iy
md5: 7905bf7e8b6e12228be988e26c232d79
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>jeetslop op
please be a deletey
ai slop but i'll take it, good job bitch
Members: JinSoul, HaSeul, Kim Lip, HeeJin, Choerry
Label: MODHAUS
ARTMS Daily Chart
Melon
#OUT [=] Icarus(Daily ULs 1363)
#OUT [=] Virtual Angel(Daily ULs 942)
#ARTMS #์๋ฅดํ
๋ฏธ์ค
@official_artms
but they sold 69 gorillion albums how's this possible?
ive makes that lil nigga seethe
>>126829441 (OP)>>126829448ai slop and hybebrown spam
just make a new one
*spank* fucking *spank* stop *spank* fucking *spank* taking *spank* so *spank* fucking *spank* long *spank* to *spank* fucking *spank* make *spank* it *spank* cunt *spank*
Real bad bidness, that's dirty work. Kek
imagine getting triggered by minju's fat jiggling pits
>>126829454comically ugly group especially kim lip and choerry
artms makes that little nigga seethe
Highest grossing tours by 4th Generation Girl Groups in North America;
#1. SYNK: PARALLEL LINE โ $10.75M
#2. SHOW WHAT I HAVE โ $5.23M
#3. I am FREE-TY โ $4.27M
1 leeseo post is enough to make xhim seethe no matter what
>>126829464divesisters our response?
>>126829460the ugliest shit fr
>>126829460pretty lip
>>126829462fucking cute chorbs
"Like You Better" by @realfromis_9 22:00 KST
#2 Bugs (=)
#17 Flo (+2) *new peak*
#51 MelOn (+5)
#79 Genie (+15)
#fromis_9 #ํ๋ก๋ฏธ์ค๋์ธ
ARTMS "ICARUS" 22KST Update:
#OUT Bugs (=) *re-peak*
#OUT Genie (=) *re-peak*
#OUT MelOn (=) *re-peak*
#OUT Flo (=) *re-peak*
#ARTMS #์๋ฅดํ
๋ฏธ์ค
kim lip is beautiful don't let anyone tell you otherwise
>>126829454arent you like a divebrown or something
>25 06 12
hoping ARTMS rise on the charts
>25 06 13
So unfortunately, Icarus didn't chart on MelOn... :/ It had 4969 ULs, which is a 22% drop from Virtual Angel which had 6433 ULs on the first day, but also didn't chart...
However, there's lot of buzz on X and discord right now so I could see it rising
>25 06 14
#ARTMS ' "Icarus" Day 2 on MelOn : 2337 ULs (-53%)
>25 06 15
#ARTMS ' "Icarus" Day 3 on MelOn : 2264 ULs
>25 06 20
#ARTMS ' "Icarus" on the MelOn charts
Day 4 : 2527 ULs
Day 5 : 2493 ULs
Day 6 : 2028 ULs
Day 7 : 1857 ULs
Sorry I forgot to update these
>25 06 23
#ARTMS ' "Icarus" on the MelOn charts
Day 8 : 1585 ULs
Day 9 : 1363 ULs
Day 10 : 1326 ULs
It's stabilizing !
โWhiplashโ with 35 weeks is now the 10th Longest charting song by a K-PoP girl group on Billboard Excl. US chart, surpassing โAntifragileโ by LE SSERAFIM.
>>126829464>sell half as many tickets per show>claim you make double the money
>>126829472has ARTMS ever charted on melon1000?
>>126829476hey that's just the bird/gook phenotype
enquando isso na coreia...
[DEBUT] #ILLIT "Do the Dance" 07PM KST Update:
#25 Bugs
#76 MelOn
#88 Genie
[DEBUT] #ARTMS "Icarus" 07PM KST Update:
#OUT Bugs
#OUT MelOn
#OUT Genie
ALLDAY PROJECT "FAMOUS" 00KST Update:
#2 Bugs (-1)
#2 MelOn (+1) *new peak*
#3 Flo (=)
#4 Genie (=)
ARTMS "ICARUS" 00KST Update:
#OUT Bugs (=) *re-peak*
#OUT Genie (=) *re-peak*
#OUT MelOn (=) *re-peak*
#OUT Flo (=) *re-peak*
fromis_9 "LIKE YOU BETTER" 00KST Update:
#1 Bugs (+1) *re-peak*
#36 Genie (+8) *new peak*
#41 MelOn (+4) *new peak*
#100 Flo (NEW)
ARTMS "ICARUS" 00KST Update:
#OUT Bugs (=) *re-peak*
#OUT Genie (=) *re-peak*
#OUT MelOn (=) *re-peak*
#OUT Flo (=) *re-peak*
>>126829464jesus christ ivechads... it's getting worse and worse
peak SEA hours? explains all the poonatrannies
happy birthday to our circle!
