There is no need for sampling anymore and the entire “technique” has largely run its course in music. Hip hop producers don’t need to be celebrated as if they’re geniuses deserving of endless praise. Most of these “legendary” producers like The Alchemist, Dilla, Preemo, etc. had their heydays in the late 90s-early 2000s when most mainstream rap songs had really obvious samples. They weren’t doing anything innovative but just following the trends that already existed in mainstream music at the time. Now most rap beats are just recycled from older beats from 15-20 years ago (see: Anxiety, Kehlani’s After Hours, The Alchemist reusing his old beats).

Younger audiences are tired of sampling and see no need for it anymore. Rap is losing popularity as a genre anyway. Zoomers are largely embracing classical music because they want to see beauty re-introduced into society.

>>126823226 (OP)
Sampling came from classical music brainlet poser

>>126823226 (OP)
Evidence that zoomers don’t listen to rap anymore?

>>126823291
Explain

There was never a “need” for sampling to begin with.

>Younger audiences are tired of sampling
lol, nice projection m8

>>126823457
>>126823298
Rap is losing popularity. Check the streaming numbers as well as the Billboard charts.

>>126823391
Neely types like to make the (bad-faith) argument that classical composers quoting themes from other composers, writing variations on them and the like, is the same thing as P Diddler pressing play on an old RnB track and mumbling over it. Now, I acknowledge that many cases of creative/transformative sampling exist, but trying to draw parallels with classical music is hilariously retarded.

>>126823226 (OP)
Lots of baseless assumptions here.

sampling is sound collage
is collage art obsolete? is recontextualization not a valid artistic device?

>>126823530
rap is not the only genre that uses sampling big bro

>>126823226 (OP)
It’s definitely a relic now relegated to museum pieces like jazz and rock music. It will never be the next big thing again, though there might be a revival at some point it will mostly be lifeless and sanitized.

>>126824036
this.
sampling is everywhere.

>>126823226 (OP)
Producers barely sample anymore. They rely on making dry beats with a DAW.

>>126823391
Tape loops, musique concrete, electronicacoustic the list goes on....

>>126823291
if your fucking song sounds like bohemian rhapsody it means you stole shit and youre a fucking hack

>>126825032
Poseur
>>126823542
Not what I'm talking about loser. Faggot Neely is a hack.
>>126825010
It's this. Don't forget Plunderphonics and Messiaen's bird stuff. I mean how can you hear this and not say that it's sampling:
https://youtu.be/75QFsgDMHDM

>>126823226 (OP)
>that image
Strawman.

>>126823226 (OP)
Since you’re a socialist, you do realize all those old IWW and Joe Hill songs all used the melodies of hymns, right?

How is that not sampling?

>>126825010
>>126825288
artistic movements that utilize recording technology to distort and challenge the very concept of music are entirely not the same thing as cludging together classic pop recordings to build hype for your party mix, and you know this line of excuse was invented post-hoc by a white person with no connection to the culture

>>126823226 (OP)
What th hell are you talking about? Zoomers listen to rap more than any other genre.

>>126824742
>making dry beats with a DAW.
made from sample packs
each drum hit etc
it's not necessary to dig for samples anymore

>>126827296
This. It’s still sampling just not sampling from records.

>>126823542
Neely is a self-hating white weenie. And I'm not even white myself btw. Calling it for what it is. Nobody enjoys watching self-hatred except scum.

>>126824742
>producers don't sample anymore
>now they just use samples
Lol.

>>126825402
Wrong.

>>126824742
Retarded people shouldn't be allowed to talk

>>126823291
HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>126823226 (OP)
>Music production under [Steelman Fallacy] vs Music production under [Strawman Fallacy]
good thread, very intelligent discussion happening surely

>>126828630
“Steelman fallacy?”

>>126828635
Yes, a Steelman is the opposite of a Strawman, instead of dishonestly characterizing your opponents example negatively you dishonestly characterize your own example as a stronger one.

>>126828635
Strawman = despicting your enemy as the Syjak
Steelman = depicting yourself as the gigachad

>>126828620
Sampling didn't originate in hip hop, pop, or rock. It was invented by 20th century classical avant-garde composers (Schaeffer, Henry, Stockhausen, Cage, Varese, Xenakis), working in academic institutions, often funded by public broadcasters or universities. You tried.

>>126828669
>It was invented by 20th century classical avant-garde composers
Actual hacks even more than Lou Reed.

>>126829059
I don't necessarily disagree, lol.

>>126824742
Maybe a decade ago faggot.
The entire industry became ‘JUST USE SPLICE BRO’ and if you don’t know what that is you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

No one in their right mind besides day one Fl studio guys are going midi note sample for midi note sample.

Not that much time left.

