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Anonymous No.126875831 >>126875854 >>126875869 >>126876462
KPOP GENERAL
Anonymous No.126875837 >>126876027
Ian
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Anonymous No.126875839
post kyujin
Anonymous No.126875841
Walled at 25
Anonymous No.126875844
ruka's abs
Anonymous No.126875845 >>126875867 >>126875873 >>126875879 >>126875894
hagbrats...
Anonymous No.126875847
asa
Anonymous No.126875848
L
Anonymous No.126875852
Asa and Ruka, Ahyeon watching
Anonymous No.126875854
>>126875831 (OP)
riina
Anonymous No.126875857
O
Anonymous No.126875865
E
Anonymous No.126875867 >>126875891 >>126875904
>>126875845
imagine making tiktoks at 35
Anonymous No.126875869
>>126875831 (OP)
sexx
Anonymous No.126875873
>>126875845
sex
Anonymous No.126875876
V
Anonymous No.126875879
>>126875845
sex
Anonymous No.126875886 >>126875890
where's rami
Anonymous No.126875890
>>126875886
sex
Anonymous No.126875891
>>126875867
dxw.....
Anonymous No.126875892
post bahi
Anonymous No.126875894
>>126875845
:anger: :anger: :anger:
Anonymous No.126875896 >>126875903 >>126875907
Why is 2ne1 popular?
Anonymous No.126875901 >>126875928 >>126875929 >>126875950 >>126875971
Anonymous No.126875903
>>126875896
cause they're just my type and i like their style
Anonymous No.126875904
>>126875867
soul ngl
Anonymous No.126875907
>>126875896
they're ugly, so roasties support them
Anonymous No.126875912 >>126875921
This comeback was a flop compared to the previous releases.
I don't like the original song,flaccid sound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2WTUoy4y6E

This AI version is a bombtrack,very very cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPTBQBqGAuc
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Anonymous No.126875917
>Sprinting through the airport with Haerin's stolen Crocs making sure to take deep inhales periodically
Anonymous No.126875921 >>126875977
>>126875912
your post was not interesting enough to post again
Anonymous No.126875922
There were rumours of companies making 2 groups, 1 for debut and one that was forced to provide sexual favours for the sake of debuting, of course they never intended to debut the latter group but the trainees didn't know that.
Anonymous No.126875925
Why do Kpop boomers worship gdragon?
Anonymous No.126875926 >>126875934 >>126875944
holy crap, it's zoa!!
Anonymous No.126875928
>>126875901
i already told you i don't have games on my phone go away
Anonymous No.126875929 >>126875933 >>126875950
>>126875901
why is she dressed like a 5 year old
Anonymous No.126875930 >>126876070
Anonymous No.126875933
>>126875929
Appealing to the Western demographic
Anonymous No.126875934
>>126875926
i love her!
Anonymous No.126875939 >>126875948 >>126875951 >>126875956 >>126875966
Is Rei attractive?
Anonymous No.126875944
>>126875926
beautiful
Anonymous No.126875948
>>126875939
Many would disagree
Anonymous No.126875949 >>126875955 >>126875960 >>126875970 >>126875980
you're on a diet but she hands you this cake, what do?
Anonymous No.126875950 >>126875971
>>126875901
>>126875929
because it's hot
ToT
Anonymous No.126875951
>>126875939
nah
Anonymous No.126875954
xinyu looks kind of bogged on stage
Anonymous No.126875955
>>126875949
Well, you don't want to be rude
Anonymous No.126875956
>>126875939
not on the inside
Anonymous No.126875960 >>126875963 >>126875978
>>126875949
say no, losing weight is more important
Anonymous No.126875962
>please take some pictures with ye-on; it's your turn to do it.
