Les Six edition
This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.
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Previously, on /classical/:
>>126901478
The Apex of Art.
The Bard of Bacchus.
The Caster of Comfort.
The Dionysus of Delusions.
The Evoker of Ecstasy.
The Forth-Bringer of Fantastic-Fantasies.
The God of Greatness.
The Height of Heroism.
The Inventor of Ideas.
The Juggler of Jubilation.
The Knight of Knowledge.
The Love of Listeners.
The Master of Music.
The Nirvana of Noblemen.
The Oasis of Orgasm.
The Poisoner of Peons.
The Quester of Quixotic.
The Rattler of Romance.
The Sex of Sex-havers.
The Tactful of Tranquility.
The Up-lifter of Unbeaten.
The Visionary of Vibrance.
The Wagnerian of Wagners.
The X-Factor of Xenophiles.
The Yay of Youths.
The Zing of Zion.
>>126924992This is all true, but for Chopin.
Les Troyens is far more soulful and heroic than anything Vagner ever wrote
The best music in the Ring Cycle occurs in the scene between Wotan and Fricka in Die Walkรผre.
I would never listen to any of Vagnerโs repulsive operas, I only listen to Brahms and french composers.
>>126924924Really the biggest problem with Wagner's Ring is all the times the plot repeats itself
>Walkure is like 30 minutes of recapOk I get it
>Siegfried is like 30 minutes of recapOk I get it
>Gotterdammerung has 30 minutes of recap toowhy
It's you who needs help, if you think "formalistic German genius" describes Vagner better than the terms normally and justly applied to Mahler &co.: Bloated Meandering Firetruck Garbage for impressionable teens such as you.
>>126925055The real reason is that Wagner wrote the libretti backwards and included the recap for what wasn't shown, until he decided to just turn that recap into an another opera, and he did this three times. He apparently removed A LOT of recapping in this process, so you should be thankful there's as little as there is. Or, you could believe Boulez about there being a deliberate stylistic element of repetition in the Ring or some pseud French nonsense like that.
why are these threads so bad?
>>126925138Last thread was pretty good actually.
>>126925055>>126925119+ They were played in different days and Wagner had to make sure everyone remembered what happened last night because Germans are all drunkards
>>126925152More like he had to make sure people remembered what the leitmotifs represented.
Ravel's Pavane For A Dead Princess is not about a princess who died but about a princess who once lived
I've fallen in love with Ives Fourth. I never imagined I'd find myself getting into music that adventurous.
>>126925379more interesting than good
I firmly believe Schumann's decision to stop composing at the piano is what ruined his music and led to his inevitable insanity. More and more disconnected from solid ideas, further and further moving into ephemeral and badly thought out orchestration and lines of counterpoint, and the man couldn't help but go insane.
>>126926137His symphonies are great though. Enjoyed this a couple months ago too https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/126420648/#q126438279
Relative to their importance, there are probably no two composers more unreasonably ignored by the listening population at large than Haydn and Palestrina.
>>126926156>His symphonies are great though.They're really much ado about nothing. Occasionally an interesting idea, but then it just disappears back into the orchestral mush.
>>126926192Superficial criticism. Regardless of one's opinions on Schumann's orchestration problems, they're a nonissue in a world where we have access to dozens of recordings that handle it in diverse ways that would suit any preference. The 4th in particular is really sui generis and no survey of Romantic orchestral repertory would be complete without it.
>>126924916Ah well thank you for giving it a try!
>You know, about Wagner there is much to write and say โ and you can criticize much โ but he is undefeatable! What Wagner did none had done before him and nor can anyone take it away! Music will go on its way, leaving Wagner behind, but Wagner will remain exactly like the statue of that poet from whom they still learn at school today. Homer! And such a Homer will be Wagner.
favorite recording of the Liszt concertos & sonata?
>>126926607>sonataZimerman
>>126926189Monteverdi and CPE
>>126926607>Liszt concertosusual rec is Zimerman/Ozawa
For me, it's Giulini/Berman. In fact I might listen to that right now...
>sonataNow that's a tough one, because there's so, so many great recordings. Pogorelich, Zimerman, Barenboim, Arrau, Grimaud, Hough, Grosvenor, Bolet, Argerich... I guess gun to my head, I'd go with pic, but really it might just be whichever good one I listened to last lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UimlbR1ffO4&list=OLAK5uy_kfXsYK6hIl24E0pCt4JUeTG7GZIrpKMtg&index=5
>>126925379Now it's time to fall in love with Ives' Concord Sonata
>>126924931 (OP)>(embed) (embed) (embed)
Weber
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3so48vAtI18
Handel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0NmoyLeoDs
favorite Rachmaninov Paganini Variations recording?
>>126927642Rachmaninoff's own recording. It's very listenable.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz28e7xjNLA&list=OLAK5uy_kgVAOTm8POk3Du9SczyKH8sTsBUpGdqEA&index=7&pp=8AUB
โit got it wrong again.
https://www.reddit.com/r/classicalmusic/comments/1dgfgpm/alfred_schnittke_the_glass_harmonica_ii_ending/
Itโs the BACH-motif.
>>126926786Jubel Overture is underrated.
>>126927958Great film with a masonic subtext
https://youtu.be/DEMXQZRaMfc?si=L1kUoeHBBCuB7xHF
>Long ago a craftsman created a magical musical instrument, and called it: The Glass Harmonica. The sound of this instrument inspired high thoughts and fine actions. Once the craftsman came to a town whose citizens were in thrall ... to a yellow devil
>>126928057Happy Independence day! KOEK!
>>126927642https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNBfBbJzh2M
Vanska!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYQM5jY1Hy4&list=OLAK5uy_nsSQBgGDawGMJSDf8LTfvwzrRm4Qq5So0&index=1
>>126927642Seconding Ashkenazy
>>126927642Earl Wild / Horenstein
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=035ZDJKvLUY
Herbert Howells
https://youtu.be/dmsXNVFommI?list=OLAK5uy_kK4Cn7bAanUVHmkA6FIhpFfNd4I9sjok0
>Ashkenazy
>Ashkenazi (Jew)
>AshkeNAZI
i'm confused
>>126928453Howells is great. He's got so much choral music too. An absolute must for anyone into 20th century choral music.
any good 21st century Classical?
>>126928463Oh, have you posted him before? Must've missed that. I got into him a year or two ago mostly on the strength of that mass setting. Much more ambitious than I would expect from such a relatively obscure composer. Feels like something ripe for being rediscovered.
>>126928057Counterrevolutionary garbage. I am not surprised the Soviet censors banned it.
>>126928540No, you're talking to the ghost of Herbert Howells I believe they're saying. Or they're David Hill.
>>126928463big fan! :)
Ibragimova's Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WUAnM257-M&list=OLAK5uy_m77tACp1_jZ5NZbc3J7Js6Tme7pQiTES4&index=17
The Nutcracker night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCJZSUDosA8&list=OLAK5uy_n3_knr-e0dAOcrwfeBMkykQIeBcjRICi4&index=7
>>126925055the real problem with the ring cycle is that it's an inauthentic appeal to an imagined past, there are no german analogues to the vast majority of the names he ripped from the eddas. it's the 1/32nd cherokee princess of music
>>126928557t. under the spell of the yellow devil
>>126928813You lost
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtszkfXrmhc
>>126928847Panzer auf dem Eis. KOEK!
