Thread 126955079

Official Robert Fripp Appreciation Edition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmCcbZVZH9A

What is Progressive Rock?
>https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/progressive-rock/

Good albums to start with?
>https://www.musicgenretree.org/essential_prog.png (embed)

Obscure prog gems
>https://rateyourmusic.com/list/antonbildern/a-secret-society-obscure-progressive-rock-albums/

Previously, on /prog/: >>126881678

For the record, I find Robert Fripp's guitar music pedantic and joyless. Please leave mentions of him out of your future posts.

>>126955079 (OP)
Fripp has been getting unjustified hate recently, probably in an attempt to get (you)s, which I'll gladly give
>>126955089
see, this is what I mean

bump

>>126955079 (OP)
Fripp glazing and meat-rider general.

post Magumin

Fripp is a gooner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24VmBWMkPyM

>>126959392
So that's why his music was available exclusively on Pornhub for a while

prog guitar ranked

>GOAT
Steve Howe
>Brilliant
Allan Holdsworth
Frank Zappa
>Great
Steve Hackett
David Gilmour
Steve Hillage
Martin Barre
Jan Akkerman
>Good
Pye Hastings
Robert Fripp
Mike Oldfield
Adrian Belew
Todd Rundgren
>Ok
Alex Lifeson
John Petrucci
Steven Wilson
Anthony Phillips
Peter Banks

>>126960644
>Zappa
>Brilliant
skibidi toilet

>>126960644
AI-tier stupidity. WTF is wrong with you.

>>126960644
gonna agree just because Howe is better than everyone else (which is demonstrably true)

>>126955079 (OP)
Daily reminder: Roger Waters is a communist.

>>126960705
care to elaborate on why you disagree?

>>126960644
Where is Andrew Latimer

>>126960644
Gilmour is the GOAT sorry.

>>126961920
Yeah he's Satan

>>126963005
Charade you are

now that the dust has finally settled, was it kino?

>>126963005
>t.

>>126965419
This must be kryptonite for Fripp haters

>>126965440
How low is Roger's testosterone?

>>126965419
It had its moments but overall is forgettable
You just know Fripp edited the hell out of it to make everyone but him look bad, especially Belew

>>126965951
>You just know Fripp edited the hell out of it to make everyone but him look bad, especially Belew
No, I don't know actually, tell me more

>>126955079 (OP)
based op

>>126960644
>Gilmour, Zappa, & Belew above Lifeson

>>126960644
do pianists now

>>126966221
>GOAT
Tony Banks
>Ok
Everyone else

>>126966244
yikes.

>>126965951
>the scene were Michael Giles tearfully apologizes to Fripp
The haters lost

>>126960691
Zappa has some hidden gems in the rough, his best stuff is often live. I'm a big fan of muffin man and black napkins. Still to this day some of the most unique guitar I've heard was off of that 20 minute version of black napkins

>>126965951
this
imagine being this vain 50 years after your debut
fripp is pathetic
>>126966154
Lifeson is skilled and competent, but his playing is soulless
he is just not as interesting as the other guitarists you've mentioned
>>126966878
>20 minute version of black napkins
amazing version, the vocals are sublime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GvS-AJmKCU&ab_channel=FrankZappa-Topic

>Tony Banks
>Robert Fripp
Who else posts here?

>>126967073
Gilmour

>>126967073
I do

>>126967129
Good try Rog

>>126965951
>>126967028
I thought it was pretty even handed. Fripp is shown to be both brilliant and onerous and his ex-colleagues are shown to have been both stimulated and scarred by the time they spent with him. Oh who am I kidding it's not like the anti-fripp spammers can be reasoned with.

>>126966221
>GOAT
Rick Wakeman
Keith Emerson
>Brilliant
Mike Ratledge
Vangelis
>Great
Dave Sinclair
Tony Banks
Kerry Minnear
John Evan
Patrick Moraz
Flavio Premoli
>Good
Roger Hodgson
Thijs van Leer
Hugh Banton
Geoff Downes
Alan Parsons
Dee Palmer
Rick Wright
John Tout
Vittorio Nocenzi
Jean-Luc Manderlier
>Ok
Brian Eno
Steve Windwood
Geddy Lee
Tony Kaye
Edgar Froese

>>126967191
I disagree
I think Fripp is a tremendous musician, but I honestly don't see him as being a musical genius, but rather as an authoritarian figure in his band
many musicians (some even more skilled and creative than him) bow down to his authority for the oportunity to play in King Crimson, but I don't believe the doc was honest in its display of how tense the atmosphere is in there
they make it seem as if playing with Fripp is some hardship to overcome for the sake of playing well, when really it mostly has to do with him being a hardass for no reason
it frankly seems petty of him, as if he romanticises this persona

>>126967028
Speaking as a Rush fan, I think Lifeson could best be described as a model hard rock/heavy metal guitarist. As a soloist, it's all about getting in and out quickly and efficiently, having it written out and melodically structured rather than improvised and spontaneous, and making a big impression. Alex was a master of that, especially in their 80s output when the songs got shorter and tighter. His solos were like their own episodes within the song.

