Is "extreme metal" all an elaborate joke? You can't tell me people seriously listen to those vocals.

>>126872142 (OP)
>You can't tell me people seriously listen to those vocals
but enough about bob dylan and tom waits

and some people listen to shit like brave little abacus

>>126872142 (OP)
as a man, why wouldn't you like the darkest most aggressive vocals possible?

>>126872142 (OP)
As a mcr fan, Some of those are actually good, most are meh... crap, to put it mildly.

>>126872142 (OP)
>>126872318
metal with clean vocals is the best kind of music.

>>126872385
i used to think like you. you're missing out on an entire world of great music. once you learn to accept the vocals you actually start enjoying and then preferring them.

>>126872431
no. I've listened to plenty of metal with growls. the best thing about music is the melody, it's what gets stuck in your head, whether it's the instruments or the vocals. and growls just aren't very melodic. I've never once had a single line of it in my head. it's just background noise while listening.

>>126872385
Power metal is the worst kind of metal

>>126872142 (OP)
I mean, Smashing Pumpkins are super popular and mainstream with Corgan's vocals

>>126872467
ever heard of melodic death metal? progressive death metal has a lot of melody too

>>126872609
melodeath choruses can be amazing, yes.

Some awesome death metal songs : https://youtu.be/4jmj_ochRjk?si=yYf3OAC5K4oSuODS , https://youtu.be/aT6qK_hfS3E?si=sqFfeBvqw_xI_0MI , https://youtu.be/I518eDuhM_w?si=gJF2jbWwkB-650oF

>>126872649
i'd argue there's more melody is a melodeath chorous than entire thrash songs

>>126872695
I wish MCR had made more death metal-like songs, they had talent https://youtu.be/HSAXVVl9BUU?si=L1VpNdJqmSgHsWRV

The joke is on you.

>>126872478
Not even in the slightest. Try again, retard.

>>126872467
>growls just aren't very melodic. I've never once had a single line of it in my head
LEPERS COILED NEATH THE TREEEEEEEES

You're missing out OP. It really depends on both the accompanying music and on who's doing the extreme vocals.
Some guys can really produce amazing sounds without any effort, while others sound like perpetually angry tryhard faggots on their last breath.

>>126872318
This confirms my theory metalfags just listen to it because they think it's heckin manly and not because they think it actually sounds good

>>126872142 (OP)
Impetigo better

>>126872142 (OP)
I question the sincerity of anyone who listens to it for the first time and says they love the vocals right away. I enjoy harsh vocals but it was a gradual process for me.

>>126872142 (OP)
metalheads are incapable of understanding what's good music
they think grunts and distorted noisy guitar with no melody and random fast drumming is good
you can't even tell what they are playing from how distorted noisy and low quality their instruments sound
how can you expect those mentally handicapped troglodytes that genuinely enjoy that shit to even comprehend art?

>>126875502
t. heard 15 seconds of some shitty black emtal demo on youtube and formed his whole opinion based off that

>>126873936
it sounds good to me as a man because it sounds manly. men like manly things anon - not that hard to understand

>>126875502
nice bait

>>126875502
Listen to this and tell me it's not art
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_wnAoicd6U

>>126872142 (OP)
I thought like that too, but the vocals just click if you listen to it a bit
You start appreciating how expressive they are and that they fit the intensity of the music. And sometimes they are technically impressive

>>126875570
it's passable at the start but to call it 'good' would be a bit of a stretch
then the fast drumming, shitty noisy guitar and retarded screamings happened and it went straight into the shitter

>>126876025
What did you think of those ones ? >>126872695 When it comes to metal, I prefer the power one, but there is good death metal https://youtu.be/x9_ZBrsd-T0?si=n7GELp4HETir6tnD , https://youtu.be/xSYAhLYDa2c?si=g2hxm5qukvqCKlUz and so-so ones https://youtu.be/0p-NyGCEeN8?si=dv8AiTvvSbJPWkLq

Listen to real metal like Sleep Token

>>126873936
>>126872142 (OP)
It also confirms that you are autistic af fr :^)

Opeth were paralleled masters at blending the clean with the harsh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Zdg4Sbefg4

>>126872142 (OP)
>make songs about zombies, cannibals, and slasher movie like monsters/killers
>include violent gory lyrics
any other vocals just wouldn't work for the subject matter. It's music designed to be like a horror movie but as music, trying to sound like a monster just fits it.
>seriously
and that's part of your problem. Most death metal bands don't take themselves that seriously, it's all just fun and a lot of it is tongue in cheek, and a lot of it s just literally inspired by horror movies that the songwriters liked. The first Death Metal album was inspired by City of the Living Dead, Evil Dead, Reanimator, Cannibal Ferox, and Zombie.
Don't take it seriously just have fun with it the same way you watch a zombie movie or friday the 13th movie.

