Thread 126776603

And why is it Tchaikovsky?

I DON'T KNOW

For me, it's Chopin

>>126776603 (OP)
He isn't the greatest, but he's definitely better than Wagner. And that's good enough.

>>126776603 (OP)
>>126776696
Tchaikovsky and Mozart, along with Schubert and Chopin are high S tier melodists bar none. But none of them are "the greatest" - whatever that means.

>>126776603 (OP)
overrated pederast

>>126780143
Well yeah I agree- there have been much better pederasts

>>126776696
It's so strange that one of the three most famous composers to ever live, is also underrated musically.

>>126780168
Mozart is the most googled composer according to google trends, Mozart's concertos, operas and last 2 symphonies are some of the most frequently programmed in their respective genres, his quintets and some of the piano sonatas are the most famous in their respctive genres. Requiem is probably top 5 most famous classical piece ever written (unfinished but still). So my question is, what the fuck are you even talking about you spastic child?

My favorite composer of all time lives down the street from me. His name is Larry.

>>126780154
Name one.

And no, Michael Jackson never made anything as good as the Manfred Symphony, nor the First Piano Concerto.

>>126780286
6th symphony and ballets are better.
But I guess he meant Saint-Saëns, who allegedly once shouted "I am not a homosexual, I am a pederast!"

>>126780222
He's famous, yes, but it's not understood by general audiences how gifted and innovative he really was. In addition, some professionals, particularly those of the romantic persuasion also underplay his ability.

>>126780286
Aaron Copland

>>126779523
>high S tier melodists
And when you say best melodists, you just mean best composers amirite.

>>126780402
>how gifted and innovative he really was
That's simply untrue, as I already pointed out, his fame reflects on general consensus about his "gift".
>some professionals, particularly those of the romantic persuasion also underplay his ability.
No. Those of the romantic persuasion are have high neuroticism and look for more dissonant textures. They din't underplay his ability, they have inherent preference to the romantic style.

>>126780402
>how gifted and innovative he really was
That's simply untrue, as I already pointed out, his fame reflects on general consensus about his "gift".
>some professionals, particularly those of the romantic persuasion also underplay his ability.
No. Those of the romantic persuasion have high neuroticism and look for more dissonant textures. They don't underplay his ability, they have inherent preference for the romantic style.

>>126776603 (OP)
The only legitimate answer when it comes to this pointless exercise is: Bach.

>>126780943
Beethoven*

>>126780979
Arguable, but no. Bach was great in everything he touched. Beethoven, not so much.

>>126780286
It was a joke Mark, it was a Christmas joke

Eheh, you wish kiddo... if anything, you guessed the right country, cold, harsh Russia... but you gotta wait a few other decades for the real, greatest composer of all time... the one who challenged the pantheon of the gods, that unlocked the gates to the gnosis tower peaking at the 99th sky of Abraxas, yes...

Oh, his spacetime-continuum warping is too much for you? Can't you feel the twofold partition of vibration, the manifestation of sound in the color tristimulus! Eheh, can you... I don't blame you, apparently not everyone is yet meant to "get it"... after all, can't have the elected few if not through the poor preterite... but there will come the day where the final message will be revealed to all, mark my words, eheh... even though it may be quite a distant future...

>>126780222
Other than the Rondo Alla Turca and the simple one that every piano novice learns, Mozart's piano sonatas aren't particularly famous.

>>126776696
so boring. most overrated perhaps. I've played a lot of his orchestral works and a couple of his violin concertos. Snooze city

>>126782377
Scriabin is based.

>>126776603 (OP)
nobodoy who thinks Tchaikovsky is the best is listening to classical the right way.
he (and other russians) appeal to modern sensibilities, not the (superior and tasteful) classical ones, which is why the uninitiated like him.

>>126780222
the average person does not even finish listening to those pieces they clock out after 3 minutes

>>126782793
3 minutes is good for Mozart

>>126776603 (OP)
For solo piano, I have to go with Faure.

>>126782749
>the (superior and tasteful) classical ones
Which are these, wise sir?

>>126782819
Supremely based.