>>126967354
>His solos were like their own episodes within the song.
That's the best way I could describe his solo on Between The Wheels

>>126967197
Where would you place Dave Greenslade, Mike Pinder, Peter Bardens, Francis Monkman, George Duke, Dave Stewart, Alan Gowen, Wooly Wolstenholme, Tim Blake, Manfred Mann, and Eddie Jobson?

>>126967253
>an authoritarian figure in his band
source

king crimson ain't all of that
Phil Collins' solo is still better

How come RYM gets to have images of King Crimson albums?

>>126968434
they kneeled down to fripp at some point, or they are breaking the law

Fripp cock sucking general

>>126967561
I'd rank Duke as brilliant, Gowen and Greenslade as good and the rest is either ok or I don't know well enough

>>126969174
because 2 people mildly defended him from irrational people that hate him for made up reasons?

>>126960691
hi Nicofaggot, i thought you died, literally no Zappa fans know what skibidi toilet is by the way.

Zeuhl band leaders ranked

>GOAT
Christian Vander
>Brilliant
Tatsuya Yoshida
>Great
?
>Good
?
>Ok
?

>>126971050
I was hating Zappa before nicotranny show up
>literally no Zappa fans know what skibidi toilet is by the way.
that makes it more funny

why do you ate Fridspp, IYS ONE ging tro disliokw Forippp vbur to HATRE is bad i;,m nit a fan either vut he gas a hjgfhjew hemas in the rifkjjgh

>>126971134
beg your pardon?

>>126971078
Zeuhl is such a silly meme, shouldn't even qualify as a subgenre
it's just symphonic prog with jazzy influence and gibberish lyrics

>>126971161
>symphonic prog with jazzy influence
so, cantleburry scene?

>>126971179
maybe
canterbury is jazzier, zeuhl is more symphonic
but they're pretty much just slight deviations from the main prog current
Gong and Magma are two sides of the same coin

>>126971030
/prog/ should be building bridges instead of burning them

>>126971145
THELA HUN GINJEET
THELA HUN GINJEET

>>126971340
There wasn't any bad blood between Peter and Phil in the first place

>>126971161
sounds like early Haken

>>126971483
>...or is it?

>>126971307
the jazz and classical influences in most Prog bands are often superficial, whereas Vander was deeply inspired by both. some 20th-century classical music and specific jazz artists sound much closer to Magma than most 70s Prog bands, Stravinsky's Les Noces is a good example, bands like Yes, ELP, Genesis, etc. have barely any Classical influence, and the little bit that is there can be reduced to a Gimmick, honestly it's kind of an insult that Magma is lumped in with these uninspired prog rock bands.

Has Coldplay ever made a prog rock song?

Daily reminder that...
>Discipline era King Crimson is not prog,
>Is a Talking Heads rip-off
>And Fripp is gay.

>>126972544
all true, but it's still a great album

>>126972544
The Heads if they had any talent whatsoever

>>126972703
Some tracks are okay.
>>126972906
Yeah, maybe. Still, the point remains.

>>126972047
major agree
mccoy tyner and max roach have some songs that sound way more like magma than any zeuhl bands. honestly, magma is the only zeuhl band. the rest should be called something stupid like "post-zeuhl" considering they lack most of the elements

>>126972544
did Fripp and Eno... you know... had a nice gentle Christmas in '77?

SOVL...

>>126972544
is that a soijack

>>126973652
fripp looks younger here than he did in the 70s

>>126973649
god damn it Kitafag you are ESL too? fuck you, get a waifu who's not a whore.

>>126973649
Fuck off Kitafag. You're not funny, always irritating, and bring nothing of value to these generals. We all hate you, kys.

>>126973694
how do I achieve that?

Post decent King Crimson albums that aren't that 80s slop.

>>126966878
zappa at his best was an unironic guitar god, he just got bored of being godlike and found more joy in being a goofy musical jester. i respect the hustle.

>>126973649
Stay here Kitafriend. You're funny, charming, and bring great value to these generals. We all love you, take care.

>>126975809
>album is named Starless and Bible Black
>cover is white
>song Starless is in album named Red
>album named Red has a black cover
fripp is a retard

>>126975785
that was a little too rude, i don't support this, i just think he's annoying.