Where can I find this clip with sound?
Girl Groups with the Most Digital Index Points on Circle Digital Chart in 2025 so far:
#1. aespa - 995M
>>126829485no wonder the eunchaesis is melting
What time does aespa album release? 12AM?
Daily ULs in MelOn among girl group songs released in 2025
25 06 23
1) IVE 'Rebel Heart' โ 261,684
2) IVE 'ATTITUDE' โ 166,772
3) LE SSERAFIM 'HOT' โ 141,826
4) KiiiKiii 'I Do Me' โ 134,202
5) MEOVV 'HANDSUP' โ 112,933
...
997)
998)
999)
1000) ARTMS 'ICARUS' โ 1,326
>>126829490she's super bogged now
>>126829488me using my laser pointer on the neighborhood birds
enquando isso na coreia...
>illit
>h2h
>kiiikiii
>meovv
which group is worth the time and emotional investment?
https://desuarchive.org/mu/search/filename/.webm%20icarus/
what a loser
>>126829507NEED to lick every inch of her fuzzy bod
Korean: ์๋ฅดํ
๋ฏธ์ค
Debut: August 19, 2018
Members: JinSoul, HaSeul, Kim Lip, HeeJin, Choerry
Label: MODHAUS
ARTMS Daily Chart
Melon
#OUT [=] Icarus(Daily ULs 1363)
#OUT [=] Virtual Angel(Daily ULs 942)
Genie
#OUT [=] Icarus
#OUT [=] Virtual Angel
Bugs
#OUT [=] Icarus
#OUT [=] Virtual Angel
VIBE
#OUT [=] Icarus
#OUT [=] Virtual Angel
#ARTMS #์๋ฅดํ
๋ฏธ์ค
@official_artms
ARTMS ICARUS MV
Total Views
11 M
Non-Organic Views
6.8 M (+0.3 M) โ 62%
>>126829441 (OP)5th Generation girl groups with songs surpassing 15M streams on MelOn
1. QWER โ 4
2. ILLIT โ 3
3. BABYMONSTER โ 2
4. RESCENE โ 1
5. MEOVV โ 1
6. H2H โ 1
7. KiiiKiii โ 1
8. Fromis_9 โ 1
...
998.
999.
1000. ARTMS โ 0
>>126829464how expensive were aespa tickets?
>>126829511>favelado thirdie likes poona and tripleSamount of people shocked: 0
LOONA acts' monthly listeners count on Spotify (250620)
1 Chuu: 931 142 MLs
2 Yves: 873 654 MLs
3 Loossemble: 725 669 MLs
4 ARTMS: 203 512 MLs
Congratulations Chuu and Yves!
>"Dear" by #QWER (@official_QWER) reach a new peak on MelOn daily chart at #34 (+11) with 88K (+13K) ULs.
>MEOVV "HANDS UP" โ 11PM (KST) Update:
#19 MelOn (=)
#39 Genie (+2)
#13 FLO (=)
#13 Bugs (=)
โข MelOn 24H ULs: 111,292 (+219)
โICARUSโ by ARTMS has never entered the Top 1000 on MelOn TOP1000
#ARTMS #์๋ฅดํ
๋ฏธ์ค
@official_artms
>>126829527>3 Loossemble: 725 669 MLs>4 ARTMS: 203 512 MLswait what? we need to talk about this
fromis_9 Daily Chart
Melon
#58 [+2] Supersonic (Daily ULs 75492)
#83 LIKE YOU BETTER (Daily ULs 54623)
Genie
#118 [=] Supersonic
#126 LIKE YOU BETTER
Bugs
#2 LIKE YOU BETTER
#68 [+18] Supersonic
VIBE
#89 [+4] Supersonic
#fromis_9 #ํ๋ก๋ฏธ์ค๋์ธ
@realfromis_9
ARTMS Daily Chart
Melon
#OUT [=] Icarus(Daily ULs 1363)
Genie
#OUT [=] Icarus
Bugs
#OUT [=] Icarus
VIBE
#OUT [=] Icarus
#ARTMS #์๋ฅดํ
๋ฏธ์ค
@official_artms
oogie best chink
by a lot too
>>126829518>kari and backup dancers
5th Generation girl groups with songs surpassing 15M streams on MelOn
1. QWER โ 4
2. ILLIT โ 3
3. BABYMONSTER โ 2
4. RESCENE โ 1
5. MEOVV โ 1
6. H2H โ 1
7. KiiiKiii โ 1
8. Fromis_9 โ 1 *new entry*
...
