Thread 126936925

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How to sound design bass

>>126936932
It's literally the easiest thing to sound design anon

>>126936932
layer some basses

how do I kill myself with additive synthesis

just found a very awesome tiktok sample of some girl babbling and being silly imma use it in a drop it's gonna be soo epic`
:D

>>126937065
Cool concept but too many high kinda annoying frequencies from the snares and hihats, and they're too loud in general needs some mastering
And some variation ofc
>>126937142
DAMN
Veeery nice, good job anon
>>126937158
For a beat it's nice, I guess it depends what you use it for. Love the juicy bass
>>126937288
>>126937395
I'm starting to think you're the same guy as the one above this kek. Not really much to add

Reposting from previous thread:
https://voca.ro/1aZ2CDdyalEg
how do you feel about the L/R pan for the mecha startup sounds?
should I just center it? I feel like it sounds more kino this way. Or maybe even MORE pan?

>>126937470
yea i dont like the first one im just here to get inspired to make something without the same mumble rap hi hat

>>126936932
Sinewave for sub-bass. Should never ever go below E1. Add some other oscillators on top of that with whatever sound and in whatever octave you like.

>>126936925 (OP)
Tried to do what was suggested last thread - added a guitar line over the second verse as well. Raised backing vocals, tried to bring snare out more, added a mix bus to glue all tracks together. Might be a bit too busy. Let me know your thoughts.

Gypsy Tricks - Untamed
https://vocaroo.com/12kXrd4nYF9w

Summary
>Just got done recording and mixing and mastering a pop-punk song. Wrote it for a girl I've been seeing.
>Spent a lot of time refining this but I'd like some feedback on ANYTHING that needs improvement. I want it to blow her socks off when I show her. She's a phenomenal singer and I'd like her to take this as an example of the quality of work I do, because I'd love to help her record and put out some original songs.

>>126937644
i like using serum and using the harmonic series wavetable to make basses like that . it sounds like a house bass kinda

>>126937479
NO SHILLING IN PROD

>>126937718
cool track anon, I listened to both versions and I'm not sure which one I like more. The compression was a nice addition but I think you went too far with it.
Main vocals are a bit quiet. Also something about the voice or melody reminds me of Dream - Mask (any zoomers ITT??), but I think it's cute.
Something happens to the sound at 0:58 which is distracting, It's as if the guitars are recorded by a phone suddenly.
In this version the drums a bit loud at 2:33, while in the first post it's fine. I think that's a consequence of the compressor you put on - there's not much else to duck the sound of the drums so they're playing at full blast.

>>126938202
ah yes the reddit vst

my circus tier creation, please enjoy and let the merry-go-round horse show you the way, made with surge xt synth and thrift store midi keyboard
https://vocaroo.com/16Hcd68E1t3e

>>126938975
>>126937470
>>126937395
>>126937288
>>126937158
>>126937065

All of these are laughably bad, dry and uninteresting. They feel off. Can you actually try?

>>126939223
>(You)
There anon, are you happy now? Less bored?
Touch grass.

>>126939223
I agree

>>126937718
cool 2010's esque pop-punk. lay off the pitch correction a bit tho.
doing a pop-punk track to impress a chick sounds like the plot to a disney movie, by the way.
bridge is cool. like the ghostly vocals.

I installed around $1000 worth of plug-ins today.

>>126940777
post music?

how do i stop sucking?

>>126937718
why is this music always a veneer for abusive alcoholics who rape women?

>>126940785
being gay is a choice anon, just like not practicing, which you can choose not to do

average /prod/ poster

>>126940820
being gay is not a choice, but neglecting your creative outlets is. i agree with you but you gotta find a better analogy

>real shitposting hours
see you guys later

>>126940828
yes anon, that was the anti-joke

>>126940840
>that was the anti-joke
apply yourself

>>126940850
i'm more applied than anyone here ever has been or will be.
i'm applying right now.
i've been applying kid.
(mental) rain or shine i apply every fucking day fuck off me

>>126940782
I didn't say I paid for these plug-ins. I swore off posting music here because everyone here is so negative about everything and just British people who only understand British DnB sub-genre bullshit.

>>126940868
yeah mate i believe you

>>126940828
>being gay is not a choice
it is. just not yours but your uncle's or your priest's

>>126940872
>having a priest
LOOOOOOOOOOL

>>126940869
rent free

>>126940869
anglos own you

>>126940869
I posted my classical here before and people liked it, maybe you're just bad? My uncle bought like $15k of synths and other gear but only makes boring 4 bar loops. Maybe your music is actually good and you just live rent free in someone's head?

>>126940871
thanks that means a lot
well, not really but i appreciate it.
well... actually i don't idk why i'm still posting

>>126940872
>>126940878
i sat through so many fucking church lectures and probably the dumbest one was a whole fucking video about "we don't hate you if you're gay BUT you're definitely going to hell and getting prostate cancer ;) (we don't care about gay women though and not even mentioning it) and also *technically* you can't consummate a marriage by definition under the law so checkmate fags!!"
lowkey i miss smoking in the church bathrooms before every meeting that was kind of a vibe

>>126940892
>>126940906
It is after 2am, go to sleep.

>>126940965
I dont even live there im just ethnically british

>>126938271
i'm giving my ears a break i've been listening to this song for the last 3 days straight editing and working on it. i'll definitely check out the compresison issues you're talking about when my ears have reset tomorrow. i noticed the guitar was picking up interference from the audiobox or something becuase there *are* some guitar tracks that somehow have very very faint vocal tracks bleeding into them and i went fully DI for all these guitar parts. that might be what you're referring to.

>>126940603
haha thanks, i'm a bit of a hopeless romantic...also we played in a band together years ago and both of us love music. she's been a huge inspiration for me lately. its corny. it's cheesy. but its genuine. and hopefully she digs it.

>>126940869
i've seen a multitude of styles of music posted here over my time popping in and out. maybe it's your attitude friend. try being more positive.

i'm probably never using this but i just needed to copy it because learning etc etc waow fun sleep nao pls :3

https://vocaroo.com/1mLpqs02VQYx

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0RhTkzoXc4

This song was generated using Microsoft Music Producer from 1997. All I did was replace the MIDI instruments w/ synths and samples.
https://vocaroo.com/1hUqLeKCLVjo
Y'all were cooked from the start!

how does this sound?
https://vocaroo.com/1ap7jfX0QheL

>>126941918
reminds me of this https://youtu.be/Ztr8ypAhdHo?feature=shared
>>126941958
sounds great to me but i dont listen to rock music much

>>126941993
>sounds great to me but i dont listen to rock music much
cool

>>126939223
why are they bad i mean at least u can tell me how right?

always the same unhelpful troon saying wow thats bad and has no music worth sharing

>>126938975
>https://vocaroo.com/16Hcd68E1t3e

ok fine, but what do you want to do with this track?
This matters based on how we critique your song.

Found this old game I used to play as a kid and came across this music:
https://youtu.be/JZmFB7K6fzE?list=PLC10A4EDC7F7311F2&t=158

What kind of synths were they using back then? This was in the late 90s. I hear the 303 in there but there's some other interesting textures and stuff in there. Also a sick 7/4 groove. Anyone got any ideas? I'm not very good with synths or even how to make these type of sounds. I guess you'd consider this kind of acid or psy-type shit?

>>126940808
sounds like projection mate

>>126942608
im not an alcoholic

>>126942831
um, what about the other parts??

Yeah this general has been absolutely ass lately
>effortposters basically instinct
>constant influx of "this sux lol" mass repliers without zero explanation
>resident schizos are bolder than ever
>shills also regularly spam their slop
What the fuck happened? It wasn't as bad as this even 2 months ago

>>126942880
yeah what about them mate???????

>>126942893
And then there's your genre of post. The eternal complainer

>>126942893
>>resident schizos are bolder than ever
whats wrong with that?

do you guys think you look cool when you're producing music?

