Thread 126899895

Jazz Radio Charts: https://www.jazzweek.com/charts/

Randomized Christgau Jazz album recs: https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_regl.php?l=jz&r=1

Previous thread: https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/126854686/#126854686

Thought I'd make a sticky, had no idea what to add though. What do y'all think should be in a jazz general sticky

>>126899907
my vomit

I recommend: the don shirley point of view
piano + cello + double bass

>>126899917
ive watched the green book but i havent really listened to his music

>>126899913
Is that like a column or something

>>126899907
don't

Mary Halvorson is very good

>>126899953
its whatever was inside my stomach at the time

>>126899895 (OP)
I prefer the Fillmore East concert because it's got Wayne.

>>126899907
There was a pretty good argument in one of these about whether the piano or guitar was more phallic so idk penis instrument chart?

>>126899993
I just downloaded her recent About Ghosts album. looking forward to see how immanuel wilkins gels

>christgau in a jazz sticky
okay, tourist

>>126899895 (OP)
>>126900017
>70s miles
jazz tourists

Have been getting into Chick Corea. This album was excellent, but I prefer the self-titled just a little bit more.

>>126902901
Now try some of his actually good records.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv17XvAoLQc

>>126902999
Shut up faggot

>>126902459
are you saying that because its fusion

Is the sidewinder really better? Can it really come close?

>>126904250
Yes, these apes are afraid of electricity

>>126905445
I don't know but the title track is the best thing he ever did, I wish he and Grant had done more of that kind of airy post bop

finna bump

>>126906898
He did a lot of post-bop work, but blue note shelved most of it during his lifetime because they wanted to squeeze another sidewinder out of him.

>>126909365
Are there any good archical releases? I'm only familiar with his 60s output

>The Penguin Guide to Jazzdescribed the original recording as "a glorious 24-bar theme as sinuous and stinging as the beast of the title. It was both the best and worst thing that was ever to happen to Morgan before the awful events of 19 February 1972", a reference to the date of Morgan's murder.

"Man the sidewinder was really good, shame he got fucking murdered huh?"

>>126909711
This one is sick.

>>126909811
>>126909711
Also this one.

>>126909711
Infinity is good

>"I Called Him Morgancasts Helen (the "I" in the film's title) not as a coldblooded killer, but as a sympathetic and relatable one. She rescued Lee Morgan from a rock-bottom heroin addiction, clothed him, fed him, housed him, and bought back his trumpet, which he had pawned for drug money. She found him work when no one wanted to hire him, and made sure he showed up to his gigs. She even carried his trumpet for him. By centering on Helen, the film has a feminist streak, a badly needed course corrective for a musical genre whose histories overwhelmingly stem from the perspective of men worshipping at the altar of other men.
>Helen's murder of Lee, the film implies, was a morally ambiguous crime of passion, a knee-jerk collection on a vast and unrepayable debt.
Chauvinist Lee Morgan and his search for a new ambulance vs Helen Morgan the feminist sidewinder

Man, I wish Horace Silver did more trio albums during the 50's.

When it comes to Lee Morgan, for me, it’s the cooker.

>>126911065
let him cook

>>126899895 (OP)
>#1: Rhythm, Melody and Harmony
oh its the GOOD SHIT

>>126913433
why is soprano sax not in the top tier

>>126914281
Semicurved is 100% phallic but the one in the pic is straight, it has too many bops and pins sticking out for it to be trully phallic

>>126913433
Very good I just now realized bongo drums are very nutlike
Truly the balls of the drum family

Where does one go after Jazz, or is that the final end boss of music?

>>126913433
imagine sitting down and typing all this. pure mental illness.

>>126915354
Historically it went jazz>jazz fusion>madness and desperation so mahavishnu orchestra or return to forever and then start smoking salvia and getting into gnosticism ig

>>126909842
something about this album cover rocks (or jazzes)

>>126915354
>the final end boss of music
no such thing

>>126899895 (OP)
going through some early Fela
it's just ok, i think his later stuff was better

I like this record quite a lot. Very cool.