>>126928801that's a "problem" how
>>126928847Rikki Tikki Tavi
https://youtu.be/LD29SEOh8E0?si=f2fVbdzQiTJPVeNe
>>126928801Clearly you have no knowledge of Wagner. Even people who criticise his Gesamtkunstwerk for being an ill-defined mushy merging of the different arts still agree that you cannot appreciate his use of the arts completely on their own. If you can't accept Wagner's melodies stand on their own, far less than any traditional opera melodies then you are merely being dogmatic. Your understanding of Wagner shows a dilettantish reading of both his Ring as well as the original Germanic sources which is typical of those first approaching it. You know nothing of how Wagner actually adapted those stories and poetry, or that almost all visual portrayals of Wotan today come from Wagner's Ring. But this negative opinion probably comes from a superficial reading of Nietzsche. As someone who approached Wagner from the Norse sources I can tell you your opinion is wrong. It's the result of, partially, listening to horribly wrong and mediocre interpretations, and on the other hand not investigating the Ring as a self-contained 19th century artwork. No one criticises Goethe for introducing his own themes into the Faust legend. If you were as knowledgeable on the sources as I am, then you would know the subtlety with which Wagner created the Ring, from the very smallest elements of the sources he took inspiration. I'm sorry anon but you don't know the first thing about Icelandic poetry, and certainly couldn't compare with Wagner. Really the problem here is that you just know nothing about Wagner's Ring. Der Ring des Nibelungen is a major work of 19th century German literature, influencing both the language and plot of Nietzsche Zarathustra's, but is also an adaptation of Germanic myths and like for most of Wagner's late works opens up a very informative dialogue between the original and his own dramatic adaptation. Icelandic poetry was one of the most fundamental influences on Wagner's Ring and I doubt you have the knowledge of it to talk about how Wagner created his Ring.
>gardiner's beethoven
:/
>karajan's beethoven
:|
>blomstedt's beethoven
:)
>kletzki's beethoven
:D
>szell's beethoven
:O
>>126928980people do actually criticise goethe's faust, the second part is generally considered inferior to the first. i'm sorry you fell for a german nationalist meme anon
>>126928987>Chailly's Beethoven
>>126928998>the second part is generally considered inferior to the firstby retards
>>126928998it's pasta you newfaggot
>>126928211RIP Thomas Jefferson and John Adams
https://youtu.be/bsJYGbe3pPA?si=f3v2txcPnpdwBnOq
What's a little moment you're always listening for in specific recordings? For me, in the Finale of Bruckner's 8th - during the recapitulation, there's this little section where Bruckner uses accented syncopation between the trombone and horns to amazing effect. You actually rarely hear it the way that Bruckner wrote it.
For example, in Karajan's famous recording it's quite blurred and he uses the moment to focus on the strings more:
https://youtu.be/jfTHMMdqM-Q?list=RDjfTHMMdqM-Q&t=4485
Janowski does it brilliantly in his recording:
https://youtu.be/Zfmc3E01sv8?list=RDZfmc3E01sv8&t=945
Despite its aged sonics, it comes across in the Beinum recording as well:
https://youtu.be/O0_2EE0HYW0?list=RDO0_2EE0HYW0&t=821
Thielemann is kind of in the same park as Karajan:
https://youtu.be/yCzFpFK5JC0?list=PLiLZfpDt9iZyl0WDv-we2rxecyD3-tfN7&t=909
Not really a deal breaker or anything for a performance, but it's something I'm always listening for.
What does /classical/ think of Radu "Rasputin" Lupu? Listening to his recordings, I can't decide if he's wonderful and visionary or inscrutable and indulgent. One moment I'll think "wow, I've never heard the piece sound like this before, this is great" and a few bars later, "wait, what am I even listening to?" because his playing has distended and disintegrated the piece's standard dramatic narrative.
example, listening to this right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdSoWhV8bwc&list=OLAK5uy_lCS8ePNcfgF2y4_4CSs8ONQO5qwNJTlt8&index=1
>>126928987disagree but I respect it
>kletzkiwho?
>>126929358note to self: reply to this great effortpost in the morning when I have more energy
>>126929406I like his Schubert Impromptus, D960, and his late Brahms pieces. He can be a little sonorous at times due to his pedaling and preference for wet acoustics.
>>126929001Because it leaves you baffled, yelling, "this is what you came out with, Chailly, with all your talent?"
>>126928987Szell was my favourite Beethoven when I started listening to classical but then I stopped listening to him because I felt that he was babby's first conductor choice and ironically I haven't listened to his Beethoven again in all these years.
let's get Transcendental
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hji9RwwAFk&list=OLAK5uy_kmzzKxPag1ZmsXzz558KL1vgVZQIfZf_w&index=4
with a great S.178 to close the recording
>>126929489And, pray tell, what conductors do you listen to now that you're all grown up and wise?
can't these companies afford proper translators, or at least copywriters, editors, or, hell, just proofreaders?
>>126929794nothing, i just read the scores and play them in my head.
https://youtu.be/PuDRo-5_7ZM
Thoughts?
>>126929975his Vienna recordings are indeed the endgame, the peak of Beethoven performance, even greater than Karajan I've come to realize
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6cfuTkQE7s&list=OLAK5uy_n-jO5APIL_q9quwfY7tAEEkDnD4KI0MPA&index=28
Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFriBd_IMns
>>126929975>>126930031Wagner is LGBTQ coded. Bernstein naturally saw through this sheer facade of folkish mythology the central nucleus of homoerotica, which is intrinsic to the medium of opera- thatโs why he (a gay Jew) was the one to rehabilitate Wagner in the post-war period.
which classical piece is best for edging?
>>126931407Die Walkรผre/Wotan's Farewell
>>126930030It's kind of funny to see clickbait Zoomerisms attached to a performance analysis video.
Anyways I agree with some points, but I do have to point out the recording he chose is somewhat unfavorable for Szell, his Amsterdam performance is quite a bit less dry, for example. Still, Szell never shook the Toscanini wannabe accusations with his approach to rhythm.
>>126928987>Mengelberg's Beethoven
>>126930030ok, i'm sold on furtwรคngler, are there any recordings that have decent audio quality and don't sound like a moldy wax roll?
>>126932856You kind of have to be picky with Furtwangler, because, yes, he did make some sonically good recordings of Beethoven, they're usually kind of boring. His EMI Beethoven for example is completely dull compared to his live stuff.
His best two Beethoven 5ths are these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJG5A-klfgE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En7XycDsHe0
They both have their pros and cons when it comes to the sound quality, and are fairly similar in performance.
Other than that, here are some other notable performances of him that aren't in horrible sonics:
>Bruckner 5th (my personal favorite)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bqGBGAQC8M
>Brahms 4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13MN2c-KNI0&list=OLAK5uy_n3qB_awICb9O5BaSk_6qvUVjxhjaINrfY&index=21
>Brahms 1 (sonically one of his best)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll3qYS-Wz4M
>Wagner Die Walkurehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlDcu6GqNvI
>Beethoven 3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD3q2cLf8D8
>Brahms 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIQscaIBqP4
>Bartok VC2 with Menuhin (surprisingly idiomatic)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R6Lzec56e4&list=OLAK5uy_kdIzL9g8aLAewB5lnsFHJbL3gPMMq7DYM&index=2
>Beethoven PC4 with Hansenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XNFR0uaMDc
>Beethoven PC5 with Fischerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HMk7WJe7Ts&list=OLAK5uy_lJrtrh0REyteC8-aSmBiTNTLBrec5vMxE&index=2
>>126933294Oops, meant to link the entire playlist for the Die Walkure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlDcu6GqNvI&list=OLAK5uy_kMsasxRotcWrB6NFOLSiIpKdwXp5WWJKg&index=2
>>126926189>HaydnThe irate gamer to Moxarts Avgn
>PalestrinaI always think of Palestine which puts me off listening
>>126926189Haydn Fucking sucks, but Palestrina is based
Bach and Before, Ives/Debussy and after.