WHY DOES MY BASS ALWAYS SO SOUND SHIT

>run synth through the guitar buss
>slips right into the mix
any other hacks i should know about?

>>126944134
mix into the glue

>>126941049
Do you use a cheap audio interface?
Crosstalk/sound leak issues can happen with cheapee interfaces, ESPECIALLY behringer interfaces.

>>126943721
No I look like a retarded gremlin giggling to my self and making stank faces
>>126943828
Probably too broad of a frequency range, too loud or too low. Or all three combined

>>126759137 help

>>126945354
Get the latest off rutracker

>>126937065
sound selection is really bad and it appears to be clipping too, making it sound even worse.
>>126937142
lead synth is nice
vocal chops could do with being louder
buildup at 1:20 is great
daft punk vibe around 1:20 - 1:40
kind of a weird ending, felt like you didn't know how it should climax...
Overall really really good anon, I'd love to know how this was made. What synths/etc. you use.
>>126937158
>>126937288
>>126937395
I don't like the hithats & claps, they have no impact.
synths sound meh and are too dry
the 808 bassline is the best part tbqh
that last one is just a shitpost, you didn't even try to be subtle that time.
>>126937470
>how do you feel about the L/R pan
it's hard to really say without the full context of thre rest of the track, but I don't think it's a good idea. Alternating between hard L/R panning to make something "sound interesting" usually doesn't work and is imo quite cheesy, change up how it sounds instead or play around with its width instead. Personally, I'd have all of them centered but process the final "all systems online" with a vocal doubler or similar to add width, maybe even mess with it using a pitch shifter too.
>>126937718
I think there's some weird phase issue happing about 1 minute in
I find the crash/ride coming out the right throughout the majority of the song really distracting
I re-listened to the previous version >>126932381 which I feel sounds better overall.
The newer edit is fatiguing to listen to, I think you over-compressed it. However, the in the previous version the vocal doesn't quiet sit in the mix and the drums lack punch.
It's really close to being a great mix, but both versions are a bit off imo.
>>126938975
there's something unsettling about this
nice composition tho
not a lot to critique as a mix
>>126941918
kick is too loud
lead synth bit too quiet
snare(?) drum hit too quiet
I like that epiano
over 2 minutes in now, starting to feel repetitive. I feel the beat/perc should have a change up by now

(cont. from >>126945517)


>>126941958
seems to be lacking low-end, can't really feel the bass
delay on the guitar is overlapping other guitar transients, making it lose clarity and sound sorta mushy.
drums sounding pretty good
I'd like to hear the full song when it's ready

>>126945517
Based effortposter
Thanks for the feedback

>>126944601
what does that mean

>>126945535
>seems to be lacking low-end, can't really feel the bass
i have a lot of trouble with mixing bass. still working out the amp sim. i need to experiment more
>I'd like to hear the full song when it's ready
appreciate the vote of confidence

>>126946317
It's a Kylie Minogue song

>>126946317
NTA but I assume he means a top-down mixing approach, while keeping a "gluey" compressor on the master as a means to keep things sounding more cohesive from the early stages of recording/mixing.

If you don't know, the "glue" typically refers to a gentle mix compressor (it used to specifically refer to the SSL console's bus compressor, which afaik is a VCA compressor), not all kinds of compressors will sound right used this way but the gist is that you want a slightly slower attack and fast release - dialing the release time until it feels right with the groove of the track (note: some bus compressors have an auto release which can work ok, while in other cases you'll want to adjust the release time to match the song's tempo), and a realtively light gain reduction of maybe just 4db. If what I'm saying still does not make sense to you, don't worry about it too much and try to learn what you can about the different types of compressors and being able to hear what they sound like (some are pretty subtle to "hear", including these gentle gluey compressors, listening through proper speakers or good headphones may help)

Some DAWs have a "glue" compressor as stock, such as Ableton's "The Glue", or Reason's SSL Master Bus Compressor, so it's worth checking in case your DAW has a stock one.

Personally, I like to use a gentle "gluey" compressor on my master, followed by a limiter. I keep these present basically from the very start, that's why it's "top-down" mixing, I am literally starting with the end of the chain first, and everything before (or "below") that is kneeling into my preferred compressor. I then balance the mix as I go until it hopefully sounds nice and brushes the compressor just right. I don't do any mix EQ until the level balance sounds right. I'm not saying this to be an authority on how to mix, as there isn't really an objective answer, just sharing one method that's worked for me.

What are your favorite ways to process an E. Piano sound?

>>126945152
yeah it's a 90 dollar Presonus Audiobox USB 96. It's annoying but I still got some pretty decent stuff out of it. I want to upgrade to a Focusrite Scarlet. i used to use my buddies and it was definitely nicer than this.

>>126945517
untamed anon here, thanks for the review. unfortunately i didn't save the mix i did as a separate project so i'm pretty sure i've lost it since i moved on. lesson learned - every mix i like i need to save to a different project cause now i'm like 5 iterations past that original mix down. i think it still sounds great for what it is having been done in my room on a computer lol. definitely agree the compression is a bit much on the second mix i posted, and i think the left panned guitar is a bit much over the verse. i do like it but it's just a bit out of place and too busy. i think i'm going to show her the original mix.

>>126946542
Great insight for those who have never mixed before. Gainstage properly before jumping into EQ. The moment you start touching EQs and you don't have every fader adjusted to accomodate the track is the moment every can get thrown out of wack and it can be hard to discern exactly what you just did and how it affect the way each track sits in the mix.

I also use this process for mixing, keeping a gentle compressor on the master and working everything into it. Another trick that is helpful is parallel compression and multi-stage compression. Learn how to use those and your mixes will sound way louder while maintianing dynamics, as well as giving you better control over the finer details of compressed tracks. it's nice to be able to compress something like a guitar to bring out the grittier tones while chopping back on overall volume and then EQ said track, take it to a bus where other guitar tracks are combined and then apply a "glue" compressor to it in order to make all the guitars maintain certain tones and levels separately but sound cohesive on one bus. it took me entirely too long to understand what the fuck is going on with compression but after 14 years i think i'm finally starting to come to grips with it. i think part of my issue was trying to mix and record live music in FL Studio. For some reason it just doesn't feel as good as Reason does.

>>126946975
>>126946542
don't listen to these retards
the best way to mix is to just leave everything at 0 and turn it down if it's too loud lmao
basically less is more, just nomixmaxx

>>126946931
I use a scarlett, never had any issues with mine. I used to use an m-audio fast track pro (gives some insight into how long I've been doing this...) and that thing was a dogturd with awful driver support. Although, I remember the scarlett's driver being a bit weird to install when I first got it ~5 years ago. Having said that, I wouldn't expect a presonus interface to have any major problems, afaik their hardware is quality.

>untamed
You should absolutely save separate project versions for each mix milestone. No idea what DAW you use, but I use Cubase nowadays and it's literally 1-click for me to save a new project version. A few of my rock mixes have like 20 saved versions in their project folder. I also make frequent use of "mix snapshots", but I'm not sure if other DAWs can do that.
Oh, and you should make a habit of taking notes of some of your mix decisions, especially anything that you think you could forget later. For example, when I'm tracking (recording) guitar/bass, I make a note of my tone/vol knobs, pickup selection, and even what pick I used that day and where on the neck I was playing. This autistic note-taking has saved my ass when I dust off a song I started 6 months ago and can still match the recorded tone very closely with new takes.

>>126947139
all good tips - thanks dude. i use reason. i don't think it has mix shapshots but i could have at least saved each mix i made. i have like 3 separate ones but i've remixed about 7-10 times now. I think I'm gonna leave it where it is. I'm pretty proud of where it is currently, but it definitely could use some tweaking still. But for the time being, my mixes are getting worse compared to what was originally my "final" mix. So I think it's time to step back for a bit lol

>>126946975
>Gainstage
I don't like that term as its meaning is so vague, but I get why you said it.
It's just, modern digital limiters (even many stock ones) are so good these days that you'd have to be trying really hard to get nasty distortion or clipping. So unless you're a complete newbie recording into your interface with gain cranked up (clipping the recording itself), you don't really need to worry about gain staging in digital audio anymore as most major DAWs now use floating point processing - simply put, the headroom you actually have while working is absolutely massive. You only need the final result (your rendered audio export) to be at a reasonable consumer level, and around -12 LUFS (integrated) is a good target.