>>126917286
I don’t like his early stuff too much, but at some point later on Holland became the fucking GOAT

>>126915354
onkyo, hnw, sound art, contemporary classical, etc.

>>126918777
All that shit is an involution of what jazz accomplished

>>126917286
I'll check that out, Dave Holland is one of my favs.

>>126915388
I didn't type it, besides, look around you.

>>126919103
filtered

>>126917286
>solo bass

>>126920785
This lol, I play bass and even I wouldn't want to sit through that kind of shit.

This album feels like an engineer heard "it sounds good but the bass is too quiet in the mix" one too many times

>>126920785
>>126920903
Filtered, one of the best instruments solo.

>>126920785
>>126920903

>>126920785
>>126920903
you're both fags

>>126924134
Absolutely not, get real.
>>126924984
Bass guitar is better, but still shit.
>>126925873
No u

Dynamic playing, excellent grooves, no pretension.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdHcTWSteHY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD5nHtltdN0

>>126926803
>guitar
>no pretension

How come jazz never transitioned into the electronic age like all other music? Shouldn't there be all kind of crazy jazz made on computers with sampling and shit like that. It's still just black people tooting horns. The genre never advanced.

>>126926935
There's been plenty of that actually. Thankfully it was a fad and went away.

>>126899895 (OP)
>>126902459
Late 1960s - early 1970s electric Miles group compositions were changing so rapidly you have to be grateful that so many of them have been documented in some form.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWruWfh3xC8

>>126926935
>It's still just black people tooting horns
Nigger it's people of all races tooting their horns and displaying their mastery of the instrument or of composition.

>>126926935
>the genre never advanced
it did, you just care about gimmicks instead of fundamentals like harmony and rhythm. besides, one vibraphone has more sovl than all DAWs combined.

https://www.freejazzblog.org/
https://pointofdeparture.org/

Any other actively updated resources for new music? I've been away from the game for over five years at this point.

>>126920785
>solo bass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dFWHbWyc2A

>>126926935
I asked a jazz friend something like this ages ago and they told me jazz fusion normally fuses with black genres. Accepted this and never questioned it

>>126927157
Electronic music IS a black genre thougheverbeit
>>126927121
Awful. Anything smaller than a duo doesn't work for bass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3uyWbDXGWI

t. bassist

>>126927030
i use the watchlist feature on discogs and follow a bunch of artists and labels. Some labels also have their own mailing list
Clean Feed, Intakt, Pi, and Rogueart might be up your alley

>>126926935
>Shouldn't there be all kind of crazy jazz made on computers with sampling and shit like that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-slybAcCQE

Is it jazz? Don't think so. It's experimental music. But what disqualifies it as jazz?

>>126926935
It doesn't jive well with the improvised nature of jazz
Nu-Jazz is close enough to what you're describing, but I'm not into it

>>126926935
>he hasn't listened to that musique concrete record Freddie Hubbard made
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF2O43KL4b4

The best
>unless you understand God and scripture you have no clue about Coltrane or Ayler and you should re-evaluate your life
core out there?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1IAgXVXr10

>>126927336
Cringe tourist shit you mean?

>>126927343
Don't practice Giant Steps. Read the Bible.

More pared down cool avant-garde jazz out there? This particular sound never got anywhere and I don't think it's been emulated since.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9riM3qsQ9k

In the mood for some Tranquility (TM)

>>126928214
Man why he put the sax in the cuck chair

>>126926935
>Shouldn't there be all kind of crazy jazz made on computers with sampling and shit like that.
it did and sounded fucking terrible

What are the sexiest jazz album covers?

>>126927465
its free improv? they literally quoting "so what" at one point

really nice and understated playing on this one.

>>126928214
Did they intentionally tint this to try and make him look black?

>>126929441
Nippies

>>126929441
This one's a classic

>>126932542
>>126932564
sex.

Came across this album by Pete Rugolo, never heard of him before. Any of you guys know it? I liked it.
https://youtu.be/r4zP2C0MfZo?si=SdyH152WVQDWFPtp

>>126929441
Venus Records specializes in coomer covers

>>126927273
this

>>126928214
Me too

>He also tells of a separate moment in his career when black jazz musicianOrnette Coleman approached him backstage, and "said something like 'Man, you've got to be Black. You just have to be black.'"Jarrett replied "I know. I know. I'm working on it."
Why did he quit working on it?