Anonymous No.126875963 >>126875969
>>126875960
Now she's crying
Anonymous No.126875966 >>126875987
>>126875939
perfect from head to ankle
Anonymous No.126875969 >>126875978
>>126875963
ok but she is silly from getting sad at me not getting fatter
Anonymous No.126875970
>>126875949
slap it out of her hands
Anonymous No.126875971 >>126875975
>>126875901
>>126875950
these posts are incredibly problematic desu
Anonymous No.126875975
>>126875971
She chose to wear it
Anonymous No.126875977
>>126875921
I think he is a different poster,skip if you don't like
Anonymous No.126875978
>>126875969
>>126875960
Anonymous No.126875980
>>126875949
falcon punch
Anonymous No.126875983 >>126875989
i don't see a problem with kot
Anonymous No.126875987
>>126875966
this is bait
Anonymous No.126875989
>>126875983
There isn't one, that's why she's perfect
Anonymous No.126875995
I like how everyone loves Haerin. The only disagreement is whether or not to lewd. Truly /ourgirl/
Anonymous No.126875998 >>126876007 >>126876018
if katseye are successful and the members become millionaires, do you think yoonchae will ever go back to korea?
Anonymous No.126876003 >>126876010 >>126876019 >>126876022 >>126876058 >>126876093 >>126876105
aside from precious kot and frog iangel, who are your favourite animal kpops?
Anonymous No.126876007
>>126875998
No, she's moving in with me on my rice farm when she turns 18
Anonymous No.126876010
>>126876003
Toad naturally
Anonymous No.126876012 >>126876162
any good female idols asmr to relax and fall asleep to? I like IU's and Jisun's from fromis a lot.

I don't like the asmr idols usually do on M2.
didn't like karina's asmr because she is too hyperactive and giggles or stops every few secs. didn't like stayc's asmr either.

prefer one girl in the video.
Anonymous No.126876018
>>126875998
nah she's tasted freedom with the americans
Anonymous No.126876019
>>126876003
i like sharks
Anonymous No.126876021
Flat princess
Anonymous No.126876022 >>126876030 >>126876031 >>126876043 >>126876057
>>126876003
hamster/guinea pig/squirrel/circle
Anonymous No.126876027
>>126875837
fpbp
Anonymous No.126876030 >>126876089
>>126876022
i forgot she is also a seal/potato
Anonymous No.126876031
>>126876022
i'm experiencing cute aggression
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Anonymous No.126876038
some of these idols need a good hand-holding
Anonymous No.126876040 >>126876056
to this day i'm still disappointed in hanni for being a total liar bitch cunt. so betrayed
Anonymous No.126876043
>>126876022
sweetie baby angel child kissy kissy kissy
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Anonymous No.126876046 >>126876051
Improved Kot
Anonymous No.126876048
somi
Anonymous No.126876051
>>126876046
Anonymous No.126876052 >>126876071
Anonymous No.126876054 >>126876077 >>126876104
Anonymous No.126876056 >>126876063 >>126876069
>>126876040
not even joking i truly believe mhj put her up to it
hanni probably just mentioned feeling unwelcome or something in passing and i bet mhj was like "were going scorched earth FIRE THE TORPEDOES"
Anonymous No.126876057
>>126876022
everything looks so big in mokys tiny hands
Anonymous No.126876058 >>126876073
>>126876003
gotta be bird
Anonymous No.126876061 >>126876071
Anonymous No.126876063
>>126876056
you're just not a good person if you agree to that knowing full well you are in the wrong
Anonymous No.126876065 >>126876068
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Anonymous No.126876068
>>126876065
qt
Anonymous No.126876069
>>126876056
>mhj forced her to lie in court
>mhj forced her to fake cry on camera
>mhj forced her to laugh at the new CEO
>mhj forced her to give all the interviews
>mhj forced her to ignore ILLIT
Anonymous No.126876070
>>126875930
you literally can't name anything or anyone in the world cuter than a sully
Anonymous No.126876071 >>126876083
>>126876052
>>126876061
kind of grim numbers on their youtube content
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Anonymous No.126876073
>>126876058
do they call her bird in kimchiland as well or is that just a kpg thing?
don't know much about haseul except that one anon really likes her anus
Anonymous No.126876074 >>126876090 >>126876092
why do you guys hate MHJ so much? shes an autistic pedo just like you and even "dottiposts", maybe she even got all her ideas from here.
Anonymous No.126876076 >>126876080 >>126876084
Anonymous No.126876077 >>126876082
>>126876054
mommy
Anonymous No.126876080 >>126876091
>>126876076
sexo
Anonymous No.126876082 >>126876104
>>126876077
Anonymous No.126876083
>>126876071
it's still early days
Anonymous No.126876084 >>126876091
>>126876076
my expensive hotwife
Anonymous No.126876085 >>126876095
ryusissies lost
Anonymous No.126876086
Anonymous No.126876087
Is this roids?
