Palestrina edition
https://youtu.be/SfXIr9QFFDY
This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.
>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
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>>126949999 (OP)J.S. Bach - Prelude, Sarabande, Gigue & Double from BWV 997
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmQD4f8bxsw
forgive me, just one more post on the Levit Beethoven piano sonata cycle to encourage folks to try it, because I'm currently loving it
8th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqOgLPb6iu0&list=OLAK5uy_nEuDnoVXeKKtQu3GL0hOVgE_zRlftFDpY&index=28
9th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAu3pMyKK-Y&list=OLAK5uy_nEuDnoVXeKKtQu3GL0hOVgE_zRlftFDpY&index=31
10th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72b_SBOhNjQ&list=OLAK5uy_nEuDnoVXeKKtQu3GL0hOVgE_zRlftFDpY&index=33
11th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0G-LGFJtdo&list=OLAK5uy_nEuDnoVXeKKtQu3GL0hOVgE_zRlftFDpY&index=37
all stellar with a unique, refreshing vision, especially the Pathetique which can so often sound tired and ordinary in most hands
Second Viennese School is best enjoyed with your fellow monsters.
https://youtu.be/vNZwHPnQ9X8
>>126950430The decline of music couldn't be clearer
Chopin sonata no.3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3Wat8sacwQ&list=OLAK5uy_m-ExkiF76yMLeSXzHUPDa3eT93D2gnh1A
The second theme of 1st movement is perfectly phrased. She gets it. That's all.
Exposition repeat is cherry on top.
>>126950543The unanimous effusive praise of Fliter's Chopin continues. That's when you really know you've got a winner.
sei solo
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Kavakos' Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=birbmAIG9Ug&list=OLAK5uy_mb2b1XhlPQMoX3xLuurzQ24AtzhrrpVk8&index=1
>>126950621I just saw classicstoday review, I'm surprised they gave her a 7, although rightfully praising her 3rd sonata. I'll check out the rest of her Chopin, can't be not-great.
>>126950671Since the line between like and love can vary so much between each person, I only become discouraged with a recording when a critic I respect outright hates it or the performer.
>>126950027What is a Gigue anyway?
I wish there was one more great, prolific solo piano music composer. Just one more and I promise I'd be completely satisfied. Oh well.
>>126951423Have you ever listened to Gretchaninov? And you sure you explored every Medtner sonata yet?
>>126951460>GretchaninovI have not.
And hmm, guess I'll put on the Hamelin Medtner recording, listen through the 280 minutes, and call it a day. Always forget there's that much Medtner solo piano music. In my mind, it seems like there's only ~70 minutes worth.
>>126951512>listen through the 280 minutes, and call it a day.Terrible idea. That's not how I approach large body of work lol. I'd listen to one or two works per week at most. But you do you I guess.
Pfitzner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQqCdKXAW1Q
>>126951423>Beethoven>Chopin>Bach>Debussy>Scriabin>Medtner>Liszt>Schubert>Rachmaninov>Prokofiev>Shostakovich>Schumann>Ravel>Scarlatti>Griegis this not enough for you?
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>gretCHANinov
Piano Trio no.1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xRjBiP3osw&list=OLAK5uy_kZfgL6xnek-lkb2KsKEgPTcJ5aq8MsqYc&index=1
Cello Sonata:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70R7K_OLclk&list=OLAK5uy_kZfgL6xnek-lkb2KsKEgPTcJ5aq8MsqYc&index=4
Piano Trio no.2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA2Z5A9yODI&list=OLAK5uy_kZfgL6xnek-lkb2KsKEgPTcJ5aq8MsqYc&index=7
best recording of Prokofiev's Piano Sonatas? i have Bermann but is there a better one? and what about for his other solo piano works?
Schoenberg
https://youtu.be/7ph8k--FcwY
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>>126951800More like iBad. Fitting for such horrible music.
>>126951963You wouldn't get it.
>>126951800Always love his first quartet. It's like Brahms on steroids
>>126951585Why no Mozart, Haydn or Brahms?
>>126952859Mozart's sonatas are just okay except for a few, i genuinely forgot about Haydn and Brahms, i swear i included them in the list.
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>My teachers were primarily Bach and Mozart, and secondarily Beethoven, Brahms, and Wagner.
>From Bach I learned:
>1. Contrapuntal thinking; i.e. the art of inventing musical figures that can be used to accompany themselves. 2. The art of producing everything from one thing and of relating figures by transformation. 3. Disregard for the 'strong' beat of the measure.
>From Mozart:
>1. Inequality of phrase-length. 2. Co-ordination of heterogeneous characters to form a thematic unity. 3. Deviation from even-number construction in the theme and its component parts. 4. The art of forming subsidiary ideas. 5. The art of introduction and transition.
>From Beethoven:
>1. The art of developing themes and movements. 2. The art of variation and of varying. 3. The multifariousness of the ways in which long movements can be built. 4. The art of being shamelessly long, or heartlessly brief, as the situation demands. 5. Rhythm: the displacement of figures on to other beats of the bar.
>From Wagner:
>1. The way it is possible to manipulate themes for expressive purposes and the art of formulating them in the way that will serve this end. 2. Relatedness of tones and chords. 3. The possibility of regarding themes and motives as if they were complex ornaments, so that they can be used against harmonies in a dissonant way.
>From Brahms:
>1. Much of what I had unconsciously absorbed from Mozart, particularly odd barring, and extension and abbreviation of phrases. 2. Plasticity in moulding figures; not to be mean, not to stint myself when clarity demands more space; to carry every figure through to the end. 3. Systematic notation. 4. Economy, yet richness.
>I also learned much from Schubert and Mahler, Strauss and Reger too.
>>126950301I never liked the few of his sonatas I've heard (he doesn't appear once in my beethoven sonata playlist). which one was your favorite?
Wolf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xuLIMOMcNo
>>126953234Too bad he never learnt their sense of beauty.
>>126953811That’s the stereo version homie, not hittin’ as hard
>>126953811That's Bach not Wolf.
I would just like to say that Wolf's Spanisches Liederbuch is truly amazing music and never ceases to inspire me.
>"Chabrier, Moussorgsky, Palestrina, voilà ce que j'aime" – they are what I love.
>was in awe of Bach, whom he called the "good God of music" (le Bon Dieu de la musique)
Yeah, I'm thinking based.
Schumann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb4NmCCn-AI
>>126953820Schoenberg could be very beautiful when he wanted.
https://youtu.be/tFK5I2ReBKU
https://youtu.be/tHcx8a9-V0Y
https://youtu.be/1yqZr66IDPE
https://youtu.be/C5DVho9iVC8
Even his atonal stuff, while not conventionally beautiful, can still be serene and pretty in its own way.
https://youtu.be/p98CRAleDkE
>>126954241All alien in spirit. Appropriation of Late Romanticism or Classicism by him results in kitsch or perversity. I will neither explain or continue this conversation any further.
