Thread 126790715

Rachmaninov edition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U2qCJKWApg&list=OLAK5uy_mVo1gSzf4BvmdPa2oWOHjra1W8SzS1ab0&index=5

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFh

Previous: >>126762916

>>126790715 (OP)
For me it's his songs.

https://youtu.be/_hT-rq3jTIE?si=se1Elnza_eAQfSmg

Rachmaninoff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj0h02TWZyo

reminder that Chopin is the best of all time.

thoughts on Da Bussy?

>>126790806
Late piano music ESSENTIAL.

>>126790768
favorite Chopin interpreter? for me it's Rubinstein, Ashkenazy and Arrau aren't bad either.

Scriabin, my beloved...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhAQjqfew2g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pCcTI4jRY8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AAIlO9w34o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV_7nOxeFi4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwj1cCL9Lsg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKpKiFAF19I

>>126790883
Not a huge fan of Chopin, but I have two complete or quasi-complete sets, one by Garrick Ohlsson and one by Ashkenazy. Both sound perfectly fine to me. Ohlsson spectacular in the preludes. F oir the first piano concerto I like Argerich with Abaddo.

>>126790767
>wife of Emil Gilels
>Rosa Vladimirovna Tamarkina was a Soviet pianist who won second prize in the III International Chopin Piano Competition in Warsaw (1937).
Interesting. Listening.
>>126790768
Correct. Rach and Brahms come after.
>>126790883
Depends for what. But Zimerman is nearly perfect in every Chopin he played. Although Argerich or Arrau are slightly better for 3rd sonata, and Yuchan Lim's recording of Etudes are probably my favorite, Moravec for preludes. Perahia for 3rd, maybe 1st ballade. Picrel is a recently discovered, good recording of the cello sonata paired with very underrated one of Alkan's but there are many good ones(Chopin). Rubinstein has good recordings but low quality is a turn off. And sometimes he goes too fast which I dislike.

Not a big fan of Ashkenazy for Chopin other than some Waltzes and Mazurkas.

>>126791000
who is your favorite for Nocturnes?

>>126791053
Depends on the Nocturne. Hough has a good set but can be fast. Maria Pires is great, but can be slow. Paik is decent. My favorite of op.48 no.1 is probably Arrau's

>>126790768
Underrated gem

For me, it's Elgar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoSyRMjJN2k

now playing, continuing with Jonathan Biss' Beethoven piano sonatas cycle

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 15 in D Major, Op. 28 "Pastoral"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngIcxniDxEQ&list=OLAK5uy_luMbsKvyR60NxdlzwbovH3MTNuQRCgF7s&index=2

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 16 in G Major, Op. 31 No. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KPQrGS9ISs&list=OLAK5uy_luMbsKvyR60NxdlzwbovH3MTNuQRCgF7s&index=6

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 21 in C Major, Op. 53 "Waldstein"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkIhYc6z6ak&list=OLAK5uy_luMbsKvyR60NxdlzwbovH3MTNuQRCgF7s&index=8

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_luMbsKvyR60NxdlzwbovH3MTNuQRCgF7s

Love it. Revitalized performances of Beethoven's piano sonatas for our time.

>This handsomely-produced boxset of the complete Piano Sonatas (Orchid Classics) presents the sonatas not in chronological order, as many sets do, but rather with a cross-section of sonatas on each disc, to demonstrate Biss’s conviction that each one stands as a brilliant masterpiece in its own right. This approach – one which he is also taking in his concert cycle – allows the listener to appreciate the individual qualities and distinct structures of each sonata, and the extraordinary development in Beethoven’s piano writing. Thus, the final sonatas, usually presented as a trilogy, in concert and on disc, are placed on separate discs within the context of sonatas from different periods of Beethoven’s compositional life. Biss refutes the notion that Beethoven had three distinct compositional periods as an over-simplification and instead urges the listener to view Beethoven’s compositional style in “a perpetual state of evolution”; even the final sonatas still betray some of his gruffness and a desire to shock, while the slow movements of the early sonatas look forward to later ones in their heart-stopping beauty and eloquence.

>romantishit edish
cleansing this thread:

The ending to Bach's St. Matthew Passion is so beautiful it hurts, bros...
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn6hKinnZKM
i think it might be the single most beautiful classical piece to exist

>>126791806
Left wing Matt Walsh plays Beethoven

>>126791832
It's OK

>>126791834
Beethoven belongs to the people! Redistribute his music NOW

>>126791832
Oh, we know, anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFkVYZFSijs&list=OLAK5uy_kxQxWP3xbX2Zt0bPbwVELFP0Ilz0ayu1E&index=68

>>126791832
More like shitting on this thread

speaking of SMP, just saw Mengelberg/RCO have a recording of it from 1952(?). anyone heard it? it any good?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhLEPHVNdwU&list=OLAK5uy_nsF8Amt8z7zs_bedfojgm9q__xFxO8zqk&index=32

>that sound quality
shame, nvm then. I'll still make this post in case someone else is curious, because I know there are Mengelberg stans here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdcFNunR5YM&ab_channel=HilaryHahn-Topic

>>126791952
>155 min+
That's a pass from me

St Matthew Passions to have and listen to and love:
Richter
Jochum
Karajan
Klemperer
Chailly
Pichon
Herreweghe

Missing any?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_TZdbUIdM8&list=OLAK5uy_kjtip4_pcHleq9cqssCVhO7gFd41uNeSQ&index=68

That's the good stuff. Also, on looking up this recording to pull that link, I saw Bernstein has a recording of it too??? How did I not know that, wtf. Anyone heard it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDlhFC4iOVY&list=OLAK5uy_kepvN7a8Q22NOjeSG1B-l0p194zEATOjQ&index=1

Hmm, might listen to it today myself...

>>126791952
As a Mengelberg fan I don't really care for it.

>>126790806
Does the B stand for Bosmer?

now playing

Tchaikovsky: Sérénade mélancolique, Op. 26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfqqzdtxhBI&list=OLAK5uy_kMEixP5emqmdqK0-QM7Z6F2tSGdvSpCew&index=25

start of Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 5 in E Minor, Op. 64
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rNUvAl_DxA&list=OLAK5uy_kMEixP5emqmdqK0-QM7Z6F2tSGdvSpCew&index=26

start of Tchaikovsky: Variations on a Rococo Theme, Op. 33
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GSabZpJEY4&list=OLAK5uy_kMEixP5emqmdqK0-QM7Z6F2tSGdvSpCew&index=30

Tchaikovsky: 1812 Overture in E-Flat Major, Op. 49
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7qT6XPvXf0&list=OLAK5uy_kMEixP5emqmdqK0-QM7Z6F2tSGdvSpCew&index=38

start of Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 6 in B Minor, Op. 74 "Pathétique"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgHkScKjBE8&list=OLAK5uy_kMEixP5emqmdqK0-QM7Z6F2tSGdvSpCew&index=38

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kMEixP5emqmdqK0-QM7Z6F2tSGdvSpCew

A morning program of some great Tchaikovsky performances. The Rococo Variations has Rostropovich playing the cello with Seiji Ozawa conducting the Boston Symphony.