>>126926332
>Bass guitar is better,
Saying this should get you banned from this general for a month at least.

>>126926935
Except it did.

Zawinul
Hancock
Corea.

Check their work.

>>126938457
Very specifically for solo play that is.

Red Garland appreciation post.
I love this little nigga like you wouldn't believe, his playing may not be as intense or as free as other more out there pianists, but when I need good music he's always one of my top picks.
https://youtu.be/QN5FIsvhX94?si=utsalnRaTv5Gfz-t

>>126938513
he said electronic, not electric

>>126940321
My nigga, I just bought a five-CD set of his trio recordings

Rarely groundbreaking but always reliable

>>126941439
Sweet, dude, enjoy those CDs.

hes good but holy shit so are a lot of the people he played with

>>126935752
She's so fucking hot it's unfair

Any cool jazz recommendations?
Or something similar to In a silent way?

>>126945586
Cool jazz and In a Silent Way are completely different things, what exactly are you looking for?

>>126945648
Who said they are similar?
Those are two different things im asking for

Where to download rare jazz?

I'm looking for Melo Perquana by Atila Engin and can't find it anywhere (not on soulseek etc.)

>>126945766
Buy a cd chud

>>126944560
I'm listening to this for the first time, it's really good.

>>126945586
This album: >>126928214 is pretty good. Chet Baker's quartet with Russ Freeman is also great for starters.

Hey, you motherfuckers, post your favorite jazz drummers.

>>126947656
roy haynes, rip

>>126944560
thats jazz, baby

>>126947656
I hate these kinds of questions, just like with other instruments, contemporary players are overall better in terms of ability, but they're quite often lacking in terms of presence and swagger.

>>126947858
I hate these types of answers

>>126947656
Listened to art blakeys buhainas delight yesterday and his drum solo on bus delight was knocking shit off my walls
https://youtu.be/-hwyGcEzlkc?si=Up524uhB16MDBmig

>>126947858
Just post your fav, asshole

>>126945117
Yeah I know.

>>126948132
i barely pay attention to who is playing the drums, if they are good i wont notice them. unless they are pete la roca playing with andrew hill and joe henderson thinking he can play the craziest shit he can come up with without getting fired

>>126947656
Weckl, Nick Menza.

>>126948538
>if they are good i wont notice them
pop/rock logic

>>126947858
if you don't have an answer you can just not post next time

>>126948582
albert heath plays so well on this that it made me check who was playing drums. i dont know if that praise means anything coming from someone who tends to not pay much attention to who is playing the drums on a recording.

>>126948825
Acceptable answer and album pick, kudos.

>>126948825
>guitar fan can't into drums
wow shocking

>literal retard can't into guitar
shocking indeed

>>126951474
i used to play. piano is better. cope and mald.

>>126948033
Same.
>>126948132
>>126948733
It'd have to be like a top 5 realistically, and even that is subject to constant revision.

>>126951493
Ok faggot

>>126951810
ok literal retard

>>126947656
Milford Graves and Ed Blackwell.

>>126948825
>jazz guitar
not actual jazz
also that album is a contender for the worst sounding jazz album from the 50s

>>126951842
>>126952031
Kill yourselves

>>126952210
nah

>>126952031
>Um ackshually because it's not from the Jázz region of France it's just sparkling pop
Laughing about you

Seethe all you want, but Wynton was 100% right here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Nm0wv0Q-7U

>>126952384
it's a great explanation and definition, but why should this be the only definition?

>>126952465
Because we need a definition to communicate effectively with one another. This one is broad enough to encompass virtually all historical styles of jazz, while still delimiting jazz with three simple criterion.

>>126946949
this but unironically
we must retvrn to digging

>>126926935
https://youtu.be/EEmK4NaRXo8?list=RDEEmK4NaRXo8

Enjoy.