>>126934263>Ives/Debussy and after.meaning who? You listen to Messiaen all day?
>>126928493There must be at least a decent one people like from the last 25 years
all of these Abbado/Vienna Mahler recordings are getting reissued it seems. They really aren't THAT good but w/e, if people will buy it...
>>126934263so true RYMsister
now playing
start of Brahms: Violin Concerto in D Major, Op. 77
www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCEWw0C-aZU&list=OLAK5uy_nu3tJ1NxFggODGnEpO7IooA4ly9CH1bQQ&index=1
start of C. Schumann: 3 Romances for Violin and Piano, Op. 22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTNVx8vOj98&list=OLAK5uy_nu3tJ1NxFggODGnEpO7IooA4ly9CH1bQQ&index=4
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nu3tJ1NxFggODGnEpO7IooA4ly9CH1bQQ
>>126928493>>126934422pic
also some Lara Auerbach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpRr-tTEpfw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngY4Bc3hTKw
>>126934263exclusively non-adult opinion
>video game music isnโt classi-
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V3IdY3d3oe8&list=PL9AEtQCWsDXzWkkhSu4WgAIMDRXVxsqN_&index=2&pp=iAQB8AUB
i accidentally deleted all of my music from my PC, should i just kill myself, i can't FUCJing do it again, fuck it i'll just get a streaming service
>>126935388Yep, that's when I caved and started streaming my music. Except I didn't delete my library, but one of my best friends in a drunken stupor mistook my laptop and desk chair as a toilet and pissed all over it, destroying both.
>>126935388But yeah, sorry to hear that. How did it happen? And there's really no way to recover it? It's not in your Recycle Bin, maybe?
>>126935439He deleted some files he didn't lose a family member
Daniel looks like he's drowning a beloved family pet, that's gone rabid, in the basement sink
>>126935439I downloaded a symphony cycle from squid.wtf and intended to delete the zip file after extracting it. However, I guess i must have accidentally selected the entire downloads folder instead. When it notified me that the folder was too large for the recycling bin, I didn't think much of it since it was a complete cycle (the Haydn Dorati cycle), which is a huge "album" (obviously, it's 36 hours) So, I clicked Yes to delete. Unfortunately, I didn't have a backup, and while Iโm sure thereโs a way to recover it, I donโt think itโs worth the effort at this point.
>>126935748fuuug :(
sorry anon
>>126935748>leaving your music in the Downloads folder instead of having it neatly organized in a Music folderanon...
>>126935748I mean, it probably is worth recovering if you just did it. Deletion just frees the space for reuse.
>>126935718https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD_HJCeaGsM&list=RDkD_HJCeaGsM&start_radio=1
I'm so dumb. I forgot that neige is snow and I thought it was black. My initial first thought was it meant black ass or black body
Always tough deciding which Bruckner recording to listen to. Right now I feel like listening to the 5th. Do I want to go with a safe choice in Barenboim or Thielemann? One of my favorites in Maazel or Sinopoli? Or do I wanna give someone another chance, perhaps Wand or Chailly or Tintner? Or should I try and find an unfamiliar one to try, perhaps Ormandy or Zander? Or should I go with a long-forgotten, dusty performance I remember enjoying in the past, like Harnoncourt or Haitink (BR) or Jochum or Skrowaczewski? Ahhhh, it's too much! I guess... Haitink it is today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zI8TMRPPTQ&list=OLAK5uy_l9rw0FlYb8ksKNCf6RcyKsiFF9dntbBKc&index=1
>>126935748Anon, try to recover it. Search how to recover deleted folder, you might be able to do it.
What is the name of that occult composer?
>>126935968Hmph... you mean Lord Scriabin, whelp?
>>126935978No lol not him.
Black Angels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etHtCVeU4-I&list=RDetHtCVeU4-I&start_radio=1
>>126935914it was hours ago, i did search it but all i found is "file history", and when i go to it on my pc it just says "no file history was found" and then i read about "disk drill" which half of the shit online about it says it's a virus and the other half say is legitimate and works, back up wasn't on either, i think i'm fucked.
>>126935768yeah i know i always meant to organize it but the downloads folder got so big it would have taken weeks to organize and re-add to foobar
>>126935978Actually Nvm it was him,
Scriabin's dream was to stage the Mysterium in the Himalaya. He conceived it as a grand purification ritual where bells were to be suspended from clouds. Thousands of participants, clad in white robes, would intone his melismatic mantras with the fervor of the dervishes, expending every bit of their available energy in the service of his artistic idealism. He envisioned an orgy of the senses, and to this end created a choreography of lights, odors, colors and exotic dances. This was to have gone on for a week, leading to the apocalypse and the end of time. Thus transcended, the physical world, and ego itself would dematerialize; man would be reborn as pure concept. He even went as far as to purchase a plot of land in the Himalaya, fully expecting to realize this magniloquent even
How did he plan to hang bells from clouds?
>>126935978so he was a gnostic?
feels like a Brahms 3 day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPu09Dny1nw&list=OLAK5uy_mGRsxGtZ7-c-GNa4ElGjZxllHxS3IEOfs&index=9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLvLQpSFbV0&list=RDetHtCVeU4-I&index=2
Pรคrt: Fratres For Violin, String Orchestra And Percussion
>Barber Adagio For Strings
>>126924931 (OP)I love the classics : https://youtu.be/KF32DRg9opA?si=S-KykDDeLx8mCXNR , https://youtu.be/BCOCa9LeE3s?si=NodnrBy0pdSlPter , https://youtu.be/Xqf8jID9TsE?si=z2nj5aoVR6-L6MR3
>>126929358This ~2min following sequence here in the 4th movement of Brahms' 2nd Symphony.
https://youtu.be/N9JyESgtMOM?si=byjC_5QU4pbU0eFd&t=180
Such a glorious back-and-forth.
https://youtu.be/v6wVSPJa1kE?si=EBf7UrvcXQXfW3Fm&t=184
So good.
I'm looking for a piano piece with this main melody. I don't remember the the time signature but the RH is doing something weird like septuplets over LH sextuplets or RH quintuplets over LH quarters.
https://litter.catbox.moe/rlwqcmaxzubu6gce.wav
>>126932672It is deep yes, but there is more obvious sense of it's an elegy for one who's passed away but the glimpse into the life of somone who lived in ages past
>>126932672It is deep yes, but there is more obvious sense of it's not an elegy for one who's passed away but the glimpse into the life of somone who lived in ages past
>>126937472VIRUS DO NOT CLICK
the journey of discovering and enjoying great recordings of Chopin's second and third piano sonatas continues :)
Op. 35
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAgHumUlYv0&list=OLAK5uy_lzgSVjG64X_9CtBU418UPd-zZ-txGcbY0&index=1
Op. 58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVb_WMJWJeg&list=OLAK5uy_lzgSVjG64X_9CtBU418UPd-zZ-txGcbY0&index=5
>>126937936Pollini's recordings are always like an 8-8.5/10 for me. Technically flawless, consistently exciting, great sense of the musical narrative and architecture, but lacking in expressiveness. No doubt perfect for those who scoff at any signs of sentimentality. For me, I need a little bit more. Still great though.