I do tend to have a master level meter on my right screen that I glance at sometimes, so I suppose I am still in effect gain staging (usually hovering around -12 LUFS as I said, sometimes I'll go as loud as -7 LUFS).

>>126947090
>the best way to mix is to just leave everything at 0 and turn it down if it's too loud lmao
I mean, that's kind of what I do tbqh. That's (basically) what top-down mixing is.
I just have a compressor and limiter always present on the master so it doesn't get real nasty for my ears, and the compressor I use I know how to lean into it to make it sound good for the song, usually emphasizing the groove of the song.

That's why I like top-down mixing, it is so much simpler compared to tinkering with each thing separately where you can get lost in the sauce.

>>126947188
>all good tips - thanks dude. i use reason
Oh cool, I was using Reason for nearly 2 years so I'm quite familiar with it.
Reason's master bus compressor is really good and its default mastering chain is a reasonable (heh) starting point to use for a top-down mixing approach if you choose to adopt that approach. I actually switched from Reason to Cubase last year, because I got frustrated by Reason's sequencer and lack of project management tools (something Cubase is mega-autistic about), but I still open up Reason from time to time for the simplicity. I still use the Reason rack plugin frequently.
Are you familiar with SugarpillProductions? That channel is a goldmine for rock mixing & songwriting specifically using Reason, I strongly recommend it. Should be perfect for what you're doing.

I'd say take a break from Untamed for a full 24 hours, let it clear from your head, when you come back the problems should be more obvious then. You get ear fatigue if you keep trying to brute-force mix a song over and over again.

>>126947228
>I just have a compressor and limiter always present on the master
You already fucked up
You NEED to experience the earrape to know what sounds bad

>>126947281
No I hadn't heard of Sugarpill Productions but I'll check them out. I was using FL Studio for the last 10-12 years - it's a pain in the ass for live recording. So I tried Reason and I've really been enjoying it. It's got great stock plugins and I really like the workflow for recording. It definitely still has some UX improvements it could benefit from. I'm also still learning it, this was my first big project done entirely in Reason. And I'm very very happy with the outcome. FL Studio exporting is trash to be honest. No matter what I did nothing ever sounded the way it did in FL Studio.

>>126947316
I don't need to know what sounds bad.
I need to know what sounds good, faster.
If everything sounds gooder with my bus compressor, why would I want to bypass it?

>>126947742
>I don't need to know what sounds bad.
>I need to know what sounds good, faster.
unless you're an incompetent retard it's literally the same thing
>If everything sounds gooder with my bus compressor, why would I want to bypass it?
congrats on creating a sloppy muddy mess I guess

>>126947523
Reason's virtual rack is fantastic, and the stock sound library is (imo) the best out of any DAW's stock sounds - to the extent that some of Reason's synths & effects are easily as good if not better than some top third party ones. Conversely, Reason is sorely lacking sampled instruments (outside of some very old NN-19/NNXT libraries, which largely don't hold up imo), but you could say that about every DAW's stock libraries & soundfonts (besides maybe Logic Pro?) so it's whatever. I think Reason's biggest weakness is its sequencer, followed by its lack of "advanced" mixing/mastering workflow features. You have to do a little more setup yourself to A/B compare something in Reason, and you have to go out of your way to save new versions of a project (even on the latest Reason 13.3, there is still no way to setup a 1-click or key command to save a new project version...it would be so trivial for them to implement), but nope you gotta open the save prompt and type a filename every time and it doesn't even remember the project folder - Reason doesn't even really have a concept of project folders; or a backup system, for that matter. Those are the sorts of things that pushed me towards grabbing Cubase during a sale, although ironically I did consider switching to FL Studio instead.

It's hard to recommend Cubase, however, as it has a much steeper learning curve than most other DAWs and it honestly one of the jankiest DAWs I've used with its weird quirks and glitches. But for me, its pros outweigh the cons.

>>126947904
Nobody has told me my mixes sound like mud since I adopted this approach
[spoiler]although I was half-joking, I do bypass the compressor occasionally while level balancing.[/spoiler]

>>126945517
>snare(?) drum hit too quiet
There is no snare drum.
>over 2 minutes in now, starting to feel repetitive. I feel the beat/perc should have a change up by now
Sorry, can't interfere with the flow established by the machine. What do you think I am, a musician?

>>126948865
what's that percussion hit at e.g. 2:28?
a taiko?
a compressed timpani?

im trying a new style, freddie dredd/doomshop influence, relaxed but with heavy drums. i dont know if ive really hit the mark but i have 3 demos any criticism harsh or otherwise would be helpful even if you just think it sounds like shit

https://vocaroo.com/11vOTYDavV8W
https://vocaroo.com/1f6nVana4zqu
https://vocaroo.com/15CfAW362VCY

>>126948930
It's uhh Cymatics - Impact (Clash).wav

>>126937718
something weird happens at 1 minute
the drum fill at 1.14 is incongruous.
the chuggy guitar in the second verse is still my issue, maybe i just don't like it more than any technical aspect. i don't feel like the rhythm of it works. also at 1.35 (when it becomes the pre-chours?) there are 3 different guitar riffs plus singing, seems a lot.
my main issues with the last version were the snare and how it didn't sound whole, but this sounds like a band's CD from the past. i'd say this is a definite improvement on the last mix you posted for sure.

>>126943721
no i am sat at a desk looking at a screen while wearing headphones. there is nothing cool about it.

>>126943828
covid vaccine nanoparticles fill your lungs and deaden the vibrations you should be feeling in your chest.

>>126945354
it is good enough. get a copy of the free Ableton Lite for time stretching stuff if you need to timestretch well.

>>126946542
ssl on the master should only be tickled at times. "tickle the master" is the phrase. a half db, one db max reduction at peaks is what the master should be doing.

>>126948939
Competent but kind of boring. You have a good foundation to experiment from

>>126949061
kys

>>126949095
no its tongue the signal

Oh, clap!

https://voca.ro/1923GfBjhaFJ
first time posting in prod. i know my stuff needs a lot of work. I really dont know what im doing.

do any of you make your own synth presets? how did you git gud?

>>126936925 (OP)
Wel /prod/, I'm a beginner at recording and I recorded this cover of The Meeting Place, by The Last Shadow Puppets today

https://voca.ro/1m5vUIOeR4wT

Thoughts?

>>126949959
Welcome, fellow dentist.
>>126949594
Watch too big. 36mm case max is where it's at.

>>126949971
literally just practice a lot and read the manualz

>>126948939
>11vOTYDavV8W
beat is good, but musically it's boring. It kind of sounds like a bunch of samples & loops slapped together, whether that is the case or not idk. It doesn't really express anything.
>1f6nVana4zqu
similar to above, but if you turned up the spongebob(?) samples it could be more amusing
>15CfAW362VCY
I think this has the most potential of the three

For all 3 of your vocaroos, the drums are just a little too loud compared to the rest of the mix. Sound selection/sampling seems fine tho.

>>126949959
the repetition is a bit boring, and the drums sound a bit meh. Consider looking into tools that could help you with drum sequencing or look into sampling drums (whichever you prefer). Alternatively, you could practice the shit out of fingerdrumming or even get a real drummer. Sticking to the same chord progression for this long without enough variation happening feels boring to listen to, you may want to look into common songwriting structures.
If you are truly brand new to production / mixing, then this you've got a long journey ahead of you to learn.

>>126950061
>The Last Shadow Puppets
now there's a band I ain't listened to in a long while.