>>126782749
>nobodoy who thinks Tchaikovsky is the best is listening to classical (((the right way)))
>he (and other russians) appeal to modern sensibilities, not the (superior and tasteful) classical ones, which is why the uninitiated like him.

>>126782749
Lowbrow spotted

>>126782575
you are too dumb to comment on musically as is the case with anyone who calls mozart boring

>>126783160
lowbrows thend to overrate russians and underrate vianesse classicism (the opposite of what I did)
they also tend to like video game music, as I'm sure anyone whose favorite composer is fucking Tchaikovsky does

>>126782821
not overusing the natural minor and octatonic scales or leaning so heavily into folk-music influence, for a start

>>126783259
i guarantee you I know more about music than you unless you're a seasoned classical composer.
I just find his melodic and harmonic styles dull

>>126783259
>You aren't allowed to find Mozart boring-that's illegal

>>126782377
>can't have the elected few if not through the poor preterite.
What does this mean? Do you even know what preterite means?

>>126783275
>no u!
Concession accepted, lowbrow kraut overrater

>>126776603 (OP)
Stravinsky, for inventing zeuhl with Les Noces.

>>126782575
>boring
Boredom is a subjective emotional state of the listener. It says more about your level of attention, education, and taste than about the object itself. You wouldn't call advanced mathematics "boring" simply because you don't understand it either because that would reveal your ignorance, not a flaw in mathematics.
>most overrated perhaps
fptmiu
>I've played a lot of his orchestral works and a couple of his violin concertos
Lol, right.

>>126783307
>overusing
Define it.
>the natural minor and octatonic scales or leaning so heavily into folk-music influence
And that's bad because?

>>126780392
I've only listened to a small amount of Saint-Saëns. Just the Organ Symphony so far. Certainly a masterwork, but I'd like to hear much more.

>>126785089
it's just bad because...it's just bad alright!!!

>>126782377
Scriabin is love, Scriabin is life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhAQjqfew2g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pCcTI4jRY8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AAIlO9w34o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV_7nOxeFi4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwj1cCL9Lsg

>>126780979
Bach*

>>126776603 (OP)
for the woody oboe/basson combo's that seem to generate that strange energy you get from the original disney cartoons, like existence was written into being and your regarding it for the first time

>>126783307
>leaning so heavily into folk-music influence
That's actually what makes him great

>>126783307
>these things are bad because... they just are okay!!!
Really convincing "arguments" you've got there, retarded faggot.

it's Haydn

>>126785074
I played violin concerto 3 in G major and 4 in D major. I definitely learned a lot from them stylistically, but they aren't very musically interesting. I have played dozens of Mozart pieces in orchestras. I don't recall having played a full Mozart symphony, but I'm pretty sure I played a lot of the Magic Flute, Don Giovanni, and Marriage of Figaro. I was in orchestra from age like 10 to 22 so there were a lot of overtures and excerpts and things of that nature.

>>126783758
>You aren't allowed to find Mozart boring-that's illegal
Yeah, bitch, it is. You're going to jail.

>>126785074
No one but the most irredeemable autist would call it anything but boring. That’s not to say it isn’t useful.
Music is actually meant to be entertaining though

>>126791405
Like I said, boredom is a subjective emotional state of the listener. It says more about your level of attention, education, and taste than about the object itself. You wouldn't call advanced mathematics "boring" simply because you don't understand it either because that would reveal your ignorance, not a flaw in mathematics.

>>126791677
Well your engagement says more about you than it does about the object
>You wouldn't call advanced mathematics "boring" simply because you don't understand it either because that would reveal your ignorance, not a flaw in mathematics.
Right, what if I did understand it and called it boring?

>>126791677
I have way more attention for higher math than I do for Mozart. Give me Tchaikovsky, Stravisnksi, Shostakovitch instead.

>>126791727
>Right, what if I did understand it and called it boring?
You don't. There is clearly some level you don't understand, whether technical or aesthetic.

>>126793550
And here we are back to
>You aren't allowed to find Mozart boring-that's illegal
Either you love Mozart or you just don't get it and are stupid. No notion of subjective opinion

>>126793589
I didn't say or imply stupidity. It's just a case of either not paying attention, not being educated on the subject, or having bad taste.

>>126793657
>I didn't say or imply stupidity.
Oh, please