>>126936152Have you tried asking ChatGPT?
>>126938531yup, tried "Recuva" it found some of the files but they were unrecoverable, fuck it, i guess i'll get Qobuz, they seem to have a decent Classical selection.
>>126939120Unfortunate. That sounds frustrating. Sorry then.
How big was your collection anyway, larger than 1TB?
>>126939210just over a TB, it was about 3/4 of my collection the rest is on another ssd, fucking sucks, but whatever, i'll just deal with streaming for now until i feel like redownloading stuff.
>>126930030B-b-but Hurwitz told me Szell's Beethoeven was one of the greatest ever!
>>126939963I saw someone on Talk Classical say that Szell doesn't get the Missa Solemnis-its supposed to be a religious mass and gives it too much drama.
I've never heard it personally
>>126939963>>126940241Sisterposter was an ardent defender. They loved Szell for a lot of things, now that I think about it. Mozart, Brahms, Beethoven.
>>126940468The Sisterposter had stereotypically Jewish opinions.
Hadelich's Bach, y/n?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46P5DD1i-hg&list=OLAK5uy_lcKJZtgduclxIajf4AbKs5xrFaR7NZfs0&index=14
now playing
start of Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 20 in D Minor, K. 466
www.youtube.com/watch?v=azqHbZMUUTw&list=OLAK5uy_n71TCBmTzGSO1-4KpbNy8K9S_Q3j6oHuQ&index=1
start of Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 24 in C Minor, K. 491
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz-KGTZ0vrs&list=OLAK5uy_n71TCBmTzGSO1-4KpbNy8K9S_Q3j6oHuQ&index=4
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n71TCBmTzGSO1-4KpbNy8K9S_Q3j6oHuQ
been meaning to delve into this Barenboim/English Chamber Orchestra complete Mozart Piano Concertos set for a while. Guess I'll start here.
Favorite recording(s) of these pieces, Mozart's Piano Concerto 20, K.466, and Piano Concerto 24, K.491? There's so many choices but that only makes it more difficult to find ones suited to my tastes, in my experience. Maybe I should be less picky with them.
>>126940468He only liked his 7th and Missa Solemnis. Which are, in all fairness, the two best recordings of Beethoven that Szell did. He definitely did not care for his Brahms (which I discussed with him many times)
>>126940241People who think religiousity can only be expressed with slow, reverential tempi are stupid.
Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hup1bpB-b48
I'm a little disappointed by Scriabin. When I hear how he and his fans big him up I expect something truly special but then it's like "Oh he's a standard Romantic pianist who discovered a jazzy chord and made that his whole bit". Perchance one day he may click
https://voca.ro/1dRFH3R4XMLa
thoughts? i value ur guyses opinions the most
>>126940835I meant Fleisher/Szell Brahms.
This is gonna sound silly, but I hate that a lot of these in-house label releases have no kind of marketing, and thus no reviews or articles about them. No, no, not that I need someone to tell me what to think (not entirely ;) ) but rather, it makes the recording seem almost cheap and insignificant, like a post made on a website no one frequents anymore.
>>126942917I wouldn't really say that's particularly silly, it's just part and parcel or where classical recordings are right now. They're incidental live recordings that they just happen to be doing during a usual season. There's no intent behind it anymore.
Not one American composer tried to write symphonies like Mahler or Shostakovich? Come on, man... listening to Shostakovich's 8th Symphony right now and it is such a monumental work of art.
You CAN sing along with every note from Beethoven's 3rd, 5th, 7th, 8th, and 9th symphonies, Archduke Piano Trio, all of his named piano sonatas, his late and middle string quartets, his 3rd, 4th, and 5th cello sonatas, his 5th and 9th violin sonatas, his violin concerto, and his 5th piano concert, right Anon?
>>126943576>3rdThe latter 2 movements definitely, the first 2 movements almost but not quite?
>5thYes
>7thProbably
>8thYes
>9th1st movement probably not, 2nd movemetn definitely, 3rd and 4th almost
>ArchdukeNope, still haven't listened to the trios other than the first 3
>all of his named piano sonatasmost of them
>late and middle string quartetsno
>cello sonatasno
>5th and 9th violin sonatasyes
>violin concertono
>5th piano concertono
>>126943608Pretty good, I'll give you a pa--
>>Archduke>Nope, still haven't listened to the trios other than the first 3O_O
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn-8A8BQQo8
I know most of you are streamers, but just gonna drop this here. These are some of the most superlative performances of each of these works. The physicality of the strings in each of these recordings has to be heard to be believed - it's the kind vibrating string sound that Karajan often has attributed to him, but on steroids. You can practically hear the violins catching fire. Every single one of these interpretations is a benchmark for the work. They're live recordings, so there is some sonic compromise, but they sound quite good for their vintage and are in full stereo.
https://litter.catbox.moe/oprpibxqzq8y89li.zip
>>126943621>I know most of you are streamers, but just gonna drop this here.I still download and listen to all of the recordings you post <3
>>126943621I do both, preferring to download. I stream a lot of classical though because I do listen to multiple recordings of the same pieces and yeah. I trust your judgment though I have no clue who you are based on your passion and will be giving this a download
>>126943619Thanks for the rec. Suppose I should finally get around to that ghost trio too
![8108gwK-bNL._SL1500_[1]](/thumb/mu/1751782190665360.jpg)
if anyone has some morbid curiosity, every Amazon community review is unanimous in panning the cadenzas in this recording of Beethoven's Violin Concerto
>For her debut concerto album, violinist Veronika Eberle revisits a work that has endured more than two centuries, and shares a fresh interpretation featuring new cadenzas by composer Jรถrg Widmann. "May listeners hear the Violin Concerto-in all it's stark radicalism, it's brazen beauty and it's love of experimentation-in a new way with these cadenzas: as contemporary music of today." (Jรถrg Widmann) Not only is Beethoven's Violin Concerto a particular favorite of Veronika, it has been central to her career to date-most notably alongside Sir Simon Rattle, who has been Veronika's long-time supporter and collaborator. When she was just 16, Sir Simon introduced her at the 2006 Salzburg Easter Festival, where she performed this very concerto to a packed Salzburg Festpielhaus. On this album, the pair reunite to bring this sublime masterpiece to life, and to celebrate the work that first brought Veronika to international attention.
aka the cadenzas were written by a composer trying to do Beethoven-gone-contemporary, so you can imagine how that'll be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_3c6AKU6CY&list=OLAK5uy_mVfZQagAFjTkpu3lPMG50duFgyGBuqs_4&index=1
>Great performance by Eberle, Rattle and LSO, but I do not like the new cadenzas.
> An excellent performance ruined by Jorg Widmann cadenzas
>I was falling in love with this performance, until the first movement cadenza assaulted my ears.
>Long terrible cadenzas destroy the recording.
