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>one of the earliest jazz "rock" albums
>sounds literally nothing like rock
still good though

I'm in the mood for some melodic Coltrane:
https://youtu.be/3FUNS1kghZE?si=ctj70cufGmbw0Jot

>>126716458
1957: the birth of cool is invented
1970: RIP jazz...

is it more or more beyond-jazz ended up being homogeneous jazz funk. why?
>>126716445 (OP)
rundown on anthony braxton?
also good, bad, underrated, overrated?

>>126716445 (OP)
OP 's image raises an interesting question, is Braxton really jazz?

>>126717464
Braxton goated
Nobody else like him

>>126717464
>is it more or more beyond-jazz ended up being homogeneous jazz funk. why?
Thank dog WyntGOD rescued jazz from the pits.
>>126717836
A lot of his stuff is, yeah. The rest is classical.

>>126716458
It doesn't at all. Miles' Jack Johnson album is straight out rock, doesn't get talked about enough. Bitches Brew is something else entirely

Never thought I could enjoy a drum-less album this much.

Moar like this ?

>>126718856

>>126718209
>A lot of his stuff is, yeah. The rest is classical.
That's what i mean, he's way more into contemporary classical/avant-garde territory than jazz to me.

>>126719616
But he's also done a fair bit that is undoubtedly jazz, especially the quartet with Wheeler/Holland/Altschul.

>>126717464
>rundown on anthony braxton?
A completely mad and free artist. His discography is a gold mine but you need to put in the effort to become accustomed to his language. Some of his stuff is really harsh.
If there is on interesting fact about him, is that even the most anti-free jazz people dig his solo saxophone improvisations. They are so chaotic but at the same time they have a striking sense of structure and direction. Truly the mark of a genius.

Claim an Ellington tune. Satin Doll is mine.

>>126720547
How original. Do you know So What?

>>126720617
Boo hoo. What's your favorite obscure ultra-original Ellington song, brainiac?

>>126720547
I was gonna say Mood Indigo but apparently street cred matters more here than honesty, so Isfahan.

posting some REAL jazz right here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAmqU9jL6Ow

>>126720547
Fleurette Africaine, though I'm not quite sure how much of that is Mingus. Otherwise Prelude to a Kiss or I Got It Bad.

>>126717464
What this >>126720342 fella said, i strongly recommend starting with For Alto.

>>126716445 (OP)
This nigga looked so fucking kino.

>>126720342
>even the most anti-free jazz people dig his solo saxophone improvisations
Can confirm, I'm one of those people. I dig the stuff he did with Circle, even if it gets a little hard to follow at times.

>>126716840
>1957: the birth of cool is invented
>1957

>>126720342
Brief description of some of his works that you rec?

Went through Sonny Rollins Prestigie Recordings, Max Roach's Mercury sessions and varios Freddie Hubbard compilations and albums.
Who should I dig into next?

>>126724305
well did you like any of it?

>>126722708
jazz musicians have always been the most photographic

>>126724305
Lee Morgan? Lou Donaldson? Ike Quebec? Oli

>>126724305
Well, assuming you liked any of that, I'd suggest checking Art Blakey. Freddie Hubbard actually played with him for a while.

>>126724821
Tons, it's Also very interesting to see the evolution on Roach's sessions.
Rollins's The House I Live In is absolutely beautiful. Going through these long compilations makes me discover so much music.

>>126725069
>>126725014
Thanks anons

>fusion
Not music.

>>126720547
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgWoOpnq6fY

>>126720547
Chelsea Bridge

>>126722708
He sure was, in those years he was trying to push this intellectual/nerdy aesthetic with the glasses, the turtleneck, the pipe and the smug look.

It was a far cry from the mainstream idea of the suffering and reckless jazzman who is probably going to shoot all of his meager pay into heroin. He didn't want to look like that and he wasn't interested in that kind of stuff. Nowadays many people forget that the jazz aesthetic was deliberately searched by musicians because it was cool. Chet Baker, while being effectively on fucking heroine, made a business out of that: in the 80s everyone wanted to see Chet Baker, with the secret hope that he would die during the concert. It is no secret.