>>126954241that christmas music is very charming and beautiful but i almost wish he made it totally dodecaphonic instead because that would have been hilarious
12 tone christmas, make it happen
>>126954409you're just a tradfag
Mompou
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOH8etrlA_s
I wish there was one more great, prolific opera composer. Just one more and I promise I'd be completely satisfied. Oh well.
>>126951696I only know a handful of sets. The Berman is great. So is Natalie Trull's. Lot of people love Raekallio and Ovchinnikov. And then there's recordings which only have some of the sonatas, like Melnikov, Ashkenazy, Silocea, etc., which are all worth checking out.
>>126953486I'm still working my way through it. I really liked all of those early ones, especially 7-9. 11-13 were kinda iffy but I'll admit I was bordering on half-asleep. Moonlight was solid and that's the last one I've heard so far.
>>126953153>>126951585Like I said, just one more and I would be happy. Plus, at the moment I'm especially partial to piano cycles; listening to the Art of Fugue turns into Rach's Etudes into Liszt's Annees into Bach's Goldberg Variations into Debussy's Preludes into Chopin's Etudes into Bach's WTC and repeat, with some scattered sonatas and such in the middle. So one more composer with a couple more piano cycles with a unique sound and vision and it'd really hit the spot.
>>126954916Verdi Wagner Rossini Mozart Haydn Handel Puccini Bellini Monteverdi Strauss and Tchaikovsky shit nigga you need MORE?
>>126953153Mozart's sonatas are pure fucking beauty never say that again or I'll find you
>>126953486>>126954964Let's listen to this one together.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb-IL9Z_GF8&list=OLAK5uy_nEuDnoVXeKKtQu3GL0hOVgE_zRlftFDpY&index=51
where Levit really excels is in making familiar moments sound fresh and his slow movements are heavenly.
>>126951577Reminds me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLR7s8Rq7Dw
>>126950646Doesn’t sound like Bach
>>126955104Which s why I never just say "Bach" but "X's Bach," because Bach's music is always heavily colored by the vision and performance of the musician. Which is one of the things I love about his music. I thought it sounded pretty good.
>>126955133It’s Bach’s piece.
>>126955154Kavakos' Bach's Sonatas and Partitas for Solo Violin (Sei Solo), yes.
>>126955154have you ever heard him play it?
>>126955170Kavako is trying to perform Bach’s work and failing.
>>126955194If that's how you feel, then I respect it. Thanks for giving it a listen though!
Podger's Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrE4d0hCSQg&list=OLAK5uy_mjZ2SMINXytBl7BeF2VqF-80DFG-2ULjM&index=13
>>126955104>>126955194How's this one?
I can hear Bach’s music without a performer.
>He doesn’t have access to the inner music
Sad!
>>126955282Bach discovered the music, he did not invent it.
As the first discoverer, he gets all the credit.
Bach
https://youtu.be/mrJ8n_a86kM?si=psSAwQyL9s-dtmTi
>>126955321:)
>>126955336Karl Richter's Bach*
>>126955282Is Bach performing it though?
>>126955433It’s how he intended it to be performed.
>>126955438You only have the impression of previous performances that you have listened to.
Someday I'll find the best set of Ravel's solo piano works.
Is Helene Grimaud a good pianist or just another pretty face?
>>126956002exquisite, aching beauty
There are a few moments in our otherwise dreary walk through this vale of tears when we lift our our eyes and wonder at the profound and ethereal beauty of something other...when we are reminded that there is far more to life than bills and diapers and dishes and laundry....that there is something other that lifts up the soul and speaks to that place in your heart that you forgot was there - that place in your heart that you buried in the mundanities of life, where you used to romp as a child, dreaming of fairies and unicorns and rainbows and magicians thundering and wizards striking and elves in courtly dances....
It is a place that we sent to sleep for a while and got busy slowly dying.
...but there are moments when we are reminded of beauty. Hearing Helene Grimaud play Brahms is one of the moments where words fail and you are buried in the colors of magic and rainbows and storms and lightening - and your breath is taken away for just a moment and everything is right again.
>>126956002Why don't you listen to her and figure it out yourself?
>>126956002Decent but I've never been wowed by her recordings.
>>126956033I thought you were talking about her face.
Symphony No. 5 is superior to his other work but there is a special story behind Symphony No. 7 so I can't tell which is best. Dmitri Shostakovich was actually a firefighter in Leningrad for less than a month when he wrote most of the 4 scores for No. 7.
>>126956230The 5th might be better note-for-note (pound-for-pound) with a tighter structure, but I prefer the 7th and 10th for their grandiosity, scope, and emotional depth.
>>126956302Do you like 15th? He quoted a lot of other composers like Rossini and Wagner. It seems to be his most self-reflexive symphony. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLng0R1FzC4
>>126956315It's nice, but ngl, as someone who has heard some Shostakovich pieces many dozens of times, I've probably only listened to the 15th twice. I'm just never in the mood for it lol. I will later today though, I'm due for it.
play Brahms' late piano music at my wake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVXBemhL-eo&list=OLAK5uy_mnl-M-pP4DMMPiOqmZKmjxg5gUgGbWwdw&index=17
>>126956315Last movement is really fucked up, but in a good way.
It's Gustav Mahler's birthday. Say something nice about him.
>>126956807erm, he supported several of his colleagues by playing their music, i guess
Moritz Moszkowski Piano Concerto No.2 in E major.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mv0qPKOHVY&list=OLAK5uy_nGRt3fAZoAf1tkp0CRq5FKU7Yo5wvM5Pg&index=1
Anyone who loves Chopin, Brahms, Rachmaninoff, Tchaikovsky concertos should check out Moszkowski's two piano concertos immediately. This is a hidden gem full of immende beauty (especially the second movement).
>Ignacy Paderewski said: "After Chopin, Moszkowski best understands how to write for the piano, and his writing embraces the whole gamut of piano technique." Although less known today, Moszkowski was well respected and popular during the late nineteenth century.
>...Two years later he was already playing his piano concerto on two pianos with Franz Liszt at a matinée before a selected audience invited by Liszt himself.
>>126956807Genius. Thanks for all the great music and art, Gustav!