GOODNIGHT /JAZZ/

Gonna get myself another Kenny Burrell album to spite this fag >>126952031

I need that smokey, sleepy kind of jazz sound that imbibes a late night at the bar or sitting in a comfy chair looking out at the city lights(besides night lights, of course)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiNyBAMi1wY

>>126955624
https://youtu.be/6j2pF3X-UpA?si=QJZbsk9_Iz4msRPM

The cd version of this has some big band tracks at the end and Wayne shorter steals the show. Didn't really go in for the Beatles cover though that was a weird choice.

>>126958548
>Didn't really go in for the Beatles cover though that was a weird choice.
Shameless bid for radio play. Blue Note was desperate to get another hit out of Lee.

>>126899895 (OP)
imagining a guy who builds their understanding of what the critically acclaimed classics of jazz are by reading Christgau's jazz album recs

It's amazing how soulless Wayne Shorter became after switching to soprano. It kinda works for a fusion band but his playing on the later post bop stuff is almost unbearable.

>>126958887
To be honest I love those records. I guess it's mostly because Perez/Patitucci/Blade are a fucking solid trio, but I think Shorter's much more spacious playing is interesting too.

>>126956061
kek

>>126952620
YOU need the definition, I don't need jackshit

>>126958887
the pop/rock crowd loves soprano

>>126955624
I think this song kinda sucks but 4chan loves it apparently so here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMnrl0tmd3k

>>126959197
?

>>126952620
His definition is too broad, some shitty rap jazz or nu jazz can still sneak its way in

>>126959412
obvious shitty soulless AI slop

>>126959468
Jazz: if you hit jamiroquai, you've gone too far!

>>126958852
Ya happen to know any good jazz critics

The anti-guitar fag is the most based /jazz/ poster.

>>126938523
I understood what you meant, i just vehemently disagree with it.

I like jazz. All of it. And by all of it I mean exclusively Frank Sinatra.

>>126958852
Penguinchads, assemble!

>>126965178
mogged

>>126963627
samefag

>ethiopian "jazz"
>it's just lofi electro funk

>>126966751
examples?

the bumper

>>126961389
kek did he actually say this in the show?

>>126970027
No the only jazz joke family guy has ever made is Brian puts on his playlist one day and his siri calls him out for having a bunch of favorites he's never listened to. Not once. That and that time Brian said Coltrane should've stayed on heroin.
American dad is the cartoon that loves jazz

Spiritual Jazz is the best
I love transcendental music so much bros

>>126963627
trust me there's more than just one of us

>>126964411
stunning and brave

>>126971798
grim

>>126971822
stunningly and bravely grim

>>126970818
yes

>>126971798
>>126971822
>>126973243
its more tolerable than the anti bebop grandstander from last year. Wonder what the next phase will be

>>126973966
Anti-everything after 1920

>>126973966
>Wonder what the next phase will be
Good threads for once would be a nice change

>>126973966
/prog/ is having the same problem. Every few weeks it's a new schizo or mass of schizos pushing a new seething obsession.

courtesy bump

How long can you last?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRM4ZcNAjZ4

>>126974751
i've listened to the whole album in one sitting before. i still think live in japan is way more intense

>>126974751
I live for this shit

>>126963627
Anti-guitar niggers are the boyband posters of /jazz/

>>126974249
Kek

>>126932564
is this one actually good? don't think i've heard chet play with pepper before

>>126936402
he's saying that keith is so good at improvising that he must be part black in terms of ancestry. when keith said "I'm working on it" he means figuring out if any such lineage exists

>>126976165
He also tried as hard as he could to look like a black guy in the 70s

>>126976127
>is this one actually good?
IMO it is, it's not a modern jazz masterpiece or anything but it swings and bops well enough (picrel is just the same album rereleased under a different name)

>>126976652
carl perkins too? sheeeeeeeeeet

>>126974751
I love late era Trane but it's not exactly comfort listening. You have to be in the mood for it.

>>126977440
>album cover not a picture of artist(s)
Oh yeah, you just know you're about to strap in for some shitty unlistenable rockist garbage.

>>126977458
good heuristic right there. that album doesn't even list the lineup on the front

>>126977533
It almost never fails.