Anyway, can you really blame him? He was a black man with a saxophone in the late 60s. What else could a negro with a horn play if not jazz? Braxton wanted to be a composer like Stockhasuen, Webern, Ligeti but because of his skin and his instrument he always had this label imposed on him by the music business. Like other black musicians (Mingus comes to mind) he was relegated to the jazz circuit, because god forbid a n... a black man could enter a concert hall as composer.

In the excellent book by Graham Lock "forces in motion" about his life and his tour in the 80s (that Lock followed on the road) Braxton himself explains that he was forced to tour with a classic jazz quartet while he would have preferred a group or an ensemble of classically trained musicians: such a contract was, for him, out of discussion. He couldn't afford that and even in tour he was living out of McDonalds' meals. It was the effect that Braxton himself describes as "what makes you think you can play classical music, nigger?"

Also, let's not forget that Braxton came out of an active experience of discrimination while he was deployed in the US army during the Korea wars. Granted he was in the band so he wasn't actually sent to the battlefield (his dear friend and equal genius Henry Threadgill was not so lucky: he was deployed to Vietnam as a soldier), he experienced heavy discrimination and bullying by his fellow white coscripts. It was the first experience of an integrated army in the US, anyway.

Braxton, still today, is a merry lad. When he talks about his music he is like a flood, expressing a ton of concepts in a bizarre way with his own crazy vocabulary. You can see he is not making shit up to appear intellectual or pretentious, it is just how he thinks and he is completely out there. But he actually has a very complete and complex conception of music (everyone who is brave enough to venture in his dense and crazy vision can tackle his magnum opus "the tri-axium writings", which have been recently repressed for like 20 bucks for one volume.

Aside from that, he is an easy-going chap with a silly sense of humour. He is very charming and I find it interesting that he could be the most frustrated person in the world but he chooses to take it easy.

He is truly an american genius. And America, in the typical hypocrisy, is just now considering tributing him the recognition he deserves after making his career miserable for 40 years.

Do we like George Duke here?

>>126720547
Creole love call

>>126717464
>>126721345

I disagree with starting from For Alto, it is a bit daunting for someome trying to familiarize with Braxton's music. I'd start with:

- Circle live in paris (with Chick Corea, Dave Holland and I think Barry Altschul)
- Conference of the birds (by Dave Hollands with Sam Rivers and Barry Altschul)
- New York 1974 (it has some of his most famous compositions)
- Five Pieces 1975 (with some standards)
- Creative orchestra music 1976
- For Trio 1977 (it has two different versions of the same composition which are completely different: a typical compositional approach)

>>126727666
>Braxton, still today, is a merry lad. When he talks about his music he is like a flood, expressing a ton of concepts in a bizarre way with his own crazy vocabulary. You can see he is not making shit up to appear intellectual or pretentious, it is just how he thinks and he is completely out there.
He just sounds european lol. You americans are simply not used to hearing people speak passable english and pretentious theory is all. He’s pretty heavy on the bs metaphysics actually.

>>126728171
I am italian, you miserable asshole

>>126728324
My condolences.

>>126728406
Condolences accepted

>>126727667
i love this video so much https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHFJ9qhR0VM

>>126728324
>I am italian, you miserable asshole
then youre just dumb my brother
or dont know shit about basic experimental jargon - braxton still very much sounds like a 70s head

Is M-Base fusion?

>>126728702
Wish I made it looks this effortless. I'm not a huge fan of his stuff with latin/carribean influences though.

>>126727684
https://youtu.be/RK8sjgyFerY?si=uCR7BDdidUDte3Iy
Still sounds so good. You could have every guy in the band playing that melody individually and it wouldn't get old.

>>126726443
>Not music.
Get your head out of your ass.

Been listening to Hampton Hawes. This is a very nice piano trio album, AND it has Red Mitchell on bass. Can't go wrong with this one.

>>126717836
this album in particular is definitely jazz

>>126721192
so true, sister

I need some bowed bass jazz

>>126728324
Based wop, this channel https://youtube.com/@2300skidoo1?si=2M4A6lotYQ2pn8B7 rules, it introduced me to a lot of the italian guys.

>>126734041
The duos Richard Davis did with Eric Dolphy.

>>126734041
Gotchu senpai
https://youtu.be/iE1xWopZUIM?si=o52aTTz83h7p_a31

>>126730666
First time in /jazz/?

>>126734041
Ugh why? Nobody's any good at it except Slam, and not even he was particularly good.