Anonymous No.126876089
>>126876030
happy dotti day
Anonymous No.126876090
>>126876074
stop calling us names
i like mhj btw
being evil is cool
Anonymous No.126876091
>>126876080
>>126876084
Anonymous No.126876092
>>126876074
for a lot of people, words like nepotism and corruption (and many more) are master key words which get them to agree with anything and everything you say. that doesn't work on me, so i love mhj and her dottis.
Anonymous No.126876093
>>126876003
mongolian
Anonymous No.126876094
what we have learned is that newjeans is too evil to be in hybe
Anonymous No.126876095
>>126876085
what about armpits
Anonymous No.126876101
Anonymous No.126876102 >>126876119 >>126876295
Which one best describes Hanni & which one best describes Min Heejin?
Anonymous No.126876104 >>126876122 >>126876142
>>126876054
>>126876082
when i see her i feel a feeling of hopelessness and pointlessness. she will never be my wife so why even try in life
Anonymous No.126876105 >>126876112
>>126876003
ian is hideous
Anonymous No.126876108
sully sully sully sully sully
Anonymous No.126876112 >>126876140
>>126876105
do you dream about marrying hwasa?
Anonymous No.126876114 >>126876131
Sully
Anonymous No.126876117
my sexbot is malfunctioning
Anonymous No.126876118
Anonymous No.126876119 >>126876145
>>126876102
fuck off edinho you boring little monkey man
Anonymous No.126876120
Baby it was all a dream, you thought I was yours
Anonymous No.126876121
fat p
Anonymous No.126876122
>>126876104
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Anonymous No.126876129 >>126876149 >>126876218
Anonymous No.126876130 >>126876140
>>12687611
no i dream about marrying isa or park sohyun or j or karina
Anonymous No.126876131
>>126876114
wordito
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Anonymous No.126876136 >>126876147 >>126876156 >>126876186 >>126876206
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Anonymous No.126876140
>>126876130
for >>126876112
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Anonymous No.126876142
>>126876104
I also think about that daily but life goes on
Anonymous No.126876144 >>126876154
Licking Asa's sweaty pits
Anonymous No.126876145
>>126876119
? are you mad
Anonymous No.126876147 >>126876206
>>126876136
oh fuck.
Anonymous No.126876149
>>126876129
omg
Anonymous No.126876150
>i dream about marrying isa
same. kidnapping too
Anonymous No.126876151 >>126876164
according to muh dick, hanni is forgiven
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Anonymous No.126876154
>>126876144
she may not like it
Anonymous No.126876156 >>126876206
>>126876136
That's very impressive
Anonymous No.126876157
lol
Anonymous No.126876158 >>126876165 >>126876181 >>126876227
OMOOOOOOOOO
https://youtu.be/f_uscGBGQwA
https://youtu.be/f_uscGBGQwA
https://youtu.be/f_uscGBGQwA
Anonymous No.126876160 >>126876182
Anonymous No.126876162
>>126876012
unis did some
Anonymous No.126876164
>>126876151
based
Anonymous No.126876165
>>126876158
they are the way
Anonymous No.126876167
lmao
Anonymous No.126876170
Fix on
Anonymous No.126876174 >>126876221
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Anonymous No.126876181
>>126876158
finally getting the bikini concept we always wanted
Anonymous No.126876182
>>126876160
What did they mean by this
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Anonymous No.126876186 >>126876191 >>126876206
>>126876136
do you have more of these
Anonymous No.126876189
yuqi deep moans
Anonymous No.126876191 >>126876199 >>126876206
>>126876186
Anonymous No.126876194
chinks....
Anonymous No.126876199 >>126876204 >>126876206
>>126876191
this is very good
Anonymous No.126876200 >>126876231
Anonymous No.126876201 >>126876207
Anonymous No.126876204 >>126876206 >>126876217
>>126876199
Anonymous No.126876205 >>126876224 >>126876250
would you date a seagf?