>>126976231
2deep4u

Jakko once again saying KC is recording a new album
https://www.goldminemag.com/columns/21st-century-renaissance-man-jakko-m-jakszyk-acts-alone
>As we speak, we're doing a King Crimson studio album.
>When that will come out and what format or how—that's beyond my brief.
>The studio versions of those pieces and some other bits and pieces will emerge from putting it together. I think so.

>>126976451
what a waste of everyone's time
not a single 60s/70s band has put out anything worth listening to so late in their careers, except Bowie
KC has been a cover band of itself for decades

>>126960644
this but backwards

>>126976494
>not a single 60s/70s band has put out anything worth listening to so late in their careers, except Bowie
how can one man say this in the prog general when magma, jethro tull, and mike oldfield exist?

>>126976451
I hope it's mixed by Steven Wilson

so king crimson is recording a new album?

>>126967197
>Roger Hodgson

>>126976677
probably meant Rick Davies

>>126976451
He couldn’t have picked a more Fripp-unfriendly time for /prog/ to announce it

>Jakko
>Steven Wilson

>>126972198
you gonna ask this every thread?

>>126960644
What about Guthrie Govan

>>126967197
What about Richard Barbieri

Are Muse the most successful modern prog band?

>>126976451
Larks part DCLXVI

fripp turned out to be a cuck & a simp, so sad...

>>126977908
Muse? more like, snooze

is this the freakiest record zappa ever put out? because damn.. im not sure if i can play this one around the lads

>>126978801
>I love zappa cause he is so quirky ^_^
average zappa fan

>>126978816
Actual retard
>>126978801
Ship Arriving Too Late To Save A Drowning Witch is my favorite

>>126976412
Who gives a fuck?
>>126976149
Why don't you let Kitafag fuck you in the ass if you love them so much?

>>126979439
best album title/artwork for sure

>>126976594
Are any of Jethro Tull's albums from the 2020s any good? I enjoyed TAAB2, but that's an Ian Anderson solo album.

>>126979833
>Tull's
>plural
>2020's
this band actually has multiple albums released in the past 5 years?

>>126979953
2022, 2023, 2025
I remember seeing some of those on PA home page, but I figured they were new live albums or something.

>Roy Harper said that he was unhappy he had not been credited by the band for singing the song "for the first 10 or 15 years" after it came out. He also said he was not paid the agreed payment; he wanted tickets for life to Lord's (cricket grounds) but received "a few hundred quid" instead. Harper had to hire a lawyer to resolve this grievance, which he called "ironic" and said it made the song (which is about ripoffs in the music business) into a self-fulfilling prophecy by turning the collaboration among friends into "the dirty music business."
How could Roger do this?

>>126980374
honestly, it's easy to get things mixed when you call in close friends to work with you
the band probably thought Roy wouldn't miss a small credit in their album
they were in the wrong for not crediting him, but you can see how that happened

>>126967197
Vangelis was never the most technical player but he wrote Jeronimo Yanka which has the catchiest Hammond riff ever written.

>>126977908
>modern
lol they were successful like 20 years ago

>>126971161
Zeuhl has distinct characteristics that are clearly definable and observable and while present in non-zeuhl progressive rock bands, aren't staples found in every band. To the point even where there are zeuhl bands like Eskaton who sing in their native language rather than gibberish but can still be defined as zeuhl for having all of the vocal and instrumental qualities present in Magma; And to the point that instrumental zeuhl groups ranging from Ewaz Vader to Dun pop up and are recognized as zeuhl for showcasing a clear reverence for Magma's instrumental sound, particularly the Jannick and Paganotti eras.
To argue that zeuhl shouldn't actually exist because it's just jazzy symphonic prog is to argue that "symphonic prog" doesn't exist because it's just progressive rock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywC_R01Efz0

The idea that zeuhl doesn't actually exist and doesn't have defining characteristics is a meme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mtSFdZW2iE

>>126977908
They're just discount Radiohead (who are discount George Floyd)

>”Tubular bells!”
>*CLANNGGGG*
Jesus Christ my ears

>>126982020
I don't understand the "Muse is just crap Radiohead" thing.
Apart from the singers doing their whiny falsetto the bands sound nothing alike.
But then again I was listening to Muscle Museum once during work and the guy from finance asked me if I was listening to Radiohead so maybe they really sound alike and I just can't hear it.

King Crimson's trio of drummers sounds terrible. It makes the entire rhythm section sound really sloppy. Their new album will suck unless they get Bill Bruford out of retirement.

>>126978801
What? This is definitely one of his more accessible records, with the exception of the porn noises on The Torture Never Stops.