I did not care for Hand Jive. It insists upon itself.

>>126727639
music, like books, is able to reach any social backgrounds. pointless excluding him from composer realm but keep doing it, like him did, its what you can do about that issue

any braxton chamber oriented work? rec?

goodnight /jazz/

Yes, I listen to Sauce, how did you know
https://youtu.be/xV5gJz6J8D4

good morning /jazz/

>>126736679
can you not post ai generated stuff next time? if i cant avoid this stuff in a thread where people post their favorite duke ellington songs then where the fuck am i supposed to hide to get away from it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiP7jKdAhD0

>>126730226
Early Ellington is just marvelous.

>>126738988
Have you ever heard Pete Rugolo's version?
https://youtu.be/wATv2_84HGM?si=EcGHEipe-GxMDaXW

>>126730755
Terrific pianist. Pretty much everything he recorded for Contemporary is solid.

>>126730755
I like his Blue Montreux date a lot, especially Henry Franklin's bass
>>126739633
but does Everybody Dig him?

>>126739633
Will check that out, thanks for the recc, anon

music server for music people
https://discord.gg/bsm9YVpk

Summer jazz

https://youtu.be/HWuOJKDGgXI?si=ZKJ2TwUsx7oTuB2F

>>126739633
This one swings so fucking hard, they've really gotten the interplay on lock here.

>>126740332
Luv' Duke Pearson

Wes Montgomery + Johnny Griffin + The Wynton Kelly trio = Gold

>>126741277
Great line up, what a shame all guitar music automatically sucks.

>>126741309
what a random contrarian position to have (unless this is just the typical anti fusion)

>>126741375
It's just a shitty inexpressive instrument!

>>126727667
definitely

>>126741403
You're a shitty inexpressive instrument

>>126741277
How can anyone sit still to Cariba?

I love this so much. Rodney sounds so smooth, and then... the entry of the tenor!!

https://youtu.be/_XPfpUpgnH0?si=8owAD3ods55PV_Mv

>>126741600
>tiny functional dynamic range, mp-mf, basically
>much fewer options in terms of articulation compared to horns/bass
>much smaller usable pitch range compared to piano, similarly much more limited in terms of voicings
>player tend to get stuck in repetitive scalar patterns due to layout of instrument, phrasing suffers due to not needing to breathe and physical ease of playing
It's the worst of all possible worlds.

>>126741691
Don't care, still sounds good to anybody with ears.

Very based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R81jAk9LgiQ

>>126741691
These are some of the most retarded takes I've read in a long time, each one of them boiling down to basically your own fucking opinion.

>>126741691
>bad because players tend to suck
skill issue on their part, listen to good guitarrists or something

>>126741786
Wrong.
>>126743032
>>126743255
Almost all of this is related to the limitations of the instrument itself.

yt recommended me this a few days ago, i really like her voice desu
https://youtu.be/PFE3ZEa9I_I?si=t6LO29knQTkK0kKv

goodnight again /jazz/

worst hair in jazz

>>126746520
Exceedingly cursed, yeah.

Do jazzheads respect Herbie Mann or do they see him as just another sellout easy listening hack?

>>126739633
So good release, thanks anon

>>126746520
(I know it's a wig)

>>126746782
Idk, I just like his flute playing.

I dislike piano trios in general, but this lad's playing just checks all the boxes for me.

>>126749457
i can get into this i think

>>126748779
He's Earl Hines, he can rock a wig if he wants.

>>126751369
Of course. He's the GOAT.

>>126716458

I think at the time it was a meaningful difference that it was a sound that translated well to large outdoor rock festivals and big rock venues where serious amplification was the thing unlike acoustic jazz that doesn't scale as well

>>126717836

well, if you ask Braxton, he doesn't think of himself as a jazz musician

I like his jazz standard interpretations best in his discography, so there is that

>>126718856
Frisell's drumless/bassless quartet got me interested in listening to new jazz/"modern creative"/improvised music when I really started getting into jazz way back in 1996

it was unlike any other music I'd listened to at the time

>>126720547

is this where you're supposed to claim something written by Strayhorn instead?

taking In a Sentimental Mood anyway

>>126734595
Fall is the highlight anyway

>>126746782
well, he recorded possibly more filler than anyone else

mofo released 49 albums between 1956 and 1969 and maybe 3 of those are worth having in your jazz collection, have to respect the work ethic

it was also cool that Sonny Sharrock played guitar in his band for many years

>>126752139
Plus he was too much into bossa nova.