Verdi's Requiem is so wild. It's almost something that should only exist in movies, and yet it's entirely real and extravagant and bombastic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPxyg3FXRKw&list=OLAK5uy_nLqV6RCq5dZ1JfaefdFNXepmfL3g12ui8&index=4
I keep trying to convince people on /lit/ to start listening to classical and they keep refusing, some even insulting me in return, calling me pretentious, performative fraud. Classical really doesn't have the best rep at the moment, huh
>>126957095Unironically, with absolute 0 pompousness or bias, classical music is one of the best IQ test available out there, that can be used in casual conversations. Anyone calling you pretentious, on average, is a midwit.
>>126956807He wasn’t a shabbos goy.
>>126956807He was no Shabbos goy
>>126957324My issue is /lit/ is a high IQ board! or supposed to be. I guess smart people don't like being told they aren't being all they could be.
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now playing
start of Roussel: Symphony No. 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-8YUT9ID0o&list=OLAK5uy_lHHBEol2WYw7sauSJsnAmQwtUOhDHIWYk&index=2
Roussel: Pour une fete de printemps, Op. 22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQfFLlSiDD0&list=OLAK5uy_lHHBEol2WYw7sauSJsnAmQwtUOhDHIWYk&index=5
start of Roussel: Suite in F
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOVNSOKArgs&list=OLAK5uy_lHHBEol2WYw7sauSJsnAmQwtUOhDHIWYk&index=5
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lHHBEol2WYw7sauSJsnAmQwtUOhDHIWYk
>Stephane Denève, music director of the Scottish ensemble, and a regular guest with the Toronto Symphony, conjures magic with his baton. Roussel often sounds like he's trying so hard to write "serious" music, but, the more you listen the more you appreciate his art of sonic metamorphosis - be it in imperceptible modulations, or handing over melodic lines from one group of instruments to another. The disc gets two extras, including the snappy, modernist Suite in F from 1926. Top track: The "Gigue" from the Suite in F brings together Baroque form with a modernist sensibility. -- Toronto Star, John Terauds, May 2008
random community review,
>Roussel's second symphony is probably a masterpiece, and certainly a riveting tour-de-force, from the shadowy opening passage and the striking thematic material of the opening movement, through the quite simply stunning, turbulent and swirling second to the finale's darkly quiet peaceful ending, the symphony, written in 1920-22 is far darker than the composer's first, and at this point Roussel has clearly moved on from his earlier romanticism toward something new - the energy and colors suggest, perhaps, Falla or even Bartók (certainly there is barely a hint of neo-classicism in the symphony). Most importantly, it is a great bolt of power that should bowl over anyone coming to the music for the first time.
>>126957785>/lit/ is a high IQ board!It isn't. Sometimes it can be hard to tell between high IQ people and educated midwits, I don't blame you.
>>126957809>probably a masterpiecelol. What does that even mean?
>>126957814I'm speaking relatively, that it has the highest average IQ and the highest concentration of high IQ posters.
>>126957832>lol. What does that even mean?a 9.5/10 rating, duh
It means give it a try. And it also means, "I really, really love this, and it's possible my love for it blinds me to some of its flaws, so I'll only claim it's a soft or probable masterpiece than one for certain."
>searching recordings
>come across one with many high ratings and acclaimed performers
>click on it and read a couple reviews
>"Explosive"
>nice
>"Passionate"
>alright, very nice
>"and Historically Accurate"
>click Back button and continue the search
>>126957835Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it was some nerd gaming or autistic nsfw board that had higher average IQ.
>>126957835>highest average IQ>go to /lit/>it's the same retarded bullshit, just like every other board on modern 4chanok
>>126957928you know you can read without using /lit/ right?
>>126957845Oh, I heard it. I found it forgettable like all of Roussel's music.
>>126957920I don't really browse any boards anymore, but yeah every board I've visited was pretty much the same quality wise. It's grim.
>>126957953Oh, well, thanks for having given it a try. Maybe you'll like this recording more, Deneve's performances of French composers are quite colorful, exciting, and gorgeous.
>>126957982Don't worry, I have it
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now playing
start of Beethoven: Cello Sonata No. 1 in F Major, Op. 5 No. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAicKm_cBhs&list=OLAK5uy_nHOduOLV7A407npyGky9ygp_xWvP8h-fo&index=2
start of Beethoven: Cello Sonata No. 2 in G Minor, Op. 5 No. 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYTSJu3osgQ&list=OLAK5uy_nHOduOLV7A407npyGky9ygp_xWvP8h-fo&index=4
start of Beethoven: Cello Sonata No. 3 in A Major, Op. 69
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhhXtpgKBZI&list=OLAK5uy_nHOduOLV7A407npyGky9ygp_xWvP8h-fo&index=6
start of Beethoven: Cello Sonata No. 4 in C Major, Op. 102 No. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cakA_sGjat4&list=OLAK5uy_nHOduOLV7A407npyGky9ygp_xWvP8h-fo&index=9
start of Beethoven: Cello Sonata No. 5 in D Major, Op. 102 No. 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE1dCgRkAbg&list=OLAK5uy_nHOduOLV7A407npyGky9ygp_xWvP8h-fo&index=10
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nHOduOLV7A407npyGky9ygp_xWvP8h-fo
I've been on a Beethoven kick lately. Love the Capucon brothers and their trademark tender, romantic sound. The violin sonatas set with the violinist brother Renaud Capucon has the same pianist, Frank Braley, and it's one of the best cycles to come out in recent times next to the Kavakos/Pace set, so I imagine this will be equally as fantastic, as the cellist brother is just as good.
favorite set(s) of Beethoven's Piano Concertos? There are an endless amount of them recorded by some of the most talented musicians of our time, and while I'm sure a large majority of them are up to par, I'm curious what the favorites are here. Pic (Brendel/Levine)? Barenboim/Klemperer? Ashkenazy/Solti? Perahia/Haitink? Gilels/Szell? Fleisher/Szell? Zimerman/Bernstein (though that's only 3, 4, 5)? Zimerman/Rattle? Brendel/Rattle? Serkin/Ozawa? Kissin/Colin Davis (this is actually the first one I heard and that got me hooked)? Gould/Bernstein? Arrau/Colin Davis? Uchida/Sanderling?
So many rockstar talents tried their hand at complete cycles, and thank God they did, for we have their immortal recordings to enjoy, a different flavor for everyone.
>>126958246Only nos. 4 & 5 matter.
4: Pollini/Vienna/Böhm
5: Fischer/Philharmonia/Furtwängler
>>126958268You don't like the 3rd?
Also I just added Uchida/Sanderling, didn't know that one existed, seems fun to go through. There's so many though!
beethoven was black, decca said so
>>126958246Pollini/Abbado/Berlin
>>126958289>You don't like the 3rd?It has its charms, I guess. Pretty insignificant work though. (Richter's recording is a good one.)
