Why don't you pay for music?

I do.

>>126770076 (OP)
Its super easy not to.

treating music as something not worth paying for is viewing it as something without much worth at all.

>>126770388
I think the same about video games

Most of the artists I listen to are dead or quintuple gorillionaires if they're still alive. I did just pirate a Neil Young album this morning because fuck that guy.

>>126770076 (OP)
I do actually. I'm a dj and have had mega fails in front of crowds because I downloaded a shitty file, So now I pay.

>>126770599
Hey bud maybe you should try making or playing your own original music instead of playing someone elses :^)
Djs are a joke kek

>>126770615

>>126770076 (OP)
I'm too based

>>126770076 (OP)
I do tho

>>126770599
>Didn't proof listen his material
B R U H

rabidly pirate everything without mercy
then if I really like an album I quite often buy it even though I already have it, so long as the artist isn’t rich or dead

>>126770995
It happens when you are doing a 4-5 hour set and you have 5TB of music.
But I've learned my lesson.

>>126771025
this is what i do too, its pointless to cuck yourself out of exploring more music when all you have to do these days is copy a digital file. its nothing.

>>126770076 (OP)
Music should be easily accessible to everyone.

>>126771083
A funny titbit. Our country (Eastern Euro) was banned from purchasing music from Beatport/Juno/Traxsource for many years because someone had secretly hacked it and was downloading tracks for DJ's for almost a decade without anyone noticing.

I may or may not know one of the guys...

>>126770555
Yeah, I'm not giving money to Sony and whatever Hedge fund owns the catalog of someone.

i pay for music if they deserve it

>>126770076 (OP)
If i can get the milk for free, you can be damn sure id be fucking cows

>>126770076 (OP)
Fuck that
SOULSEEK FTW

>>126771083
What happen to you? Did you download a file with Cotton Eye Joe or fart sounds instead of music?

I don't want to

>>126770076 (OP)
because I don't need to

>>126770076 (OP)
I do

I spent $177 at the record store today

>>126770076 (OP)
Cause i exclusively buy merch

>>126770076 (OP)
I bought plenty of CDs as a kid. That's my duty done for this lifetime.

>>126770076 (OP)
I broke a string

>>126770076 (OP)
I pay indirectly.
which is to say, I pay for Spotify like a normie, which I then supplement by paying for concert tickets, LPs, and merch.

Music is an insdustrial product.

>>126770076 (OP)
I buy CDs. I buy shirts. I buy hats. I buy tickets. I buy random bullshit. I don't buy streaming services. I don't buy mp3 files. I don't buy vinyl. You don't know me.

Spotify Premium family membership from a former friend from high school who somehow still hasn't removed me after like 10 years

>>126770076 (OP)
I believe music should be conveniently avaliable to everyone for free which is why I use free Spotify premium.

>>126770076 (OP)
public library 9 billion kate bush albums zero dollars this is how i afford my rent

>>126770388
>>126770242

I pay the artists directly but all the artists I listen to are dead

>>126774030
that much for wall art huh

paying for anything is gay

>>126771147
no one is entitled to music

>>126771147
it is. it's not expensive.

>>126770388
If food was this easy to steal id do it also.

Like if all food was just on stands in the middle of nowhere, with no one around, with a basket saying please pay for this, and it was widely known that one out of every five hundred thousand people get punished for taking food. I might steal food.

It being easy to steal doesn't make it worthless.

>>126770615
I have a buddy who's a dj, and now trying to be a producer. But his whole thing is just remixing other stuff and samples. We got in a thing where i said it feels kinda cheap to just re-purpose existing stuff. Even if the end result is good. Its just not as pure as making it all from scratch.
He disagrees.

>>126774118
This kinda. I buy a shirt for every band i really like at their shows. Ill even buy a few if i really like them. I dont buy records because im not a hipster and wtf cds. Digital music i just listen to on Spotify.

>>126777460
would you steal a painting too? hang it up? would you be proud to own it knowing how easy it was to take?

knowing you didn't have to part with something valuable in exchange for something makes that thing feel like it has no value at all. we're treating music like it's worthless when we just take it.

>>126770076 (OP)
I mostly pay for music. When I download albums it's usually stuff I've bought once or twice already.

