they never topped that, did they?

>>126779484 (OP)
Yeah they did in the very next album

>>126779484 (OP)
The answer is no, they never topped it. The band got more popular, more professional in the studio, arguably "better" at writing songs, but never as interesting or forward thinking as this album. It was Syd's band. It is what it is.

>>126780199
this and based

>>126779484 (OP)
they never did
>>126780199
that would be the 2nd best PF album, behind piper

>>126779484 (OP)
They did on Meddle, Ummagumma, Animals and DSOTM.
Yeah, that is PF's 5th best album

>>126780942
if you ever adquire a patrician taste, you'll come back to piper

>>126779484 (OP)
Contrarian retards overrate this garbage so much on here. It's not even a top 5 Pink Floyd album.

>>126781851
It is, if you're not retarded

>>126781854
>I know a mouse, and he hasn't got a house I don't know why, I call him Gerald
He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse
Wow, such intelligent and thought provoking lyrics

>>126781877
they are kino, whats wrong with them

>>126780199
Hell yeah

>>126781877
>NOOOOOOOOOOO, WHERE IS MUH WE LIVE IN LE SOCIETY

>>126779484 (OP)
To me, they did, but it's still amazing.
The fact that they had two once in a lifetime genius leaders in the same band (Syd & Rog) baffles me. After Syd was gone they somehow transformed into an even better band.
You could say that Syd's era is less "mind" and more "soul" in a way, and more rock and roll. When I hear some of the songs I feel in his voice some sort of twisted pain, but maybe it's me imaginging it. The kinda "ahhhhh" sounds in the songs in Piper feel pretty haunting. Matilda Mother, Jugband Blues, Chapter 24 are some of my favorite Pink Floyd songs period. And his solo stuff is pure sovl too.
But the Roger led Pink Floyd had a completely different songwriting style. I rarely connect with an album the way I did with The Wall, Dark Side, Animals..
You can make the case that any from these could be their best:
>Dark Side
>Wish You Were Here
>The Wall
>Piper
>Animals
And honestly? They don't have a single bad album. Even the post Roger era is fine. And the transition period between Syd and Roger is fine too.
Ummagumma is good. Saucerful is amazing. Atom Heart Mother is super unique (I don't like David/Wright tracks but If and the suite are great). Live at Pompeii is a masterpiece, Obscured by Clouds and More have pretty good tunes.
Everything is at least decent. Even their missteps are more interesting than most bands' best work.
>>126781877
you are dumb

>>126781958
DSOTM
>money is... le bad
>racism is... le bad
WYWH
>music industry is... le bad
Animals
>capitalism is... le bad
Wall
>ugh, war is... le bad?
>fascism is... le bad
Yea no thanks I prefear piper

>>126779484 (OP)
Roger Waters ruined Syd Barrett's band

>>126781982
>DSOTM
A meta album about life and the human condition. May seem pretentious the lyrics are good, especially in Eclipse: how "everything under the sun is in tune but the sun is eclipsed by the moon". It all makes sense but there's flaw. shadows in the material world
>WYWH
That's just one song. The album is more than that. SOYD is beautiful. Music is also as good as it can get
>Animals
I don't think it's a critique of capitalism. I think it's more of a narration of a a sociological change.
Dogs (burgeois) are dudes trying to "make it": hustlers, the Andrew Tate types. They stab people in the back, etc.
Pigs are a sleeping class of I suppose fascism.
Sheep are masses.
Sheep narrates that societal shift: the sheep can sense something is off, Pigs overthrow the Dogs and it's le fascism.
And then Pigs on the Wing is about a Dog who realized that his pursuit of wealth is useless and settled down, found a home and wife.
>Wall
Not at all. In any case "trauma is le bad". It's about some dude who had trauma (dad dying at a young age, education system belittling him, mother being overprotective, etc.) and to cope with all of that he built a mechanism (the wall). Which numbed the pain but isolated him from everyone else. That made him even more alienated and the feedback loop continued. He tried to connect with people from inside but it was impossible because the wall blurred his soul, it made it impossible for him. Eventually for some reason he gets a fascist delusion, and then realized "alright dude I gotta face my demons" and holds a trial with his own mind, and then tears down that wall, being exposed for who he really is.
In Outside the Wall he sees the people who were waiting for his wall to be torn down: few people, maybe parents, maybe siblings. He realizes that artists create bridges to facilitate the connection. And finally, that many left because they couldn't just handle "banging their hearts against some mad bugger's wall".
Kino.

>>126782204
I also wanna say this. Every attempt to critique art is a form of autobiography. So some of my "takes" are really just my interpretation, my projections maybe. Just so you know. But I found their music to be a good mirror into my life.
I know it's cooler to say that every single attempt at being "deep" sucks, but I found it moving. Maybe im a pleb but I liked it a lot.

>>126782204
This is so much more pretentious than anything Syd ever dreamt on doing. God, he probably died of disappointment from seeing what they did to his beloved band.

>>126779484 (OP)
Chapter 24

I honestly like some of Syd's stuff better. Baby Lemonade, Gigolo Aunt and Wolfpack are so good.