Anonymous No.126876206 >>126876222
>>126876136
>>126876147
>>126876156
>>126876186
>>126876191
>>126876199
>>126876204
the absolute state of kpg
Anonymous No.126876207
>>126876201
RIP
Anonymous No.126876208
chimp just uploaded a video of another dog smelling shiro's dog cock on her main ig
Anonymous No.126876217
>>126876204
this one is a bit... off. the face isn't right
Anonymous No.126876218
>>126876129
she's too good for that group...
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Anonymous No.126876221 >>126876229
>>126876174
Uggo
Anonymous No.126876222
>>126876206
pajeet hours
things will only get worse in the future, AI slop championed by brown coomers will continue to infiltrate social media spaces until it's the only thing that is posted
Anonymous No.126876223 >>126876241
Anonymous No.126876224 >>126876256 >>126876257
>>126876205
sure but nini mogs
Anonymous No.126876227 >>126876244
>>126876158
everyone looking like sex and then there's jeongyeon
Anonymous No.126876229
>>126876221
You are a gay man.
Anonymous No.126876230 >>126876246 >>126876272
>tfw no bae gf
Anonymous No.126876231 >>126876239 >>126876247
>>126876200
is this one legal?
Anonymous No.126876233
kidnapping gaeul (softly)
Anonymous No.126876239 >>126876255
>>126876231
only in yemen
Anonymous No.126876241
>>126876223
Kya my adorable daughter
Anonymous No.126876242
Deep ass voice
Anonymous No.126876243 >>126876249 >>126876254
Is it funny to anyone else how much Youngseo looks like Kot? Fatman wasn't even subtle about it.
Anonymous No.126876244
>>126876227
i would have sex with jeongyeon quite happily
Anonymous No.126876246
>>126876230
at least we have jpegs and webms to keep us warm
Anonymous No.126876247
>>126876231
probably still in some countries
Anonymous No.126876249
>>126876243
i dont see it
maybe if you're faceblind
Anonymous No.126876250
>>126876205
only the thai royalty subtypes
Anonymous No.126876254
>>126876243
she's not even a discount version though
Anonymous No.126876255
>>126876239
wtf i love yemen now
Anonymous No.126876256 >>126876269
>>126876224
don't compare that chinlet to lisa
Anonymous No.126876257 >>126876269
>>126876224
lol
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Anonymous No.126876260
nasally ass plaps
Anonymous No.126876263 >>126876268 >>126876276 >>126876278
Anonymous No.126876265
no one comes close to kot
Anonymous No.126876268
>>126876263
I'll take jihyo
Anonymous No.126876269 >>126876281
>>126876256
>>126876257
samefagging
also nini had less ps
Anonymous No.126876272 >>126876287
>>126876230
I do hope you're satisfied with our product
Anonymous No.126876276 >>126876283
>>126876263
hooters jihyo
Anonymous No.126876278 >>126876292
>>126876263
they were so cute
Anonymous No.126876281
>>126876269
xD
Anonymous No.126876282
IGL Minju
AWP Wonhee
Riffler Moky
Riffler Yunah
Riffler Iroha
Anonymous No.126876283
>>126876276
it's CARBS jihyo
Anonymous No.126876287
>>126876272
INTERLINKED
Anonymous No.126876288 >>126876359
i seriously wouldn't mind if the gfriend girls showed up at my house and beat the shit out of me. like ripped me apart limb from limb
Anonymous No.126876290 >>126876319
why did the entire industry start wearing that I <3 ME design?
Anonymous No.126876292
>>126876278
idk why nayeon does it for me but she really really does
Anonymous No.126876295 >>126876311 >>126876369 >>126876449 >>126876464 >>126876471 >>126876498
>>126876102
Psychology is such a meme
What's wrong with being calculating? Why is it bad to be emotionally detached? Why is seeking control le bad? Should people aspire to be powerless? Why is it wrong to love yourself and crave admiration? Should I crave disgust or something?