>>126770076 (OP)
Because I don't think musicians should get rich by releasing music. If you want to get paid, get into a bus and go touring.

>>126777646
if we exclude musicians that are already big and shilled by media sure. but real artists, they don't get rich, they get compensated. they earn a living.

>>126777582
If everything was just laying around unguarded, and punishments for stealing was practically non existent, and duplicates would be made near instantly (like how digital music never runs out) itd be hard to tell me to spend money on it.

I get your argument of, if it costs you nothing it doesnt feel like it has value. The library of ps plus games mean nothing to me because they didn't cost anything.

But if you really resonate with a piece of art, that connection has value. Ive loved games i played for free, and i loved music i got for free. It being free wont deprive it of its value entirely. The value will be less material, and more emotional.

>>126777360
I am

>>126777582
A painting is not music.cl checkmate

>>126777582
>we're treating music like it's worthless when we just take it.
I like that song therefore is no worthless

>>126777692
and i get what you're saying too. i agree you can resonate and appreciate the art 100% even if you didn't pay for it. my argument is that just taking it is treating it like it's nothing and i don't believe that's right.

>>126777857
Its treating it like it has no monetary value. Not the same as no value at all.

I do, but almost always second hand cds and records. I don't listen to a ton of brand new stuff.

>>126777970
which i literally just admitted in the post your responded to.

but monetary value is still value all the same. that's why everyone wants money. the more value something has the more money is asked for it. we deem the value of things. we have deemed music a lot less than it's true worth by not willing to exchange something valuable like money for it.

i pay for streaming and i have bought a few cd's, though the last cd's i bought were quite a few years ago

>>126777582
Piracy isn’t stealing it’s copying. Nothing is lost it’s ones and zeros on a computer that you only think has value because the ruling class (not artists, actual top of the music biz people with money to pay lobbyists/lawmakers) have conditioned you to think so. Consumers don’t need to pay artists more, companies do. It’s the same wealth inequality we all experience.

I do and I don't, what's it to you?

>>126770076 (OP)
I don't believe art should be rewarded with money.

Sometimes I will purchase an album on Bandcamp if I can't find it for free. That's about it.

>>126773642
The file was just corrupted and it stopped at the middle of playing.

>>126770599
>>126771083
>>126778563
Based eurohouse rave DJ.

>>126770076 (OP)
I'm poor

>>126778516
you see music as ones and zeros and don't see a problem?

>>126778528
then you should also believe that you are not entitled to ownership of someone's art

>>126778598
It's a cool livin...cheers bro

Most musicians are the kind of people I would regret supporting financially. Most don't deserve my money and it's too hard to know who are the exceptions.

>>126779093
I wish they would give out their venmo or something, I'd rather give out directly to them than the companies.

Is there a Patreon type of platform for musicians, is Bandcamp that way? I've never used Bandcamp.

>>126779130
In theory bandcamp was supposed to be that, but a lot of the time it's record labels managing things so you don't know where the money is going.

>>126776870
Thats cheap for "wall art"
Are you poor or something?

>>126779142
>but a lot of the time it's record labels managing things so you don't know where the money is going.
That's very unfortunate.

Is Spotify still raping artists?
I was thinking the other day, you know when you watch a tik-tok (I presume) or a youtube short and there's a song running in the background of the video - a lot of times it's small artists - do they pay them good?

>>126779130
Funny enough Patreon was started by a guy to help fund his band. I know Foxing and Delta Sleep have them but those two self-release their stuff. I imagine an artist with a record deal would have to cut in their label so it wouldn't be worth it like what >>126779142 says about Bandcamp

I have downloaded and deleted, and downloaded and deleted, and downloaded and deleted St. Anger for 20 years. Fuck you Lars, I'll do it again.

>>126779249
>Funny enough Patreon was started by a guy to help fund his band
lol
What percentage does Patreon take? I'm seeing different rates when I google it - it says between 5-12% which is not bad.

They should expand and make a Patreon music or whatever.

>>126779302
You're taking pancakes off his table

>>126779302
He's such a bad drummer, It's unbelievable.
There's a couple of videos of Dave Lombardo and the guy from Slipknot playing drums for Metallica for some live shows and the songs sounds so fucking tight.