What genuine retardation did OP delude themselves into to make this song

>>126823226 (OP)
>Not doing anything innovative

You do realize that as much as people want to discredit sampling J fills was also adding in creative mixing techniques such as hand sidechaining layers to the kick drum or vocals or whatever.

J dilla really should be known for his dramatic mixing techniques just as much as his micro sample techniques.

Besides flylo I think he was one of the first in hiphop to really create that 3D breathing sound.

>>126827140
OP's trying to push some imaginary reality where zoomers like classical and hate rap even though everyone knows it's the opposite. He's made a bunch of threads like this and it's either bait or OP's a zoomer desperately trying to make zoomers seem "based"

>>126823226 (OP)
>that image
Caleb Maupin, is that you?

>>126823298
American culture is shifting more conservative. A lot more zoomers are converting to Catholicism and going to church.

>>126831413
Christians love rap music, most rappers are Christian.

>>126823226 (OP)
>had their heydays in the late 90s-early 2000s when most mainstream rap songs had really obvious samples.
Care to give some concrete examples?

>>126829570
>>126829968
STOP REDDIT SPACING YOU DORK

>>126825288
>Not what I'm talking about loser. Faggot Neely is a hack.
Yeah I went full retard there, but it's because I once listened to a podcast where some dairy-alternative cretin made such a comparison. Basically Kanye is doing the same thing as Rachmaninoff.

>>126831966
>Basically Kanye is doing the same thing as Rachmaninoff.

Laughable

>>126823226 (OP)
>Zoomers are largely embracing classical music
I was on your side until you went full retard, never go full retard.

I like sampling because it makes the song cooler :3

>>126823226 (OP)
Sampling us far less prevalent in popular music today than it was in the 90s and 2000s because record labels charge an arm and a leg for sample clearance. That’s why everyone is sampling from sample packs these days.

>>126828669
>often funded by public broadcasters or universities

AKA the CIA

>>126823226 (OP)
sampling has been replaced by the algorithm

>>126833249
Yup. A.I. will be making all our music soon enough.

>>126823431
/thread

Black people have no excuse to not play real instruments. They did so during the jazz age.

>>126823226 (OP)
You honestly believe MPCs don’t exist in China?

>>126827296
>>126827615
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlvosrPZPFo

>>126834974
I don’t care about this ladyboy.

>>126823226 (OP)
>this shit again

>>126823226 (OP)
>Is sampling obsolete?
mostly. and the reason is simple to understand: copyright jews wanting a shekel for 2 seconds of audio and people that have no idea what to do except for downloading sample packs off of the internet.
> had really obvious samples
yeah, but one thing you don't understand about this: it cost a lot of money to use these obvious samples - it wasn't free. the main reason record labels embraced trap-like beats made with flstudio and shit was due to it being so easy to make and they payout less in royalties to other music labels they've sampled from.
> Younger audiences are tired of sampling and see no need for it anymore.
they weren't even born when it was it in its prime and know very little about it. how do you write a blog post like this like you know things but you're just a fucking dumb cunt that's completely out of touch with reality?

>>126834974
LOL!

>>126824742
Retarded post

>>126836073
make something better and show it to the class

>>126823291
Yeah, the "it-sounds-bad-on-purpose" classical music.

>>126827140
>>126830721
>>126831413
>>126823226 (OP)
>zoomers like classical music
I wish this shit was true, if I genuinely had fellow zoomers to discuss this type of music with to any level of depth, I wouldn't be relying on a single general on 4chan for most of my classical music discussion.

It is true that most zoomers are leaning more towards the right politically, but when it comes to music taste they still on average stick to the same relativist framework that devalues the medium as a whole (The notion of there being no objective measures by which you can critique music and that you should treat lil pump in the exact same manner as you would treat Bruckner), and usually listen to pretty braindead slop. This isn't exclusive to zoomers though, I've seen equally bad taste from millennials and boomers. But there is no reason to pretend that zoomers magically broke free from a problem that's been plaguing the last 3 to 4 generations. For that to happen, there'd need to finally be a movement to think of music as a serious art again, as it is not and has not been thought of that way for over a century now. I've been in enough discord servers where the "music" channel is a barren wasteland of people going
>Guy 1: This song is good [link to some trap shit]
>Guy 2: They made this song too [link to some other trap shit]
>Guy 1: wow this is good
Just endless loops of this exact interaction, no deeper discussion had, no knowledge gained. Mainly because these people cannot define what makes the music they like "good", and any attempt at it is vehemently opposed because the music they like wouldn't fall under any reasonable catagory of "good". So the cycle remains. Sadly this even happens when the average person likes classical music, which leads to there being no discussion other than "I like this piece" and "I don't like this piece" there as well

To give a tldr for those with ADHD, if you cannot explain why you like a piece of music in clear descriptive words you are a FAG

>>126823226 (OP)
counter point