>>126792635
the Count of /classical/

>>126792635
I had almost given up on Solti, but then I heard his Salome with Nilsson and had to admit it's pretty good. So now I'm willing to give his famous Tannhauser a try. Hopefully it really is good because I haven't found my "go-to recording" of the opera so far

any thoughts on the Arrau Beethoven Piano Sonatas set? I'm also adding this to my list of sets I'm listening through concurrently at the moment. I didn't know till just now Hurwitz has this as his reference recording for a set of the complete cycle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpM8rLlssvk&list=OLAK5uy_mgcxeWRckHc6JIZBB5G7J-8AmQClZuUDo&index=58

There's the slightest hiss which is a shame, however it's under the threshold of annoyance so don't worry.

>>126793227
It's certainly good, but a bit heavy for my tastes. Might feel normal to you, though. I like my Beethoven on the leaner, faster side.

>>126793286
Oh you know me too well :p yeah I was comparing the tracktimes to some other cycles and that's the immediate inference I had.

thanks. Do you have any thoughts on the Igor Levit or Richard Goode sets?

>>126793306
I think Levit made the mistake of recording the late sonatas too early in his cycle, they were the first ones he did. His recent live performances of those pieces are better than the ones on his studio set. His set actually gets better the older he got. Another good lesson to not recording a piece before your interpretation of it is matured.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHo4CIZJccA
This is easily one of the best modern Hammerklaviers, for example.
>Richard Goode
Not a huge fan. I know Jed Distler likes him, but I don't hear anything special about his playing.

>>126793352
Thank you. I will give a few sonatas from Levit's set a serious listen then and decide whether to continue with the rest.

>>126790715 (OP)
Slop edition

We should have consecutive Rachmaninov editions monthly desu

>>126793601
so true slavesister

>>126793633
Thank you krautslopper

>>126790767
Listened. Great playing, almost flawless. Shame about the recording, had she lived we'd have a GREAT recordings. And she died so young :/
>In celebration of the centenary of Chopin's death in October 1949, a concert was held at the Great Hall of the Moscow Conservatory where Tamarkina performed Chopin's Concerto in F minor. This was to be her last stage appearance before her death from cancer at age 30 in Moscow in 1950.

>>126790767
Listened. Great playing, almost flawless. Shame about the recording, had she lived longer we'd have GREAT recordings. And she died so young :/
>In celebration of the centenary of Chopin's death in October 1949, a concert was held at the Great Hall of the Moscow Conservatory where Tamarkina performed Chopin's Concerto in F minor. This was to be her last stage appearance before her death from cancer at age 30 in Moscow in 1950.

Liszt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj9uszu5Sd4

I'm not quite sure I agree with what Brahms does here musically
https://youtu.be/lNshZQO2CO4?list=PLs2vq238vU6mmGdoT6vuWaUXu7A7ZG2ZA&t=84

it's almost a case of what >>126720824 said. It's not too bad it does provide a little contrast and it does strengthen the reprise of the earlier theme. All the same I'm not sure I dig it

>>126794072
>>126724874
>It becomes monotonous
And when it's constantly major and happy (50% of classical era music), it's not monotonous? Lol the hypocrisy.

>>126791832
Sounds a bit like "I've got a castle on a cloud" from Les Miserables at the start

>>126794072
This is one of the most perfect works he composed what are you talking about. He called it a 'lullaby of grief'.

>>126794137
Evidently not

>>126794054
>Ancient hissing recording
>Singing
Yikes it's a pass from me

Schumann

https://youtu.be/PlY7_M-As1M?t=33

>>126794231
Nah it's a you problem

>>126794251
What's funnier is that this guys always posts ancient hissing recordings. Maybe he enjoys the hiss, I don't know, but I admire the dedication. Definitely on the spectrum, but that goes for all of us.

Eroica vs the 9th, which one is the better symphony?

>>126794348
Beethoven's 8th is his best symphony because movements are not disjointed, emotionally or motivically, like they are in 7th, 5th and 3rd, which I listen to more as they contain greatest movements Beethoven ever wrote(first two of 3rd, second of 7th). 9th is overglorified 6th. That said, I prefer 3rd to 9th.

>>126794348
The 9th of course. But the 3rd is second best.

>>126794356
People in this general really love the 8th don't they? What's the thing sisterposter used to say, that the 8th made the 7th obsolete? topkek

>>126794372
people pretend to like the 8th because it's the one nobody actually cares about and they assume it makes them look unique and cool.

>>126794254
Would it be a me problem if I liked it?

>>126794377
Maybe, but I prefer taking people at their word and trusting in their sincerity until shown otherwise.

>>126794254
Well that's your opinion anon

>>126794377
No, the 8th is actually great and one of his best symphonies. I agree with sisterposter that it's better than the 7th.

>>126794406
>I agree with sisterposter that it's better than the 7th.
Delusional

Brahms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TItZxruQxw

Lou Harrison Six Sonata for Cembalo (or pianoforte if that's how you choose to live your life)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSVH-yoRIaE&ab_channel=QuinoneBob

So if I'm not mistaken, the cycle on the left was recorded in the 90s and the cycle on the right in the 70s, even though it was reissued with a picture of an older Brendel, giving the impression it's the one recorded when he was of greater age. Talk about confusing!

Anyway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5X94cejZXk&list=OLAK5uy_lx60QvIaU6orQRORgzptS0AGzjg5whbDE&index=65

Also, from what I've read, the prevailing opinion seems to be that the set on the left from the 90s, the one in the link, is superior.

>>126794534
Borendel

>>126794545
tru

>>126794372
>>126794377
>>126794388
>>126794406
Repeating what I said earlier, I think 7th has moments that are better than anything from 8th. But comparing the whole thing, 8th is the best, among all symphonies.

>>126791997
let us try this one by Peter Dijkstra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf6awaf0RIo&list=OLAK5uy_kh9nOZKhr9pstyccGa8-VwCaDOPvaUz58&index=39

We had a decent Aryan Art thread on /pol/ today, cross-posting a few of the new finds from today's thread:
>>>/pol/508344306

We started with a Piano arrangement of a segment from Sibelius' famous "Wood Nymph" tone poem.