>>126977440
Well this certainly is an interesting fella anon thanks for the rec.

>Dingulators aresteel-string acoustic guitarshaving typically seven or eight and sometimes up to 21strings. They havefriction pegsand raisedfretslike those on asitar. Tuning a dingulator is "variable, organic and evolving." According to Nothing, "the ideal would be to never tune them, to just find where they are going and go with it ... but sometimes I do mak adjustments."[6]Nothing, a skilledartisanandwelder, used old cars as his material because "cars have the right kind of steel ... [they've] got very soulful steel." Nothing was also making a political statement with his artistic recycling. "It's a sword-to-plowshare kind of thing," he said. "Cars to guitars"

I'm an ellington virgin (more of an album person and his works seems more like how classical artists distributed) but this sounds nice

>>126977458
Apparently he drew it himself but I agree he should've included a picture of himself. Preferably this one

>>126978262
>more of an album person
Not jazz.

Also, the album format was LITERALLY invented for classical music.

>>126978270
Needlessly pedantic response might I suggest >>>https://www.reddit.com/

>>126905445
no and i dont know why people say that (it is most likely due to the owner of roulette records promoting it hard because he owned lee's contract)
this album didnt even do bad commercially and it even made it on the rnb charts

>>126910040
the funny part is that since this film is from the perspective of helen it loses a lot of the nuances that come from other perspectives namely his biographers that look at things holistically
in reality lee was just another hustle for helen and when she saw that her hustle was about to drop her for another woman she shot him
the film doesnt even mention his real wife and helen was never his "common law wife" because that was never a thing in new york

>>126958548
whats funny is that (from what i gather) lee actually wanted the whole album to be big band but blue note didnt think that would sell so they made him record the other tracks

>>126978366
They were right, anything larger than an octet generally results in duller music.

Bump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaDsMqXKbGM

"Mulligan meets Monk".
Very unexpected team-up, but it works out surprisingly well. Their version of Sweet and Lovely is really good.

>>126981385
it was a cynical and calculated attempt to make monk sell some records by teaming him up with a basic pretty white boy with commercial appeal at a time when the record buying public hadnt fully come around to accept monk yet.

>>126981505
>basic pretty white boy
But Chet Baker's nowhere in this album

>>126981505
>teaming him up with a basic pretty white boy with commercial appeal
yeah and thats a good thing

>>126981533
sussy west coast players sometimes have their moments, what are some of mulligans better ones?

>>126981584
>what are some of mulligans better ones?
Paris Concert is peak Mulligan IMHO

>>126977440
>saxophone equals jazz

>>126976652
Oh well then I've already heard it then if that's the case.

rec me post-bop

>>126984568
Check out Mingus' Pithecanthropus Erectus

>>126955624
people will rightfully assume you're a fedora enthusiast who watches too many japanese bartender asmr videos, but i think i have what you need

bill evans trio - my foolish heart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpVXH3Vm2wg

wes montgomery - polka dots and moonbeams
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7Mv6TW-xP8

herb ellis & remo palmier - danny boy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReLdH11j6Nw

chet baker - september song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzLldQDVhsg

don rendell / ian carr quintet - shades of blue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv1DBDAGrd0

kenny dorham - alone together
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMTlthu5V0g

sonny rollins - where are you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZBq6h-ufLE

ben webster meets oscar peterson - in the wee small hours of the morning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxkmkLbBRz4

bill evans & jim hall - skating in central park
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGF7873UxTw

mccoy tyner - when sunny gets blue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frYLvC0mM50

lester young with the oscar peterson trio - there will never be another you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsekKA-_FNw

stan getz and bob brookmeyer - a nightingale sang in berkely square
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL6wcZ2B784

art pepper - you go to my head
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_GKINWJi5M

dexter gordon - i'm a fool to want you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN6li_-aGnA

gerry mulligan quartet with bob brookmeyer - the nearness of you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqkKNR0LY48

paul desmond - emily
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uBNeUw9_gI

red norvo sextet - the night is blue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EhVlHG7gzU

art pepper - here's that rainy day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhg0vK1cqWw

