Thread 126734834

opinions on this album? what do you think about rock/metal bands playing with orchestras?

Listened to this a lot hanging out with buddies in high school. It was new, live, and included songs spanning their whole career so lots of value in it. I think they did a good job working with the orchestra. No Leaf Clover was my favorite. I don’t think I’ve listened to it since probably 2001 though.

It really encapsulates an era in my life, like this guy said >>126735114

>>126735114
yeah i listened to it a lot in high school too. would play it while going to sleep. and i was still getting fully into metallica at that time; i heard call of ktulu on S&M before i heard it on RtL

for me, it's

S&M2 was such a piece of shit. It's just the same exact thing but less songs and a couple of orchestral pieces thrown in for some reason. The 2 or 3 new songs were actually good, why couldn't it ALL have been new songs(as in not performed on S&M1) . Lazy cunts.

>>126734834 (OP)
i bought it when i was getting into metallica, i didn't know which of their earlier albums to get as i didn't have much money and i thought this was a normal compilation, when i listened to it i wanted to kill myself, it's a retarded album, just because you can do something like that doesn't mean you should do it

My favorite part is where greasy metal dudes are hobnobbing with dudes in suits. I'm not a big fan of live albums or gimmick albums but Michael Kamen was good at it and Metallica did it better than most other bands that have tried.

Also I've been off of 4chan for like 2 years, is there something wrong with file uploading or did Hiromoot fuck something up?

>>126735910
live albums in general are retarded. live DVD's for the win

>>126734834 (OP)
James autotune can be distracting.
Other than that, I share the same boring opinion that it had too many Load/Reload songs.
I remember the DVD had the option of isolating the orchestral track, Call of Ktulu, The Thing That Should Not Be and For Whom the Bell Tolls are the best ones.

>play Minus Human!
shouted noone ever

Ktulu, No Leaf Clover, Bleeding Me and Outlaw Torn are really the only tracks worth listening to.

>>126736236
>James autotune
?????

>>126736306
James vocals got autotuned the shit out of it. Listen closely to the verses on No Leaf Clover, I think it's the most noticeable example.
I know James can somehow sing in tune, but I guess it was too much of a task to keep up with an orchestra.

I don't remember the publication but Scott Stapp released a solo album in 2005 called "The Great Divide" and the magazine review said it was presumably named after the space between Stapp's ears. That's randomly popped up in my head over the last 20 years.

>>126736352
No Leaf Clover and -Human were both studio tracks they mimed for the DVD. Thats why they have a completely different mix than the rest of the album which itself is comprised of takes from a few different shows. I don't know if there's autotune on his voice or if he was just able to get better vocal takes in the studio. Auto-tune was a lot more obvious back then. I think its mostly just good studio takes with vocal effects on them.

>>126736236
james doesn't use autotune

This was how I first heard their Load songs. Ofc they only did mostly the good ones on this. I ran out & bought them right away. Their doom & gloom appealed to me at the time.

>>126742484
>>126739866
It's pretty obvious, unless you're not familiar with autotune.
Pick any song where he holds a note for a long time, like the chorus on Bleeding Me, you'll notice these pitch corrections that sound unnatural.
You can also compare the vocal performance with Cunning Stunts to make it even ore obvious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdGyqRgf73Y

>>126744004
>uhhh he's using autotune because....because he just is ok!

>>126734834 (OP)
'Tallica baby.
Y'all already know what it is. Epic shit as per usual

>>126744079
Yes.

>>126734834 (OP)
>Length: 133:14

>>126744004
growing up and going from this to St. Anger, I always thought his voice just naturally changed over time and he just couldn't deliver another performance like the one in s&m

it all makes sense now

>>126734834 (OP)
It’s one of the best rock/symphony collaborations ever, in my opinion. It’s one of my favorite things the band has ever done and still holds up today. Also, Minus Human is one of the best songs they’ve ever written. It’s an absolute fucking shame they don’t play it live. That songs crushes.

>>126744907
I agree with this guy. -Human is one hell of a song. It’s strange why they’ve never played it again since.

>>126734834 (OP)
It’s dope. I have no issues with it.