>>126752256
his albums must have sold well since reputable record labels released so many of them, so he was likely a better businessman than a creative jazz artist and knew what were styles people were buying

>>126752434
True, he probably made a lot of money.

>>126746520
Trst

>>126752704
Ok i can post lol

>>126746520
He straightened his hair to comb over the part of his scalp he burned off asleep against a radiator while passed out on a massive heroin dose. probably the single greatest musician ever the gigolo and infinity are all time goat records for me

>>126746666
fucking nice quads btw

>>126752710
>>126716445 (OP)
Also thanks for turning me on to anthony braxton. Ive heard a few of his collaborative records with no real context his discography as a whole escaped me

>>126752726
I still say For Alto is a great start to have an idea of who he is.

>>126752853
normalize Braxton burrowing his way through Ornithology on a contrabass clarinet as peak jazz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-UlblA8CuE

>you want some braxton tunes to check out? alright just give me a minute

>>126716445 (OP)
Worse than being a rockist jazz fan is being a tryhard bebop and free jazz nigga. What's the point of listening to these things that you obviously don't like but listen to in order to be one of the “cool cats”? I actually like bebop, but that happened after I learned to like jazz. Now I'm able to like jazz in a way that I wouldn't have liked before

>>126752968
I always liked bop. I like some free jazz too, now that I'm versed enough to know what players are legit.

I don't particularly fusion because it tends to be rather reductive musically, even when performed by the most competent players.

>>126749457
and that's his worst album if you ask me

one of my favorite young(er) pianists for sure

>>126752968
>What's the point of listening to these things that you obviously don't like
I like free jazz and I'm not as self conscious as the average /mu/ user. The whole "look at how unpretentious I am" bit gets old on this board

>>126753110

there are a lot of pretentious free/impro eccentrics ot there, though

I think ultimately all forms of jazz and improvised music are interesting in their own right, so it's nice when you can have a nice discussion spanning genres, but it's a fragmented landscape in practice - especially if you're into live gigs, physical media and new digital releases

>>126752968
I like bebop, free jazz and fusion. Checkmate.

>>126752256
bossa nova is fun

>>126752081
awwww. you took mine

>>126716795
very nice

>>126753323
Mann's bossa albums are thoroughly unremarkable though

but you are correct and in the northern hemisphere we are in prime bossa season!

in related, I have not been able to wrap my head around seasons in hemispheres. Bossa nova is obviously summer music to me, but when you talk to actual brazilians, it's always surreal that for them December is the height of summer and July is cool winter.

Did Jobim ever understand the mental shit people have to go through to understand that Águas De Março is about fall instead of spring? I don't think he fucking did.

Brazilians!

Fucking motherfuckers south of the equator having concepts of seasons unlike Australians who just throw shrimps on the barbie with none of this shit I can recall.

>>126753871
>People love bossa

>but they don't like the superior pagode and samba

Pagode and samba evolved and bossa stopped in 1970. There were so many innovations between the two. The songs are understandably about being a piece of shit ? Yes, but who cares about the lyrics?

>>126752923
Unironically my favourite version of that piece.

>>126752968
Weak bait, here's your (You) anyway.

>>126753323
It's ok.

>>126753871
>in the northern hemisphere we are in prime bossa season!
You guys are the ones who listen to this stuff the most anyway, americans and japanese, most of us brazilians don't give a shit about it.

RIP Louis Moholo-Moholo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCWgviwmBFk

favorite Monk tribute albums?

opening track is pretty good but rest of album is kinda mid, or maybe i just love four in one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQLhapQXchk

>>126759983
As a guitar hater, it pains me to say that this record is very impressive and very well done.

>>126760923
I've heard some stuff by Okazaki before, he is indeed pretty good.

>>126761113
I think the fact that he's got a god tier sense of rhythm helps a lot. All thanks to this gigachad right here.

>>126761153
he posts on Reddit fairly actively, though

>>126759983
this one is noteworthy because they cover every Monk composition

>>126761224
Absolutely devastating and shocking to learn that Steve Coleman is a huge nerd, as if his 1000+ pages of blog posts on his site weren't even.