It's feels a slower tempo than the original, presumably intentional?
Vocals waver a bit flat here and there but aren't bad overall, some vocal correction (e.g. Melodyne) may help even things out a bit.
Mix-wise, I think I'm hearing some low-end buildup muddying the mix, mostly from the acoustic guitar by the sound of it.
The low strings(?) you've panned also ain't doing the mix any favors, feels like some low end "rumblyness" coming out the right speaker around 0:50. It's usually a good idea to keep low end sounds centered. The original song (as far as I'm aware) has a bass guitar layered with the acoustic, but it doesn't appear that your cover has the bass guitar recorded in it (unless I just can't hear it properly in the mix idk)

>>126950477
>It's feels a slower tempo than the original, presumably intentional?
You are right!
>The low strings(?) you've panned also ain't doing the mix any favors, feels like some low end "rumblyness" coming out the right speaker around 0:50. It's usually a good idea to keep low end sounds centered. The original song (as far as I'm aware) has a bass guitar layered with the acoustic, but it doesn't appear that your cover has the bass guitar recorded in it (unless I just can't hear it properly in the mix idk)
Yeah, there is not any bass. Thanks for the info about the low; I didn't know that. I apprecite your feedback very much.

>>126950850
Some things you may want to try
>rolloff lows of the acoustic guitar using a low shelf or low cut, setting to around 100hz should be a good starting point but USE YOUR EARS to see if it sounds right
>often a good idea to boost acoustic guitar with a high shelf some point around 8khz-12khz, but again USE YOUR EARS as every guitar & mic is different!
>you could use a multiband stereo imager on a mix bus (or just your master track) to "forcibly" collapse low frequency sounds to mono, altho ideally you'd fix this more directly at the source of the issue of the offending instrument(s) causing it instead
Since this is a cover, you can make it easier on yourself by using the original song as a reference track, literally paste it into your DAW (you may need to lower the volume fader of your reference track a bit), and swap to between your cover and the original to hear how yours compares. This may be a bit trickier to compare with 1:1 since your cover is a slower tempo, tho.

If you have any questions like "what the fuck are you talking about?", feel free to ask.

>>126951049
Thanks!
>multiband stereo imager
What is that?

>>126951251
stereo imagers allow you to control the stereo width of a sound (that's the balance of the sound between the left & right speakers), basically
a multiband stereo imager allows you to control the stereo width across different frequency bands (a "frequency band" is basically a frequency range in this context), so a typical multiband stereo imager would provide you with a means to narrow the streo of low frequency sounds, without affecting higher frequency sounds. Some DAWs come with a stock (multiband) stereo imager, and they can be easier to use than you'd think in most cases. What DAW do you use?

>>126945517
>>126938271
>>126940603
>>126949026

FINAL MIX - until you guys chane my mind. I'm super happy with this one. God the guitars in the second verse to mesh a little nicer and the drums stand out still without taking away from the vocal. Vocal was raised up a tiny bit, about .7 db, it's all I could get before clipping happened. Shifted the cymbal from the hard right pan a little more towards center. EQ'd out some of the super high frequency crashing from said cymbal.

I also stereo panned some of the guitars a little more to give them more tonal definition so they weren't quite as glued together. Overall, for my first REAL attempt at a "professional" mix I am pretty proud of this. Thanks for the help everyone.

Gypsy Tricks - Untamed
https://vocaroo.com/1iLEZD6S3BAC

https://vocaroo.com/1eVuDt2V6UER
I'll just leave this here

>>126951570
Ok your mixes have been bothering me, this newest one still is not sounding right at all (especially comparing it to commercially released, well-mixed, songs), so I've taken a look at all 3 versions of Untamed that you've posted in a spectral analyser (pic related is Voxengo SPAN, which is free).
Notice how, in the pic (from your song at around the 55 second mark during the chorus) the frequency spectrum has a slight dip in the midrange (may or may not be a problem) with a big peak in the highs (definitely a problem). The balance is wrong and I think you may need to go back to the drawing board on how you've mixed this as it's a problem with all 3 versions of the song I've observed to varying degrees of severity. You can check this yourself using Voxengo SPAN (again, it's a free plugin and worth getting yourself familiar with as a reference)

There is too much high frequency buildup in your mix, but it's difficult for me to know the specific cause as it could the result of buildup across the whole mix from multiple instruments and not necessarily one specific culprit (although I am sus of your sizzly-ass cymbal that plays throughout most of the song)
I still think the first version you posted sounded the closest to "correct", but even that had scooped mids and lacking low end with some harshness in the highs as well.

Typically, you'd expect to see a gradual downward slope (peaking somewhere in the lows with a gradual decline the higher it goes), although this can vary depending on song/genre/etc. it's usually a good ballpark to expect a downward slope most of the time. Your mix has a pretty drastic peak in the highs.

It's difficult for me to say what you need to do to resolve the problems with your mix as idk how you recorded it or what exactly has been done in your session for it to get this way, but don't let it discourage you it's a part of the learning process.

By the way, what are you monitoring with?
and are you using reference tracks?

>>126951982
i dig the arrangement and composition. did you program drums for this? i'd recommend changing some of the velocity on some of the drum hits to give it a more natural sound. have you mixed this at all yet or is this just raw recorded tracks with some volume adjustments?

like what kind of feedback are you looking for in terms of production? only thing I can say is that it doesn't sound like it's compressed or mixed.

>>126952077
I used Everything Is Alright by Motion City for my reference track and I just got my Yamaha 5s speakers/monitors set up today from my other house. I was mixing on a shitty 20 dollar pair of headphones previously.

I'll check out the mix one last time, I really appreciate the thought and the criticism bro. I'll return.

>>126952078
Thanks
I did program drums, yeah. I changed velocities for the rolls and the crescendos but didn't worry too much about making them sound natural. Some effort went into post processing, but not a lot.
There's some EQ, reverb and several stages of compression on all of the tracks but I wouldn't say it's a "mix" yet. I've challenged myself to make a demo per week. The deadline is every Sunday at midnight (CET). Working on the kick and cowbell took longer than anticipated so I ran out of time.
I give these demos to a producer friend of mine before we head to the studio and re-record it all to make proper demos.
>feedback
None, I just wanted to share.

>>126946542
im actually using a replica of a FET compressor on one of the mix buses for parallel compression which seems to give the desire glue effect but also adds some character to the overall sound

>>126951570
I agree with >>126952077
Take a reference track and put it on an EQ and compare the spectrum to your track. Also at 2:58 there's another weird shift in sound similar to 0:59. You might have to re-record whatever parts are causing that (if its not something you put in the mix)

>>126952498
fuckoff cuckchan

>>126952522
i will not

>>126952100
>>126952077
>Gypsy Tricks - Untamed (Mix 10)
https://vocaroo.com/1aDvKKu9zw8W

Looks like it's some of the mixing I did on the vocals as a result of compensating for those cheaper headphones. Listening on my monitors again it's apparent there is way too much shimmer/air on the high end of the vocals. I had dipped the mids of the vocals to allow some more of the guitar to come through and apparently boosted the high end. That's what is resulting in that strange spectrograph.

Also found that the master compressor preset I had loaded was boosting treble higher than mids so I toned that down. I adjusted everything to what I think sounds a little better but now I feel it's lacking too much in the high end. Maybe my hearing is just fucked, which is obviously not good.

In short...
>changed mix bus compression to something more gentle. what i used had some treble boosting
>lowered high end of vocal track
>turned on SSL compression for a more subtle glue effect overall
>remixed guitars and panned with more intent
>removed the noodley guitar riff over the twinkly one, instead it switches to the twinkly one after the noodley one, less busy overall
>boosted mids in the vocals to give more fullness (might be lacking some presence now, lmk)
>did some mid-side EQ on the cymbal to further push it towards center in the mix
>readjusted some volumes to have vocals sit better in the mix
>boosted the low end on the drums to better match the reference track
>brought out the snare tone more in the low-mid range

I think that's it. Sorry for the fucking blog post but I greatly appreciate anyone and everyone who commented on this track. Considering going forward with any music I make having it uploaded to streaming services. Does anyone know what requirements to meet streaming standards are? I'm exporting at 48k/16bit for cleanest sound. My interface only records 16 bit or I would go for the full 24 bit.