>>126982705
bruford is already out of retirement. Him being on the new one is possible, can't be ruled out
what would be really legendary though is if he somehow pulled Mike Giles out of retirement

>>126982324
there is no guarantee the new KC album will be good, THOUGH
>>126982705
having more than 1 drummer is unjustified, prove me wrong

She said love don't come easy

>>126982705
I did enjoy the combination of the raw power of Mastelotto and the finesse/technical ability of Harrison. Rieflin/Stacey existed and didn't really add anything.

It couldn't possibly be as bad as The Power to Believe, right?

>>126980374
>avowed antisemite roger waters
>engages in incredibly jewish business practices
really makes you think

/prog/ that gives off the feeling of space and sci-fi in general?

Hard mode: No pink floyd & No Time(elo)

>>126985866
Listening to Ga'an makes me think of playing Metroid for some reason.

>>126955079 (OP)
Where’s
>saw some of those pics with your missus…
>and they were BANG out of order

OUR GUY

>>126985866
Voivod.

>>126985866
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QV0oRq-_nw

>>126986046
He's your guy if you are a moron with no taste.

>>126985662
I'd be pumped if it were as good as one of their mid-tier albums.

>>126982705
I liked it. It allowed for some interesting rhythmic gimmicks, and it gave the whole band a beefier sound that complimented the heaviness of the latest incarnation.

>>126985662
Power to Believe was their only consistently strong album to come after Discipline.

>>126986840
The main problem for me was that it sounded terrible when they had to slow down the tempo for the classic sounds. The ending section of Starless sounds so lifeless and bland with them drummers plodding along.

>>126986507
what's wrong with him?

>>126967197
Where do Peter Bardens and Kit Watkins go?

>>126987582
He's a moron with shit taste.

the 80s kongs fucking suck ass
why did zappa think doing mock reggae was a fucking good idea?

>>126988916
nah he aight

rank your fav prog bands' discographies

>S
Discipljne
>D
Everything else

>>126991706
My favourite prog band is too obscure to have a tiermaker page

>>126992386
TALK TALK

>>126992847
well, make one

>>126991729
THIS IS THE STORY OF THE HARE WHO LOST HIS SPECTACLES

>>126960644
Chris Spedding of Nucleus?
In fact, what do you all think of Nucleus? I love Nucleus.

>>126992515
>Tannhauser that low
kill yourself

>>126992880
absolutely based

>>126992858
The Band?

>>126991706
all the studio stuff + plus the live releases ive listened to so far

>>126993181
Yes

>>126991706
fuck ratledge

>>126993887
You seem to enjoy his work though

>>126991706
easy one

>>126993916
yeah he aight

>>126981006
Anything past 2000 is modern
Also they are still selling out stadiums and topping the charts, how are they not successful?

>>126993848
Talk talk are prog?

>>126995543
prog or not, they are not very good

>>126993937
>Filtered by Calling all Stations

>>126993810
>Zess that low
>Kãrtëhl above Zess and Ëmëhntëhtt-Ré
>Ëmëhntëhtt-Ré that low
>no Ëmëhntëhtt-Ré Trilogy (their best live album so far)
>Retrospective 3 that low
>1.001 that low
i seriously can't criticize this ranking enough, one of the worst Magma rankings i've ever seen.

>>126982020
Muse does guitar music better with just 1 guitarist compared to Radiohead's 3 guitarists. Matt is also a better pianist than any Radiohead members. Their limitation is Matt is the only one with decent ideas and he hasn't been as good for a decade.

Acknowledge Kansas

>>126982705
>the entire rhythm section sound really sloppy
that's why it's good you fuckin plen
2deep4u

>>126997014
I acknowledge they suck

>>126996859
Hi Matt

>>126996859
>Their limitation is Matt is the only one with decent ideas
Chris Wolstenholme (I had to look up how to spell that) comes up with some of the best basslines in modern rock. He's also the only member of tbe band to get writing credits on a song but you are right, 99% of the tracks are credited solely to Bellamy.

>>126993937
based duke knower

>>126959414
FUCK man, I remember the pornhub days.

>>126961241
probably curing someone of their insomnia.

>>126995862
BITCH half of Ëmëhntëhtt-Ré is just rehashed tracks that sound better anywhere else, and Zess was perfected in the Mythes & Legendes series. The studio ver has no fucking energy whatsoever by comparison.
Mite bump up 1001 because now that I think about it it's quite good aside from the last track, but those releases are not it senpai.