>>126958289Your finger is racist
>>126958340Probably a silly question, but are you sure you just haven't found the right recording? Silly because obviously one can always tell if the issue is from the performance or the composition with inherent flaws, but ya never know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmR4d8vBNhQ&list=OLAK5uy_ndyzi3RpPvD0KcLyo1E7WaMHQ40tBpJRM&index=1
>>126958343:p
>>126958365I've been listening to Beethoven for the past 14 years. I realized very quickly that pno ctos 1 & 2 are lousy. No. 3 I actually really liked from the beginning but grew out and over it. After a while you start to differentiate, not everything Beethoven did is great (far from it, in fact). Nos. 4 and 5 are masterpieces, the others not so much.
The question is, if Beethoven only had the first two or three piano concertos, would they be held in higher regard than they are now, or would they be about the same, left by the wayside, a curiosity on behalf of the composer, to be included in programs and recordings and rankings alongside Mendelssohn's hardly performed and even less loved two piano concertos?
>>126958289https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sWWUiHAsCI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZD28y-swv0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrYyvIoHZ_E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8ZoO0mVl04
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcQlNAWuXrM
>>126958399Hmm, fair enough. Probably the same case with his cello sonatas, eh?
who the fuck is Felix Mendelssohn-Bartholdy? a nephew or admirer or nephew admirer of Mendelssohn's?
>>126958415Damn, Arrau/Klemperer have a set too, huh? Funny because I'm listening to Arrau/Colin Davis/Staatskapelle Dresden right now (and enjoying it), and it's quite interesting how many conductors and pianists recorded the piano concertos multiple times. I thought Klemperer's set with Barenboim was unanimously considered his best though? And one of the all-time best.
Thanks for the list and links.
>>126958417I'd much rather listen top Beethoven's first two cello sonatas than his first two pno ctos.
speaking of piano concertos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-7AdZTzrPg&list=OLAK5uy_loBxU7TdkWEhZ2s1DeDq_HwkBXmHUMUOs&index=1
>I suppose if I had to choose a single recording coupling both of Chopin's concertos, it would be this one. Perahia is a sensitive, extremely persuasive artist who understands his own particular gifts better than anyone. He's not a muscle-bound virtuoso by any means--neither was Chopin, for that matter. All of Perahia's interpretations are finely graded, carefully prepared, and sensitive to the music's every nuance, but they never sound stiff or studied. In fact, his natural eloquence and grace at the keyboard makes him an ideal Chopin pianist, though he has been very selective in the music that he has actually recorded. Here then is a superb example of artist and composer in perfect harmony with one another. --David Hurwitz
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Man, what is it with Bach's Art of Fugue that affects people so profoundly? Check out this recording I just came across.
>The Italian pianist Filippo Gorini took advantage of the world health crisis to immerse himself in The Art of Fugue, Johann Sebastian Bach's unfinished mystical masterpiece: 'The view that it should be seen solely as a theoretical marvel is misguided: as the counterpoints and canons evolve in formal complexity, so does their emotional tension, until the heartbreaking mystery of the unfinished Fuga XIV', says the young pianist, winner of a Borletti-Buitoni Trust prize in 2020, whose first two albums for Alpha have been very well received (Diapason d'Or, 5 Stars in BBC Music Magazine etc. ). In parallel with the release of the disc, Filippo Gorini will launch a website (https://www.theartoffugueexplored.com), with a documentary series featuring conversations with personalities, films about Bach's work and more. The young pianist has even gone so far as to write poems and haikus about the work: 'We pray in trepidation, / When the blessed night is here... '
(if you go to the site, click on the Learn More button near the bottom for the episode synopses)
The dude launched an entire documentary on the work! It's got some big names too talking about Bach's music. For example, from one of the episodes, one of the people talked with,
>Counterpoint XI - Dominique Eddé
>Past and future gathered
>In a conversation in her solitary retreat on Sedef Island, Lebanese writer Dominique Eddé explores the sense of time and memory in The Art of Fugue. From similarities with Ibn Arabi’s philosophy to those with Ingmar Bergman’s cinema, for her this work is a journey on the verge between life and death, and Bach is the composer who lets even non-believers like her hear the sound of God.
As for the recording itself, it doesn't seem to be on YouTube, though there is this live performance if you're curious about his playing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYlPSQNTbiI
any HIP recordings of anything except baroque?
>>126949999 (OP)Palestrina sucked throbbing cock compared to the likes of Josquin, Ockeghem or Obrecht.
>>126958491Check this out if you haven't
>>126956870>>126959142They're all equally the same bore desu
>""Property" is practically held to be more sacred than religion in our state-run society: for offence against the latter there is lenience, for damage to the former no forgiveness. Since property is deemed the foundation of our entire existence as a society, it seems all the more destructive that we do not all own property, and that the greatest part of society even comes disinherited into the world. Society is thus manifestly reduced by its own principle to such a state of dangerous discontent, that it is forced to estimate all its laws to the impossibly of settling this antagonism. Protection of property, in its widest universal legal sense — what armed force is selectively maintained for — can truly mean nothing else than a defence of the Haves [Besitzenden] against the Have-Nots [Nichtbesitzenden]. As many serious and keen calculating minds have applied themselves to the study of the problem before us, a solution to this — the final one perhaps being an equal distribution of all property — is something nobody has wished to bring to fruition [glücken wollen]; and it seems as if, through state exploitation of an apparently so simple a concept as property, a stake had been driven into the body of mankind that makes it waste away from the misery of a painful illness."
>"Clever though be the many thoughts expressed by mouth or pen about the invention of money and its enormous value as a civiliser, against such praises should be set the curse to which it has always been doomed in song and legend. If gold here figures as the demon strangling manhood's innocence, our greatest poet shews at last the goblin's game of paper money. The Nibelung's fateful ring become a pocket-book, might well complete the eerie picture of the spectral world-controller. By the advocates of our Progressive Civilisation this rulership is indeed regarded as a spiritual, nay, a moral power; for vanished Faith is now replaced by "Credit," that fiction of our mutual honesty kept upright by the most elaborate safeguards against loss and trickery. What comes to pass beneath the benedictions of this Credit we now are witnessing, and seem inclined to lay all blame upon the Jews."
Schoenberg
https://youtu.be/eB5I5iU0OoE
>>126953234Who taught him to create unlistenable trash?
>>126959313He was self-taught
>>126959142Totally different generations and styles though, Palestrina was born 75 years after Josquin and Obrecht, a century after Ockeghem.