996.
997.
998.
999.
1000. ARTMS โ 0 *re-entry*
it's shocking how bad ARTMS is doing and despite all that they're still promoting and having comebacks
the kpg theory that jaden subsidizes them with jadenpino NFT money must be true
It is with disappointment that we must inform you that ARTMSโs final music show performance will take place on June 22nd for Inkigayo. This means they will not be attending the June 24th episode of The Show, which had been our main focus.
We sincerely appreciate all the time and effort that everyone has put into downloading on Korean platforms, collecting votes, and streaming. However, it is extremely disappointing that Modhaus has decided to limit ARTMS's promotion to just one week.
If you still have active Genie or Bugs 1-day rental accounts, we urge you to continue downloading as these accounts will soon expire.
This is not the outcome we had hoped for after a year of anticipation. We are disappointed and expect a clear explanation as to why their promotional period was so short.
#ARTMS #์๋ฅดํ
๋ฏธ์ค
Other interesting tidbits of information about #ARTMS ' fanbase
Ouriis are +/- divided this way:
[ 57% male / 43% female ]
[3% 10-19yo /
10% 20-29yo /
29% 30-39 yo /
41% 40-49 yo /
14% 50-59 yo /
3% 60+
>>126829536because poossembe disbanded but ARTMS is still active??!!!
what happened to the shittymonster twink who gaslighted himself into thinking they were popular in the US? illit are the real 5th gen leaders and mog these niggaboos
chaeyoung please dye your hair back
>>126829553w-why is she presenting it like that?
>>126829554wait so they skipped the nugu show because they wouldn't win?
bruh even tripleS won that show lmao
>>126829441 (OP)#ARTMS ' "Icarus" on the MelOn charts
Day 8 : 1585 ULs
Day 9 : 1363 ULs
Day 10 : 1326 ULs
It's stabilizing !
>"Dear" by #QWER (@official_QWER) reach a new peak on MelOn daily chart at #34 (+11) with 88K (+13K) ULs.>MEOVV "HANDS UP" โ 11PM (KST) Update:#19 MelOn (=)
#39 Genie (+2)
#13 FLO (=)
#13 Bugs (=)
โข MelOn 24H ULs: 111,292 (+219)
#MEOVV #๋ฏธ์ผ์ค
#HANDS_UP #DROP_TOP
#MYEYESOPENVVIDE
>[] FIFTY FIFTY โ "Pookie" | 09AM KST Update:#6 Bugs (+2)
#95 MelOn (+3) *new peak*
#81 Flo (+4) *new peak*
#100 Genie (+20)
โMelOn ULs: 40,997 *new peak*
only 1 week until the stayc concert
i wonder how many closeted homosexuals from kpg will be there
>>126829561it's a kpop thing
>>126829556americans can't afford to go to concerts under trumps presidency
i would hate ARTMS regardless but I'm also glad they're doing terribly and losing jaden a shit ton of money
>>126829564getting beaten by "pookie" is wild
why are you replying to yourself
this is where moggings happen
yeah, i love skinny korean sluts
>>126829580schizo i literally posted this
>>126829571
>>126829441 (OP)>Not when Virtual Angel existsโฆ It will remain the best 5th gen debut & redebut songARTMS fans are so funny bc theyโll be like โomg this song is going viralโ and itโs charting 1000 below on melon with like 1,000 ULs max.
why doe gllits melt at other groups so much?
