If Discharge sounded exactly the same but the lyrics were about Satan, they'd be considered a first-wave black metal band.

If your mom was your dad, you'd be poo.

>>126898362 (OP)
nah, the d-beat makes it explicitly punk

>>126898404
Wouldn't the D-beat sound be more associated with metal than with punk in this timeline though? Considering they invented it & all.

>>126898437
>why isn't the band that invented the d-beat rhythm metal?
wtf are you talking about anon

>>126898362 (OP)
At least one first wave Black Metal band (Sodom) was influenced by Discharge, as was every emerging extreme metal band around that time. If you count Sepultra - Morbid Visions as first wave BM then them too. So it kind of makes sense.

>>126898469
LoL do you even know what d-beat stands for? If metal bands of the era all played it, it would be considered metal

For me? its discharge influenced death metal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvTwEXUW7K4

>>126899140
>if my grandma had wheels, she'd be a bike

>>126898404
Dude, OSDM has d-beats

>>126898362 (OP)
What about Siege and Amebix

>>126898362 (OP)
black metal doesnt have D-beats you retard

he's right, you know. Harsher vocals and it sounds exactly like Mayhem's Deathcrush

They were ahead of everyone else
https://youtu.be/VlioJzfrh9o?si=iYG1ToYBGV5uBTv4

>Discharge paved the way for various extreme metal styles such as thrash metal, black metal, crust punk and grindcore. The band's "brutal, extremist approach" and "extreme thrash noise" style of playing eventually led to the thrash genre.[5] "Discharge's influence on heavy metal is incalculable and metal superstars such as Metallica, Anthrax, Machine Head, Sepultura, Soulfly, Prong and Arch Enemy have covered Discharge's songs in tribute."[6] Discharge was a major influence on at least two generations of metal.[1]

Jesus christ you autists, no one is saying that Discharge ARE metal they are saying they were very INFLUENTIAL on metal. Whenever people complain about how elitist and anal metalheads are I just point them to punk fans

>>126899290
explain the musical differences between early proto black metal and Discharge. i'll wait

>>126901135
>proto black uses more tremolo, discharge doesn't really
>discharge doesn't really use blast beats, they use the d-beat obviously
>proto black has more varied riff arrangements than the standard A-B A-B chords/A-B-C A-B-C chords arrangement that discharge relies on
>proto black doesn't use yelled vocals

>>126898362 (OP)
I've made this same argument the other way around.
Hellhammer's Satanic Rites is considered a first-wave black metal classic when it literally just sounds identical to crust punk.

Hell, crust punk bands like Amebix and G.I.S.M. have stronger metal riffing than Hellhammer did.

>>126901557
and by A-B chords i mean any one chord followed by any other chord, not the musical A/B chords

The wall between early extreme metal and d-beat/crust punk really starts to break down and makes no sense and half of the time it feels like the genre labels just describe what scene the band associated with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLmQRflW-Cs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ud41hOUH3Y

>>126901557
proto black metal didn't use blast beats either.

>>126901582
>crust punk bands like Amebix and G.I.S.M.
You pick the finest cherries.

>>126901557
proto black metal doesn't use blast beats
d-beat isn't that dissimilar to the fast rock beat used in PBM, and they were both inspired by punk
varied riff arrangements i'll give you
the harsh vocals employed by Discharge would also go on to be employed in Black Metal making the point in favor of my argument

>>126901685
Can it really be considered cherrypicking when crust punk at its inception was taking what Motorhead and Venom were doing but applying it to hardcore punk?

Antisect, Axegrinder, and Hellbastard were all doing crust punk with very speed metal/thrash metal riffs that went further than Hellhammer on the riff department but Hellhammer's considered metal solely because of the scene they associated with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly38lbAvaZ4

>>126901733
what black metal band has vocals like discharge?

>>126901753
this is straight up thrash metal

Second album is better

>>126901790
You know what, actually? I agree that it's basically just thrash metal. In the 80s though nobody considered it thrash metal and even calling it metal was heresy.
It's just further proof that the walls between extreme metal and hardcore punk barely made sense in the 80s.

Semi-related tangent but the closest thing to Voivod before Voivod was a hardcore punk band in spite of Voivod being a prog/thrash metal band.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDdlX80dgYI

If you want to hear a real mindfuck here's some d-beat power metal hybrid abomination from 1985, with a goregrind album cover a decade before goregrind album covers were cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jUslT2dfYA

>>126901818
>and even calling it metal was heresy
not really. people used to call gbh metal.

>>126901875
I forgot the single version of this was a bit different from the album version, and Yoshiki was a big fan of Charged GBH so it would stand to reason he probably also liked Discharge.

>>126901776
i just mean that Discharge employed harsh vocals for it's time and that carried on and developed further in Black Metal and other metal subgenres

>>126901989
i don't think that's a good point.

>>126901753
holy shit, this fucks.

>>126901996
i mean if the artists themselves saying that Discharge was an influence isn't enough for you then you'll just never admit that it's true so whatever

>>126902011
influence on the vocals?

>>126902020
lol you're grasping at straws bro

>>126901753
zoomers call metallic crust like this stenchcore now

>>126902590
>zoomers
>metallic crust (crust punk, the genre that's already metallic)
>now

>>126902623
stenchcore was the original name for crust punk that fell out of use in place for crust punk and was a dead term throughout the late 80s, 90s, 2000s, etc.

stenchcore only saw a resurgence in the last 5-10 years because of RYM autists recycling the term to refer to heavier crust bands that lean more metal than punk
people used to just say metallic crust 20 years ago

>>126898362 (OP)
It's black metal.
>>126901582
It's punk.

>>126901753
Hot damn I need to explore punk more.

>>126903330
Some of it really was far ahead of what contemporary metal bands were doing at the time.
1983-1984ish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryrQ7QSg9OI

>>126903330
I can't vouch for Axegrinder, but absolutely. Don't let modern punk's hall monitor wimpery scare you from great music.

>>126898362 (OP)
>punk riffs
>"muddy" punk production
>vocals shouted and not shrieked
Nah

>>126901875
Wow I've never heard that before, I'm addicted to this era
https://youtu.be/fseEwEUUGvc?si=5JPOlyRwCmOzlEmj

>>126903403
Great song, shame the only way you can hear it is by youtube

>>126898362 (OP)
You just described VENOM

>>126898404
Discharge INVENTED "D-Beat".
In fact, it used to be called "Dis-Core", before it was D-Beat.

>>126898437
Actually, they didn't.
A band out of Belgium, calld BLAST invented it back in the early 70s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYCUIeyfEy0

>>126905475
oh no it's some retard that found a rare thing nobody listened to and wants to claim it has something to do with something unrelated.

Yeah, no.

>>126898789
Sodom might've been influenced by Discharge, but Venom were around in 1978 whie Sodom started in 1982

>>126905539
Ah....... YOUBLOWGOATS

>>126899574
Amebix either sounds like Illing Joke with a bad lead singer....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCk-aCzVR_U&list=RDLCk-aCzVR_U&start_radio=1
Or they sound like Black Sabbath with Kronos from Venom on vocals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QzdubnPPCo&list=RD2QzdubnPPCo&start_radio=1

>>126899678
>Discharge aren't metal
Uh, Anon....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he1tq6hn5oA&list=RDhe1tq6hn5oA&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hiNYHQkm0A&list=RD3hiNYHQkm0A&start_radio=1

>>126905625
>they sound like Black Sabbath with Kronos from Venom on vocals
[literal coolest thing ever]