>>126954993Amy Beach, you're welcome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i33sx01d34k
As an aside, Chopin, the originator of the romantic ballade for solo piano, opens all 4 of his ballades with the statement of a single pitch class (either a unison or octave). Therefore, a ballade cannot begin with a major or minor chord by definition. Liszt, who knew Chopin intimately as a musician and a friend, presumably understood what the latter meant when he titled a work a certain way, so he at least had the good sense to stick to this principle.
I don't know what sort of works the so-called "ballades" Brahms claimed to have written are, but they are definitely not ballades. Maybe fantasia-chorales or something.
>>126959131There's HIP recordings of just about everything up until the early 20th century.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JINqN2v0us&list=OLAK5uy_kj6Zza9vuGCl9HhcRKQij4jV9O72gQbTQ&index=21
Just look up the list of the usual suspects of conductors and soloists who are into HIP style + whatever composer. Gardiner and Herreweghe have plenty, including Mendelssohn and Brahms and Beethoven and Dvorak and Mozart, and then of course there's your Marriners and Pinnocks and Harnoncourts and Hogwood and Mackerras and more. There's HIP Bruckner and Mahler even. And not just symphonies and choral music but soloist stuff and chamber music too. Just search around for HIP/period performance + composer of choice.
>>126956870Not bad, not bad.
>>126959313nobody, considering he didn't.
for actual unlistenable trash try Karl Jenkins
>>126953234OK, show me a work by Schoenberg where he implements all these insights, ranging from Bachian counterpoint to Brahmsian economy and richness, with the variational and thematic inventiveness and ingenuity of Beethoven and Mozart, and the expressive grandeur of Wagner.
I can also say "I learned a lot from Bach", but the implication is that I've actually composed some music.
>>126959795piano concerto op. 41
>>126957920>>126957835>>126957814>>126957785Ironically as it's posters like to shit on it, it's my favorite place on 4chan. I believe that even sisterposter probably has higher IQ than most anons from outer /mu/ and most other boards
Interesting little Bach performance I found on an unconventional folk instrument.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxr6XvxbKNI
>>126954409That’s nonsense. There’s no way you’d say that Christmas music was alien in spirit if you didn’t know it was Schoenberg,
>>126956002I remember someone saying she looked like Glen Gould but I don’t really see it
>>126959881>>126959888The Andante is unlistenable, the adagio is fantastic, the allegro has its breakthrough moments but sort of teeters in between for me.
Overall my experience oscillates between suffocating (in a straightforward and decidedly unpleasant sense) and spectacularly refreshing.
The former is associated with the pattern of an incessant string of unphrased notes played monotonously staccato/pesante in strict time.
>>126958422Felix Mendelssohn-Bartholdy was a child prodigy who composed songs without words, the string octet, the violin concerto, and other great stuff.
Regular Mendelssohn just composed the Wedding march from Midsummer night's dream.
>>126953234What's the point of supposedly learning all these things when you just use it to make trash?
Disliking Schoenberg is a sign of low musical intelligence.
>>126961271gonna have to ask someone else
What are some genuinely good pulkas and waltzes? I remember there was one composer that Wagner praised for his waltzes at one time i believe
>>126959743>Karl JenkinsYou are wrong as its clearly very listenable trash.
>>126959177>, a solution to this — the final one perhapsOh dear
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcGz1zpMBso
God bless this nerd
>>126961996What are your criteria for a good waltz?
Different composers from different regions and periods wrote waltzes for different purposes.
J. Strauss (I and II) wrote waltzes for people to dance to, Shostakovich, Khachaturian and Schnitte wrote waltzes for film scores, Chopin's "waltzes" are actually mazurkas, etc.
>>126961996>I remember there was one composer that Wagner praised for his waltzes at one time i believeif Wagner praised it it's probably pretty bad then
Prokofiev should have skipped his Andante and gone straight to the Allegro Marcato in his 5th symphony
Any Les Six now...?
Thanks for the Honegger from last thread, it's the exact opposite of what I thought Les Six was about and what I'm looking for.
Quote from Wikipedia:
>Arthur [Honegger] on the other hand had a deep-seated scorn for Satie
Should I just make a Satie thread? Maybe classical classical isn't for me.
>>126963538150 minutes of great Satie piano music on this recording
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YCZC0wkY_U&list=OLAK5uy_ktBW6mSr32DTPRrN0JrWgeFe2UT7EbFwU&index=35
1 hour of Poulenc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLZaq5dtyQI&list=OLAK5uy_mCkhxGr_CH6G6ZqS2wiNH9CAVQi4n9bAY&index=2
Tharaud's pretty good
You do the first movement of Bruckner's 9th, followed by the first two movements of his 7th in the middle, then you close with the Adagio from the 9th.
Now that. That is a fuckin' 10/10, maybe even better than the 8th.
>>126963817Thanks, I'll try it once I finish Sorabji's Villa Tasca (Powell). Maybe it'll be a good introduction to Bruckner beyond the 7th.
For me it's the Czech composer, Ladislav Vycpálek.
Letocart's completion of Bruckner 9 is better than J. A. Philip's most recent completion.
>>126951062>lively dance>binary form>fast tempo>rhythm are multiples of 3, 8th note or 16th note gets a beat (for example 3/8, 9/16, etc)>often contrapuntal, often starts in fugue
>LYNCH: It's [Mulholland Drive] a lot like music. Music, they say, it's an abstraction. It is very far away from words. And a film is a thing that... People want to have an easy understanding of a film, but when it's music they don't have that problem. There is not an intellectual thing going on, it's just an experience. But films have those same elements, just experience. Plus, film can say abstractions that can be intuited, so you use your intuition, and then the understanding comes inside you. I think people should trust the understanding that comes to them from the experience. Now, it might be hard to take what's inside of you and tell your friend in words what it is, it's like a dream sometimes: you tell your friend a dream, and you can see in their face that they don't understand, the words fail you, but you still know inside. So it's not that difficult to understand if you trust your inner feeling.
Is classical music an abstraction? Just a mere experience? Do you ever try to intellectualise Chopin? Or is more like a dream?
Why haven't you heeded Debussy's advice and listen to Palestrina, Mussorgsky, and Chabrier?
Chabrier, Moussorgsky, Palestrina, voilà ce que j'aime" – they are what I love.
>>126966015>ChabrierI listen to Espana once in awhile. Mahler worshiped this piece:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMx98917flo
>MussorgskyPictures and Boris Godunov are great, of course. I'm not so convinced by Night on a Bald Mountain. The Rimsky edit is excellent, though.
Wolf
https://youtu.be/qbFK4Tri0-M?si=_kGpVFzUszddCod7
>>126966543Bach sure is a wolf! Rawr, down doggy down, your music is just too good! You're going to eat all the other composers!