>Terrible lengthy cadenzas written by contemporary composer Jรถrg Widmann destroy big parts of the recording. The angular writing, high levels of dissonance, and even the use of clapping clearly become unbearable.
etc
I've been really obsessed with this piece for the last month, as I'm sure some of you have noticed. Most recordings of it are, in fact, mediocre, sadly, so I keep exploring.
why does our age have such an obsession with recreating and reconstructing the past?
>Recorded in August 2022 at concerts given in Hamburg's Elbphilharmonie by the Philharmonisches Staatsorchester Hamburg under Kent Nagano, this version of Johannes Brahms's celebrated choral masterpiece will come as a surprise to many. The German Requiem is heard not in it's usual seven-movement version, but rather as it was first performed in Bremen Cathedral on 10th April 1868 (Good Friday) under Brahms's direction, without the fifth movement for soprano and choir that was completed later that year. On the other hand there are numerous interludes, instrumental and vocal, secular and sacred, by Bach, Tartini, Schumann and Handel - including pieces that were then regarded as essential parts of a Good Friday concert. Such a programme might seem unusual today, but these musical additions shed new light on Brahms's work, which in this version manifests itself as what Umberto Eco might have described as an 'open work'.Presenting the work in the form heard at the Bremen premiere is more than just a reconstruction: it enriches our understanding of this unique music.
did conductors in previous times give a shit how a piece was performed in its premiere? idk
>>126943788Gimmicks in an attempt to stand out from an over-recorded crowd.
>did conductors in previous times give a shit how a piece was performed in its premiere?Not usually. Maybe academically insofar as interpretive insights or trying to adhere to a way a composer wanted a certain effect or whatever.
>>126943817>Gimmicks in an attempt to stand out from an over-recorded crowd.And justifying academic jobs whose entire contribution is historical fidelity, I suppose.
>>126943788>how are we going to sell another mediocre recording of standard repertoire??
>>126942917>>126942976Thank you, goysumer sisters
Hisster sisters Brahms
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yRcMPxbaDAY&pp=ygUVYnJhaG1zIHJlY29yZGluZyAxODg5
>>126944454With no genuine online presence, some of them don't even look like real recordings.
Levit's Beethoven
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrrKG-Xjzm0&list=OLAK5uy_nEuDnoVXeKKtQu3GL0hOVgE_zRlftFDpY&index=86
>>126944579The music industry thanks you for goysuming, sister
>>126944682this don't look AI generated and cheap to you?
Whatโs a Sharagan?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w295rNbIcHk
>>126944692What does it sound like, sister?
>>126944742K. Petrenko's BPO tenure does sound like a plastic imitation of Karajan, now that you ask.
The ever popular Elibris God of Dawn of Urardu / Concerto for flute & strings
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t7NmcrP2uzs&pp=ygURRWxpYnJpcyBob3Zhbmhlc3M%3D
>>126945120starting to suspect you're related to Hovhaness
Greatest musical hoax of all time?
>>126945308Bach was a theist
Chopin was a heterosexual
Mozart is underrated
Liszt is good
Schoenberg wrote beautiful music
....need I go on?
>>126945308Bach was a religious, devout christian
Chopin was a heterosexual
Mozart is underrated
Liszt is good
Schoenberg wrote beautiful music
....need I go on?
What's the best Wagner instrumental compilation album
>>126945382You think Bach was an atheist?
You canโt be serious.
>>126945382Sister, you forgot:
Bach was in the closet
>>126945382Whatโs the intersection between people who think Bach was an atheist and men who think they are women?
>>126945382This all seems true on surface.
But then you get sus
Then you start questioning your mental sanity...
Finally, you realize we've been lied to, all that is fake.
>>126945564If you can convince yourself that you are a woman, then you can convince yourself of anything
>>126945382LGBTQ+ folks love to reclaim history!
>>126945585They are small-minded bigots who canโt tolerate alternative points of view. They are not Christian; therefore, Bach was not Christian. They are gay; therefore, everyone in history was gay.
Mozart really does all sound the same.
Beethovenโs Grosse Fuge is just plain ugly.
Wagnerโs operas are much better with cuts.
No one cares about the first three movements of Berliozโ Symphonie fantastique.
Schoenbergโs music never sounds more attractive, no matter how many times you listen to it.
Schumannโs orchestration definitely needs improvement.
Bruckner couldnโt write a symphonic allegro to save his life.
Liszt is trash.
The so-called โhappyโ ending of Shostakovichโs Fifth is perfectly sincere.
Itโs a good thing that โonlyโ about 200 Bach cantatas survive.
>>126941644>Oh he's a standard Romantic pianist who discovered a jazzy chord and made that his whole bitSo sorry you seem retarded. Hopefully one day it "clicks".
>>126924931 (OP)Why was Dmitri Shostakovich repudiated so much from the beginning until the end? It seems he never had freedom from critics and was constantly denounced not only by apparatchiks but by other musicians and composers. This was before he was also embarrassingly given an honourable mention in the I International Chopin Piano Competition.
>>126945308Um actually, itโs impossible to carry out a musical hoax.
>>126945382Chopin was out here with the ladies, what you on about, bro?
>>126945906He had a unique voice + cultural and political reasons.
>>126945308The fake Brahms 5th Symphony I'm writing, shhh ;)
>>126945954Itโs ok, lil broโฆI suppose Bach and Chopin were liars, which is markedly better than being Christian/Heterosexual (according to some).
>>126945954He was in love with a bloke called George Sand
>>126946031https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Sand
KOEK. Ze droeg mannenkleding en was daarom een man. Dit zijn dezelfde mensen die zich verzetten tegen het bestaan van seksuele normen.
>>126946031eternal arthoe aesthetic
no wonder Nietzsche was enchanted too
>>126946067why is this faggot writing in danish
>>126946096De eend is gevangen. Nu hoeft hij alleen nog maar geplukt te worden.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYl2OWuijFE
>>126946121Speak fucking English itโs Australia!
Chopin's Nocturne No. 10 is so fuckin' good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKNMNedSA5I&list=OLAK5uy_k5YYS7DsrOXdvWQlsbYO9pQ_9INk5XAuY&index=10
Harnoncourt's Brahms Requiem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfPKWQ1v8WE&list=OLAK5uy_nKhy4Wdt7lv2Xj_Zt7GlLrOY-A6vQg6Go&index=1
>>126946177Australisch poesje. kwak kwak kwak
>>126946208This is shockingly good. Have I been overlooking Harnoncourt this entire time? Damn.
>>126946208Looks like his hands on fire
>>126946371spellcasting in Elder Scrolls
>So sorry you seem retarded. Hopefully one day it "clicks".
>>126924931 (OP)I just wrote a short story about Shostakovich in the Siege of Leningrad hallucinating that he ate Fafnir's heart because he's imagining he's in the Wagnerian Ring Cycle
>>126946500It's hard to explain but I got inspiration from the Poetic Edda where Siegfried has an hallucinogenic experience after eating Fafnir's heart and begins to understand birds' language
I wanted it to be psychedelic and weird like that
>>126946485>Shostakovich in the Siege of Leningrad hallucinating that he ate Fafnir's heart because he's imagining he's in the Wagnerian Ring CycleHopefully it's as short as that.
>>126946564It's 4,500 words. A standard short story. I write horror fiction as a traditionally published author, so I took inspiration from the Siege of Leningrad and Seventh Symphony.