>>126734834 (OP)
If you want to laugh and cringe to death at the same time look up the time Dave Mustaine played with an orchestra

>>126744079
the whole album is over-dubbed so why wouldn't they add more stuff to make it sound better?

>>126745364
i'm laughing and cringing at the very thought

>>126735830
Dream Theater already has these symphonic arrangements in their songs, I was kinda underwhelmed when I got to hear it.

>>126746238
yeah but it was a goated setlist

>>126734834 (OP)
I was 13 when S&M came out. I wore the absolute fuck out of that DVD, rarely did it leave my player. It’s the only successful blend of symphonic metal/rock that exists. Metallica did not fuck around and it showed. Still one of my favorite things the band has ever done.

>>126734834 (OP)
it's alright

>>126735850
Lars didn't feel like rehearsing

>>126734834 (OP)
Always loved it, still do.

>>126734834 (OP)
Minus Human is my fucking jam. Really strange how they’ve completely abandoned it as if it was never written to begin with.

I had the DVD, not sure if I enjoyed it or just played it a lot because I liked Metallica so much when I was a kid and wanted to have everything they put out.

I just can't listen to James sing live post-Black Album. It makes my physically cringe.

>>126748162
Kek, so true. If I remember correctly he lost his voice and then he hired a vocal coach and from then on it was never the same.
>YEAAAAAH

>>126734834 (OP)
Good drinking sessions cranking this album.
S&M2 didn't nearly have the same impact, and Hetfield looked bloated and depressed.
1999/2000 was a good time.

>>126748162
Definitely late 90s he got into that crooner/oversinging/yodel phase which was lame.
You can also hear the autotune on S&M, its very apparent.

>>126739866
If you deconstruct the 5.1 mix, eliminate the vocal channel & you can hear the slight bleed of the OG vocals through the live recording. No Leaf Clover OG live vocals are squeaky & pitchy. He must've been back on the booze by '99, his voice was "fat".

>>126735850
>S&M2 was such a piece of shit
That part where Edwin Outhouse or whoever was doing non-Metallica tunes with orchestra in the second half was such a drag, by the time Unforgiven 3 comes around I am done.

>>126734834 (OP)
>what do you think about rock/metal bands playing with orchestras?
More bands should do it

>>126734834 (OP)
I don’t know much, but what I do know is that Ktulu sounds fucking sick and was begging for a symphony to be supporting it given its structure. That blew me away the first time I ever heard it.

>>126746197
It was really bad. He played with tons of distortion and ruined it

>>126734834 (OP)
The last time metallica was any good, that and I disappear. Crazy how they haven't managed to write anything good after that, it's like all the edge and inspiration went away with some kind of monster.

>>126749411
well now i'm going to watch it

>>126749634
Once you're rich AND old, you don't care anymore and have nothing to sing about
What's there to sing about, how hard it is to live in a gigantic mansion with your family?

>>126745428
>well if this one thing is true, that means this other thing is!
low IQ thought pattern. VERY common on this site.

>>126739866
>No Leaf Clover and -Human were both studio tracks they mimed for the DVD.
Wrong way round. They played those songs live at the concerts, but decided to re-record quite a lot of the parts in the studio for the CD and DVD release. Pretty much all the vocals as well as a bunch of guitars. Lars' drums and the orchestra remain from the live recording.
>I don't know if there's autotune on his voice or if he was just able to get better vocal takes in the studio.
There's a lot of autotune throughout S&M, and those songs are no exception.

>>126750630
>well they did this one thing, so it's very logical they would do this other thing because they want it to sound as best as possible
>hmm, it definetly sounds like they did this other thing if you listen closely
>NO THEY DIDN'T! DID YOU ASK THEM DIRECTLY? WERE YOU THERE WHEN THEY MIXED IT? WHERE'S THE EVIDENCE?

>>126751597
why are you having a meltdown over being asked for proof? until you provide some, he doesn't use it. he was still a very capable singer in the late 90s. even nowadays where he clearly struggles on multiple songs that are in the higher registers he doesn't use it.

>>126753047
everybody can tell except for you and they provided proof based on the video with isolated vocals. Even the comments on that video agree too. He was a competent vocalist but it's hard to get good audio quality live and when you release stuff on an album you want it to sound as best as possible to increase sales, hence why you will use mixing tricks to make it sound as best as possible.