>>126952498
I actually referenced the track on the last mix more closely. Let me know your thoughts. Also yeah the phasing is something weird going on with the drums I think. I'll see if I can figure it out.

>>126952822
did you show the girl yet? i think thats the most important part

>>126952893
Nope. I wanted to get this perfect and unfortunately she lives 3 hours away. We're going out the the weekend after next to an emo karaoke night. I think I'm going to show her after that when we're driving back to the airbnb. It's gonna be a night to remember dudes. Wish me luck

>>126952908
she's not gonna be able to tell whether the mix is shit or not. this is called "producer brain". we see songs as projects, not pieces. non-producers consume it as it is, and their critiques rarely delve into the production of the song itself, it'll only be related to the lyrics and the danceability. i think you should be prepared for her to ride you into dawn.

>>126952924
yeah i know she's not gonna care how perfect the mix is but that's the level of care i want to put into it. also she sings and teaches music so i want her to trust me enough to record her songs when the time comes again. i recorded her last year but she has had a LOT going on since then and this proves how much i have grown as a producer. she wants me to teach her how to record and mix too.

and dude i haven't scored or been in a relationship in 10 years. the possibility of that is something i'm absolutely ready for but i'd be lying if i said i wasn't a bit nervous

>>126952950
everything will work out mate.

>>126952822
Now the vocals are unclear again, I want some of those highs back

>>126952963
thanks anon. Like I said it's been 10 years and she's the only girl I've even thought about pursuing.

>every time I open anything from these threads
https://youtu.be/v1a0E2E35mc?si=kioqrpRx3o23HuyZ

>>126953008
>literally me in the studio getting smashed in the head with an acoustic guitar
i deserved it

>>126952822
guitars seem to sound better in this mix, but the vocals and drum mix don't sound right
I think you should sleep on it, give your ears a rest. I tried doing my own edit via EQ'ing your previous one but couldn't really get it passable, it almost sounds like there's some phasing issues going on with the vocals and/or drum cymbal sibilence. Whatever it is, it's a little unpleasant to listen to. You're in danger of over-processing things as a "quick-fix", perhaps without knowing what you're doing or how to dial in the tools you're using correctly.

I don't know how your song was recorded, but I would suggest trying to do the following
>take a break for a full day
>save your current project
>export the raw recorded instrumentals of your song, as dry as possible
>import those "as recorded" instrumental stems into a new, blank project

Then, in your new mix project:
>leave the master clean (in Reason, this means the master section must be entirely bypassed)
>do NOT even import vocals whatsoever, do not even think about them until your have posted an instrumental and gone through a few iterations to get just the instrumental right
>no send fx, no rack devices, no vsts
I want you to re-do the mixdown from scratch. Yes, it fucking sucks and you more than likely do not want to do that, but trust me you're too deep in your own rabbit-hole of whatever mess you have rn

QRD on a mix (this is NOT a full comprehensive guide on mixing!)
>(optional) normalize your tracks if their levels are wildly different
>set all faders all the way down (-inf), it should be silence when you hit play
>turn up the drums, start with the kick & snare if possible
>if they're not already, put them in a drum bus
>now the bass
>(optional) route to a drum+bass bus
>check bass & drum balance feels ok. You may need to use headphones for bass.
>now, bring in the guitar levels
>route guitars to guitars bus
>...you should get the idea from here
Adjust faders for a good static mix.
No Eq.
No comps.

Anyone mind listening to this for me?
im in that spot where i've listened to it so many times i have no idea if it makes sense anymore or if the mix works
https://vocaroo.com/13OqJDpuHFWH
https://voca.ro/13OqJDpuHFWH

>>126952822
I'm >>126953132 again (post got too long)
If you want some guidance about how to best go about exporting your instrumental multitracks, be sure to post as I'm familiar enough with Reason to try and help out as much as I can. Hell, I'd look at your project myself to try and detangle whatevers going on in there, but it probably isn't a good idea to share it publicly on /prod/ lol.

Are the instrumentals all performed irl?
Like, real drums/guitars/etc.?
They sound like they probably are. I'm starting to wonder if the drums may have been tracked poorly during recording, but I can't offer advice for live drum tracking as it's the one thing I never really do myself. But, it could be bad overhead mic'ing. If it isn't drums performed live for the song, do let me know what you used as it could narrow down why things ain't sounding right. Although there are issues with the vocal processing as well, which is why I explicitly said to focus on an instrumental mix first - that means no vocals at all, even backing vocals should not be considered until the instrumental mix is balanced properly.

>>126952978
basedchan are you trolling? OKAY FUCK. FINAL MIX. Cause my Ozone trial runs out tonight.


>boosted around 1600 hz by like .7 DB with a very slow rolling high shelf.

https://vocaroo.com/1dThwV1DZc7V

>>126953233
>basedchan are you trolling?
Have you heard his vocaroos?
Taking anything he says seriously is your own fault.

>>126953233
nice, the vocals are clearer now.
as for the other stuff i'll leave that for the people in the thread who know more than i do

>>126953233
NTA but the guitar in this sounds so fucking compressed and digital its really bad. Needs a whole new lay down imo with a proper signal to start.

>>126953132
I really appreciate your help dude. I'm not sure I'm going to have time to do another mix and I recorded all my gutiars DI with Amplitube 5 for emulation, so having absolutely no effects to mix with isn't gonna be possible - unless you mean JUST using that.

I don't really feel comfortable sharing all of the stems, you're correct. I think I'm going to sleep on it and give the mix another listen tomorrow but it's going to be a different beast because my Ozone trial runs out tonight. And that has been a major blessing as far as mastering goes. I may re-record the drums at some point or try programming new ones that sound as realisitic as I can get. But for now I think this is good enough to show the ladyfriend. Before I release it on Spotify or something I'll definitely consider figuring all these issues out. I'm shooting for the very end of the month or beginning of August.

>>126953197
there's almost no low-end

>>126953251
those are all old tracks and i know they have issues, my recent stuff is on the last two /dmp/ albums. and yeah i'll admit i'm not a producer pro, but i can still tell as a listener if something sounds good or not

>>126953264
They might be overcompressed. I'm very new to trying to do this "professionally". It's quite literally the absolute best mix I have ever done though, especially with live instrumentation.

As for the guitar sounding digital, that may be a result of me using amp emulation. I used to have a Fender Bandmaster '67 but I sold that shit to pay rent 2 years ago...still pissed about it. it was worth about 1800 and they even told me not to sell it to them because they could only offer 500. I needed to pay rent though, and I hadn't been writing playing or gigging in years. Now I wish I had it.

>>126953286
dont worry basedchan i appreciate your input. it's been insightful and definitely helped improve my overall mix.

>>126953300
word to the wise, you're not supposed to be plugging your name in here, it's simply for mixing advice. attaching a brand or name to your projects will create biases

>>126953266
>and I recorded all my gutiars DI with Amplitube 5 for emulation
You could still export the DI recordings and load up the same Amplitube 5 preset you had used for the main song. What about the drums though? What were you using there?
>because my Ozone trial runs out tonight
You could just crack it if you really want to use Ozone, although I'm not sure if you should be using Ozone if you aren't deeply familiar with it. Focus on using tools you know best, you aren't magically going to fix the mix by slapping on other plugins you haven't learnt how to properly use yet. Also, you shouldn't be mastering a song that hasn't had a full mixdown finished yet either really.

>>126953300
yeah maybe don't use your real artist name here as >>126953313 says, it might be considered shilling. i'm not DJ Basedchan (would be a cool name doe)

>namefags not being constantly bullied off the board
at least this threads been less shitposty

>>126953313
i'll stop i only intended to do it so you guys knew who was responding at a glance but yeah. i know the rules i'm not newfag

>>126953321
will take that into consideration. it was a bad drum recording probably, it's inconsistent. i'll either need to re-record it or program drums or something. don't really have the access to them i would need to redo it.