>>126946485makes me think of a more fantastical version of Vollman's Europe Central
>Set in Central Europe during the 20th century, it examines a vast array of characters, ranging from generals to martyrs, officers to poets, traitors to artists and musicians. It deals with the moral decisions made by people in the most testing of times and offers a perspective on human actions during wartime. Vollmann makes use of many historical figures as characters such as revolutionary Nadezhda Krupskaya, composer Dmitri Shostakovich, artist Kรคthe Kollwitz, film director Roman Karmen, poet Anna Akhmatova, SS officer Kurt Gerstein, activists Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht, as well as German general Friedrich Paulus and Soviet general Andrey Vlasov.
>>126946571Wow! I'm a big fan of Vollmann so thanks for putting me in the same sentence as him.
now playing
start of Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 20 in D Minor, K.466
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMrdMmgLOaI&list=OLAK5uy_nT3KFSbKQ8XcnkQ_e42oYupMqAsKJZfuo&index=2
start of Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 21 in C Major, K.467
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQmgsr5BtSc&list=OLAK5uy_nT3KFSbKQ8XcnkQ_e42oYupMqAsKJZfuo&index=4
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nT3KFSbKQ8XcnkQ_e42oYupMqAsKJZfuo
H.P. Lovecraft's poetry was put to music; this is a chorale performing it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy8sLLmj9RA
>>126946518I was saying he was living in Wagner's RIng Cycle or the Germans were
Weird that Prokofiev insulted others for making movie music when Alexander Nevsky is purely cinematic music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGqVogrLEE4
>>126946619When is "On The Creation Of Niggers" getting set to music-that's what I want to know
>>126946644Ah, yeah, good point!
I tried to make that connection. Both the Russians and Germans saw World War Two as the ultimate echo of their past wars a la Battle on the Ice but ultimately in their roots as both Viking peoples (Rus' was founded by the Rurikid Dynasty). I try to explore this with elements from the Eddas and the Wagnerian Cycle. Hitler definitely saw himself as a Wagnerian hero, however we want to interpret that.
>>126946652>Prokofiev insulted others for making movie musicSource?
>>126946652You mean one of the 20th century's great choral works. Also he wrote Lieutenant Kije and the Scythian Suite, are you sure he insulted others for 'movie music'?
>>126946652>Prime amongst the ranks of classical composers who have written music specifically for the cinema is Sergei Prokofiev, who composed the music for no less than six films, as well as two scores for films that were never made
>>126946705>>126946677I misread a citation from Volkov's book on censorship in the Soviet Classical scene. It said that contemporaries like Rachmaninoff and Prokofiev disliked movie scores. But it sounded dramatized and narrativistic sort of history, trying to cast all the composers as hating each other.
Bach
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=0TAg5H81xh4&si=ns8CUwpQCvhCARCn
>>126946783kathleen battle looks like THAT?
>The significance of the classical heritage must be fully restored. The danger of destruction threatening music from the formalist trend must be stressed and this trend must be condemned as an assault upon the edifice of the art created by the great masters of musical culture. Our composers must reorient themselves and turn towards their people. All of them must realise that our party, expressing the interests of our state and our people, will support only a healthy and progressive trend in music, the trend of Soviet socialist realism.
>>126946801No idea, but it is very good. I need to check out more of Newmanโs cantatas.
Glenn Gould Gรถtterdรคmmerung
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuBcA5rMqkE
Handel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_VLEt9_xK0
>The cheapest Esteve classical guitars are now over $1000 in my country
What's the fucking point? I'll never play Bach lute suites now....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciSFwdD_gWE
>>126946898You should see my classical guitar
>>126946897Doesnโt sound like Handel, does it?
Try this instead,
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=rbwCNm36ex4&si=qlai4_CeWR2zzL8K
>>126946933Itโ was about ยฃ60, the saddle is a folded up piece of cardboard, itโs covered in dust and scuff marks and the fret markers are painted on with nail paint.
I just got it as a present though, I donโt really play classical on it nor am I particularly good at it
>>126946897>>126946973It sounds like a bumblebee
>>126946991You need a foot stand. You can play like this with practice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NqeFqt4qXY
>>126947020 I actually was learning that at one point. I donโt remember how far I got with it
I don't really care for Mozart's piano concertos, sorry
>>126947140Don't be sorry for us, be sorry for yourself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi8vJ_lMxQI
Mozart's Requiem is the best Requiem
It's even good that JoJo used it to appeal to the masses more
now playing
start of Schubert: Piano Sonata No. 19 in C Minor, D. 958
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VovCNbNGB9I&list=OLAK5uy_lzrC3RihJ3mVMD3p0389iOG_OlWi3D-y8&index=2
start of Schubert: Piano Sonata No. 20 in A Major, D. 959
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8mpJ1AZp78&list=OLAK5uy_lzrC3RihJ3mVMD3p0389iOG_OlWi3D-y8&index=6
start of Schubert: Piano Sonata No. 21 in B-Flat Major, D. 960
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHb_sIJJcdk&list=OLAK5uy_lzrC3RihJ3mVMD3p0389iOG_OlWi3D-y8&index=10
start of Schubert: Piano Sonata No. 17 in D Major, Op. 53, D. 850 "Gasteiner"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gtzfqu1IJ2c&list=OLAK5uy_lzrC3RihJ3mVMD3p0389iOG_OlWi3D-y8&index=13
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lzrC3RihJ3mVMD3p0389iOG_OlWi3D-y8
>>126947184https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS91p-vmSf0
>>126947169It's pretty fantastic, and its best quality, like a lot of Mozart's music, is how immediately appealing it is. The moment you start listening to it -- and you can really jump into it at any point too -- you're instantly greeted by some of the most gorgeously catchy choral music you've ever heard. Other Requiems, like Berlioz's and Brahms' and Verdi's, even though they obviously have great melodies too, are best enjoyed holistically. For example, I feel like if I showed a friend Berlioz's Requiem, for a good while I'd be going, "wait, wait, keep listening for a bit longer, it'll get good," whereas Mozart's Requiem requires no patience or time to get going. That was a large part of Mozart's genius.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZX_XCYokQo
Still my favourite video of Leonard Bernstein and Glenn Gould for that matter. Him explaining the way a conductor has to interpret the music for a layman audience is really cool.
>>126947276You're now only allowed to make your jokes if you listen to the music too.
>>126947287k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnhPdA4OfEk
>>126947184Arch rival of Leif Ove Andsegagenesis
Doesn't Shostakovich sound almost jazzy here? Maybe it's just the recording but it seems ragtime almost
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azFHiEh1jhk
>>126947261Thanks for sharing, that's a great video. Good demonstration and explication on the malleable interpretive possibilities of Bach's music. I'm sure for some performers and musicologists it must be frustrating, not knowing exactly what Bach had in mind, but for other musicians and for the listener, it provides a limitless, boundless, imaginative foundation of creativity.
>>126947336charming
>>126947355lol not bad
>>126947357Not surprising, Shostakovich had plenty of Jazz influence at times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZE0aHaBors
and this album of Shosta Waltzes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCto5IC2EWo&list=OLAK5uy_mQ3K4c9efn5zmaTqqFLXP7veOXpqrzTRU&index=3
>>126929358I LOVE the 'drop,' the liftoff, the escalation which happens in the third movement of Mahler's 3rd, I always, always listen for it in recordings, and some pull it off well and some don't. It happens about a minute after this linked timestamp at 12:00
https://youtu.be/a3jFUCaX1N4?si=KxK53sywJOaM2eVS&t=660
Powerful. Beautiful. Cosmic.