>>126761245
not coleman, Okazaki

anyway, I'll just bring this up because people looking for Monk's music maybe don't listen to Chick Corea, but the second LP of this one is all Monk compositions and pretty good

>>126761285
Not surprised to hear that about Okazaki either to be honest.

Also, I hate Chick Corea so goddamn much. Mostly for being so fucking good and wasting most of his career making barely listenable fuzak.

>>126760923
im listening to this and when the playlist is about to end i look at the youtube comments and theres a guy talking about "tone"

0/5

Really understood how to do an album cover

>>126761297
>Mostly for being so fucking good and wasting most of his career making barely listenable fuzak
Fuck you, everything Chick Corea made was good, he was so great he made fusion and free jazz sound good.

>>126716445 (OP)
Joe Henderson has become my comfort music. Tetragon, The Elements, Multiple, Relaxin at Camarillo. Keep coming back to him. I think I thought he was just respectable at first but then I got in the mood to return to Tetragon and it clicked

>>126761297
I've been thinking about how Chick and some others kinda gave up on fusion in the late 1970s - feels to me like there were very few prominent fusion albums made between 1979 and 1983 or so and Chick for example made some pretty good acoustic albums then

but then maybe due to new synths like DX7 coming to market there was suddenly a new fusion resurgence with an even more polished/plastic sound to it with groups like Elektric Band popping up

>>126762062
One of my favorites
Kenny Dorham's Una Mas and Andrew Hill's Black Fire for 2 great sideman appearances

>>126762062
I think he really has one fo the most consistent discographies in jazz

the Blue Note stuff is top tier 1960s Blue Note and then basically all of the Milestone releases that followed are solid as well and then he made multiple good late career albums

>>126761882
he was definitely more kino and photogenic than the average jazz musician and that's already saying something

What are some noir films with jazzy soundtracks? (besides Elevator To The Gallows which I've already seen and loved)

Bumpin' At The Savoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8YVWE7M2B0

>recorded in 1930
They killed it on the solos.

What's your favorite version of A Night in Tunisia

>>126771162
Shit tune to be honest, but the 1950 recording from Birdland with Parker, Navarro, Blakey Curly Russell and Powell.

>>126716795
Going to listen to that whole album

>>126720547
Dukes Place

thoughts on Mary Halvorson?

>>126771162
dexter gordon easily

>>126771162
1954, Art Blakey's Quintet at Birdland version. Lou Donaldson, Clifford Brown, and Horace Silver kick a lot of ass

>>126771337
Obviously guitar is automatically bad, but in this case there's also avant-teen cringe, making it extra bad.

I'm gonna quote a funny anon from a few threads back
>If anything jazz guitar is extremely based, it keeps filtering retards nonstop

>>126771337
what she's trying to do might sound decent on piano

>>126771337
i wonder how she gets her tone

>>126720547
Orson

>>126771374
you don't like wes, mclaughlin, scofield etc.?

>>126771463
I would legit not like any of them, even if the guitar wasn't inherently out of place in a jazz combo.

>>126771337
not into conventional jazz guitar but the more experimental players are great.
https://youtu.be/-gvQ8MFsr4s?si=I2LKkpVKOuL5vIMR
>>126771454
I think the guild + pedals just makes for a unique sound

>>126771480
is there any jazz guitar you like?

>>126771162
https://youtube.com/watch?v=1hMMzuRx538

>>126716458

if you're gonna post fusion miles at least post something other than bitches brew

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBjS_KO5kuU

I like funky Herbie

>>126771552
Some solo stuff.

>>126771916
like what?

i know it's degenerate for you purist scholars, but i've been listening to that a lot:
(listen to the frist two)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLG55qviKPM&list=OLAK5uy_l3qZwdeTupl62rKgdkGreksDlWYa2sHJ0

and listen to this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP2KrkdvxaE

>>126771881
the return of herbieanon?

Here's a pic of Braxton playing pool with Ornette.

>>126774022
Awesome

>>126771337
Her two albums from 2022, Belladonna and Amaryllis were truly great and she is one of the most unique guitarists out there, has her own sound, you can tell it's her from one note. She can be too samey a lot of the time and seems to follow some kind of formula compositionally that can render some of her albums uninteresting though, her release of this year, About Ghosts, was very underwhelming, i specifically disliked the drumming on it.