Johan Julius Christian Sibelius (Hämeenlinna, Province of Häme, Grand Duchy of Finland, Russian Empire 1865-1957 Järvenpää, Uusimaa Province, Republic of Finland)
(Folke Gräsbeck)
Skogsrået (the Wood Nymph), version for Piano, Op. 15 - c.1895 (Molto sostenuto)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkmhv5U1UQM

Next a Piano Trio arrangement of the intermezzo from the opera version of Granados' Goyescas.

Pantaleón Enrique Joaquín Granados y Campiña (Lleida, Province of Lleida, Kingdom of Spain 1867-1916 The ferry SS Sussex, English Channel)
(Devich Trio)
Goyescas, an opera in one act - 1915, Intermezzo, arranged for Piano Trio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfIT1Oml1eQ

Next, another forgotten composition by Ries, Beethoven's greatest student. It is a Piano Rondo published in 1838, shortly before Ries' death, it is so good it could pass for a piece written by Beethoven himself during his heroic period.

Ferdinand Ries (Bonn, Electorate of Cologne, Holy Roman Empire 1784-1838 Free City of Frankfurt, German Confederation)
(Gianluca Faragli)
Introduction et rondeau à la zingaresco, Op.184 (Andante — Allegretto con moto)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NMZPOdOFMw

>>126794671
Next, a Cello arrangement of Schumann's second Violin Sonata. I have heard many recordings of the violin version but it never stood out to me, I just assumed that Schumann's health was failing and that he was past his prime, but this Cello Sonata version is absolutely amazing. Either I simply never heard a good recording or Schumann's illness threw his pitch off and he composed it for the wrong instrument.

Robert Schumann (Zwickau, Kingdom of Saxony, Confederation of the Rhine, French Empire 1810-1856 Bonn, Rhine Province, Kingdom of Prussia, German Confederation)
(Harro Ruijsenaars, Paul Komen)
Violin Sonata No. 2 in D minor, arranged as Cello Sonata, Op. 121 - 1851, 1st Movement (Ziemlich Langsam, Lebhaft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CztvJ33yrRE
Violin Sonata No. 2 in D minor, arranged as Cello Sonata, Op. 121 - 1851, 2nd Movement (Sehr Lebhaft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf4RTmDBaiw
Violin Sonata No. 2 in D minor, arranged as Cello Sonata, Op. 121 - 1851, 3rd Movement (Leise, Einfach)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBO_8UqQnU4
Violin Sonata No. 2 in D minor, arranged as Cello Sonata, Op. 121 - 1851, 4th Movement (Bewegt)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzQMSJz9rqo

>>126794671
None of these are Indians or Iranians

>>126794671
>>126794678
thank you wignat sister

>>126794678
We finished off with Borodin's Piano Quintet in C minor. He was an amazing composer of chamber music but there are barely a dozen recordings of this piece in existence and most of them are either bad or unsuitable for the Aryan Art threads, as Russian chamber ensembles are almost exclusively composed of kikes these days. Hopefully decent modern recordings of his work will continue to trickle out in the coming years.

Alexander Porfiryevich Borodin (St. Petersburg, Russian Empire 1833-1887 ibidem)
(Ilona Prunyi, New Budapest Quartet)
Piano Quintet in C minor - 1862, 1st Movement (Andante)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAuXoRxBqjQ
Piano Quintet in C minor - 1862, 2nd Movement (Scherzo. Allegro non troppo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0eHMRrLr-o
Piano Quintet in C minor - 1862, 3rd Movement (Finale. Allegro moderato)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOTnlXmQYSM

Also, be sure to check out our growing selection of pastbins:

Aryan Music Archive:
https://pastebin.com/NW0BruEd

Subarchives:
Ries:
https://pastebin.com/VP6vwpaB
Brahms:
https://pastebin.com/6y7a2KYU
Saint-Saëns:
https://pastebin.com/hcKpcYTB
Dvorak:
https://pastebin.com/QxMNkUqD
Sarasate:
https://pastebin.com/UuGrLPjq

"Celestial Gate"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq-tMlz_Wvg&ab_channel=ArmoniaRecondita

>>126794685
Where do you think the Indian and Iranian civilizations came from?

>>126794695
>unsuitable for the Aryan Art threads, as Russian chamber ensembles are almost exclusively composed of kikes these days.
Oh no! A jew playing in chamber enseble! Discard it immediatelly!

What a moron. Do you also not listen to Mendelssohn and Mahler because they're jewish? Twat.

>>126794704
Central Asia although ultimately from Africa

>>126794778
Our culture can't begin to recover until we weed out the Jewish corruption. It is no coincidence that the rise of Jews to total power over our civilization in 1945 coincided with the extinction of our musical tradition.

Mysterious Mountain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgDkAiVFGrA&ab_channel=SergioC%C3%A1novas

>>126794821
>coincided with the extinction of our musical tradition.
Correlation =! causation.
Culture has been declining since as early as 18th century. The fact that geniuses are dying out (>>126769212 ), has nothing to do with jews.

>>126794879
Except Jewish intelligence agents literally went around postwar Europe blacklisting Aryan composers and promoting atonal kikes, it was an open act of cultural warfare.

Besides, in the case of Russia, the reason there aren't enough cultured and intelligent Russians left to form a chamber ensemble, let alone a circle of composers, is because Jews literally killed off the Russian intellectual class as part of their group evolutionary strategy to decapitate and neutralize a competitor population.

>>126794879
thank you indian child
>>126794919
thank you wignatsister

>>126794923
>thank you Aryan child
FTFY

>>126794919
>went around postwar Europe blacklisting Aryan composers and promoting atonal kikes
Even if that was true (I wouldn't be surprised), it's not what caused the decline.
>>126794923
Thank you imbecile

Thread has truly reached new lows of touristshitting huh

>intellectual discussion
>low

Prokofiev Piano Concerto No. 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7dDE6fP0Uk&ab_channel=ProkProk

Rebay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DbiFC_534g

>>126794972
>decline
The fact is that there was no decline, our musical tradition was healthy right up until the end. There was a large circle of composers in National Socialist Germany, we know this because of surviving fragments of the Gottbegnadeten list. Most of their sheet music is lost or locked away in archives, and it would be career suicide for a soloist to perform their works.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottbegnadeten_list#Composers

Let's take a concrete example of a composer from National Socialist Germany, in this case a Russian-Polish composer who has squeezed past the blacklist in recent years.