>>126966568https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icDObrsrNr4
>>126966239https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAy6HILocCc
the /classical/ OST
>>126966568>>126966616Please stop. You're bringing back bad memories.
>>126966568>>126966626Lil bro didn’t know wolves could bark so he didn’t comprehend the pun…he thought it was a dog whistle. touch grass
>>126959930thank you, anime sister
>>126966695>wolves can barkGrok is this true?
>>126966695>wolves can bark@grok is this true?
Tree
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26WyXYLQ0Hk
>>126966543FOR THE LAST TIME, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SAY YOU'RE POSTING WOLF THEN POST WOLF.
Why does Kempff's Beethoven sound so different from every other performance? It's like the phrasing is just completely different.
Were there any composers in Nazi Germany worth listening to? I'm not a /pol/yp but I love Soviet Classical music. I don't want to have a biased view of the period by not listening to other countries' composers.
>>126967605Well, Strauss, Pfitzner and Lehar were alive and working in Nazi Germany, but I don't know of any good composers produced by the regime itself.
>>126967623>PfitznerThis is great. Thanks for showing me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=7XAl42AWyxU&t=0s
>>126967658He IS one of the greats. Was for a long time very underrated.
>As early as 1923, Pfitzner and Hitler met. It was while the former was a hospital patient: Pfitzner had undergone a gall bladder operation when Anton Drexler, who knew both men well, arranged a visit. Hitler did most of the talking, but Pfitzner dared to contradict him regarding the homosexual and antisemitic thinker Otto Weininger, causing Hitler to leave in a huff. Later on, Hitler told Nazi cultural architect Alfred Rosenberg that he wanted "nothing further to do with this Jewish rabbi." Pfitzner, unaware of this comment, believed Hitler to be sympathetic to him.
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Shostakovich saw a little boy get murdered once
>>126967587Wolf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8eALT6ULpc
>>126967596https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5luzfUfEvvY
combination of his piano, pedaling technique, and touch
but this video goes into more granular detail
>>126967587Woolf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=597lnTSyTyI
>>126967853I love these; the narration is well done, too.
What is the best Shakespearean piece in classical music? I think it's Prokofiev's Romeo and Juliet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX6GHiFKovw
>>126968372Otello or Falstaff, and it's not even close
Pick your Italian composer:
>Rossini
>Scarlatti
>Vivaldi
>Monteverdi
>Puccini
>Verdi
>Busoni
>...
Well?
>>126968424My teenage self would have chosen Vivaldi. The adult version of myself chooses Verdi.
>>126968372Berlioz's Romeo and Juliet.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc51cnV6YJI&pp=ygUjYnJhbmRlbmJ1cmcgY29uY2VydG8gNSBzeW50aGVzaXplZCDSBwkJ_ACjtWo3m0M%3D
>>126968548Thank you, Wendy Carlos sister
>>126968654That isn’t actually Wendy Carlos
>>126968548Sounds (and smells) like the foulest fart that has ever come out of darkness of intestines.
>>126968674Where did I say it was?
>>126967605>>126967623the symphonies of Franz Schmidt
>>126951696>and what about for his other solo piano works?the set by Frederic Chiu
Once you really begin to grasp the genius of Bach's Sonatas and Partitas for Solo Violin and Cello Suites, almost all other violin and cello sonatas begin to sound insignificant.
>>126967605Furtwangler's symphonies are cool if you like brucknerian inspired stuff that lasts an hour
>>126968808You mean actual sonata-allegro pieces like Schumann's violin sonatas? Nah, I live to listen to those pieces. Bach's are good but nothing special, any proper post-classical sonata that has a good form and tunes will always be my pick.
>>126967587/classical/‘s resident karen is seething.
>you did not fill out the form correctly!
>>126958575Here's from a review for Trifonov's Art of Fugue,
>Here, we finally come to one of the most enigmatic oeuvres by J.S. Bach, The Art of Fugue (Die Kunst der Fuge), which also signified the zenith of J.S. Bach’s artistic life. The formal rigidity and emotional profundity of the work create a huge interpretive challenge. Trifonov provided an elaborate, at times florid verbal account of his understanding of this masterpiece, even drawing parallels to scientific phenomena like quantum entanglement, matter and anti-matter and gravitational time-bending. No matter what, what he expressed through the music is more important than his words. His playing, in my humble opinion, partly succeeded in exuding the spiritual depth as proclaimed in the liner notes.lolol wtf
>>126968930Schumann's on great, and they might even be more enjoyable to listen to in general, but the spiritual, compositional, and emotional monumentality of Bach's solo violin pieces... it's like Beethoven's 9th or Bruckner's 8th compared to Schumann's symphonies. Of course by "insignificant" I did not mean bad or worthless, and I do like listening to Schumann's violin sonatas. I just don't get the sense of the sublime, of witnessing God's presence, of the summit of human imagination and creativity and will.
>>126969187I've seen Danny incorporate gravitational time-bending in his playing before
>>126969227>it's like Beethoven's 9th or Bruckner's 8th compared to Schumann's symphoniesI don't get the comparison. I prefer Rhenish to any Bruckner. And the 9th. Some pieces, like 9th are more historically significant than actually good. Had Schumann's orchestral skills been a bit better, his symphonies would outperform most, if not all romantic symphonies besides Brahms' in every regard.
>witnessing God's presenceIs this the resident religious nut I'm talking to or what
>>126969291>Had Schumann's orchestral skills been a bit better, his symphonies would outperform most, if not all romantic symphonies besides Brahms' in every regard.Ridiculous fanboyism. Get a grip.
>>126969291>>witnessing God's presenceEveryone says that about Bach though
>>126969227>spiritual>witnessing God's presenceComplete gibberish
speaking of Schumann's violin sonatas, can't decide between which of these two recordings to listen
Ibragimova/Tiberghien
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sF-_pE2ktA&list=OLAK5uy_kOcNcr5ryXGtmMBqPIkfebaotxfZ5XI3Y&index=4
Koh/Uchida
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjbLpmvMRHE&list=OLAK5uy_naQcwi--GfzTp7oDJ6PKlh1P9nk02ugtY&index=4
Both are highly rated, the Ibragimova came out this year and is a slower tempo. Curious what you guys think
>>126969334I'm thinking Ferras/Barbizet
>>126969312I don't. Keep your religious babble out of /claasical/, thank you.
>>126969291>>126969319'God' is a metaphor, a representative symbol. 'Spiritual' doesn't just have a transcendent metaphysical meaning. From a strictly materialist view, it's almost a nexus between mental and emotional, the psychology of the soul, meanings of deeper human concerns.