>>126773612
I don't know, I just really like Herbie
https://youtu.be/5ERBkTeTeQ4?si=dgCQ5k-Bbmfz15OC.

>>126771162
One of the Art Blakey ones with Lee Morgan on trumpet.

>>126752923
>>126755415
https://youtu.be/5zzCYFL9zfw
>Tfw one of the best versions of Ornithology is by a little dutch girl on a recorder.

>>126771337
I think I thought Amaryllis and Belladonna were boring but then they grew on me. Gonna check out her new thing

>>126771772
I like agharta I was commenting on that specific album

>>126774165
think this is probably my favorite fusion miles

>>126774022
King behavior

>>126774226
That rendition of Willie Nelson and the take on Masqualero leading into Spanish Key is top tier. If they had Wayne instead of Grossman it could've been a legit 10/10.

>>126774079

there used to be a "Herbieanon" in /jazz/ threads at one point years ago and Fat Albert Rotunda was his favorite album

in other news, Nobu is the most underrated Herbie track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpN2snjHw4Y

>>126775538
Lol, how interesting. I do like Fat Albert Rotunda, but I still have to check the rest of his electric albums. My fav Herbie album would probably be either Maiden Voyage or his debut.

>>126752096
I agree. The title track is good too, mostly because of Tony Williams.

sweet dreams /jazz/, sleep tight *kisses softly*

Do I need to have seen the movie to get it?

>>126778372
No, you just gotta be hip. But you might as well go for his complete RCA recordings 1946-1949. Essential.

Bampu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ-Fo9x8BJM

>>126727639
thanks ChatGPT

Is there any good psychedelic jazz? Stuff that is actually weird but highly technically proficient?

>>126782171
Yes. Psychedelic jazz occupies a rare, electrified zone where technical virtuosity collides with mind-altering texture. It isn't just about wah pedals and exotic scales—true psychedelic jazz disorients time, pulls improvisation into trance states, and often blurs the boundary between structure and chaos. Albums like Herbie Hancock’s Sextant or Miles Davis’s Get Up With It don’t just groove—they create whole environments. Sextant sounds like being trapped in a malfunctioning alien jungle gym, all while the band plays perfectly in sync. Davis’s He Loved Him Madly is ambient, eerie, and minimal to the point of hypnosis—Brian Eno cited it as foundational to ambient music.

Then there’s Alice Coltrane and Pharoah Sanders, who don’t just evoke psychedelia—they embody it spiritually. Journey in Satchidananda isn’t weird for weird’s sake; it uses harp, oud, and modal improvisation to conjure transcendence. Pharoah’s Black Unity, by contrast, is a 37-minute wall of polyrhythmic ecstasy, driven by dense layers of percussion and saxophone cries that feel like chants to something ancient. Add Sun Ra to the mix—with his theatrical, sci-fi mythmaking and dissonant, chaotic arrangements—and you get a picture of psychedelic jazz not as a genre, but as a portal. These artists weren’t dabbling—they were committed to bending musical and psychic perception with absolute technical command.

read a bunch of jack kirby comics, look at the sextant album cover, listen to the music and try to imagine what the people that are related to humans living on alien worlds look like, what their tech is like and how they live

>>126782284
it doesn't work because aliens would be incomprehensible to us.

>>126782307
not if they were humans just living on another planet

>>126782131
u saying that cause it has some paragraphs

>>126782324
that just sounds cliche and gay

>>126782171
nigga how have you not heard of sun ra arkestra

>>126783076
kinda like jazz in a way, just iterating on something we have heard a 1000 times before

>>126783306
weak tourist larp, yawn

>>126782284
Sounds retarded even high, let alone sober
>>126783306
Yeah totally unlike 99.9% of rock and metal bands still stuck with power chords and melodic minor, like toddlers playing with lego kek

>>126716445 (OP)
how was he so based?

>>126783090
Sun Ra isn't technically proficient, he would be laughed out of any music academy.

>>126783491
Interesting and unique compositions and playing, was always himself, was from Chicago which had a more open minded scene, played unconventional instruments like the contrabass clarinet and the sopranino sax, only cared about music and not posturing or being "hip", didn't fall for the heroin meme, didn't fall for the racial politics meme, didn't fall for the nation of islam meme, didn't fall for the fusion meme.