>>126875470
I enjoyed it right away but I saw it as kinda funny cookie monster vocals.
I never took it seriously, but I'm also a horror movie fan.

90s alternative metal is the best

>>126872142 (OP)
>>126872921
I like the screaming/growling to actually sound like the lyrics that it's supposed to be as opposed to
>ROO ROO ROO ROOROOROO ROOOOO

>>126872142 (OP)
OP i think you'd like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8kGgtF-C4w

>>126876643
>URRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>Is "electronic music" all an elaborate joke? You can't tell me people seriously listen to those bleeps and bloops.
>Is "jazz" all an elaborate joke? You can't tell me people seriously listen to that discordant mess of self-indulgent 'improvisation'
>Is "rap" all an elaborate joke? You can't tell me people seriously listen to some person talking in rhymes over a sampled (stolen) beat and call it 'music'

You can apply this reductive view to basically anything, and it's always an alternate way of saying 'I got filtered'
Some people here are obsessed with the idea of having eclectic taste, so they adopt this retarded mindset where they absolutely need to know and like everything good, and anything they don't like MUST be just a joke/bad. No mate, it's just not for you. Shitting on it might make you feel better but you're never gonna change the opinion of those who it is for lol

>>126873936
It's not one or the other, both are true.

>>126873936
There are two types of people who don't like metal. People who get it but aren't into it, and people who can't even understand it. If you have to tell yourself that the lister base that props up such a huge number of bands are only pretending, you're the latter lol

>bait vs metalfags thread #45678765
Yawn.

>>126875502
You and the rest of the brain damaged melanated retards in the thread *do* realize that "metal" has a gorillion of sub-genres that are widely diffent from one another right?
That there's bands with clean vocals and extremely melodic music all the way until literal wall of noise kind of stuff?

Baffling, even for bait.

>>126872142 (OP)
Prog death, Melodeath and death doom are the only good kinds of extreme metal

white guy power fantasy

>>126880104
What's your favorite melodeath

>>126872478
Your mother's cunt bitchboi

>>126872478
This is true and you’re right

>>126872142 (OP)
Where's Infant Annihilator?

>>126876558
Comparing metal to horror movies makes a lot of sense in general. Both get shit on a lot for not being as "deep" as other genres when in reality they just focus on aspects those genres often don't (fear and discomfort in horror movies and general aggression in metal)

>>126873936
If you enjoy horror or action movies you shouldn't be surprised people enjoy a music version of those things.

>>126880238
>"metal is white people music"

>>126872142 (OP)
Do not see Arghoslent or Ad Hominem. F-.
>>126881766
Based war metal skinhead overlords, but yes it is white people and hispanic music overwhelmingly even though there are a lot of blacks and gooks playing it too. A picture of Caller of the Storms doesn't change that.

>>126872467
>it's just background noise while listening.

yeah dude the guitars are doing the melodies. OR everything is being lumped into a timbral object where the vocals are just adding distortion. distortion is really important in metal.

>>126872467
>the best thing about music is the melody

popular sentiment, but try not to fuck it up for those who want to occasionally hear something other than melody.

>>126880637
nta Be'lakor is my favourite by a lot. what's yours?

>>126880937
it's literally what inspired Black Sabbath to make the genre. They were a blues rock band named Earth (and before that the Polka Tulk Blues Band) and they were at a practice space across from a cinema, and they saw people lining up to watch some old horror movie called "Black Sabbath" Tony and Geezer basically just kinda thought "well if people would line up to see scary movies would they want to hear scary music?" Scary movies have occult themes and violence and death, so that became the themes of their songs. They used Tritone in their chords because it's kind of dissonant sounding (hence the name "the Devil's Interval" or "the Devil's Chord"), and they went heavy.
Extreme Metal is just going further along that idea. Black Metal went further into the occult and Satanism, and Death Metal went further into gore and zombie motifs.