>>126953347
You could use a drum library or drum VST as a placeholder/scratch, iirc Reason has some ok acoustic NNXT kits sounds as stock.

>sidechain compression literally everything to the kick makes the song sound infinitely better
Who would've thought such a simple concept would produce immense results?

https://voca.ro/12vqnKYHjcCz
thoughts on this?
anyone like tek lintowe in here

>>126953401
t. #1 slop creator

>>126953367
I have Addictive Drums 5 thats usually my go to. I have all the drum libraries acquired :^)

>>126953432
oh yeah just use that then, AD2 is pretty good

>>126953418
Nope, my music comes directly from the heart and childhood trauam

https://voca.ro/1jngPkznTguL
thoughtss?

>>126953480
Feels a bit formless or something

>>126953502
any suggestions to add more form or could i pass off formlessness as a trait of its style

>>126953440
yeah i meant AD2. i'm using it for another song i'm working on currently but that's a long way from being anywhere close to done.

>>126953480
theres some clipping and distortion going on. way too much reverb on everything. i kind of see what you're going for here as a lover of more abstract song ideas. but this needs some direction. I'd take the massive amount of reverb off the bass synth or lower the mix on the reverb much more. the song itself is ultimately really formless as the other anon stated. i think it could work but it needs a flow or something to focus on to relate to in the context of the overall song. right now it just kind of bounces around to some interesting chops and digital fuckery but i don't have a home or a place to really link to in order to tell where the song has gone in the first place. if that makes sense.

has potential but right now it feels like you're trying to be bjork without any of the songwriting capability. reign it in a tiny bit - you can keep the chaos but you need to establish something of a groove or a beat or a feel that the listener can connect with before going all out weird with the song.

daily

https://vocaroo.com/1fWodMxDoqei

>>126953966
>anime picture
instantly dismissed

i really hate the mixing world on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le7oVIrt9oU
a simple eq hack if anyone is interesting
>parallel highpass/lowpass filters

>>126953978
And it’s a pedo anime picture

when you're looking up tips and tutorials for mixing, what are some redflags?
>sponsors
>american accent
>a lot of cutting and editing
>brand loyalty
>clickbait thumbnails
>having a finished project in the video but never playing the entire thing (no context to what they're mixing and why)
>wears hats indoors
>the title is "10 tips and tricks you never knew about" or something to that effect
>gear comparisons
>references to other breadtubers

>>126954413
>bait bait bait
cool

>>126954458
no it's simply that capitalism captures every human interest and turns it into a machine of profit and decadence, the symptoms are what i have observed in the youtube culture of audio engineering. sociopaths obsessed with profit margins and their ego. thats what capitalism does.

>>126954476
>>>/pol/

>>126954484
art and politics are heavily entwined, it's relevant to music production

>>126954492
>>126954476
i agree with the point you pivoted to but you're being a massive faggot

>>126954540
>but you're being a massive faggot
why is that an issue

>>126954550
it is an extremely selfish thing to show up some place and be a nuisance just because.
you suck and you're an asshole

>>126954590
i've been engaging in this thread in good faith the entire time and there's nothing wrong with a bit of devil's advocate or ignition of philosophical posturing.

>>126954597
>in good faith
yeah okay

>>126954610
how would you even know if i wasn't?

>>126954476
european countries are still capitalist though... certainly there are LESS capitalist countries that should be the leaders of culture, following your theory

>>126954634
yeah pretty sure the whole world adopted neoliberal economic policy after reagan and thatcher, theres legitimately no escaping its clutches

>>126954618
well there's the rub huh
piss off

>>126954649
im staying right here baby

>>126954655
>haha how do you know i'm not here in good faith? >:)
at least fill in the namefield damn

>>126953966
>bocchi gao gao
instantly saved... twice, so it gets a (1) behind the file name and makes it easier to find.

how do you guys group and arrange instruments and busses in your mix? this is something i have going on at the moment. i bus compress everything in mix a with a tad bit of mid eq, then limit in mix b.

>>126954718
:]

>>126954741
unfortunately, i still haven't acquired that strand of tism

>>126954820
you should, it was a game changer for me

>>126954820
>>126954829
this anon is right - just tried it for the first time in the last couple days cause i finally wrapped my head around WHY the concept works and it was an immense game changer.

i'm not professional but the mix i posted earlier of the pop-punk song i used this method. essentially get all the tones and volumes correct on each separate track and use the guitar bus to compress and limit and finalize overall tone of all guitars. sounds soooooo much better than it did. i'm not sure if it's the "correct" way to do it but to my ears it sounded way better than whatever i'd have done previously.

>>126954741
group for:
>organization (cutting back visual clutter)
>same group of instruments or function
>playing the same part (mults etc)
>all instruments of a section etc etc
buss for:
>anything layered together
>"glue" ; applying identical effects or automation
>peak control (clipping/limiting)

>>126954928
Sometimes I'll put the bass and drum buss into one unifying rthymn buss and add some parallel compression to liven up the movement of the project. Works wonders sometimes.

i did the whole split bass thing to give the bass more presence and it worked. thanks for reading

So let's say I've made a banger song. Where do I post it to get feedback and impressions on how great (or shit) it is
>inb4 here
No, you cynical fucks don't give feedback to anything unless it's bait

>>126956382
ill give you genuine feedback. lets make a deal, feedback for feedback? what do you say anon?

>>126956382
Literally everything ITT has gotten feedback, just post it.

>>126956483
>itt
Not in the last thread tho, I posted a snippet and got zero feedback.
Also I don't want a lacklustre 1 anon replying, but more people seeing it, like 10-15. hence the original question

>>126956553
all right the deals off, sorry mate

>>126956553
You aren't going to find anywhere on the internet where 10+ people will willingly give feedback to fresh self-produced music unless you spend money on marketing. Best you can do is post in a few communities and hope that at least 1 person gives feedback in each.

>>126956847
The closest thing to it that I can think of is probably some d*scord channel for the specific subgenre I'm producing in, no?

>>126956855
Even in discord, the same applies.
In fact, you're lucky if 2 people actually give feedback even if the song is good.

>>126956871
Even if it's a discord where people are starving for any new release because they're so rare?

>>126956882
instead of talking about it, you might as well just do it faggot

>>126956902
I will
Just need to put it on soundcloud and come up with an artists name etc
My old one is old from back when I was 16, sounds dumb and associated with slop

>>126956882
The thing is feedback takes time to write. It takes time to listen to the song repeatedly and make notes on what needs to change. A lot of people don't want to commit to that time or even offer real feedback so they say "it's good" or "it's shit". Like that anon said, you're lucky if you have 1 or 2 people respond.

>>126957254
>so they say "it's good" or "it's shit"
In this general it's even worse, they just say it's shit or nothing unless they really really really like the track

>>126957340
i try to comment on everyone's music when i come in these threads. just post it broheem. only one way to find out if its good.

this is something i did three years ago
https://vocaroo.com/1fT4tioQnOhN
in terms of mixing i think ive come a long way but it's got a decent garage/lo fi sound to it

>>126957592
Really interesting mix dude. I swear to god I had my headphones on and that first ARP that came on I thought - the way its EQ'd and mixed made me think it was coming from my speakers. I love that. Really pushed it to the sides and left the middle open for everything else. The TR-303 bassline is nice, but I want more low end from it, it's a little quiet in the mix. Not a huge fan of the synth you used for the stabs but I think this is unfinished as is. Curious to see where you take this.

>>126957543
Why does this start off with 30 seconds of silence and then fade in for another 20 seconds?

Also, it's a 10 minute song. I love post-rock so I'm going to let it slide. I can hear electrical interference of some kind coming through your recording. There's got to be a way you can either EQ that out or fix it.

Guitar is a little low in the mix compared to bass. I would work to bring the volume up on that. Ah, there we go, the crescendo. I'd really recommend panning some of these elements - it gives more space in mix for things to shine. Maybe that frenetic crunchy guitar could be multi-tracked to make it more full. The song itself is great but the mix is overall extremely muddy. Feels like everything is just sitting center overall but has stereowidth turned up immensely.