>>126829576leeseo is dangerously hot these days
June 2025 Individual 5th Gen Idol Ranking
1. TWS's Dohoon
2. ILLIT's Minju
3. KiiiKiii's Jiyu
4. ILLIT's Wonhee
5. MEOVV's Anna
6. TWS's Shinyu
7. izna's Yoon Jiyoon
8. KiiiKiii's Haum
9. KATSEYE's Yoonchae
10. Hearts2Hearts's Jiwoo
11. ILLIT's Moka
12. Hearts2Hearts's Ian
13. KATSEYE's Daniela
14. KiiiKiii's Leesol
15. KiiiKiii's Sui
16. ILLIT's Yunah
17. KATSEYE's Lara
18. MEOVV's Ella
19. ILLIT's Iroha
20. KATSEYE's Manon
21. KATSEYE's Megan
22. KATSEYE's Sophia
23. BABYMONSTER's Ahyeon
24. TWS's Hanjin
25. izna's Bang Jimin
26. TWS's Jihoon
27. TWS's Youngjae
28. izna's Mai
29. ifeye's Kasia
30. TWS's Kyungmin
...
997.
998.
999. ARTMS's Kim Lip
>>126829581this is what happens when divesisters are falsefaggign with this group to shit on LSF. They all end up flopping
>>126829581i really expected this. chaewon has become a meme among brown zoomer americans they have organic popularity to do a US tour
>>126829495round legal loli
>>126829569multiple groups are doing well in the US tour, YG couldn't understand his group's demand for the market and thought they could replace blackpink with rookies.
wow i definitely wanted to argue about concerts again how did you know
>>126829593kim lip is the ugliest shit fr fr
>>126829581>net attendance bruh the shows have not happened
why is the karinafag so obsessed with seething at eunchae?
>>126829613EWWWWWWWWWWWWWW so fucking ugly
>>126829609why do you erp with brown men
>>126829617cope harder, karinafag
why is he seething over artms
remember when only the (cringe) rapper of the group would do the (cringe) girlboss snarl face thing
we didn't know how good we had it...
eunchaesis try not to seethe at other groups and posters for one day ok
>>126829591yeah
you'd get frostbite at those temperatures
it's incredibly dangerous
I feel like I'm in a time loop. This is the exact same thread as from yesterday.
file
md5: a8ca2061a89c14f1ab1d36c67348f1c8
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>>126829637yeah it's the same poona autist spamming ARTMS uggos 18 hours a day every day
https://desuarchive.org/mu/search/filename/.webm%20artms/
You guys do know that this is the day of days, right? That KPOP's d-day is some 12 hours from now, when the devilspawn Katseye take on the angelic beauty of aespa and hopefully succumb. If against the mightiest odds, informed by the general nose of the sharpest bookmakers, Katseye does prevail, then 1000 years of darkness is the sequel. And I mean that in the richest sense: we'll bee seeing uncounted hundreds of groups made up of Indians and troons and Indian troons, all producing music so bland as to make Le Sserafim blush. So, put aside your jealousies and rally behind aespa today if only for the sake of KPOP's future. Long live hot asian girls, long live KPOP.
>>126829634COME ON SIS TALK YO SHIT. LET IT ALL OUT
>>126829267san
i feel like the more attractive the gaypop, the more boring he is. it's like testosterone reduces a man's capacity to be funny
>>126829650do you plan to spam heejman man'oballs today?
pookie was a good song but then the internet harassed keena so much that she went on hiatus and all of its soul was gone when they performed it
>>126829655i don't post loona sorry
>>126829665let's keep it that way
please refrain from posting men
please and thank you
>>126829674how about you ateez deez nuts kek gottem
i'm going to the ive thread, seeya later
phew... soojin found her airpods
>>126829566want to hang out befrehaond? and maybe after?
>>126829678boring flop joke :/
maybe you have testosterone after all
>>126829680>>126829684hold up i'm going with you
>>126829566row and seat number?
