was a song from Coven’s debut album. The band Black Sabbath ripped off everything from the fathers of metal and heavy rock Coven directly. Nothing more then corporate copycat posers/plants.

>>126951165 (OP)
So now Coven made heavy metal?
Whats next, the beatles?

*yawn*

that shit true?

>>126951165 (OP)
They definitely invented the aesthetic of Metal, but musically, just kinda sounds like a darker Jefferson Airplane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t46lQLjRxu0
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnUNgWk4CcyZBrrxEtbtIdApuny8zErqH

>>126951165 (OP)
Thanks, I was trying to remember what this group was called but I couldn't lol

Top 40 hit in 1971
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6asItlu-fYQ

lel it's mental how delusional americans are

>>126951165 (OP)
>>126953832
>>126954034
Coven is a "psychedelic folk" band. That is as far from metal as you could possibly get musically speaking.

>>126955646
so what?

>>126953832
[citation needed]

>>126951165 (OP)
Bob Dylan invented metal in 1965 when he betrayed his folk roots and went electric

>>126953832
no it's just rockists thinking they reinvented the wheel again

>>126953832
About Sabbath stealing names and aesthetic? Yes, obviously. They also watered it down, Coven were way more edgy.
But their music had nothing to do with metal.

>>126951165 (OP)
>>126954018
>>126956112
You people are historically illiterate. Both bands saw this film and copied it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sabbath_(film)

>>126951165 (OP)
Blue Cheer invented the metal sound. The Kinks invented the metal aesthetic. Black Sabbath was first to combine the two.

>>126951165 (OP)
>"Fahters"

>>126955646
Really? Psychedelic folk is as far from metal as you could possibly get? Explain Solitude, the intro to Children of the Grave, Embryo, Ozzy using harmonica in the first, Led Zeppelin and the band Horslips.

>>126956886
Good thing none of that is psychedelic folk.

>>126951165 (OP)
The horn gesture had been used loads in music before Coven, not sure what they mean by that. The association with metal/hard rock mostly came from Dio which was in the 80s.
The phrase black sabbath also predates Coven, obviously the concept of a 'black sabbath' or a witches sabbath goes without saying.
Osbourne is a fairly common English name

Musically, Coven sounds like a Jefferson Airplane clone.

There's a pretty strong influence from Dennis Wheatley on early Sabbath, with the removed or third person perspective

Sabbath didn't "father" metal anyway, Motörhead did.

>>126956959
>I'll rename it something else, then it doesn't count

Nice mental ballet.

It is fairly psychedelic and definitely folk-reminiscent.

>>126957003
Heavy metal is just another name for hard rock.

Anybody telling you otherwise is trying to sell you something.

Power heavy metal, thrash heavy metal, death heavy metal, black heavy metal, doom heavy metal, it's all heavy metal and it's all rock music.

>>126951165 (OP)
sure dude and the ramones invented punk too.. *yawn*

>>126951165 (OP)
Who cares?

>>126957042
Heavy metal's part of rock, but it's not the same subgenre of rock as hard rock. Otherwise, KISS and Bathory would sound the same, and they obviously don't.

>>126957105
Heavy metal is a species within the hard rock genus just like punk rock. All heavy metal is hard rock, but not all hard rock is heavy metal.

>>126957128
That's obviously not the same as saying metal's "another name for hard rock", as the post I was replying to claimed.

>>126957105
>Natas Kaupas and Jason Rothmeyer are part of skateboarding, but it's not the same subgenre of skateboarding as street skateboarding. Otherwise Natas and Jason would look the same when skateboarding, and they obviously don't.

>>126957128
No, punk is different. Punk meant to ridicule hard rock/heavy metal.

>>126957142
Fair enough
>>126957157
lol

>>126956159
Did that film have an Oz Osbourne too?

>>126957318
No but it has Boris Karloff, another icon of evil

>>126957042
>>126957128
>>126957142
Rock music, unlike Metal, is not instrumental music for the most part. Rock music typically is arranged in strict vocal song structures like other forms of popular music. The rhythm section (rhythm guitar, bass, and percussion) is strictly rhythmic for the vocals to sing over. Keith Richards asserted that Rock ‘n’ Roll developed from Blues musicians like Chuck Berry in the early '50s directly transposing two chord Blues/Boogie rhythm riffs from piano to electric guitar and replacing shouted vocals with pop singing, hooks, and structure. Richards is probably right; Rock riffs are typically two to three chords arranged around a static center while the Blues leads are mere adornment so the vocal melody and catchy rhythms can prevail. For an example, let us have a listen to one of the more instrumentally focused Hard Rock bands:
https://youtu.be/2atkj_KWLl0

Led Zeppelin’s “Communication Breakdown” is a verse-chorus-verse song based around a fixed three chord verse Boogie riff for Robert Plant to wail and howl over like a 50s Rock ‘n’ Roller. The chorus riff is a standard Rock ‘n’ Roll Bluesy Boogie that exists to proceeds forth into the solo in the bridge before the vocal chorus repeats and the song fades out. “Communication Breakdown” like most Rock music is held back by the need to make a radio Rock song. Led Zeppelin performed much better with their more virtuosic progressive rock songs such as “Achilles Last Stand”. The guitars are structured like vocal arrangements in prior rock music while keeping the repetitive Rock feel to progress each instrument to the catchy hooks and choruses over a steady rhythm riff, bass line, and drum beat in an extended rock jam from well-practiced former studio musicians:
https://youtu.be/1t4KLOm7pO0

Metal, even Heavy Metal based around riff pairs, in contrast is melodically structured instrumental music. Metal uses heavy, Psychedelic and Blues-based riffs based around power chords and merely repeated phrases in a longer melodic construction that is usually minor-key, modal, or chromatic. Tonal centers of Metal riffs in each composition (metal tracks are not vocally-based so therefore not songs) are not fixed but progress over the course of it. The “rhythm guitar” is therefore not a merely a rhythm instrument but in fact the lead one. Unless you're shredding, there can be no Metal without a rhythm guitar. The drum kit is enslaved to the guitars as a mere metronomic timekeeper despite whatever swing, texture, or fills the drummer flourishes the music with. If Robbing the Graveyard and Raping the Dead from Satan's Massacre is any proof, you construct Metal music simply with your amp and guitar with no bass or percussion needed at all.

For comparison, let's listen to Motörhead. They combined riff progression with chopped up minor key melodies to progress their Heavy and Speed Metal compositions forward. Listen to “Overkill”‘s thrashy metronomic pick-up beat, the shifting forward chord progressions, and the appropriately progressing leads:
https://youtu.be/ueeEEXE7Po8

Motörhead’s minimalist approach to writing music meant that they never had to budget riff; Lemmy and company always exploited the basic melody in a riff way further than they needed to in order to construct a Speed Metal track or whatever other genre they felt like playing such as the occasional crooner ballads. Despite repeating rhythms and structures, they successfully reexerted this formula artistically and commercially until Lemmy died right after the release of Bad Magic:
https://youtu.be/Zh_pk02IOnE