>>126783580
sun ra ARKESTRA is a different band nigga, read and pay attention next time

>>126771337
I don't love it but she's an interesting player and her guitar is excellent. I also commend her for being very small but still getting a very aggressive sound.

>>126783580
If I saw you IRL I would punch you in the face.

https://youtu.be/7TIOTKfKZKg
I love this one.

>>126783750
it's a fucking guitar, children get angry sounds out of it all the time

>>126783580
modern day music academies are fart-sniffing shitholes, you're just making him sound even more based

>>126784008
Cool comment pedant dipshit

I'll be honest, i kinda love that there are people here who hate the guitar.

>>126784491
Yeah how unique

>>126784540
Your cynicism disgusts me.

recs for extremely energetic post-bop azz like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNGVoeDXA6M

>>126784651
Your shit taste disgusts me.

>>126784702
You don't know my taste, i never said i hated the guitar, i said i loved that there are anons here who do.

>>126784804
That's cringe, and so are you.

>>126784451
why are low-T retards so desperate to associate manliness with fucking musical instruments, they're not construction tools

>>126784491
Me too, it's the most overrated instrument of all time. Especially if electric. Everything guitarists talk about when it comes to muh bends and muh texture is all coping over the fact that the instrument can't play a fraction of the chords that a piano can.

>>126784877
>>126784867
You faggots want to be special so bad

>>126784891
Even if that's true, it doesn't change the fact that the guitar is objectively harmonically inferior to piano. It has never been at the vanguard of the most popular developments in jazz, let alone fucking classical. Midwit instrument for midwits.

Listened to this today I'd never heard of this guy before I think I read Dave and just went oh brubeck yeah and left, but it's uh
It's not that.
I liked it it started growing on me around track two. Nowhere was really good too. I will say at one point during four winds one of the saxophone players did his best air escaping from a balloon impression that kind of took me out of it but other than that it was pretty solid.

>>126784867
It's as though musical instruments of all kinds can convey different emotions in different ways, and how they do so is an interesting thing about them. Though I wouldn't expect a jazz genius like yourself to understand shit like that, especially when you have the piano's cock so far down your throat.

>>126785479
>the piano's cock
Kek.

>>126785309
>his best air escaping from a balloon impression
That was most likely Braxton.

>>126785479
>It's as though musical instruments of all kinds can convey different emotions in different ways
Except the guitar of course, which is notably very limited in its options when it comes to dynamics, articulation, range etc.

>>126785802
Oh I get it, it hurt your fingies when you failed to fret first position chords and it made you really angry. That's a rough one dude.

Hadn't listened to any fusion in a while but I listened to eddie henderson Heritage and Mahal on a whim cause I was bored and they were quite good

>>126784491
i think its just because 4chan culture encourages arbitrarily hating things to seem deep and discerning

bedtime bump

https://youtu.be/0o0AYFRFX7g

>>126785309
this is goated, title track is a masterpiece

>concludes jazz guitar

>>126790665

Old King Dooji

https://youtu.be/Gx6R_hq0z60?si=BLJ79bYD_RnLmvFt

Anti-guitar fags acts as if timbre doesn't matter.

Just remembered I was really into this jazz guitar album some years ago

>>126791101
His latest album was easily AOTY

>>126785479
>piano's cock
>implying guitar isn't literally and figuratively the more phallic object

>>126791785
Correct

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLccpwGk_xup8SfKGArigelJQGmJ-95kXB

The only things worse than jazz guitar are jazz guitarists and jazz guitar fans

>>126791844
I am also including fusion amongst all those categories

>>126791799
Do you have to jerk off the piano legs to play it the same way you have to jerk off a guitar's fretboard and neck? No? Airtight argument.

>>126791081
>timbre
Literally not music.

this guy really has a personal crusade on wanting to grab our attention at any cost huh

>>126791885
I think you and I play guitar very differently

>>126791900
lol

Rhythm guitar is alright though, isn't it? Freddie Green and Fred Guy were integral to the rhythm sections of the Count Basie and Duke Ellington orchestra respectively

>>126791900
Then don't listen to anything but piano, forget a fucking orchestra, just listen to a piano reduction. Retard.