>>126873936
>because they think it's heckin manly
no, that mentality resulted in buttmetal like pantera and hellyeah, or nu (du-che) "metal" shit like crazytown and limp bizkit. extreme metal vocals were supposed to primarily convey the feeling of horror and dread with varying degrees of brutality added, or harshness in the higher registers with black metal mainly. the retards who appropriated the music and just wanted to make tough guy shit, mainly metalcore frat homos, never understood it in the first place and are just grunting to impress other males to notice them as a potential mating partner or something.

>>126880637
Dark Tranquility
Insomnium
Mors Principium Est
Kalmah

>>126873936
Wait until you see how pathetic rapfags are then

>>126884397
Yeah that's in its own league entirely. You know that British kid who died in a sandbox imitating a Naruto character with sand powers? Adults playing power rangers is basically the level rapfags are at. People just don't notice it cause they unconsciously have very low expectations of you-know-whats in general so it doesn't register how retarded it is except for when they contemplate ICP.

>>126876558
>any other vocals just wouldn't work for the subject matter. It's music designed to be like a horror movie but as music, trying to sound like a monster just fits it.
here's the thing:
>>include violent gory lyrics
people cant really understand the lyrics.

its not only extreme metal that has this issue.
on later pantera songs phils singing is often hard to understand.

>>126888680
to some degree, but after awhile you can pick out what they're saying. Or in reading the lyrics then you can hear them once you know what they are if you care to actually know what they are.
But mainly they're going for a certain sound rather than pushing forward a narrative to be understood by listeners. At least in Death Metal, there's generally no overarching message they want to get across to the listener. There's a few exceptions of course, I know that Dying Fetus has gotten political in their lyrics at times, but even when they are they're most often just going for a brutal sound, and the "monster" sounding vocals take precedence to being understood.
Black Metal, at times I do wonder why they don't go for more understandable vocals since they generally ARE preaching a message, an anti-Christian message most of the time.

But something like early Carcass they just pulled terms out of medical dictionaries to come up with excessively gory and disgusting lyrics about things like getting high off of corpse gas fumes and trying to reassemble a corpse in a morgue that's been hacked into pieces and is decaying. But they themselves say don't take it too seriously we're just trying to sound clever with the terminology. But it just sounds better when they're trying to sound like some sort of ghoulish creatures when doing it.

>>126889785
>At least in Death Metal, there's generally no overarching message they want to get across to the listener. There's a few exceptions of course,
the band Death might be an exception. I think Chucked managed to make his words understandable.

>>126872478
This

>>126872318
>As a man, why wouldn't you be sexually attracted to the most burly, masculine, powerful man possible? Surely you're not some faggot who likes dainty feminine women, right?

>>126889845
well later Death albums he did have some more preachy songs mainly about being judged by neighbors and stuff (Crystal Mountain, the Philosopher, etc), but Scream Bloody Gore was literally Chuck writing songs about some of his favorite zombie movies.

>>126889924
I think even on earlier albums theres stuff with ideas.

Like from the second album:
Pull the plug is about someone would be be better off dead.
Born dead is about life being shit (which is a very common theme in his songs).

>>126889785
And then Carcass became melodeath pioneers and started writing songs about veganism

>>126872478
Correct.

>>126880238
South Americans are huge metalheads too

>>126889976
to be fair, that's one of the reasons I actually prefer not being able to understand the lyrics, if they get too preachy I'd rather just think "they're just doing another song about hacking something into pieces"
That comes almost inevitably as a musician gets older they start doing more "serious" theme songs.
A band like Nile though sticks to their theme (Egyptology and Lovecraftian horror), and I appreciate them for that. Even when they do a song about refusing to be hung upside down and force fed their own shit by winged apes (it's something from the Egyptian book of the dead, I guess their torture for the wicked in the underworld)

>>126880238
>>126890020
this nigga pioneered brutal death metal, and outright invented the slam riff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utwmnkw9Rf4

>>126890083
correct, and here's his thoughts on that

>>126872142 (OP)
What's the matter, kid? Too br00tal for you?