>>126984775
just tell him to check some random youtube playlist of jazz ballads, it's not that hard

>>126955624
pretty much any lester young or paul gonsalves ballad
https://youtube.com/watch?v=UDKAWAmIdNU
https://youtube.com/watch?v=eei4IN9sf1I

>>126984568
maybe you want a deeper cut than this but ive spent a lot of time listening to this the last few months. philly joe jones playing is fantasticl, theres a little bit of edge to many of the solos but they keep it fairly tasteful, only hinting at free jazz

also ive brought up this album many times before but is there anything else like this where they are playing decently freaking out there but the music is so easy to follow because the rhythm section is really locked in and always there to guide you? this is the greatest thing ive heard in the cross section between post bop and free jazz

bump

>>126899895 (OP)
wooooooow

Got these in today's mail

Already listened to the top one, a fun assortment of rarities including two Monk covers and a six-minute blues shitpost

LIVE, DAMN YOU

Jazz, real coffee genre

Listening To: Wayne Shorter - Footprints
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"If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is NOT for you!" - Mahatma Gandhi

>>126987327
Pretty based

I'm relatively new to jazz and I'm listening to Alice Coltrane from the beginning, her music is fantastic

Just today listened to this masterpiece, I'm digging her big band stuff much more than solo Pastorius albums

https://youtu.be/PUHEuBge5z8

song that youtube just recd me is incredible

Yo guys rec me a jazz song thats so loud and so good you feel like you'll go crazy

>>126978385
agreed

>>126978385
>>126992279
cringe
big band is kino

>>126988497
thanks for the update, reddit bot

>>126992310
it's not bad for pop music i guess

>>126992054
i dont know what you mean by loud. like shrieking free jazz sounds?

good thread, keep it up

https://youtu.be/ZcXmSGEIAZI

https://youtu.be/OELOHX5sKbg

I'm starting to love more stuff like this, any recs?

Listen to Charles Lloyd and Billy Harper

>>126992878
Weak bait. You know progressive big band is a thing.

>>126996270
most big band isn't progressive and even then it doesn't sound nearly as "proggy" as a miles davis 2nd quintet album

>New Yorkmagazine wrote: "Joe Pass looks like somebody's uncle and plays guitar like nobody's business"

Really enjoying for django, it's wild how so many jazz guitarists have 3 letters names
Joe pass
Wes Montgomery
Jim hall
Gnt green

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nXu0w6bzWARf75qWSmb9OQkbv2j60r1A8&si=C8W8UZ-_taLr4nmE

wife bump

https://youtu.be/9Scd9WGDZog?si=7VG495AqHkmzHhGe
Best Louis Armstrong record comin' thru'

>>126996285
progressive compared to what?

Could anyone explain modal jazz to someone who can't read music

>>126998382
Non-functional harmony.

>>126998382
the head is simplified to allow more freedom

>>126998893
This is completely wrong.

I was going to buy a Thelonious Monk album. I've heard most of his standards, are there any lesser heard recordings I should try? Thanks.

>>126998382
improvisation is built around modulations instead of chord changes

>>126998382
It's the jazz equivalent of a pentatonic blues.

>>126997975
to regular big band, what else, little einstein

>>127004189
So, something that music theory nerds pretend to turn their nose up at but actually has more SOVL than they could ever hope to produce themselves?

>>127004385
not quite since lots of theory dorks love modal jazz

>>126998382
Best video I've ever seen on the subject and I've seen a few

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb0EFwzXIEo

>>127004385
You're ball park. If the blues players don't ever move off of E why should they?

>>126992435
Fuck you. Arsehole nigger.

Listening To: Miles Davis - Great Expectations (Bitches Brew Sessions)
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"Fighting Japs, one cracked molar at a time!" - Keith Higgs, Royal New Zealand Dental Corps

How do I notate a note playing whilst the preceding notes are still sounding? Played during not after. Thanks. On a stave. Thanks.

How do I become a jazz bassist? I started last year and the only jazz song I know it's bitches brew.

>>127004979
>How do I become a jazz bassist?
By playing jazz on a bass.

