popery is this?
https://youtu.be/WxrlM3EVDFg?si=Zqy8D23uAmtOQ8NV
>>126726984The possibilities are endless!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSKaVYjAok4
It it just me or should Tchaikovsky's The Seasons piano cycle be considered a bigger deal?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBYu3MoLzzs
Lovely.
>>126727158That's what they tell me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dw5swTYA3U
>>126727158According to Satan’s emissary, yes
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=3qZ73xYE4nw&si=FOvMm2wYLZw8hl0a
What makes Haydn so listenable?
>Jews
>Chinks
>Nips
>Christians
>satanists
>trans people
>autistics
Are we the most diverse general on 4chan? What about Classical music leads all these groups to come together?
>>126728349None of these post here except one or two. We're all autistic, that much is true. Some are more stupider (christian) than others also.
>>126728402>Doesn't single out the faith that says that those who do not share your race are literal subhumans not worthy of human respecthmmmm, I wonder (((who))) could be behind this post
>>126728434I don't think muslims post here
new fugue, r8 and discuss https://vocaroo.com/16GpZ3Ra90IT
The opening melody of the Rhenish symphony is one of the best things in classical music
>>126728349>Are we the most diverse generalno, that would be /pol/. I've made a quick summary:
- the sister poster: most likely an American in his late teens. can be helpful but he's more interested in insulting people anonymously.
- the now playing links poster: says he's from Cascadia but is most likely a Californian. definitely the best/most helpful poster in /classical/
- Maho Hiyajo poster: another American. favorite composer is Mozart. he keeps a /classical/ tab open while at his office job. thinks the Viennese classics should be posted here more often.
- Jazz musician tripfag: claims to be German. not sure if his posts esoteric wisdom or just schizophrenia.
- Rachmaninoff shill: self-explanatory. He's also Dutch.
-Scriabin/Wagner poster: makes good pastas and shitposts but good luck having a serious discussion with him.
did I miss anyone?
>>126728691>- Maho Hiyajo poster: another American. favorite composer is Mozart. he keeps a /classical/ tab open while at his office job. thinks the Viennese classics should be posted here more often.I'm European, though you got the second one scarily accurate, forgot whether I ever mentioned that or not. However, I've been laid off recently and looking for work. Hence why I haven't posted over here as much.
J.C Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQJMY6IO4Eg
>>126728776>forgot whether I ever mentioned that or notyou mentioned it. I was there.
>>126728691>SisterposterJewish
>Now PlayingBritish (He loves BBC radio)
>MahoposterChristian
>Jazz musician tripfagPagan
>Rachmaninoff shillOrthodox
>-Scriabin/Wagner posterSatanist
Truly a religiously varied community
>>126728825British is a religion?
>>126728829https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglicanism
>-Scriabin/Wagner poster
You sure it's one person? I thought it's two at the minimum.
>>126728578Interesting, what process did you go through to write this fugue? Been interested in writing a baroque fugue myself sometime as well
>>126728859It's definitely more than one person. I post about Scriabin all the time, serious or not, but I never post about Wagner. So you already have two different people there.
>>126728869What if you just have DID and wagnersister is your alter?
You guys really have no idea what you're talking about. You get less than 10% of it right. Leave anons anonymous please and discuss music, thanks.
>>126728877I know right, this entire thread is just me talking to myself
>there are people unironically talking about classical music with implied authority when they don't play an orchestral instrument.
plinky plonking on your casio keyboard doesn't count tbqhwy
>>126729102Do you have to be a chef to critique food?
>>126729102i play recorder
>>126728825>Scriabin/Wagner poster>Satanistclose but probably some kind of gnostic/luciferian
>>126729153>gnostic/luciferianSo... satanist?
>I'm not a nazi, more of a ethnonationalist/hitlerian
>>126729156yes, i just thought we should be more specific.
>>126728825>Rachmaninoff shill>OrthodoxOrthodox what? Christianity? Judaism?
>>126728825what religion am i? (Shostakovich shill)
W.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-n0TLAk-28&list=RDMM&index=33
>>126729179None. Atheist.
Mozart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1Fi1i6SAjg
>>126729102i play Bach on electric mandolin
why does satan's emissary hate Liszt?
I don't know anything about music theory but I really like Brahms
>>126729976Then you are retarded.
>>126730008He doesn't.
>>126728691thanks <3
>ays he's from Cascadia but is most likely a CalifornianI've lived in Cali for a couple years but I'm PNW born-and-raised, and I'm currently back where I belong, though sadly no longer in Portland (for now).
Beethoven
https://youtu.be/z85yZMleAXI&t=346
>>126730974I concur, you're the best. I tried effortposting a few times (e.g. daily Rach opuses), but can't be arsed lol.