>>126969347How about "Bach is like witnessing the presence of Neil Degrasse Tyson"?
>>126969346I'll check that one out, thanks. I wasn't just looking for the best recording ever though, I'm specifically into listening to these two at the moment. If I wanted only the best, I'd keep relistening to Faust/Avenhaus, Tetzlaff/Vogt, or maybe Kremer/Argerich, but where's the fun in that?
Ecologue by Gerald Frinzi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do7PB4vuG4E&list=RDdo7PB4vuG4E&start_radio=1&ab_channel=PeterKatin-Topic
>>126969405>t. soulless, philistine bugman
>>126969334>>126969346>>126969386Tetzlaff/Vogt is so good it makes all the rest irrelevant I'm afraid.
>>126969412thank you schizo sister
>>126969415So you've said, and I respect it. Great music allows for and is enhanced by multiple interpretations, but I'm done beating this dead horse.
>>126969347Such a low iq complaint.
>>126969459Not saying you shouldn't explore others, I just tried Ara Malikian's which was rated highly on classicstoday. Wasn't very impressed, there isn't much rhythmic and dynamic cohesion and tightness between the piano and violin, like in Tetzlaff/Vogt. Still, better than many popular ones (like Faust/Avenhaus), worth checking out.
>>126969493The polar opposite
>>126969510Oh, you don't like the Faust one? I used to very much dislike her violin playing but lately I've been enjoying more and more of her recordings.
>>126969533Unless you're low iq and attach a rabid ideological value to being ignorant of religion, or you're extremely autistic, or both, then there's no reason for you to not understand the age-old references to 'God' and 'divine revelation' when people gush about music. I'm not saying they're accurate or fitting terms but it's very obvious what they're expressing.
>>126969347>>126969533based.
anyone with a low enough vocabulary to still need to resort to "it's like seeing God" when reviewing an experience, is inherently the possessor of a low IQ.
>>126969662kek, first time you've made me laugh and not rage
>>126969626Good thing it was only one of the few things I said, merely part of the package giving weight and grandeur to my exaltation.
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Classical music to listen to while watching big titty camgirls?
>>126969626Except 99% of people you meet will be relatively low iq, including in this general. Every second post has equally vague and sentimental descriptions. Complaining about this one is clearly just motivated by anti-religious seethe.
What would Bach think of Debussy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-9xGnbBHMI
they really removed Szeryng's Bach from YouTube Music? so cringe. Guess now I'm got to download it
Shumsky's Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlbYRvDhB4I&list=OLAK5uy_lKY4pnnup3mROpL6brq87M-E2NNFUL_3E&index=27
>>126969838Got to be Mozart
https://youtu.be/tI7xtD3bMD0?si=1Xa7N896OM3_aS5N&t=298
Barenboim!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY7MYLGvh-4&list=OLAK5uy_n_1YxsaVVKS1ppAWq_yl9OzJqEZ01o4yg&index=23
Finally gonna go through this set.
>>126969895>anti-religious seethewhich you would only have a problem with if you're still stuck in the "all religious criticism means you wear a fedora lol" era of the internet from 10 years ago
>>126970159That's right! You wear a fedora because it's classy and sophisticated- it has nothing to do with being an atheist!
>>126969634>>126969626Poor attempt at a samefag award
>>126969347>>126969291>>126969425>>126969626Is it possible to not be inflammatory and faggy like this? Every second thread is like this, you enjoy a medium in which most of it's greatest composers wrote at the very least a few liturgical works, and at most hundreds and then get surprised when there are people who discuss it who are Christian to some degree.
I don't see why every thread has to have at least 1 person shitting his pants over a religious reference when talking about Bach (one of the most prolific composers of Christian music in the canon). I've almost never seen the reverse scenario happen. Its almost always atheists who have a desperate need to "ackshyuwally"
>>126970788no. it's not possible. sorry. maybe if you seethe harder.
>>126970788Bach was an atheist.
>>126970788It's funny because even at worst all they have to do is mentally amend the statement to "it's like witnessing a glimpse of God if he were real" to make it perfectly comprehensible and sanitary for their weary, sensitive eyes, but they can't even manage that.
>>126969972Y'know, I used to really not care for this one very much but goddamn this owns. It's got verve. Makes one feel like all of their dreams can and will come true.
best recording of Haydn's Paris Symphonies?
Bernstein? Harnoncourt? something else?
I just invented a new religion. It's called Batheism. We believe in god, and his name is Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRBHSy4l6bM
>>126971667Surprise, surprise: it's Karajan.
>ask classical music experts whether I should be enjoying music subjectively or trying to understand the author's intention
>they almost universally tell me understanding the author's intention is optional
>tell me all music stands alone and can be appreciated
>trying to get into debussy
>listening to proses lyriques
>meh, just seems like random sounds to me
>random moments of "that's nice, I guess" without understanding why
>is that what I'm supposed to be experiencing? the "that's nice, I guess?"
>is that what it means for music to stand alone? just listen to random crap and wait until your existing sensibilities are tickled by something? what if the tickling is an accident?
>get angry
>start researching the proses lyriques
>find out debussy was deliberately and straightforwardly applying a techno-fetishistic weirdo nonsense idea derived from a completely dumbass quack philosophy
>find out that the proses lyriques are like a painter rejecting formal techniques for painting because he has a hunch that they are arbitrary, but then in his quest to find a post-formalist painting style, being taken in for a year by a snake-oil salesman who convinces him that painting is only "good" insofar as it uses the color BROWN because BROWN is the MAGICAL UR-COLOR
>find out that debussy would have later spit on the proses lyriques as a failed experiment
>can now safely say, the proses lyriques Officially Suck Ass
>can justify this conclusion
>mfw thousands of retard plebs will listen to the proses lyriques today and go "Mmm.. Ah.. Ah yes, I rather quite like this, indeed.. Whilst.. Quite whilst.. Mm, yes, I'm quite whilst a fan of this.. This is quite post-tonal, not hidebound by formalism at all.. Ah yes.." as this complete shit garbage flawed experiment of post-formalist neo-techno-formalism accidentally produces something that sounds good by accident, because it accidentally sounds like a recognizable formalist chromatic piece of music, every 2.4 minutes on average
>>126972278Did you just write all that?
Anne-Sophie Mutter plays too slow on almost everything, I can't handle it any more.
>>126972278As they often say, once you tried Da Bussy, you would never go Bach.
>>126969187It's not the first time Bach has been referred to in Quantum terms
Bach loved and admired Vivaldi, he transcribed several of his pieces and his influence can be heard even in St. matthew passion. What's your excuse for not listening to Vivaldi?