Holy shit, Prokofiev is way more Russian looking than I thought. He has a pure Russian face. And the way he sits at a piano seems really Russian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkRS8hPgn5k
>>126929358>>126947460Here's it in Bernstein's recording
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS98Egfj3qU&list=OLAK5uy_kbMnrl0xUC-QhDK2FMUNky4qGf-aAVoZU&index=16
Are music degrees in classical performance worth it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkP33esCi5g
>In writing this symphony, Beethoven had been thinking of Bonaparte, but Bonaparte while he was First Consul. At that time Beethoven had the highest esteem for him, and compared him to the greatest consuls of Ancient Rome. Not only I, but many of Beethoven's closer friends, saw this symphony on his table, beautifully copied in manuscript, with the word "Bonaparte" inscribed at the very top of the title-page and "Ludwig van Beethoven" at the very bottom ... I was the first to tell him the news that Bonaparte had declared himself Emperor, whereupon he broke into a rage and exclaimed, "So he is no more than a common mortal! Now, too, he will tread under foot all the rights of Man, indulge only his ambition; now he will think himself superior to all men, become a tyrant!" Beethoven went to the table, seized the top of the title-page, tore it in half and threw it on the floor. The page had to be recopied, and it was only now that the symphony received the title Sinfonia eroica.
>>126944593I'm working my way through this cycle from the beginning and I gotta say, the performances of the early piano sonatas are really something. They do a good job of making them sound substantial. In a lot of cycles they come across as throwaways, rough and flawed music from Beethoven's early stages, which is understandable, and it gets amplified by the pianist's performance, but here in Levit's, they're played as if they were masterpieces, and he makes a compelling case for them; you'll leave somewhat convinced after listening to it. The Jonathan Biss set had me feeling the same way, and in that cycle's case, it was deliberate and the pianist explicitly says so, that they view all of Beethoven's piano sonatas as masterpieces. Anyhow, give it a try,
3rd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=actV0ehgS40&list=OLAK5uy_nEuDnoVXeKKtQu3GL0hOVgE_zRlftFDpY&index=10
4th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_HWjjDB5Yc&list=OLAK5uy_nEuDnoVXeKKtQu3GL0hOVgE_zRlftFDpY&index=14
5th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOTK-QsN-6U&list=OLAK5uy_nEuDnoVXeKKtQu3GL0hOVgE_zRlftFDpY&index=18
6th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqaR9JhFpE0&list=OLAK5uy_nEuDnoVXeKKtQu3GL0hOVgE_zRlftFDpY&index=20
I'm excited to see how he handles 9-13, the ones between Pathetique and Moonlight which often get overlooked and forgotten, always really liked those ones.
Anyway, any other recs for sets/pianists that perform the early period Beethoven piano sonatas well? Of course, performing the named and the late period pieces well is paramount, the real heart of a set, but I'm in the mood for the other piano sonatas at the moment.
>>126947629One of the all-time great classical music stories. Hell, in all of the arts.
>>126947544If you spend all day thinking about classical music and want to do it, then you should.
>>126947684I heard they're very selective; they didn't let my friend in and he's the best guitarist I know.
>>126947638Dieter Zechlin
wait a second, Hurwitz gave the Vanska/Minnesota Beethoven set a 10-10 rating? huh, gotta check it out. Anyone familiar?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_7vTY2TRT8&list=OLAK5uy_lJrh8t0ADGJdSnDY2iGtkfiBhZmLNqJ9E&index=5
Brahms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYrssvQmDQo
>>126947692Find out what your friend did wrong; donโt do that.
Nielsen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g76bhItjMcU&list=OLAK5uy_lYQMGJDZMdSZC0Q_ZKmVrDpkAzqnoqAAU
>>126947767He probably wasnโt a black lesbian
>>126947919Nah, he's a really abrasive punk rocker. He has "asocial" tattooed all over his body and used to burn cigarettes on me.
>>126947715It's fine and well proportioned, but I have to say it didn't really excite me. It's too well behaved for my tastes lol
>>126948086>It's fine and well proportioned, but Ihave to say it didn't really excite me
Girls have said the same thing to me
>>126948086I feel that. Similar to Vanska's Sibelius and Mahler.
>>126947715Looks fresh and should have great sonics. Listening.
>>126948106Aww
Thoughts on metal that uses classical music?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiJE7HErVfE
>>126947482That's a good moment. That whole section is rich with first-second violin interplay (and, well, antiphonal effects from the whole orchestra) so I personally really want to hear it with an orchestra that uses the traditional seating that Mahler wrote with in mind.
https://youtu.be/APL3kiNCBaY?list=RDAPL3kiNCBaY&t=3147
Most noticeable starting here (411), where you can hear the music start in the first violins and then it's carried over into the second violins, creating this wonderful stereophonic effect. Mahler in general is filled to the brim with interplay between the first and second violins, so it's always a bit of a shame to me that most of the great recordings use the modern orchestra layout where they're bundled together. You lose a lot of the cool effects he wrote.
>>126948217When it references famous themes from a classical composer it's kind of lame, but using symphonic/orchestral stuff (when done well, like Dimmu Borgir) is pretty cool. Also lead guitarists who play neoclassical guitar solos like Children of Bodom and Avenged Sevenfold are pretty sick, even if the rest of the song is in drop D power chords or a blues scale or something.
Thoughts on experimental rock that uses classical?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8vVZVr3d0Fc&pp=ygUkVGhlIHJpdHVhbCBpbnZvY2F0aW9uIG9mIHRoZSBwdW1wa2lu
Kuhlau
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNMDrfUPBfs&list=OLAK5uy_nSu2gqaYHxKjF-ubGgFCufqiRJqn0pIaE
>>126948217>>126948322>>126948415not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
>>126948306Sexy. That is one of the best 3rds of all-time for a reason!
Anyone else unable to listen to certain recordings because the attractive woman performer on the cover looks too much like an ex or potential lover they blew it with, so looking at and listening to it just brings up too many unpleasant feelings?
>>126949495I've been asexual since I got on anti-psychotics
>>126949495Weirdly specific
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got recommended this recording for Chopin's Preludes. Ingrid Fliter. Let's see how it is. She also has a Nocturnes and Waltz set, and a couple other odds and bits of Chopin pieces (ex. piano sonata no. 3, some Mazurkas, Impromptu, piano concertos).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvfXAohJXEM&list=OLAK5uy_no_CyvrLENbGcjOM62x4eHmfEYpbX_L00&index=2
>The five stars are just a formality--this one goes straight to the Hall of Fame. I've been collecting classical recordings for fifty years, but rarely have I been so stunned and mesmerized upon hearing a new disc. In my opinion, Ingrid Fliter has graced us with the most interesting and accomplished performance of the preludes since Moravec's 1965 classic for Connoisseur Society. I have at least two dozen recordings of these pieces and have heard them many times in concert halls. I'm frankly astonished that someone so young has developed such a wise and mature perspective on these twenty-four gems. There is not a weak performance, or for that matter even a perfunctory note, on the entire disc.
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>Two major recordings of the Preludes have appeared in the past five years, and I haven't found myself returning to Ashkenazy or anyone else since their appearance. The first is the remarkable version of Alexandre Tharaud on Harmonia Mundi. He does make some interesting choices about tempi in some pieces, but these choices work -- and as a whole, he plays the pieces with effortless virtuosity, drawing out their inherent musicality.