>The Piano Sonata No 2, Op 60, was premiered by Bortkiewicz in the Brahms-Saal of the Musikverein in Vienna on 29 November 1942, during a Bortkiewicz Sonatenabend, in which Jaro Schmied (violin) and Paul Grümmer (cello) also participated. During the composer’s lifetime the piano sonata was played only by Hugo van Dalen, for the first time on 8 February 1944 in Amsterdam, and Felicitas Karrer in Vienna. It was a great success with both audience and critics.
https://sergeibortkiewicz.com/second-austrian-period-1933-1952-2/

This 1942 piano sonata is better than anything ever composed in America and better than anything ever composed by a Jew, and yet it was a fairly unremarkable piece in Nazi Germany.

Sergei Eduardovich Bortkiewicz (Kharkov, Kharkov Governorate, Russian Empire 1877-1952 Vienna, Republic of Austria)
(Nadejda Vlaeva)
Piano Sonata No. 2 in C-sharp minor, Op. 60 - 1942, 1st Movement (Allegro ma non troppo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORTWCrv-vR4
Piano Sonata No. 2 in C-sharp minor, Op. 60 - 1942, 2nd Movement (Allegretto)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na7-9itB1AQ
Piano Sonata No. 2 in C-sharp minor, Op. 60 - 1942, 3rd Movement (Andante misericordioso)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eod6KuHn3AU
Piano Sonata No. 2 in C-sharp minor, Op. 60 - 1942, 4th Movement (Agitato, ma poco a poco animando)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oERBNG4xJ0

>>126795017
I prefer Ramazon

>>126795038
The greatest conductor of all time-Karajan-joined the Nazi party twice

>>126791997
Ramin 1941
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNAsQpRhxNI
> Ramin was the organist at the 1936 Nuremberg rally, playing on a specially constructed organ, the largest in Germany at the time. On New Year's Day 1940, Ramin was appointed the Thomaskantor in succession of J. S. Bach and last Karl Straube, a post he held until his death.

>>126792707
he's great at Opera, his Ring Cycle is also the best by far.

>>126795157
Ramin taught Richter and Walcha, two of the most influential Bach interpreters of the 20th century.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU_38vHzmyo&ab_channel=CarlosLi

>>126791997
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTR6DwyTUCU&list=OLAK5uy_lKED7SaZuVcb3W3tyqevQ82JeEg-FeTWg&index=23
Mauersberger

Bortkiewicz - Piano Concerto No.3 "Per aspera ad astra"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyELx8RKRUA&ab_channel=SeigneurReefShark

>>126795391
We was a jack of all trades, he could do anything except compose

>>126795391
Sounds like a rock star

>>126795192
It's certainly the best sung stereo one but I do not consider its interpretive qualities to be quite up to snuff. Still, on the whole it's easily the reference, yes.

>>126795038
Extremely mediocre work

>>126794978
Aryan is such a retarded term to use if you're a racist because it doesn't even refer to a race. It refers to a language family that can be spoken by anyone of any race.

now if I were a serious racist and not some underage tourist faggot shitting up /classical/ I would stick to using the words white, caucasian, and european in that order of preference.

Frederick Reece, "Forgery in Musical Composition: Aesthetics, History, and the Canon" (Oxford University Press, 2025)

>We all know about art forgeries, but why write fake classical music? In "Forgery in Musical Composition", Dr. Frederick Reece investigates the methods and motives of mysterious musicians who sign famous historical names like Haydn, Mozart, and Schubert to their own original works. Analyzing a series of genuinely fake sonatas, concertos, and symphonies in detail, Dr. Reece's study exposes the shadowy roles that forgeries have played in shaping perceptions of authenticity, creativity, and the self within classical music culture from the 1790s to the 1990s.
>Holding a magnifying glass to a wide array of phony works, Forgery in Musical Composition explains how skillful fakers have succeeded in the past while also proposing active steps that scholars and musicians can take to better identify deceptive compositions in the future. Pursuing his topic from case to case, Dr. Reece observes that fake historical masterpieces have often seduced listeners not simply by imitating old works, but rather by mirroring modern cultural beliefs about innovation, identity, and meaning in music. Here forged compositions have important truths to tell us about knowing and valuing works of art precisely because they are not what they appear.

Interview
https://player.fm/series/new-books-in-history-2560124/frederick-reece-forgery-in-musical-composition-aesthetics-history-and-the-canon-oxford-university-press-2025

>>126795526
Yes but only rascists/Nazis use it in that sense, so it is effective in signalling your beliefs

>>126795564
it's effective in signaling that you're fucking retarded.

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfT9xN1tmuM

best recording of siegfried? i've only heard solti and never felt the need to listen to it more until this moment.

>>126795666
The best sung one by far is the Potted Ring excerpts with Melchior. But it's incomplete and in mono. Still, worth a listen if you want to hear the best Heldentenor that ever lived.
https://files.catbox.moe/ao4n2r.flac
Other than that, worth hearing the '55 Keilberth Siegfried (in stereo) to hear the younger Windgassen (the Siegfried on Solti's recording). That little bit of extra youth in his voice really does make a big difference. But outside of that you're really just looking at more and more historical mono recordings. Most of the post-WWII Siegfrieds after Windgassen were various levels of mediocre.

>>126795526
You are so far from having an identity that you can't even comprehend how an identity works. White is a color, and Europe/Caucasus are places, these are not meaningful tribal identifiers. Imagine if Jews referred to themselves as Southerneastern Mediterraneans.

Aryan is a tribal identity developed by indigenous European peoples specifically as a counter to transnational Jewish tribal identity.

>>126795744
Cool story bro

>>126795741
>Windgassen
hehe

>>126795744
>You are so far from having an identity that you can't even comprehend how an identity works.

you assume that.

>White is a color, and Europe/Caucasus are places, these are not meaningful tribal identifiers.

sorry to disappoint you Ranjesh but they are.

anyway, you're not here to talk about classical music. please leave.

>>126795741
>Most of the post-WWII Siegfrieds after Windgassen were various levels of mediocre.
I was told that Windgassen had a relatively small voice. What makes you like him so much?

>>126795884
Really? I wouldn't characterize his voice as small at all. You can't exactly have a small voice and get away with singing Tristan 250+ times. A modern singer would do less than half that and their voices would be totally wrecked. It's true that his voice couldn't get quite high enough to be truly a Heldentenor, though - his voice was always a bit of a compromise in that respect - but in every other regard he fulfilled his role as the leading WWII Heldentenor splendidly. He was the last Siegfried to really have perfect diction and declamation, something which Wagner valued far more than technicalities. It's just that by the time the 60s came around, his voice did start to get a little leathery and worn out, but, still, even in that state he's miles better than what came after IMO.

Debussy, Satie, Scriabin, Ragtime, and Bach

the only piano music I can stand

>>126790715 (OP)
classical themed confession: sometimes i jork it while listening to christian liturgical music, usually requiems or hildegard of bingen.