Ian Ian Ian Ian Ian Ian Ian Ian
>>126829698i posted it here months ago
people still bring it up
>>126829712omo iโm kind of near you
want to aggressively bark every time isa talks?
nobody wants top from an auzzie
>>126829566>closeted?
i'm going to fuck some kpg bussy in the toilets
does anyone wanna make a kpop group with me on roblox you'll have to buy your own cosmetics tho
orbitsissy dead in a ditch with his turk bf
>>126829727no I'm going to sit quietly and bask in her gentle decency
>>126829728wrong
kpgers who go to stayc concerts do
>fat breedsow pig
>gently decency
>JUNE COMEBACKS
1-10 https://pastebin.com/SjzifT6J
1-10 STAYC jp https://youtu.be/YcLXuUpZ-bs Kiss of Life https://youtu.be/52IyDIMyejQ ITZY https://youtu.be/1KhOhW_O8-k
11 Solar (MAMAMOO) cn single https://youtu.be/nWF8Kg1eh6A INSUN https://youtu.be/g7SCm_MnfSw
12 PRIMROSE https://youtu.be/vZPtyK9XCtU meenoi single https://youtu.be/MFoLuzQGNN0
13 ARTMS https://youtu.be/J-bEGflpV9k j-hope (BTS) https://youtu.be/q9leDzlNEaY ATEEZ https://youtu.be/H4H99b1CjPU
15 Baby DONT Cry pr https://youtu.be/uWT79Qq52sU
16 ILLIT https://youtu.be/negtrQu5mTA Kang Daniel https://youtu.be/eMCLXX4KrT0 ALLDAY PROJECT pr https://youtu.be/VjvzYjU1mY0
17 Moon Byul (MAMAMOO) pr https://youtu.be/yKC7JkWl6ig Doeun (YOUNG POSSE) cover https://youtu.be/uJnCAhLZiPY
18 Hearts2Hearts single https://youtu.be/n7kFRxFIPrI Stray Kids jp https://youtu.be/11XJbEuB_P4
19 BIG Naughty X Lee Chanhyuk (AKMU) https://youtu.be/lKrspmmsCOo PARAMETER (Prod. Ollounder) https://youtu.be/UvxZL9S32f8 TWICE ost https://youtu.be/7XRcflf_E0c
20 KATSEYE pr https://youtu.be/CjnB56tSCQI VVUP single https://youtu.be/UG5jR87TtJA Balming Tiger X ATARASHII GAKKO! https://youtu.be/rpcHhLy3waA
23 CRAVITY https://youtu.be/IV6yrrLyhCA Baby DONT Cry https://youtu.be/KEUlytSqlsU ALLDAY PROJECT https://youtu.be/mhKCRnUKp5U LE SSERAFIM jp ost https://youtu.be/v_Zt_8CO6yQ
24 Onew (SHINee) pr https://youtu.be/oG_obuvhJ0M LE SSERAFIM jp rm https://youtu.be/07EmzLOyv5Y
25 fromis_9 https://youtu.be/r1QapH1SIAI
26 H1-KEY
27 aespa, KATSEYE, Wonho single
30 ONEUS, MOMOLAND single, IVE jp
>Resources
Helpful Info (Show Times, Music, Guides, etc) https://pastebin.com/N6sw4gLG
Webm Making https://pastebin.com/YUwVnVww
Monthly Polls https://pastebin.com/vjUXD5RZ
also check out the other kpop threads on mu and other boards! >>>/tv/kdrama https://boards.4chan.org/mu/catalog#s=thread%20#
>>126829741fine
how about j then
>>126829751>wonho singleoh shit he's single get in here
>>126829751sis, do you think the israel/iran ceasefire will hold?
>>126829747you shut your dirty jew mouth before i fuck it shut
>>126829742australians are an ick
post unemployed ex-idols with no future
oh so you call yourself a gllit? as in i rub on you? lmao
>>126829743>turns 18>celebrates by wearing a school girl esque outfit and dances around for her majority older male fanbasethe IMPLICATIONS...............
>>126829449you little bitch... go ask
>>126829757don't fuck my mouth noo isa daddy don't hold my hands above my head while pumping my mouth slowly at the stayc concert I just want to be normal
how does she keep getting away with it
>>126829762where is loona
>>126829756that's cbsus
but cbs already talked at length about this issue, she wants israel wiped out
>>126829777getting away with what
>>126829777yikes moka is wony tier emaciated
>>126829777how did moka get a finger injury
>>126829794cuttign limes :(
let's all calm down and fap to isa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36pYqX1INdc
>>126829762blackpink tour will beat these gaypops
>>126829556>>126829581not a fair comparison. baemon venues are much more expensive and no im not coping
australians have the most disgusting speech and they are all dysgenic anglos
>>126829801This frog is very eye catching!
cbsus (sis but from new zealand)
>>126829807they are not lmao, if anything lesserafim tickets are some of the most expensive out there
>>126829777illit kids are so creepy looking
>>126829809shut the fuck up cunt
>>126829825why did you stop posting loona crop
>>126829835absolutely no idea what you're talking about
never posted anything loona in my life except yeojin's height and weight
>>126829794she did this and hit her hand on a wall
thread detectives and hall monitors not very smart or good at their jobs
>>126829845go back to posting loona crop again
>>126829828still less creepy than this
>>126829825 uggo
did lsf concertshitter get banned? how did it get so quiet so fast?