>And then there's this release from Ingrid Fliter. I'm pretty sure this is the most perfect performance of these little jewels that I've ever heard.
high praise!
>>126949538Ah, damn, I know how that goes. No past lovers to inspire the feeling though? Or have the meds removed any and all lingering sting from the fallout? Fair enough.
>>126949541Hey, the feel is the feel.
>>126949693I am kissless, hugless, and handholdless.
>>126949693>Ah, damn, I know how that goes. Sorry to hear.
>No past lovers to inspire the feeling though? I jack off to porn mainly and only think about my ex when I'm anxious and need comfort.
>Or have the meds removed any and all lingering sting from the fallout? Fair enough.I'm just not as horny as I was. I can still cum and even tried fucking guys. But I'm not the same person.
>>126949663>piano sonata no. 3I'm listening to that rn, but I'll go on another round with her recording in a bit
>>126949703Oh. Well, the peaks of classical music are just as good as any of those experiences.
>>126949725Hmm, guess all I can say is I hope the tradeoff with the meds between the benefits and cost is worth it.
>>126949725thank you pedarast
>>126948086I think everything he's done with Minnesota is like that. His first Sibelius cycle with Lahti is good though.
>>126949728Nice, hopefully it's good/you like it.
>>126949735>Hmm, guess all I can say is I hope the tradeoff with the meds between the benefits and cost is worth it.I'm not crazy anymore but that also means that my grandiosity is gone. So I don't have any motivation to make art as well anymore. I think lots of composers had megalomania or grandiosity.
>>126949495>>126949725The absolute state of /classical/
This video is really funny for some reason.
https://youtu.be/KLrFMSYg--I
>>126949766don't blame me, blame this album cover
FUCK I BLEW IT
ok sorry that one is my bad. can't even look at this thing
>>126949808thanks pedarast
>>126949818That's Kyung-Wha Chung on the cover, who is a woman, not Kirill Kondrashin.
>her face when she comes over and i'm listening to Scriabin
>>126949783Sitar sounds so good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o5npd-KS5s
>>126949912It's a cool instrument. There's been attempts to integrate it into Western classical.
https://youtu.be/V_nrMxx5pBQ?list=OLAK5uy_mpVDah23XAEsPMDuaGk_orwb_qEBhKF8M
>>126949960>1971Makes sense. It was massive in the 60s. And I guess it takes a while for the classical music world to take on board counterculture stuff.
>>126949818If you prefer adult women you can't be trusted with matters of aesthetics
>>126950004Why so early, this might get nuked, idiot
>>126950079I'd agree but they've got blessed quads, so they're off the hook
Sibelius' claim to revolution comes not from making the tonal center unstable (which he did, both polytonally and modally, notably in the Fourth, Sixth, and Seventh symphonies), but in his total obliteration of form. Schoenberg latched himself to form and motif as the structure of his works; Bartok did so by creating tonal centers of gravity that didn't rely on standard tonality, and the folk rhythms of Hungary and the Balkans. Szymanowski drifted to folk rhythms of Poland, Stravinsky to just about everything under the sun, but early on he drifted to repetition characteristic of Russian folk music. Ravel loved his dances; Debussy made great use of the major triad, even if it wasn't used to indicate a precise tonal center. Every work must have a precedent, something for the ears to hear and understand as the basis. The basis for Sibelius was the tonal center and the general sound of a piece. The Fifth Symphony seems to concatenate entire sections into one and in one instance it overlays two separate tempos up against one another. The Sixth is semi-structured in typical form of a symphony, but the forms of those movements is subject to severe speculation. The Seventh turns the entire structure of a symphony on its head.
It's easy to deny the modernism of Sibelius because it is not obvious. But study reveals the work of an unrelenting modernist that was hiding just beneath the facade of late Romanticism. Sibelius is also a master of rhythm and form, as well of modality. He's a great "quiet" innovator. Perhaps one reason Sibelius has attracted both the praise and the ire of critics is that in each of his seven symphonies he approached the basic problems of form, tonality, and architecture in unique, individual ways. On the one hand, his symphonic (and tonal) creativity was novel, while others thought that music should be taking a different route.
>>126950107There are things in Sibelius's symphonies that music had never done before, new kinds of sounds at the outer limits of orchestral possibility. At one pole of his imagination are the evocations of epic landscapes, as in the unforgettable big tunes at the end of the Second or Fifth. At the other, there's the microscopic detail of his orchestration, the subtlety and shimmer of his string-writing-- as if Sibelius had taken the lens of his musical imagination and zoomed in on individual pine needles in the vast forests of his Finnish homeland.
The quarter-century journey from the hyper-romantic four movements of the First, written on the cusp of the 20th century, to the convention-smashing single-movement of the Seventh, is one of the most astonishing stories in the history of music. Sibelius started his symphonic life in the throes of a love affair with the Russian and German Romantics, like Tchaikovsky and Bruckner, and ended it by opening up a new way of thinking about musical space and time. His symphonies didn't just brilliantly capture the ghostliness of the Finnish landscape-- they were also way ahead of their time.
Sibelius's later symphonies plunge into a darker, interior world, above all with the agonised dissonances of the Fourth. While it's true the Fifth ends with another big tune, a majestic horn melody that Sibelius conjured after seeing a flock of swans in flight, the piece also contains some of the strangest textures in the orchestral repertoire: shimmers, tremors, and shades. The avant-garde experiments of Gyรถrgy Ligeti and Iannis Xenakis are simply extensions of what Sibelius was up to in the likes of the Fifth. Sibelius was such a brilliant creator, we are still trying to find out what he really did.
>>126950122Sibelius progressively stripped away formal markers of sonata form in his work and, instead of contrasting multiple themes, focused on the idea of continuously evolving cells and fragments culminating in a grand statement. His later works are remarkable for their sense of unbroken development, progressing by means of thematic permutations and derivations. The completeness and organic feel of this synthesis has prompted some to suggest that Sibelius began his works with a finished statement and worked backwards, although analyses showing these predominantly three- and four-note cells and melodic fragments as they are developed and expanded into the larger "themes" effectively prove the opposite.
Symphony No. 7 in C major was his last published symphony. Completed in 1924, it is notable for having only one movement. It has been described as "completely original in form, subtle in its handling of tempi, individual in its treatment of key and wholly organic in growth". Tapiola, Sibelius's last major orchestral work, was premiered on 26 December 1926. It is inspired by Tapio, a forest spirit from the Kalevala. To quote the American critic Alex Ross, it "turned out to be Sibelius's most severe and concentrated musical statement." Even more emphatically, the composer and biographer Cecil Gray asserts: "Even if Sibelius had written nothing else, this one work would entitle him to a place among the greatest masters of all time.
>>126924931 (OP)Big fan of Satie so I'm interested in Les Six. Was there anything posted in this thread from them?
>>126951245>>126951263There was one Honegger recording posted above, actually guys.
>>126951245>>126951263but if you're interested try Honegger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQB1y8BQ-Hg
Sofronitsky >>> Ashkenazy for Scriabin Sonatas
thoughts? please no LettBERG posting
>>126951367Sweetie you forgot the Lettberg again. It's time to get back to the disciplinary chamber.
>>126951379but i didn't forget, did you not read the post?
>>126951367how about Elina Christova instead
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