>>126795531
Seems my idea of writing a composition under the identity of being an undiscovered masterpiece from a known composer wasn't so original after all.

>>126794594
If anyone cares, this ended up being a very good SMP. Dijkstra always delivers

>trying to decide on recording
>review for first one says, "for a recording that's 50 years old, this still holds up"
>damn that's old, let's try something more modern
>come across recording that came out in the 80s
>ah much better
>while listening, realize the 80s were almost 50 years ago, and the two recordings are practically contemporary with each other
o_o

>>126797155
Let me blow your mind harder: most of the best sounding recordings were made in the 50s and 60s

>>126797281
But why?

>>126797294
Better, more controller engineers and producers. The Solti Ring for example is as much Culshaw's Ring as it is Solti's. Record producers had a lot more control over how things went back in those days. Walter Legge refused to let Klemperer perform certain works because he thought it was too shit, for example. There was just a lot more collaboration between the artist and the producers and engineers back in those days to make a product that was not just as good as being in an orchestra hall, but even better. Unveiling details you would never normally hear, doing studio tricks to reveal certain qualities of the music that were impossible in a live setting.

These days everything has a hands off approach. Recordings are incidental and not intentional. They're usually just live recordings caught on the day and later minor edits finish up the product for release. There are no more engineers or producers that really give a shit about how great a classical recording sounds. The technology is better, but the care is worse.

>>126797325
Interesting, thanks. Do you think this applies to all genres and the industry as a whole or just those who work in classical? As in, is it saying more about the state of producers or the state of classical?

>>126797325
Damn why’d they have to let Steve Albini take over recording classical music?

I asked my kitty their favorite pianist and she replied, "Arrauw!"

idk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJSZO7deFyQ&list=OLAK5uy_mgcxeWRckHc6JIZBB5G7J-8AmQClZuUDo&index=82

>>126796129
Interesting, thank you for the explanation. I just remember hearing stories about how people in audiences, probably not Bayreuth with its magical acoustics, could barely hear his singing. Is it possible to have stamina and not volume? But what do you mean by 'quite high enough to be a heldentenor'?

>>126796390
get out.

I was watching these two Alfred Brendel masterclasses earlier interesting stuff
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uKE8VcHuRwI&pp=ygUaYWxmcmVkIGJyZW5kZWwgbWFzdGVyY2xhc3M%3D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HI4nexMccJs

>>126790715 (OP)
https://www.holdekunst.com/blog/is-rachmaninov-a-waste-of-time.html

>listening to recording
>brain conjures up descriptive words on the interpretation
>later read some reviews of the recording
>people who seem smart and like they know what they're talking about using the same words to describe the performance
phew, always nice to get some confirmation I know what I'm hearing :)

now playing

start of Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 4 in G Major, Op. 58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ilk2CPKe94&list=OLAK5uy_nGeMhbT5G2kxmwFllhhk2vFFsp4a3pKB0&index=2

start of Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 5 in E-Flat Major, Op. 73 "Emperor"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrCnmzVhwVk&list=OLAK5uy_nGeMhbT5G2kxmwFllhhk2vFFsp4a3pKB0&index=4

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nGeMhbT5G2kxmwFllhhk2vFFsp4a3pKB0

>Neither as muscular and assertive as Pollini's Emperor with Karl Böhm (Deutsche Grammophon) nor as stately as Alfred Brendel's set of the five concertos with James Levine (Philips), Sudbin takes a more lyrical, songlike approach in playing that nonetheless has plenty of the required force and energy.

>The very good Minnesota Orchestra has a rare rapport with its music director, and Vänskä is almost rapturously popular with both the players and the greater community. Here he leads performances of great energy, crispness and zest. There is careful attention to details of phrasing, but also an overriding exuberance that makes these performances sound spontaneous, never merely studied. ---- Melinda Bargreen

>10/10 ---- David Hurwitz

good night

>>126797003
I'm stealing that idea

>>126795461
>I do not consider its interpretive qualities to be quite up to snuff
Which ones are better, in your opinion?

>>126795526
>>126795595
>>126795744
Stalin was considered Aryan by the nazis btw. I don't have much else to add but that's an amusing fact

Mozart

https://youtu.be/oVl5Bwj0gRM

It's another day where I'm in the mood for levin

>>126797745
>that's an amusing fact
Why though, Stalin was a Georgian

>>126797774
I always remind my georgian fren of this

He was dressed in a tuxedo and had three dollars in his pocket. According to the police report, when found by hotel employees he was attired in the style he affected at his lavish dinner parties: "black Tux with white shirt, bow tie, white suspenders, black socks and shoes", with a telephone cradled in his ear and a Walkman headset containing a cassette tape of Mozart's "A Little Night Music".[27] Next to his body was a newspaper clipping about efforts to protect CIA agents from testifying before government agencies

>>126797802
Kek, what a LARPer.

>>126797784
Yeah, he isn't jewish to anyone reading the history.

>>126797745
thankyou Hiyajo poster for proving how retarded Aryanism is.

now playing some music by a non-Aryan composer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_-1qMPDf-A

Redpill me on Toscanini

>>126798337
he was a shitalian. what more do you need to know?

>>126798337
>I hate Toscanini. I’ve never heard him in a concert hall, but I’ve heard enough of his recordings. What he does to music is terrible in my opinion. He chops it up into a hash and then pours a disgusting sauce over it. Toscanini ‘honoured’ me by conducting my symphonies. I heard those records, too, and they’re worthless. I’ve read about Toscanini’s conducting style and his manner of conducting a rehearsal. The people who describe this disgraceful behaviour are for some reason delighted by it. I simply can’t understand what they find delightful. I think it’s outrageous, not delightful. He screams and curses the musicians and makes scenes in the most shameless manner. The poor musicians have to put up with all this nonsense or be sacked. And they even begin to see ‘something in it’. (…) Toscanini sent me his recording of m Seventh Symphony and hearing it made me very angry. Everything is wrong. The spirit and the character and the tempi. It’s a sloppy, hack job. I wrote him a letter expressing my views. I don’t know if he ever got it; maybe he did and pretended not to – that would be completely in keeping with his vain and egoistic style. Why do I think that Toscanini didn’t let it be known that I wrote to him? Because much later I received a letter from America: I was elected to the Toscanini Society! They must have thought that I was a great fan of the maestro’s. I began receiving records on a regular basis: all new recordings by Toscanini. My only comfort is that at least I always have a birthday present handy. Naturally, I wouldn’t give something like that to a friend. But to an acquaintance –why not? It pleases them and it’s less trouble for me. That’s one of life’s most difficult problems –what to give for a birthday or anniversary to a person you don’t particularly like, don’t know very well, and don’t respect.