Also, drums have a great sound for this type of music but I can tell you programmed them. Needs more fills and needs more variation on timing and velocity to feel a bit more natural/human. That interference is getting really noticeable towards the end. What interface are you using? And are you recording from an amp or going DI?

>>126952822
I did a quick listen, is it just me or is the high end build up coming from the backup/stacked vocals that are barely audible right behind the lead vocals???

>>126956924
Do yourself a huge, long term favor and stop being precious about it. I was for a long time and letting go of it was a huge milestone, reasons being is that it opens you up to (any kind, anywhere, any time) feedback, gets you moving towards improvement faster, and most importantly lifts self-imposed pressure that absolutely effects everything you do. Yes, we want it to be good, and effort in that way shows results; however, it can go too far and we end up with our own project holding a gun to our head. Bad working conditions.

>>126958775
>precious about it
Precious about what? Just because I want to post it somewhere other than a vocaroo on prod doesn't mean I'm precious about it kek

>>126958849
It does imo. What's the problem with it?

>>126957813
its just the preset i didnt do anything. but it has plate and plate is always good.
fuck i want littleplate again but it needs ilok.
i refuse ilok.
I WANT A REAL PLATE REVERB SO BAD

If only the airwindows plates had decay controls :^(

Thoughts on this?

https://vocaroo.com/1jh40V2ERLER

Might've posted this one
How's the groove? Overall feel for the this dance track?

https://voca.ro/1dDRkc1fuuvR

>>126959926
lacks energy on my speakers, feels a little muted/dampened or something, but what the fuck are those vocals? The lyrics are really irritating. I think it would be 100% better with entirely different vocals.

im a lazy shitter
https://vocaroo.com/17cZLkl8H3ck

>>126959926
feels like ai sloppa

>>126960267
>>126960379

>>126960522
https://vocaroo.com/1fCukpzqSTiV

>>126960565
>>126960379

>>126960718
https://vocaroo.com/1mWSYzO6Inzc

>>126961052
AI SLOPPA NOW SHUT THE FUCK UUUUUUP

would you guys still like me if i used synth samples? :(

>>126961791
it doesn't matter what you use as long as it sounds good

>>126962081
dang i think you're right FUCK IT imma use KSHMR Hoover 01.

maybe i'll even do something crazy like reverse it or add reverb. that MIGHT go crazy.

>>126962220
>KSHMR
What does 4chan think of the single most influential person of the past decade in EDM being a jeet?

>>126962249
oh no are you serious? that changes everything :(
i'm deleting his packs and insulting anybody who uses them from now on.
even chuzo says things about India(?).

>>126962249
kshmr is a wholesome chungus half-indian half-white i think

>>126962569
(3/5)*(1/2) so th math checks out if true

>>126962249
>most influential
Nah

Do you like FET?

Every single thing in existence is getting big businessed into dust. There's just no way in. How the hell is someone with a lot of musical talent supposed to be anything more than a hobbyist? Yeah, it's silly to expect to get a spot as a famous artist. But where's the humble day job? Where is the option, of any kind at all, to turn music skills into even just a decent second income??

>>126963251
I only use stock Ableton Plugins (and vital)
Why would you need more

>>126963313
Music doesn't work like that and hasn't for the past few decades or even century, unless you're in a specific field where you basically provide "music as a service" (which is just as soul crushing as any other job)

>>126963313
>But where's the humble day job?
Session musicians. Fiver. Bar gigs. Playing live in general. Teaching or giving lessons. Writing jingles.
Shit you don't want to hear.

>to turn music skills into even just a decent second income??
this and the larger "hustle culture" is a symptom of the big buisinessed-ness and capitalism etc etc that you were earlier complaining about.
i.e you wouldn't even be asking about that if people weren't pressed harder now.
you're being a fag again take this shit to reddit.

there's actually A LOT to discuss about all this past the surface level "durr want music job :(" and there is reading to be done if you're truly curious.

the smaller but still hard-to-swallow... or purchase pill to ask yourself is WHY do you even want that?
for most people the answer has more to do with being conditioned over a lifetime to think that music NEEDS to be commodified (you ARE your job ; your passion NEEDS to be monetized) or something to do with time (obviously a day job takes a lot of it), in which case you have to circle back around to addressing other priorities in your life, and the cruel reality that if you're one of the lucky few that gets to go pro, that by all accounts your new time suck will be doing boring shit like promo, answering e-mails, doing social media etc etc (i.e NOT music, *still*).

So with all that in mind, re-address *why* is this something you feel you need?

>>126963348
Maybe you are just too retarded to learn how to download plug-ins?

>>126963576
Did you miss the part where I said (and vital) and also where I said why one would need more plugins than stock?

>>126963313
Play live locally at bars or venues. Put your music on Spotify. Busk on a street corner.

>>126963576
He's kind of right. I've been using cubase artist for a while and the stock plugins generally suffice. The only other third party plugin I've been using is amplitube

>>126963251
I use FETish. I want to get a legit emulator. I have the Arturia FET-67 which is nice too. I use it for parallel compression a lot.

>>126963313
Stream on twitch or something

>>126963313
> someone with a lot of musical talent
Simple supply and demand. Everyone makes music now. Nobody wants to hear your music, they want you to listen to theirs. The music industry is no longer about making and listening to music, it is now about selling equipment and services to the everyone that makes music.
Everyone’s grandma can make music with their phone. You aren’t special

>>126963364
There must be some changes especially since big tech started meddling in everything.
>>126963511
Sessions, Fiver, bar gigs, and playing live would all be great. I'm in Nashville, session playing is completely impenetrable unless an asteroid takes out this year's CMA Awards.
Fiver is something I haven't taken seriously and I'll now look into.
Bar gigs and playing live simply don't pay. I mean you'll get twenty bucks by the time everyone else is paid. Unless you're working downtown here which is also pretty inaccessible during the peak paying hours. But this is one I should take a second look at. When I was actively playing out I wanted nothing to do with playing endless covers.
The rest of your post is fantastic and very appreciated. All good points. Beyond commodity, though, I just would like it to mean more than just being another hobbyist making little trinkets in their bedroom that nobody will ever hear. Any one of us here wants that to some degree. Which ties into
>>126963643
this. The ability to make better quality music on your own and having a place to release it to be accessible by anyone is great. But that convenience works both ways, and now we're all competing (for lack of a better word, I don't have a competitive attitude) against the entire world. It MUST have been easier to get some appreciation when locality still existed.

>>126963598
>>126963348
I always will use an Ableton stock plug-in instead of 3rd party when possible to reduce latency and improve performance and simplicity but you can't do everything and get every sound with stock shit.
Ableton stock reverb might be one of the worst digital reverbs I have heard, also no spring reverb. Stock limiter is shit. Stock compressors are for on the fly production only. No FET. Stock amp sims are comically bad. Stock saturator isn't great. No dedicated clipper. Multi-Band compressor sucks because no spectrum analyzer. This is just talking about effects. The only usable instruments are the operator and analog synths.

>>126964652
>Ableton stock reverb might be one of the worst digital reverbs I have heard, also no spring reverb
skill issue. hybrid reverb comes with responses for it.
>Stock limiter is shit
valid
>Stock amp sims are comically bad
somewhat valid
>Stock compressors are for on the fly production only
>Stock saturator isn't great. No dedicated clipper. Multi-Band compressor sucks because no spectrum analyzer
>The only usable instruments are the operator and analog synths.
*loud incorrect buzzer* ALL WRONG. SKILL ISSUE

Awful, awful post.

>>126964652
ableton saturator is a clipper tho

can i post my track here for feedback?

>>126965102
Did you sign the waiver okaying your own emotional abuse?
Feel free.

>that one scrapped song makes its return in another song months later
!!!