Anonymous No.126876298 >>126876303 >>126876310
jihyo got some of the most tasteful plastic surgery ever in the history of kpop not even memeing
Anonymous No.126876301 >>126876305 >>126876318
Anonymous No.126876303
>>126876298
yep
Anonymous No.126876305
>>126876301
retard angel qt
Anonymous No.126876307 >>126876313 >>126876316 >>126876320 >>126876322 >>126876337 >>126876361
any ninibros
Anonymous No.126876309
I have a 24/7 live stream of my chicken coop that gets more views than kiiikiii content
Anonymous No.126876310 >>126876325
>>126876298
All she did was buccal
Anonymous No.126876311
>>126876295
the will to power is the only thing that matters
Anonymous No.126876313 >>126876331
>>126876307
No, please die.
Or at least just leave and never come back.
Anonymous No.126876316
>>126876307
repulsive
Anonymous No.126876318 >>126876332
>>126876301
she's eerily shiny. wony disaster waiting to happen?
Anonymous No.126876319 >>126876327
>>126876290
because you should love yourself because no one else will
Anonymous No.126876320
>>126876307
Fucking yikes she looks like a coked out abg
Anonymous No.126876322
>>126876307
lisa better
Anonymous No.126876324
who else is wearing it?
Anonymous No.126876325
>>126876310
it seems pretty pointless to me
she'll look haggard in 5 years
Anonymous No.126876327 >>126876346 >>126876387
>>126876319
>love yourself because no one else will
t. idols beloved by millions
Anonymous No.126876331 >>126876348
>>126876313
wtf
Anonymous No.126876332 >>126876374
>>126876318
yeah
none of the h2h girls are finishing high school but they are already on the botox train
sad state of affairs
Anonymous No.126876333 >>126876349
Anonymous No.126876334 >>126876344
Anonymous No.126876337
>>126876307
this is getting ridiculously bad
Anonymous No.126876344 >>126876347 >>126876357
>>126876334
jihyo's still got it but I wouldn't mind her eating more carbs
Anonymous No.126876346 >>126876355
>>126876327
>beloved
until they're 25-30. the other anon was right.
Anonymous No.126876347
>>126876344
oh i completely agree with you
Anonymous No.126876348
>>126876331
what will she do to me for $50?
Anonymous No.126876349
>>126876333
angel. goddess. girlfriend.
Anonymous No.126876353 >>126876368
my daughters
Anonymous No.126876354
after the war ian posters will rebuild. we are resilient. we are survivors. we know what it takes. and the guy in the discord with the Carmen avatar has an uncle that is a yid lawyer and he is really taking one for the team representing us for those edits we posted
Anonymous No.126876355
>>126876346
Oh no they ONLY get to be worshipped like gods during the best years of their lives and then retire rich to do whatever the fuck they want!
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Anonymous No.126876357
>>126876344
you can only eat so many crabs, anon.
Anonymous No.126876359
>>126876288
surprisingly interesting
Anonymous No.126876361 >>126876367 >>126876414
>>126876307
I wonder if this upcoming tour will be their last as a group
Anonymous No.126876365
>ian wears something and every other idol copies her

like pottery
Anonymous No.126876367
>>126876361
i hope they dont even make it as far as this tour
Anonymous No.126876368 >>126876401
>>126876353
ignore, marry
Anonymous No.126876369
>>126876295
is everything a meme to you?
Anonymous No.126876371 >>126876375 >>126876383 >>126876385 >>126876393
but i can't wear a i <3 k**s shirt?
Anonymous No.126876374
>>126876332
yuha and stella look good though, maybe they won't wreck themselves.
Anonymous No.126876375
>>126876371
please actually die, nonce
Anonymous No.126876383
>>126876371
why are you so weird
Anonymous No.126876385
>>126876371
you're not funny you're nauseating
Anonymous No.126876387 >>126876417
>>126876327
"beloved"
and i bet 90% of idols are borderline suicidal and living on a cocktail of meds
Anonymous No.126876390 >>126876405 >>126876408 >>126876410
ex day-6 member eaJ

>"This was me in Korea. It was painful to go to fan-related events. I heard from the producers during the second comeback that I shouldn't get any lines. At every fan event, I was reminded to some extent that I didn't belong there. It took some time to get used to it, but eventually I did. Iโ€™m forever grateful to those who showed me love, not only from overseas but also some Korean fans. I still remember the short conversations we shared over the years. So when you meet the group you like, please (love) everyone"
Anonymous No.126876393
>>126876371
I mean this with the utmost sincerity; I hope you die very soon.