>>126798365
I can't tell who's worse.

>>126798337
Influential and I'm sure good for his time, but there isn't any recording of his I would consider essential today.

>>126798337
Of all the old-timers (born in the 19th century but leaving a recorded legacy) his reputation has probably suffered the most. Whether this is justified or not, I can't say. I've never been compelled to check out his recordings.

>>126795666
either 1952 Keilberth or Janowski

>>126796390
>only piano music with a certain metaphysical detachment or transcendence
Kinda based.

>>126796390
>>126798655
>>>/reddit/

>>126798365
Shosta was a great man.

>>126798655
kek I like Satie but his piano music is peak Paris salon background music, nothing metaphysical or transcendent about it.

>Gaspard de la nuit
I don't get it

>>126796390
Beethoven, Chopin + Liszt transcriptions of Beet symphonies BTFO everything you've mentioned for the piano.

If Bach's WTC is the Old Testament of music and Beethoven's Piano Sonatas the New Testament, that makes Chopin's Nocturnes what, the Koran? Hamlet?

>>126798945
Chopin is On The Origin of Species by Darwin.

>>126798945
Harry Potter fanfiction

>>126798945
absolutely moronic question.

>>126798365
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBr9-J1hwIk
i guess he has a point, too forceful

>>126799123
:DDD

ty anon

>>126798673
Bach is reddit I agree

Lisiecki!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3oTYa19LvY&list=OLAK5uy_mAG9JpOt49H-OXVqyfpYWM67cu7xV5X9c&index=9

>>126798968
So Chopin is the conclusion to music? Holy based
>>126799028
That's Scriabin though?

I wanna listen to a solid array of quality recordings of Chopin's Nocturnes, what are the essential ones? I've got,
>Hough
>Pires
>Lisiecki
>Arrau
>Pollini
>Barenboim
>Moravec
>Ingrid Fliter

any others?

>>126799262
Friedman
Cortot

>>126799228
Scriabin is like an even worse derivative work like Fifty Shades of Grey.

>>126799228
Scriabin is The Book of Mormon

>>126798945
Something interesting about the Old Testament is, at the risk of sounding blasphemous, whilst t is considered foundational it really strikes me as quite baffling in places and maybe even boring-there are these huge lists of names in Genesis and the description of the Ark and Tabernacle oh boyl It's pretty tough

>>126799374
That kind of thing happens in the Iliad too, anon. It's just how they did things back then.

>>126799352
no. The toilet paper I just used to wipe the slimy shit off my arse is the book of Mormon.

>>126799262
Rubinstein, obviously

>>126799271
>>126799407
I say this with all due respect because I like hanging out with ya'll in this general, but sometimes I feel like the only anon here who listens to modern recordings.

>>126799392
You're letting your hatred of the subject get away with you

>>126799297
>even worse
>implying
Chopin raped your mind.

>>126799426
You're asking for "essential" recordings, so it only makes sense you'll get more historic recommendations than recent ones

>>126799541
Well... hmm... I... yeah, you're right. Damnit.

>>126798792
You don't know Satie.

>>126799560
As for modern recordings, I do listen to them. But mainly for repertoire that has not been recorded a thousand times. I simply cannot bring myself to listen to another recording of Beethoven's piano sonatas, or Mozart's concertos... I am completely satisfied in that department

Faure.

>>126799610
I guess I understand that. I like to support contemporary talents and musicians for its own sake, but you're right, time is precious, and if you're fully satisfied then what's the impetus to trying out new things.

>>126799374
Well, it's still written by humans. No Christian besides protestants believe it's a totally infallible source.

>>126794863
I remember when this guy used to post here

>>126799677
What that Segio Canovas guy?

>>126799718
Yes, you can still find his posts in the archive. I think people ended driving him out or something

So fuckin' annoying when they tag it like this, without the piece name. How am I supposed to know what's what? And to make it worse, usually in these circumstances (the Pacifica Quartet Mendelssohn set has a similar issue) you can kinda tell by looking at the movement names, but with these piano sonatas, since a lot of them have the same structure, it's a hell of a pain to find out. Lame. Distler has this Wurtz Mozart set as one of his reference recordings too, and I love her Goldberg Variations, so I really wanted to listen to this too.

>>126799870
I guess I can just count by threes from the bottom with the likely assumption that the final piece is No. 18 in D Major, K. 576, and assume it's all in order from there, but still, shouldn't have to!

>>126799728
Wow nice job, idiots

Levit!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q1KCACRNVU&list=OLAK5uy_nEuDnoVXeKKtQu3GL0hOVgE_zRlftFDpY&index=85

Also, I have to really give props to the performance of Op. 26 on here (No. 11, sometimes called "Funeral March"); in my experience, this piece too often sounds stilted and occasionally outright bad on lots of cycles I've sampled recently. So it was one of the first ones I tried on this Levit cycle this morning to see how he compares and see if it was maybe just an issue with the piece itself, and my god, he nails it, you gotta check this out,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv-RQZmXLrI&list=OLAK5uy_nEuDnoVXeKKtQu3GL0hOVgE_zRlftFDpY&index=40

Damn. I got high hopes for this cycle now.

>>126799728
i think he was the first victim of sisterposting

>>126799870
you should see some melodiya releases, still in russian
or japanese or chinese albums cover in english, track lists in moon runes

Every Fugal Passage from the Beethoven Symphonies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7lr1cSQi5o

Bruckner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs-UoQxpZLI

>>126799950
Far too slow in op. 26. Here's the correct tempo:

https://youtu.be/9PG64pjpzXU?si=hRKYQMcTeq-7w45l

My advice to Stravinsky-you're writing about the great flood, the deluge an apocalyptic act of judgement against man and creation which would have killed millions, maybe billions albeit unclean sinners but my point is right before this world ending act might not be the right place to slide in a fucking 'comedy' hilarious though it may be, about Noah trying to get his wife into the ark so she doesn't drown.

Why is Mahler so overrated
He sucks
Soulless boom-boom "music"

>>126801503
Listen to his 5th, 2nd and 6th, they're good. Just takes repeated listening.