>>126994794
None of you into this early stuff?

>>127005203
Sorry I have a perhaps irrational fear of pressing play on a youtube video shared on 4Chan but 1920s you say? I know the sort of thing you mean, I'd have to consult with another human being to help you out further. We did have a book on the early history of jazz. Hang on. There's 'Jazz : A history of America's music' by Ward and Burns or The history of Jazz by Ted Gioia which you might find instructional. We did have some original sheet music from back then, I thought. As far as stuff goes, I'm more into music.

>>127004979
You're probably gong to need a music teacher or instructor at some point, teaching yourself to play jazz is no mean feat (very difficult).

>>127004964
I think there is a symbol to notate 'let sound' which might be what you need.

I've the beginning of a new composition, it's playing quite well, it's a simple little thing. It only needs a B section and a melody and I'll not finish the rest of this sentence.

>>127004964
Either ties or just simply write a comment.

Who up winding they sides

>>127004345
then you are wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hSezaFqXc8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvUY_rCV8iM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQBeVdymxXk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqgYaICZGtc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul3yxLadliY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpBewRmzETg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHtG4pUJY2A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cwnLK-9h2M

>>127005203
im into early stuff like jabbo smith and charlies paradise band
idk listen to bix frankie trumbauer and miff mole

>>127006573
Thanks. Yes I did wonder if it was ties.

>>126996516
I've always struggled with Joe's sound. I can appreciate the technical prowess that I hope to never match but I just can't listen to too much of it. Do you emulate his playing at all?

>>126996223
Yes Ok.

>>127009710
>facing you
>picture isnt facing me

>>127005203
Try Ted Fio Rito, he had an orchestra, it's of the time period you've shared your ghastly recordings on URLs from. Apparently he went so far as to have such a thing as the Fio-Rettes - which is gong to be difficult to not research.

And then it was The Beatles and *thffffffunk*, all gone. Sorry to get all Robert Crumb on you. I was one of the lucky ones ...

God can you imagine having to keep one of those outfits afloat? That must have been hard bloody work.

>>127006573
I might use a ghost note ... that does have a notation symbol, I'm sure of it.

>Baritones and French Horns is a 16+2⁄3 rpm album released in August 1958 by Prestige Records. The album is one of a series of releases attributed to the Prestige All Stars. Each side of the album was a distinct date with distinct personnel. From a jazz.com review, Kenny Berger wrote, "Among the many innovative technological failures of the mid- and late- 1950s, the 16-rpm phonograph record stands as the industry's answer to the Edsel. One of Prestige's contributions to this auditory dustbin was an LP on steroids titled Baritones and French Horns under the supervision of vibist, composer, arranger, A&R man Teddy Charles. The baritone side of this album was reissued twice on LP and twice more on CD under John Coltrane's name (As Dakar), though Pepper Adams was the actual leader on these sessions."

Why the hell did they have a 16 rpm record format? Why credit it to Coltrane (I get that he sells records and all but he's really not on the record near as much as pepper is, it's *baritones* and french horns)

It's a good record though I just have the baritones side but I'm really enjoying it, especially Mary's blues and witches pit.

Ascension>Love Supreme

>>127012089
I find the structure boring and repetitive, and the setting doesn't let the musicians really breath

>>127012326
I opened the window.

>>127012089
>>127012326
Gonna be a contrarian as usual and say that Crescent is the best of the two 1964 recordings and Kulu Sé Mama is the best 1965 recording.

Although, the actual truth is that none of the best recordings of late Coltrane were released during his lifetime.

>>126984775
very much appreciated, anon

>>126994794
You might like Paul Whiteman: https://youtu.be/LZE8Ab_t950?si=aUOxxi3lgmMLUILW

Or Isham Jones: https://youtu.be/e-80qy6ioH4?si=V9o42PhRqDQiNLta

Fletcher Henderson is also good if you want a little jazzier big band: https://youtu.be/Twiox-KmlHM?si=FlQpf5D0f0dF7bnO

>>127015750
Kulu Se Mama would've been a lot better if it had swapped out Vigil for Selflessness.

*fOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>127017749
Thanks based anon.