>>126790665
Oops, wrong pic
(Love Grant tho, one of the greats)

>>126792317
Top 3 tragic early deaths in jazz

>>126792338
Who are the other two?

>>126792289
i will, sounds based

>>126792464
Clifford Brown and Jimmy Blanton

>>126792018
no it isn't, not even in rock is that true

>>126792600
What's not true?

>>126792606
rhythm guitar of any sort being "alright"

>>126792586
>Not Booker Little
Anon...

>>126792582
Embarrassing.

>>126792613
Ok retard

>>126792649
Yes, very sad, but just slightly behind those other three in talent.

guitar is an instrument for songwriting

>>126792893
So is piano

>>126792649
Can you imagine being Max Roach, and have Clifford Brown (the best trumpeter since Fats Navarro) die on you aged 25, then to replace him with Booker Little (the most promising trumpeter since Clifford), only to have him die on you at age 23?

>>126716445 (OP)
Is Frank Sinatra jazz?

>>126792965
sometimes

>>126792965
Occasionally

>>126792965
Not quite. Definitely more pop than jazz. But he was certainly inspired by jazz and was at times accompanied by some proper jazz musicians.

>>126792965
does it need to be jazz?

>>126793000
No but I had an argument with someone on another board about whether he was

>>126793021
He at times fits into vocal jazz and obviously he was backed by very well known jazz guys. It isn't a simple fit but I think his 50s albums like Swing Easy are more or less clear instances where he fits well enough. It's never a slam dunk but saying he doesn't belong at all is wrong.

>>126792945
I'd start raiding negro orphanages these guys age like organic fruit

>>126792904
retard lmao

>>126791930
I think you dodged the question because you don't have a leg to stand on. Unlike pianos.

>>126793748
What's retarded about that?

>>126791101
why are Jews so heavily overrepresented in jazz?

>>126794379
*whites

>>126793117
Kek.

goodbye pork pie hat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV6MTldGBaU

>>126792965
No. Fails at the single most important and first criterion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Nm0wv0Q-7U

>>126794379
Because Jewish and Black communities in America have a history of solidarity and tend to exist in proximity to one another, the first integrated bands were also led by Jewish bandleaders (notably Goodman.)

jazz fusion is ..... 0 _ 0
less than ideal

>>126796482
>a history of solidarity
Yeah, sure...

>>126792945
>can you imagine being a trumpet player
the trumpet player always gets the short end of the stick
and when they arent dying they are getting some sort of mouth injury like when rafael mendez got hit in the face with a door

>>126716458
Listening to this right now. So f'n good.

And being the music selector of a webradio havin 1mil listeners per months trust me that is not a shit https://www.spaceecho.it/meridies/

>>126716458
Ironic that jazzheads thought this was his big sellout album just because it happened to be a fluke hit, when it's actually one of least accessible fusion outings to normie ears.

>>126799655
*his least accessible

>>126799655
normie jazzfag ears or normie rockist ears?

I love when sax sounds like its screaming

>>126799780
Me too.

>>126799780
>john coltrane sexually assaults a goose for 40 minutes

>>126799655
Bitches Brew is extremely accessible in a world accustomed to distortion, edgy sounds and vocals

>>126720547
A train

>>126800047
yeah the typical rock fan loves to listen to 20+ minute dissonant jams

>>126801636
Prog fans do.

/retard/ coming through.
What do you call the type of bass playing found here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B5CLIOs3HU
(starting around 0:13)

Is it just fretless bass? I love the way it sounds, and have heard it before, but never been able to pin it down.

>>126803001
Just sounds like a fretless to me. Pretty lame version of I Talk to the Wind btw, no balls.

thoughts on this style?

>>126803469
forgot link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tP0IYEVfOg&

>>126803469
Awful art.

Is this the coolest jazz album of all time?

>>126804140
god no

>>126803001
Yeah it's a fretless bass guitar, which is not the same thing as an electric upright bass in case you don't know. You can see what he's playing a bit on the album cover.

>>126804374
Show me cooler, then.

Blasting Blue Train for the first time in ages and it's so damn good.

Not a fan of On The Corner, personally. I'd rather listen to Agharta.

Overall i'd say this thread was a success.

We did it!! We finally hit the bump limit!

>>126804559
next bread