>>126801503
I hope it clicks for you someday, anon :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3QeJIG0-TA

>>126798432
>either 1952 Keilberth
Eh, it has Aldenhoff

>>126801639
the best Siegfried, yes

>>126801647
ew, he makes DFD barking sound subtle

>>126801676
Siegfried's not exactly a subtle character

now playing, who's in the mood for some contemporary classical?

start of Thierry Pécou: Cara Bali Concerto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9bMoM-QFTI&list=OLAK5uy_mOGkAIkr3dlFayAkdRtlfxZHPFGLDYqRc&index=2

Ramon Lazkano: Mare Marginis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nolVicFyx-I&list=OLAK5uy_mOGkAIkr3dlFayAkdRtlfxZHPFGLDYqRc&index=4

start of Alex Nante: Luz de lejos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD0DD3ppjec&list=OLAK5uy_mOGkAIkr3dlFayAkdRtlfxZHPFGLDYqRc&index=5

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mOGkAIkr3dlFayAkdRtlfxZHPFGLDYqRc

>Alexandre Tharaud follows up his 2020 album of contemporary piano concertos with a new release featuring three works by Thierry Pécou, Ramon Lazkano, and Alex Nante. Each concerto pairs Tharaud with a different orchestra and conductor: the Cara Bali Concerto by Thierry Pécou is performed with the Orchestre national de Lyon under Jonathan Stockhammer, a vivid and rhythmically charged piece marked by imaginative orchestral colors. Ramon Lazkano’s Mare Marginis, with the WDR Sinfonieorchester and Sylvain Cambreling, offers a more introspective and emotionally varied landscape, unfolding in an organic, free-flowing manner. Alex Nante’s Luz de lejos, performed with the Orchestre national de Lille and Emilia Hoving, returns to melodic writing, alternating reflective sections with lively toccata-like passages, maintaining tension and interest until the work’s quiet close. Throughout, Tharaud demonstrates deep engagement with the music, delivering performances of precision, sensitivity, and clear commitment to these contemporary voices.

Came upon it in an article for worthwhile May 2025 classical releases, and I like Tharaud as a pianist, you've probably seen me post some of his recordings before (eg Bach, Ravel, Satie).

>>126801763
sure, but you don't need to add to it by performing it even more ridiculously

>>126799610
You don't get tired of listening to those same recordings over and over every time?

my favorite classical composer is Brain Wilson, Haydn is a close second.

>>126801954
>Brain Wilson
>>>/mu/

>>126801803
I think all his choices are extremely in-character. He "talks" just like I would imagine Siegfried too

I wish we had more recorded interaction between Mahler and Rachmaninoff, sometimes curiousity strikes and I want to know how they felt about each others works. We know Mahler at least liked Rach 3 concerto as he conducted it.

I wish we had more recorded interaction between Mahler and Rachmaninoff, sometimes curiousity strikes and I want to know how they felt about each others works. We know Mahler at least liked Rach 3 concerto as he conducted it.

>“Mahler was the only conductor whom I considered worthy to be classed with Nikisch. He devoted himself to the concerto until the accompaniment, which is rather complicated, had been practiced to perfection. Every detail of the score was important to him, an attitude too rare amongst conductors.”

That Mahler 6 jumpscare tho

>>126801590
>>126801625
nah, I can't stand Mahler and his trumpets and horns, trust me

>>126799228
>>126799297
>>126799352
no, none of you are even close, Scriabin would probably be The Book Of The Law or something like that.

>>126803093
Listen to different recordings (of e.g. 6th), and listen often, trust me.

Steve is a genius

>>126803428
bait used to be believable.

>>126804614
what's wrong with it? let me guess because he le evil jew?

>>126804718
his Jewish ancestry has nothing to do with him being a retarded pseud.

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmU0_fPRk_k

>>126790715 (OP)
https://vocaroo.com/1vfSkCKgeOtf

discuss.

>>126804795
>pseud
What is pseud about him?

>>126804824
if you have to ask you will never know.

>>126804828
ok cool

>>126800307
Hmm, not bad not bad.

>>126804822
Pretty.

Can someone please explain the estimation Mahler's 6th receives? What makes it any better than its surrounding symphonies?

>>126805164
It's a 20th century Brahms 4, only more dense and complicated and grand.

>>126804822
so what you're saying is... it's not actually a ninth chord?

>>126805203
>It's a 20th century Brahms 4
Whatever the fuck that means.

>>126805203
absolutely retarded comment.

>>126805323
yes. both Schoenberg and the concert society that rejected his sextet for strings were wrong. It's literally just two extended Bb minor chords layered over each other to produce a six-part texture.

>>126805350
Tragic emotional intensity, creative power, and wonderful all-time melodies. The openings of both are among the greatest in the entire symphonic repertoire.

>>126805353
Feel free to give your own answer.

>>126805504
I prefer symphonies 2, 5, and 7. not sure why the 6th is so overhyped.

>>126805504
>mahler
>wonderful all-time melodies

>>126805541
Prefer what ever you want, you can't deny the 6th has a kind of maximalist feel to it. It's like Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow or Mason & Dixon.

>>126805570
>Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow or Mason & Dixon.

you need to go back. would it be fair if I started shitting up /lit/?

>>126805559
Yes.
https://litter.catbox.moe/d8kk90.flac

now playing

start of Brahms: String Quintet No. 1 in F Major, Op. 88
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVaVBC2p8Ng&list=OLAK5uy_lQcUUIa7HFvvVMOnYJCYJoHPF1UZejezg&index=1

start of Brahms: String Quintet No. 2 in G Major, Op. 111
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GRizFNRrL0&list=OLAK5uy_lQcUUIa7HFvvVMOnYJCYJoHPF1UZejezg&index=4

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lQcUUIa7HFvvVMOnYJCYJoHPF1UZejezg

>Radiant, expansive, lyrical and utterly compelling, Brahmss richly rewarding string quintets are exuberantly unleashed by the WDR Symphony Orchestra Cologne Chamber Players in this album. These technically demanding works contain everything one could wish for from the mature Brahms: searching melodies woven into glowing, luxuriant textures, lyrical introspection with subdued sonorities, to youthful abandon in breathless, rhythmic passages.

>You have never before had such a beautiful work from me, Brahms told his publisher about his Quintet No.1 in F major, Op. 88. This was no idle boast. The amiable and leisurely first movement with its warmly inviting opening melody is followed by a haunting second movement based on a sarabande with exquisite interplay between the instruments. In a nod to Beethoven, the energetic final movement is a masterly combination of fugue and sonata form but the result is pure Brahms.

>Brahms originally intended his Quintet No.2 in G major, Op. 111 to be his final work but it is anything but a swansong. From the shimmering grandeur of the opening with an ardent, soaring theme from the cello, this work is a tour de force, full of buoyant high spirits quite unlike any of his other chamber works. The WDR Symphony Orchestra Cologne was formed in 1947. It has recorded extensively and is renowned for its interpretation of 20th century and contemporary music in addition to the standard classical repertoire.

Does listening to classical music while studying or reading of any kind improve retention?

>>126805714
why are you retarded?

>>126805747
Are you the neighborhood sourpuss, the local malcontent, the community curmudgeon?

>>126805714
I find listening to music distracting, especially vocal music.