Aint you glad we were mated for each other? Aint you glad that we waited for each other?

Never you mind, eh?

If you listen to British Jazz it is sleazy night clubs and strippers and go go dancing, when you come back to American be-bop it's a bunch of hobos on smack.

>>127020960
>British Jazz
America or bust, honorary Americans are tolerated (immigrants to America, Danes).

Classic.

>>126994794
Try this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iamSYSpVmwE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqOGtlr_zDE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xggImva1Gdw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBoq5c4GeII
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8lQyAD2jX4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPw104CDoFU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYX0v-0EZeg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqIn9TUlnHY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOnaMpr7wQ8
You'll have to do some exploring on your own because jazz threads on this board are dominated by casuals who think the genre started and peaked in the 1960s with My Favorite Things and pretentious heroin addicts like Miles Davis.

>>127022099
I like trad jazz if its black/creole and from New Orleans or Chicago.

>>127022111
Trad jazz is a term used either by knowers trying to communicate with casuals or casuals thinking they're knowers. The links I posted contain several genres of jazz.

>>127022131
I simply prefer the term trad jazz because its less racist (and more apt considering Chicago) than Dixieland. Really, I think I just dislike more arrangement-heavy styles with larger groups, which is also the case when I listen to WAM.

>>127022184
Only two of those links at best could be considered dixieland. More accurately "Melancholy Blues" is New Orleans jazz and "Sorry" is what I would call early swing. The rest are dance band and swing. The term trad jazz is useful for referring to an era, but it's really dishonest to pretend like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iamSYSpVmwE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYX0v-0EZeg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOnaMpr7wQ8
are somehow the same genre of jazz

Oh yes.

>>127022233
Yeah, I think "pre-bop" is more apt personally. I wasn't really implying that all forms of early jazz are equivalent, as even within regional styles there's a fair amount of diversity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w0_iV19dDU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg6d0rFJ_8w

I wish coltrane didnt die when he was only in his 40s. He could've still been around today

Two guitars, twice as nice! Frank wess doesn't get overshadowed either it's good.

>>127022269
>Pre-bop
Wouldn't it be pre-swing even?
>>127022099
Thanks anon, i'll check those out.

>>127026074
>Wouldn't it be pre-swing even?
nta but much of that was swing

>>127026092
Surprised they didn't name it two Kenny's a frank and a freddie. It's good tho I've been meaning to get more into kenny Burrell.

>>127024461
Such a kino cover.

>>127030098
What a line-up

Doom.

https://youtu.be/lRMh4jwJhE8?si=O6auhQXI80e1Di_e

>And I think to myself
>What a wonderful thread...

>>126899895 (OP)
what's fastest way to learn jazz on guitar? i'm reading pat martino linear expressions where he says you can play Dorian over anything, and it really is helpful for improv, but i still don't sound jazzy, i guess i don't have enough jazz vocab because i never transcribed songs

Cracking, really good.

>>127030848
It's got some bird on the cover, it stands to reason.

>>127030832
If you have to ask you'll never know

>>127031019
bro i just want to play fusion

>>127030832
I'll be with you in a minute hang on.

>>127031359
Ewww

Reject drums.

>>127031646
sorry, i mistyped bebop

>>127031724
Ok then :)

>>127031724
Fusion is electric bebop

>>127031774
is it?

Jazz is not defined by improvisation. That's a rookie mistake.

>>127031774
sometimes i wish it was

>>127031839
of course. improvisation in any genre is the low point of a song. period.

Espreanza Spalding, did she stop playing jazz or something?

>>127032006
Yeah, she quit to be a stay at home mom to our children.

Anons, I need music to listen to while I play vidya (ost of harvest moon 64 is repetitive) what are some good albums that arent too distracting but also not too shitty to actively listen to

>>127031019
poser opinion

I probably was the only person in England that was concert ready for one of his compositions, at that time.

>>127032634
how old are you?

>>127032646
I was born in the late 1970s CE.

>>127030208
Too good almost, Clark terry gets overshadowed by Johnny griffin and wynton Kelly but it's still excellent the title track specifically is really good.