I really so hate people in generals who start being recognizable because of a bit they do. Avatarfags are the second worst just after people who spam the same phrases. You'd expect a place like /classical/ to have less of this nuisance but oh well.
>>126731097I'm trying but it's kinda hard to be unrecognizable when it's just 10 posters max in the general
>>126731146no one recognizes me and I post here almost daily.
I guess it is hard if you post MULTIPLE times per day, but by that point what the fuck are you even doing with your life?
>>126731097so true nuisance sister
>>126731097You know what I hate? Ethnic cleansing and famine
>>126731152>what the fuck are you even doing with your life?Waiting for death.
Funny how Brahms' Intermezzi are so beautiful that even the oft strident Gould surrenders to a more gentle and beautiful style of playing than usual.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-rF98HSKNc
>>126731028What do you think of Rach's Vespers?
>>126731193Haven't spent enough time to form a strong opinion about it, but it's decent. Generally not a big fan of vocal/choral music.
>>126731184That first one is very nice
>>126730008That’s a bit harsh isn’t it? He’s a just a guy who talks about classical recordings on YouTube
now playing
start of Brahms: Piano Trio No. 1 in B Major, Op. 8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppxy4g6RWcU&list=OLAK5uy_l3RGaAL9PniQhYVRFB2OGby9YkldVXkuU&index=2
start of Brahms: Piano Trio No. 2 in C Major, Op. 87
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqCAjgblenI&list=OLAK5uy_l3RGaAL9PniQhYVRFB2OGby9YkldVXkuU&index=6
start of Brahms: Piano Trio No. 3 in C Minor, Op. 101
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx8LcdCp2ZI&list=OLAK5uy_l3RGaAL9PniQhYVRFB2OGby9YkldVXkuU&index=10
start of Brahms: Piano Quintet in F Minor, Op. 34a
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufFGBTiPW1s&list=OLAK5uy_l3RGaAL9PniQhYVRFB2OGby9YkldVXkuU&index=13
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l3RGaAL9PniQhYVRFB2OGby9YkldVXkuU
So many recordings of these works, most of them dull or worse. I like Kirshbaum a lot though so when I saw his name I had to give it a try.
The Concert Is Dead
The Only Excuse For Recording Is To Do It Differently
The Great Get-Sibelius Plot Exposed
A Live Audience Is A Great Liability
Petula Clark's Songs Are In The Post-Mendelssohn Tradition
Why I Sing Along
Electronic Music Is The Future
Haydn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bV7cRRbnqk
>>126730835You are retarded and gay, get out of my general
Okay, I think I finally figured out a solution to the problem of finding new recordings by solo singers. The problem being how are you supposed to find these recordings if you don't already know the name of the performer beforehand? Searching something like "mozart lieder" isn't as helpful as you'd might think.
Anyway, my new tactic is looking up great recordings of a piece with a solo part (eg Mahler 4), noting the singer, and looking up their stuff. So here we have Kathleen Battle, found from the Maazel Mahler 4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFCT455mSdE&list=OLAK5uy_l0ykcGky6VOA_5THDlgtUYvI5Shj9aRbA&index=1
But yeah, trying to search up "handel songs" is useless, so if anyone has any recommendations for more recordings like this, I'm all ears!
>>126731406This is atheist general and my thread. Try >>>/mu/
Can't stop listening to Bach! Which one?
quick comparison
1997
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FudA75-sDDw&list=OLAK5uy_mP5wAnRj0lMepXBacnQxKpJopB1PmkxiA&index=2
2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uq7_kfxk8s&list=OLAK5uy_mew7jhNlDEffD-0ESex9d6Cp87Y1XmYfk&index=2
Let's listen to Glen Gould playing Hetu-whoever that is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqMutaXg5p0&ab_channel=BAxitorCH
(I can already tell it's going to be brutal by the opening notes but I'm posting it anyway)
It's actually not bad he's very gould at playing pyschotic episode music. There's a bit that sounds like something used in a Super Mario game or some SNES game it's kind of annoying me
Rachmaninoff competition live, playing Rach 2nd sonata (nice YT recommendation):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Biz52xx0qNg
>>126731453wrong, this is autism
Did Scriabin even know what he was doing?
>>126732240IT'S FUCKIN MEGA
>>126732207No, just smash random octaves very loud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1BcfTdRSpE
>>126732373Someone in the audience seemed to like it
Shoiuld I listen to Ben Shapiro or classical?
>>126732643you should never listen to any modern philosopher
>>126732920Ben is not a modern philsopher lol
>>126732930The fire rises?
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