>>126965145
i was with you for the first 20 seconds or so but then nothing happened

https://vocaroo.com/1lOgaSaVHnZc

trance will never die

>>126965342
thats a feature of the genre
its old retail commercials slowed down and reverbed with electronic drums and bass to simulate the passing of childhood and the death of innocence and childlike imagination.

>>126965396
>to simulate the passing of childhood and the death of innocence and childlike imagination
it was not done effectively

>>126965413
well then back to the drawing board.
I see what you're saying there does need to be some sort of break down between commercials.
I'm going back to the lab

>>126965394
Sounds like a teenage boy singing. I bet the priests love this.

>>126965429
i mean part of it is context given to some degree, but if you listen to any decent vaporwave with similar themes, or progenitors (namely OPN obviously) for example, you're going to get that sensation no matter what.
Part of it is sound selection (*random* commercials?), how you process them and "play" the effects like reverse reverb, automation and what have you.
I'd imagine this was supposed to be like the amen is accelerating toward death and the backdrop is memories flashing by from an old projector- there's just way more you need to be doing toward that end.

>>126965394
Oceanlab always seemed more than halfway to progressive house, to me, but I'm no expert
anyway your trance track is decent, it could use "more" happening behind the vocals though, it's too repetitive, it needs more progression, maybe some added pads at some point or something, idk, also the last bit is very... generic/cliche

>>126965122
I've done this so many times it's unreal. I think it's just the natural progression of songwriting. We scrap it because it's not working, then we realise it's a part of a greater whole and suddenly it makes sense.

>>126965767
shit i wish
i treat sound design that way and it definitely builds upon itself with material from years ago still consistently being recycled... midi, whole song ideas, melodies? eh... i bounce around a lot tho

TIL to make congee :^)

https://vocaroo.com/14hIY2HS9kv9

>>126965786
I took a whole standard 2 minute verse chorus version post punk song and utilised it as a prechorus and chorus in another song. I liked the simplicity of the first one but it augmented the other one way too well

https://vocaroo.com/14UO1PvIBYud

I made a little dance track by flipping and sampling an indie pop track. Does it sound alright? I'm a bit concerned that the chorus comes across as thin due to some bits i had to chop from the original track in eq.

it bugs me tf out using ott(s) and a million db of clipping to make these tearout kicks fuck

>>126965858
i fuck with it, but i feel like it too hollow? maybe thats the style you're going for, but its middle is lacking in my oppy

>>126965102
>>126965112
>see pic for official /prod/ waiver

>>126965145
just fyi, it's incredible quiet, turn up that gain. For the track itself, it'd be better if you took a bunch of the reverb out. Its made it incredibly muddy on the low end and you really want to feel that kick and reese, which isnt happening here. Also why does the ad get louder @1:45 but the actual interesting dnb track doesn't?

>>126965394
i bounced to it. That vocal needs some tlc though, its a bit tinny and is hard on the S's and F's. Def de-ess and scoop out that middle 1k a bit.

>>126937288
>>126937395
very dope

shes baack and she wants to be ninja. so badly. desperately wanting to be ninja.

chop, chop, chop chow down, take chow down to chinatown

https://vocaroo.com/1igPFrCCpZc6

Am I SOPHIE yet https://vocaroo.com/1jdATuN5qMK6

>>126966587
don’t play with me man wtf

Guys I made a song about drinking the ichor, you shouldnt do it. what do you reckon, salvageable?

https://vocaroo.com/16yeRep3KqcI

the panning squeaks around 0:34 are the evil spirits reaching out after you drink the ichor and the drums fall out of place because the Ichor is unnatural.

>>126966599
sorry was it yucky?

Going to revisit this sometime this week and completely redo the mix with everything I've learned from doing the pop-punk project.

https://vocaroo.com/1kSQmZUgai6p

post-punk song i wrote a while ago that i finally put down. this isn't done there's another verse and chorus and bridge that need to be added. what are your thoughts though? worth revisiting? The mix is pretty awful honestly.

https://vocaroo.com/1hGGa7keHnEB

>breakbeat?
>hip hop?
>pop?

thx for the listen

>>126966733
really like the instrumentation here, very nice. the vocals still sound somewhat amateur but in a way that I think you'll just smooth out and improve on over time, like there's not a glaring issue as such. overall I enjoyed it and downloaded it so now it's on my hard drive.

>>126966961
reminded me a bit of sexual seduction by snoop

>>126966961
Sweep to during the first mini buildup is too loud
Bass too loud

Otherwise nice track, although too long since you aren't introducing any new ideas after halfway through aside from the lead synth maybe

>friend brags about his project
>all he did was put some midi over katy perry's fireworks song

>>126968523
I had a friend back in high school that bragged about what was literally just a slightly sped up version of a popular song.

>>126966557
Damn man. This shit, is badass.

>>126967951
I'm remixing it and finishing it then lol

>>126965858
Sick

bros my FL studio has no Newtime plug in. I need it to adjust my recordings to the proper beat I want. Is it possible to download that plug in separately?.

I got the zeet noise sound i think

>>126973866
Mirchi test >>> zeet noise

>>126974193
Yeah...

I am here to inflate my ego and verify my skillset by randomly choosing vocaroo 128kbps uploads here and patch-mixing/mastering them. Thank me for my service.

>>126974425
wtf is patch mixing

>>126974425
giant cringe man

>>126974465
See, you aren't at my level. Upload your loop and I'll run it through 10 different ANALOG emulators and get that groove you're looking for.

guys anon just clocked in for his shitposting time, everybody head out

oh wait everybody's already scheduled time off because of him WOOPS

i'm actually the only good producer itt and i'm not joking at all

>>126974504
you mean outboard mixing??
who tf calls it patch mixing

>>126974425
what if i upload a song so bad that there's nothing your pro skills can do to improve it

>>126974546
i bet you don't even know what a 2 bus is KEK

>>126974560
kys fagchan

>>126974546
Like other anon said just shitposting, for the funny. I can't keep it up...exhausting.

Anyway to the real business, I really like https://vocaroo.com/1hGGa7keHnEB but yeah the bass is overwhelming. Also high end is a bit flat. Expecting some elements to pop on their transient. Then again I'm listening of a very shitty system.

>>126974560
Nothing is too shit that I can't turn into an grammy. I have all of the acustica audio, plugin-alliance, and other reputable plugins.

>>126974546
Like other anon said just shitposting, for the funny. I can't keep it up...exhausting.

Anyway to the real business, I really like >>126966961 but yeah the bass is overwhelming. Also high end is a bit flat. Expecting some elements to pop on their transient. Then again I'm listening of a very shitty system.

>>126974642
>Then again I'm listening of a very shitty system.
Yeah on a real system it's fine. When the bass hits certain sections, it seems like it's triggering something to flatten everything out though.

i've genuinely never understood blaming your "shitty system"

can you guys really not listen to these vocaroos on your iphone and easily pick out all the flaws?
do you not "learn" your monitoring? bro

>>126974690
I don't have an iphone

>>126974709
it'll be okay anon

>>126974690
I don't listen to iphone or cellphone speakers generally. So I don't have a profile for that sort of medium. It's all relative. Perhaps what I focus on are those with certain types of headphones or specific "systems".

>>126974728
i specify iphone because that's the proverbial scapegoat and "zoomers these days!!!" thing to blame.
i stand by my point.

>>126974753
I don't make music for cellphones.

>>126974757
a "pro" balanced mix sounds good everywhere

>>126974769
Balanced? sure. Enjoyable? no

>>126974780
not the point. this speaks directly to your ability to discern and create a good mix.

>>126974792
I agreed to your point. My counterpoint (as short as it is) was specific music sounds better on specific mediums, only I failed to define that.

>>126974892
ya that's tru

New thread
>>126975246
>>126975246
>>126975246

>>126953416
this is interesting and i like it.
I cant really help much unless i know what your goals are.

>>126953480
deleted file?

>>126968463
You mixed the radio edit name with the official name. It's Sexual Eruption --or-- Sensual Seduction [radio edit]