>>126829854don't even know what that means
here have a bite of this maybe it'll make you less angry and stupid
>>126829823alright new cope. baemon debuted 2 years after lsf and they're doing exceptionally well internationally considering how young they are
hyunjin company shitshow status?
too nuch schizo shit, post ryuj
>too much schizo shit, post more schizo shit
>>126829861alright I'm calm now, thank you ian :)
which company is the 4chan of kpop
Let the melty begin lmao!!!!!!!!!!
Cant wait to see Gigi, cub, maybe even newjeans and all the other regulars Ye enjoyers attending it
can you believe they're still going?
[+74, -7]
NewJeans fans are literally all mentally ill at this point.. I don't even feel bad anymore
>>126829862the standard for 5th gen is so damn low that by default they are the leaders of their gen. They are like itzy from 2019-2021
>>126829441 (OP)what's this supposed to be from
what in the indian grok user is this OP
Source Music seriously underestimated LE SSERAFIM popularity in the US. Hopefully, in the second leg they move up to more East Coast cities and arenas
>>126829877what songs will he play
>>126829877why are they still mad? he already apologized
for me it's
newjeans
red velvet
h2h
illit
meovv (girls only)
random others like eunha and isa
>>126829895who's your favorite rv?
>>126829897the shadow revealing itself to be a man is quite ironic
>>126829819how do you know that
>>126829559and get rid of the bangs
>>126829918how would ryujin even survive without the alpha yeji
the only qwer I like is that drummer girl and I don't even know her name (I don't dislike the other members I just don't know them)
yejibros we are just a ghost in a shell
>>126829935we love chodan
>>126829942her name is literally chode?
are the youngseo fancams delivering yet
>>126829946any fancams from today?
>>126829910hagchads unite
>>126829946for lip2sync, microphones are decorative accessories
>>126829951freaking LOVE frogny
ian fancam
https://youtu.be/lNCvzKp7VDM
yea...
>>126829960natural playful and welcome third wheel unlike carmen
frognian is stacymaxxing already
>>126829973wow her ahys almost popped out
famous by alldayproject is now #1 melon
kpop is officially dead
>>126829973ahy doing this on my fucking c
h2h jiwoo is the new kang hyewon and we couldn't be more thrilled
>>126829985bought and paid for
>>126829972the weak should fear the strong
sex with all of nmixxx except haewon
>>126829985it's objectively the best song released this year after Hands Up
when are idols i like getting posted
>>126830002make some webms for us froggers?
>>126830007what's up teddy
You can only choose one Cosmic Girl
>>12682998513 hours bro
hang in there
>>126829985this is the most disingenuous popularity I've seen in a long while.
>>126830007This is just roundly awful taste.
What's wrong with kpop, why is everyone dirty and beaten up now?
y'all didn't have to roast gawonbro like that
>>126830030streetwalker concepts are in this year
>>126830027don't talk to me aespajeet
what's the last time a kpop group got a PAK with less than 10k sales
a true nugu miracle
let's ignore that one of the members is quite literally the granddaughter of samsung surely that does not matter
>>126830030This girl has been so badly used by the industry, it's a wonder she's not face-down ass-up in a gutter someplace. Of course her music sucks but that's no bar to success in Korea.
you better make it fast this time
>>126830041I thought you wanted me to last longer
>>126830030imagine watiting more than a year for new music and the teasers are AI generated lmao
they probably asked grok for an album concept
>>126830037You're taste is so bad, I'm just glad there's a screen between us so your dirty face doesn't afflict my sightline.
>>126830041but karina jaewook isn't even here
>>126830030they're all copying tripleS, who are taking over kpop by the end of this year.
>>126830010what's a good speed for the important parts?