>>126973492I am not Bach and my brain is too small. If Bach makes me see God then Vivaldi would clearly be like introducing me to Cthulhu.
>>126971667Bernstein probably.
favorite recs of Beethoven 1?
>>126973661https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPWmVDDzZWA
>>126973968Wow, this is like seeing God.
>>126973419lol classic
What is it about Bach's music which inspires these high conceptual ideas?
>>126973661https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qop2hKxOen4
>>126963688Thanks.
>150 minutes of great Satie piano music on this recordingAwful. Are these sped up? Not only too fast but sound too high too.
>titled MélancolieNow that already sounds good but I'm not feeling it. I will blame Tharaud.
I will make that Satie thread one day.
>>126973593but he's jewish
>>126974178i have to agree, Ciccolini has a very good Satie set.
https://youtu.be/RU-RZB8c4Ys?si=EIePaE06SnYXLqqE
Y'know how people wear band attire? Imagine if people wore composer or musician or artwork depicting a specific piece attire. I don't know, random image that popped into my head watching a TV show where the character is wearing a Megadeth shirt and I laughed at the idea imagining someone wearing a Mozart shirt.
How do violinists have different 'tones' anyway? Is it mostly the violin like with pianists or is it mostly technique?
>>126972278I kinda liked that, sounds like Satie.
>>126974553Thanks, love Satie's earliest waltzes. As well as the later ones. Anyone has something similar?
>>126972721Really? My main issue with her is her tone is so severe, so sharp and incisive, sometimes sounds like the music is kinda cut my head off.
>>126971667I'm sure the Harnoncourt set is fine
>>126974945The violin helps but it's mostly technique. A great violinist will sound good in any violin. How you use the bow, the point of contact with the string, arm and violin positioning, your intonation, pressure on fingering etc
>>126971594I don't want to amend anything, I just want to see faith normalizers crying
>>126971667both are good sets
the Karajan one is surprisingly good too but i think Bernstein has more drive
Harnoncourt gets more unique sounds out of the orchestra though
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>single-handedly gave us the 3 best violinists of the 20th century
How did he do it?
Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08XZ8f1b85s
>tfw no good recording of Letocart's Bruckner 9 completion
thos
>>126974927I would totally wear a Mozart shirt
>>126949999 (OP)quads checked.
not classical, though.
>>126975221not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
>>126970159I never said that, I gave you the other option of being extremely autistic. Because there's no real reason for freaking out over someone using religious language. I didn't say you can't criticise religion, but turning into a spaz because someone references religion once in a description of music is most certainly a (YOU) problem since religious/atheist debates have absolutely no place in this general.
>>126975234Palestrina = Renaissance, not classical.
>>126975289not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
>>126975221Classical can mean three things:
1. Western art music.
2. Music from the Common Practice Period.
3. Music specifically from the Classical period.
>>126973968a bit too old but thanks
>>126974043a jew? really?? :/
>>126975384he either already knows this and is baiting or somehow assumed everybody in the god damn classical general didn't know this and decided to be Mr. Erm Akshually in his first time here (because being here for longer than five minutes would be enough to know everyone is aware of what is the topic of discussion)
either way just tell him to shut up he doesn't deserve a real explanation
>>126975244>there's no real reason for freaking out over someone using religious languagethere is no language with a bigger list of reasons to freak out over than this
Downloaded the Szeryng Bach S&P set. Which Chaconne sounds better?
Milstein's
https://litter.catbox.moe/nvez9fucxd0r9vpt.flac
or
Szeryng
https://litter.catbox.moe/27a3m1gjkhreill7.flac
I know on the whole the Milstein set is held in higher acclaim but the Szeryng one is hitting me harder and deeper currently. Curious what you guys think.
Also how is the Milstein file only 82MB whereas the Szeryng ~250MB lol.
>>126976003Okay, thank you for demonstrating you are just a spaz fedora.
>>126976140i prefer the Milstein mostly because his fingering is more suave (lots of singing portamentos)
but his earlier 50s recording is better technically
>>126976140My favourite is Grumiaux. It's probably Milstein between those two, but I always liked Szeryng's tone. His Brahms concerto with Monteux is my favourite recording.
>>126976500>His Brahms concerto with Monteux is my favourite recording.For me it's one of those Brahms VC recordings where the conducting (and engineering) is what elevates it the most. It's severely criminal that Monteux didn't conduct more Brahms. Literally an ideal Brahms conductor.
>>126976518Yes, Monteux is definitely a big part of it too. Szeryng's remake with Haitink is nowhere near as good.
A stodgy autismal over-conservative music professor and fugue-fetishist was teaching a class on Johann Sebastian Bach, known lardass.
”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship the Baroque era and accept that it was the most productive period in the history of Western art music, even more than Viennese Classicism!”
At this moment a brave, impeccably dressed, inebriated contemporary composer who had just snorted a line of coke off a teenage classmate's back and understood the folly of a(r/u)tistic movements such as serialism and fully supported the preservation and continuation of the true old masters' legacies stood and held up a composition notebook.
”Professor, do you recognize this piece?”
The arrogant professor smirked quite Lutheranly as he leafed through the notebook. "Why, there's nothing in here but blank manuscript paper, you stupid pedophile. Is it 4'33"?"
"No. It's an opera. If J.S. Bach, as you say, is categorically the greatest composer of all time... then he should have written one, and it should be in this book."
>>126976579The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and 80-disc Glenn Gould boxed set. He stormed out of the room crying those Bach fanboy crocodile tears. The same tears all autismal fanboys cry when someone else's favorite composer is different from theirs. There is no doubt at all that our professor, an anonymous craven coward who balked at accepting responsibility for his 4chan posts by using a tripcode on /mu/, wished he had taken the time to appreciate music beneath its surface aesthetics and understand the incalculable grace and poise of the great Classical masterpieces and deep intellectual current which runs beneath their simple veneer. Placing his lips around the barrel of his handgun, he wished so much for a requiem mass to be sung at his funeral, but alas! The lazy Bach had neglected to write any of those, either!
The students applauded and all finally "got" Mozart that day and the patricians among them split into groups to form chamber ensembles. A firetruck roared past outside and the plebeians in the class, mistaking it for their favorite Tchaikovsky pieces, rushed out into the street to listen and were flattened. A bird named Franz Schubert flew into the room but the meme didn't catch on and it left before anyone noticed. The Heiligenstadt Testament was read aloud several times and the Great Patrician himself showed up to congratulate everyone on their good taste.
That young composer's name? Ulysse "Tallis" Bouchard.
is there any Haydn piano sonatas set with just the essential ones?
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