>>126798655
Check em, and yes you understand my original post

>>126805755
no. I'm just the suburb's psychopath.

>>126805792
The killjoy of the cul-de-sac?

>>126805807
the demon of the dead-end.

now playing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSE-lA6uE7s

>get hand mogged
>day ruined
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTG9WRbc_wI
>0:32 left hand plays a solid Cb-F-Ab-Eb chord
;_;
>>126798797
What don't you get? It's one of the greatest pieces written for piano.
>>126799625
Based.

What to listen to, what to listen to...

>>126806431
i don't know

Favorite recording(s) of Brahms' Piano Sonata no. 3? I've heard a few but none that really nailed it for me.

>>126806633
would.

>>126806633
It's not a great piece, but Rubinstein I guess.

>>126806896
>It's not a great piece
That could be the crux of the issue, yeah. Like how I could never find the right recording of Brahms' Double Concerto until I finally gave up on it.

I've yet to find a truly great recording of Mahler 3. Sometimes I wonder whether it's the work itself that's unsatisfactory.

>>126806431
Telemann

>>126807084
you've tried Haitink/RCO?

>>126807172
Of course. Found it a bit toothless.

thoughts on Sylvius Leopold Weiss?
https://youtu.be/r7N0-SzDJv8?si=_GrCcJr6gFn705AZ

I can't really enjoy the famous, big name Beethoven Piano Sonatas anymore, sadly. Pathetique, Appassionata, Les Adieux, Waldstein, etc. I must've listened to them too much when I was younger because trying to listen to them now, they sound almost kitsch, like I'm listening to a commercial. Yes I know it's ridiculous.

>>126804822
Awful. Didn't even resolve.
>>126805597
Virus.

>>126807519
a mind-virus of wonderful music, maybe

>>126807519
I wasn't trying to resolve it. It's a dissection of Schoenberg's "inverted ninth" chord from his string sextet opus 4:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DR3bvkUCBA&t=245

do u like Busoni?

>>126807517
same with pieces you play. as a violinist i played the Bach E Major concerto when i was younger so much i literally only hear a practice exercise when i hear it. i can't even sit through the first movement without getting that sick feeling you did as a kid when you know you're stuck in a car for 3 hours.

>>126807753
I really liked his violin sonatas (especially no.2), but I haven't fully grasped them yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh5FL_WQcBg

>>126807795
I recently listened to his Geharnischte Suite. Whoever did the Star Wars score pretty much plagiarised it. I'm enjoying his stuff but I am a pleb so I just wanted to know what other anons thought of his stuff while I listen to it

>>126807517
>>126807769
I hope that never happens to me. I don't think it will, but these posts make me uneasy. Not being able to appreciate Pathetique, Waldstein and Appassionata is terrifying. Even pianists know those pieces thorougly, but you can tell they still love them.

now playing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw471Z5x_z8

>>126807826
I'll listen to those now. But Busoni is mainly known for his piano concerto, so you should check that out.

>>126807866
Cool thanks. Will do. Been listening to this one. It's a compilation of his orchestral works. The sound quality is quite good

>>126807864
yeah, that's the one
>>126807826

>>126807084
Xavier Roth

>>126806633
Elly Ney
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RO9T2Fwnt4

>>126807433
Visée > Weiss

why did Hurwitz lie to me?
this is the best Mahler 9. lack of vibrato doesn't matter when it's the only well-recorded one with a decent tempo for the finale. tempo is much more important than timbre

>>126809039
forgot pic

>>126809039
>>126809045
LOL

>>126809045
hehehe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8uejFqHKec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM6TZ0sgThc
Frog motets are so comfy. Also love this guys channel

This is such an awful general

>>126810031
Gorgeous stuff.

>>126810053
you can literally go in to any general on 4chan and say that, and it will always be true.

>>126803428
Steve is one of the greats an S tier composer in my view. Not well appreciated here though sadly.
>>126801954
Based

This is a really nice Annees, very French sounding
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2pAUWhvMkE&list=OLAK5uy_nwMTLK1B2Z8xdAgg4auBUm_gnDKHqhUTU&index=14

Dungeon Shostakovich

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgYFbBBk7vI&list=RDxgYFbBBk7vI&start_radio=1&ab_channel=AlexisDayon

>>126807084
>>126807172
Hmm, by "truly great," does mean you still like the work, you just haven't found a recording which fulfills its performance potential, or you don't like the work that much and you're wondering if it's the piece itself or the recordings?

If it's the former, I can give a list of some great 3rds I've loved which I think all lift the work to its peak in various ways. But if it's the latter, I suppose if you've tried at least 3-5 different recordings and the work still hasn't clicked, then it simply isn't for you. No big deal, sometimes that happens.

/Mahler/

>>126811055
Tons of other composers in this thread too, anon!

/Mahler&Brahms/

Another Rach edition, or Busoni edish?

Why does he carry this tiny little toothpick?

>>126809039
>lack of vibrato doesn't matter
yes it does, vibrato is integral to Mahler
>GUYS LISTEN TO WALTER'S MAHLER 9 FROM 1938 IT'S TOTALLY VIBRATOLESS
and you listen to it and it has vibrato. and also a shit ton of portamento (which Norrington completely ignores). he's a fraud. it's not even played well

>>126811592
vibrato isn't integral to anything. A C is a C regardless of the vibrato.

>>126811989
just listen to a fucking MIDI if that's your opinion

I asked my cat what his favorite pianist is and he said:
>meeeeeeoooowwww Glen Gould

>>126812030
>posting Hurwitz
l-fucking-mao
>just listen to a midi
with how shitty and self-indulgent most famous conductors are yeah I'm considering doing that

>>126790715 (OP)
>classical
>Rachmaninov

>>126803428
Having said that, I don't think I've actually heard this album. It's possible I have and forgotten

>>126812817
Rachmaninov is considered to be Hip Hop

>tfw no Beethoven, Brahms, Mendelssohn, Chopin, or Rachmaninoff cello concerto

:(

>>126812817
>Medieval
Lol

>>126812817
can we report posts like these as "extremely low quality" or something?

Is Enter Sandman considered classical?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD-E-LDc384&list=RDCD-E-LDc384&start_radio=1&ab_channel=Metallica

I really like how symphonic Schubert's piano sonatas are. They're not the best for casual or background listening, but when you're in the mood for it, very little else satisfies like it.

>>126813234
Yeah.

It's crazy how Rachmaninov rhymes with Black man a cock

>>126813472
>Mutt's law

Beethoven's last movement was allegedly brown.

>>126813610
His last bowel movement?

>>126813621
>His last bowel movement?
Große.

Stockhausen edition next or I'm not posting.

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