>>126781993
>Roger goes insane over daddy issues and leaves the band
>Syd replaces him with David (the superior bassist)
>he eventually starts playing guitar too
>PF continues as a psych-prog act with Syd and David exchanging guitar parts and vocals in a Zappa/Vai type thing
>Roger rots at home and dies of cancer
best timeline

>>126782204
>>126782215
thats fair.
>I know it's cooler to say that every single attempt at being "deep" sucks
You got me there. If I had to say the reason why I dont connect with those 4 albums, which share a lot of universal values that we can all agree on, I think its because it all gets told as if they, PF, want to have the moral high ground to teach me about those things. You have to be more subtile to talk about deep phylosophical stuff. I guess "too preachy" for my taste

>>126782315
What if Kevin Ayers and Syd formed a super group together?

>>126782412
Imagine: Syd Barrett, Kevin Ayers, Nico and Alexander Spence.

>>126782456
I'm imagining it and it sounds like shit

>>126782260
Sure it may be pretentious but with that logic "BRO JUST NEVER TALK ABOUT LIFE BRO JUST DON'T TRY TO SAY SOMETHING DEEP". Every rational (limited) interpretation of life is gonna fall short of the infinitely complex reality of existence.
>>126782365
Well yeah, I agree that existence and the world we live in is unfathomably complex. No one can explain it. We've been living here for gazillion years and neither the rationalist/materialists from reddit who say "BRO ITS ALL ATOMS or [INSERT LABEL]". Nor the gnostics or religious people can actually explain this. Maybe the jews with the kabbalah came closer but it's still all models that fall short under the infinite complexity of existence. But this is a more esoteric /x/ conversation.
My point is, when a human with a rational mind tries to get "meta" about life, it will always be limited. So it might often feel cringe and shallow. Because it is shallow.
That said, I still connected with it a lot. Like, dude:
>if you should go skating on the thin ice of modern life
>dragging behind you the silent reproach of a million tear stained eyes
>don't be surprised when a crack in the ice appears under your feet
>you'll slip out of your depth and out of your mind
>with your fear flowing out behind you as you claw the thin ice
As someone who is scared of going crazy, this resonates a lot with me. Brain Damage, Outside the Wall, One of My Turns, If, etc. All of his albums. And David is a virtuous guitarrist who may not be that good of a lyricist or songwriter but is very talented nonetheless. Wright adds flair that no one could add. Mason is a very good drummer too. It's a perfect band. It works.
And don't get me wrong, I think Rog is a dick and Syd has more sovl and rock and roll factor. Rog probably psyoped him out of the band. But that doesn't take away from the fact that his art is good too. I guess they were both two brilliant artists and roger's narcissistic ass couldn't handle not being the sole visionary.

>>126782507
Oh and since we're having this conversation. My post is cringe for that very same reason. You can't just analyze existence without being cringe. The definition of coolness is not caring and not analyzing this very thing. Having your spirit take over instead of your rational mind.
There's a text by Ortega called Ensimismamiento y Alteración which is great and talks about this.

bump

>>126779484 (OP)
The Wall > Dark Side > Piper > WYWH > Animals
but really they all suck

>>126781980
I have genius IQ actually.

1. WYWH
2. Piper
3. AHM
4. Animals
5. Meddle

>>126782456
How about Syd, Kevin, Robert Wyatt, and Rick Wright?

>>126783476
Then it's a shame you're not using it

love you, Rog

>>126779484 (OP)
God, pre DSOTM pink floyd was so kino

>>126779484 (OP)
It tops British 60s psych for sure. Even is better at being trippy and ahead of it's time than Sgt pepper or really any other psych record at the time

>>126781982
>gnomes are... le good
>bikes are... le good

>>126780199
fpbp

>>126781993
>Roger Waters ruined Syd Barrett's band
Truth nuke. He turned Pink Floyd into a white people bad communist propaganda band.

>>126782315
>>Roger rots at home and dies of cancer
I fucking wished. Hell has a special place for marxist scum like him.

>>126779484 (OP)
They topped it in their secoind album and in everything they did in the entirety of the 1970s.

>>126786813
yes

>>126782493
stay out of mu, troon

>>126789087
You think the troon is the one who doesn't listen to that shit? Fuck that's funny

>>126788113
>white people bad
In which song did they ever do that? they never mention race in any of their songs you faggot

>>126790090
>they never mention race
Us and them: "Black, and Blue"
they mention the black race and then some unknown blue skinned race

>>126790116

>>126790116
Blue = cops (mostly white ones)

>>126779484 (OP)
That’s not Atom heart mother

>>126791535
I dont know if I get massively filtered but I dont get AHM at all

>>126791550
Filtered bro

>>126779484 (OP)
Relistened to Ummagumma live disc, and holy shit does its version of Astronomy Domine destroys Soyd's one.

>>126791563
lol cmon man

>>126791585
I know, poor Soyd.

yeah piper is the undisputed best and is patrician for its own sake, contrarian takes can be patrician too i guess but i think piper is the clear cut above
the criticism of le stupid lyrics are quite reddit bc its a stylistic choice and in a way more intelligent than the hippy lsd "wow my ideas are sooo profound" we live in a society takes

>>126791640
Yeah, I think it's an obviously interesting and novel idea at the time to move from the likes of Interstellar Overdrive psych right into something like Edward Lear or Lewis Carroll (etc) inspired lyrics. The link between them is clear and even obvious, but that's what made Syd's idea worthwhile