Anonymous No.126876394
kill all pedos except maybe don't kill them right away because that's far too merciful
Anonymous No.126876398
yea
Anonymous No.126876401
>>126876368
it's a 2 in 1 package
Anonymous No.126876402
Anonymous No.126876404
why are bp seethers so cringe? chillax, lil bros.
Anonymous No.126876405
>>126876390
KWAB
Anonymous No.126876406 >>126876419
nice samefag
Anonymous No.126876408
>>126876390
isnt this fag a twitch streamer now?
theres a reason why i guess
Anonymous No.126876410
>>126876390
he was literally the most popular in hsi group despite constant controversies
why is he capping like this
Anonymous No.126876412
Anonymous No.126876414 >>126876429
>>126876361
I wonder if they'll be sluttier than on their last tour
Anonymous No.126876417 >>126876428
>>126876387
bullshit, these type of professions are ground for insecurity but all idols have dedicated fans and there are a lot of cases now where bullied and "unliked" idols regain a lot of confidence later on, i think these companies are getting better at training and taking care of them mentally these days. they autistically care about perfecting every bracket of the industry and formula.
Anonymous No.126876419
>>126876406
i can just picture you fat greasy fingers rubbing your teary eyes before this post was made
Anonymous No.126876420
is white woman the concept for ifeye's comeback wtf
Anonymous No.126876423
Anonymous No.126876428 >>126876459
>>126876417
haha
i don't think so
maybe only the tier 1 groups from the big labels
Anonymous No.126876429 >>126876451
>>126876414
leave.
Anonymous No.126876432 >>126876470
Anonymous No.126876435 >>126876443
whomst doth we thinketh hath the most breathtakingly beautiful face in h2h?
Anonymous No.126876436
wtf i saw haneuls belly and im gGoNNNA ccCccoooooOooooM
Anonymous No.126876443
>>126876435
a-na
Anonymous No.126876444
the frog
Anonymous No.126876445
Anonymous No.126876449
>>126876295
they're just personality traits that analyze people's behavior but dark triad traits like in the pic are correlated with bad business like criminality
i think modern definitions of psychological disorders are drawn up around behaviors that end up being harmful to the person or people around them or their satisfaction with life
Anonymous No.126876451
>>126876429
make me bitch
Anonymous No.126876454
bring back sovl
Anonymous No.126876455 >>126876465
I am so fucking horny
Anonymous No.126876459 >>126876472
>>126876428
nugus have more freedom
they're still grown ass women with minds of their own, you watch too many lowbrow "the secret dark side of korea" slop on youtube.
Anonymous No.126876462
>>126875831 (OP)
Seexxxxxxx
finally some good fucking food
Anonymous No.126876464
>>126876295
jesus you sound like a faggot
Anonymous No.126876465
>>126876455
hi
Anonymous No.126876466
my wife mina is about to get molested
Anonymous No.126876468
jiwoo and yuha
Anonymous No.126876469
Anonymous No.126876470 >>126876480
>>126876432
white tuna
Anonymous No.126876471
>>126876295
what's wrong with kicking your edgy ass?
Anonymous No.126876472
>>126876459
>koreans
>minds of their own
Anonymous No.126876475 >>126876483
iangel mogs goblaerin kotuggo zica head dooby honest
Anonymous No.126876476
how come you guys dont post kiiikiii as much as h2h now
Anonymous No.126876480
>>126876470
she needs to start a band with this name after the disbandment
Anonymous No.126876481
ahy mogs all
Anonymous No.126876482 >>126876499
the twice ahjummas need to retire already
Anonymous No.126876483
>>126876475
lol
Anonymous No.126876484
naky
Anonymous No.126876486
<3
Anonymous No.126876490
as if you needed more proof they're botposting
Anonymous No.126876492
frog posters run kpg

by a lot too
Anonymous No.126876493 >>126876512
bad bidness mentioned
Anonymous No.126876496
jiwooooo
Anonymous No.126876498
>>126876295
those qualities make the person a dick to deal with for one
Anonymous No.126876499
>>126876482
nonce
Anonymous No.126876500
>>126876497
Anonymous No.126876512
>>126876493
mafia ties going back to the old world