>>126997546
Hope it goes well for them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvhsM3scfyg

I love this song so much
How can Steven write such beautiful songs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6V6YVX95dE

>>126997452
I remember watching a potato quality vhs rip of Let It Be on pornhub

Man Steve Wilson does post here.
Fuck you Steve your remixes suck.

>>126976451
>jakkoslop
yeah fuck that

>>126998396
I will never forgive him for removing the synth from Indoor Games.

>>126997852
>The studio ver has no fucking energy
for me it's the opposite, the live version feels like it's missing something, especially once you get to the later half of it, which is weird because i almost always prefer live Magma, no the studio version of Zess is definitely better.
and Ëmëhntëhtt-Ré is better than Udu Wudu, i always felt like Udu Wudu seemed to be more "thrown together" or almost like a Demo or EP or something, where Ëmëhntëhtt-Ré sounds like a finished album, the songs were fully realized, Magma was always better at making Suites rather than short individual pieces.

>>127001470
Nta, but I agree with you that the studio recording of Zess is better. Granted, I still enjoy the live versions.

>>126995543
I think they're overrated as hell.

>>126955079 (OP)
I probably thought he was cucked by Toyah once.
I've literally done nothing else wrong.

>>126997858
I can't comprehend someone using that as their biggest refutation of Camel being boring.

>>127001930
Yes

Anyone claiming Camel is boring is full of shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TakazuzJVPc

Bill > Phill

>>127002465
The band?

>>127003892
No. The Band are perfectly rated.

>>127003428
Phil had more sovl

>>127003962
...before he took over the band

>>127004836
A post on this board once claimed that the band's new direction was mostly Banks' idea and he kinda ran the show in the post-Gabriel and post-Hackett era.
Any proof of that? I'm curious because I like Phil and don't like the shit he gets from Gabriel fans.

>>127005034
>Any proof of that?
Everyone in the band has said it, including Tony himself. Phil was actually the glue holding the band together and kept everyone else's egos in check.

>ELP’s Works I&II in 1977
>Fanfare for the Common Man is amazing
>Love Beach in 1978 is nuclear dogshit, the worst prog record ever made
How? Also 1978 was cursed apparently, Tormato, Love Beach, Phil Collins join Genesis, Giant for a Day was meh, and Jethro Tull started slowing down

>>127005486
Punk changed the game and the industry
recording studios got prog bands to reshape their sound in order to regain the public, with awkward results
bands that avoided becomming commercial got to retain their inventive sound for a while

>>127005486
>>Love Beach in 1978 is nuclear dogshit, the worst prog record ever made
absolutely FILTERED by KINO Beach

>>127005486
They should've broken up after Brain Salad Surgery. They'd taken the maximalist wank gimmick as far as it could go. Works was the work (heh) of a band that was so egomaniacal that they couldn't bother to function as a cohesive unit anymore, and so rich and distracted they couldn't bother to put in the effort anyway.

>>127005507
Punk was not a relevant force in the industry as far as selling millions of records was concerned. That's just what rock critics wanted to believe because they were desperate for punk to topple the establishment and save them from AOR, but it didn't work out like that. What really killed prog's golden age was the excess of the industry backfiring on them and the economic slump forcing labels to prioritize more commercial music.

>>127005628
>What really killed prog's golden age was the excess of the industry backfiring on them and the economic slump forcing labels to prioritize more commercial music.
correct, prog digged its own grave.
ELP is the perfect representation of the prog movement. They reached the peak of popularity on their time, and then they tried to go full orchestra, and it backfired.

>>127005679
even if ELP did fly too close to the sun, why did the rest of the entire prog industry fall apart as well and so quickly?
and not only prog rock, but most classic rock bands started to fall apart in the late 70s
Zeppelin, Sabbath, Deep Purple, The Who, Rolling Stones, The Kinks, Grateful Dead, Jefferson Airplane... pretty much all the big rock acts from the late 60s/early 70s saw a dip in appeal by the end of the decade

>>127005422
>Source: I don't have a source

>>127005864
well, there was this cultural thing on the mid 70s. After the vietnam failure there was a 50s nostalgia, meaning, going back to the basics

>>127005507
>>127005563
I get a gradual decline, but did something happen between ’77 and ’78 that caused that bad of a shift?
As a Yes fan I’ve been really confused for some time with how they managed to go from Going for the One to Tormato and so completely lose all tone, style, and direction in just one year. Was it that it was produced by themselves?

>>127005864
The whole industry was too bloated. The late 70s weren’t a prosperous time for any business but especially not the entertainment business. The ground-up model of building success wasn’t worth the risk anymore, and all that cocaine money and alimony wasn’t going to pay itself.

>>127005864
economic recession --> reactionary politics --> anti-art and anti-intellectual stances
Reagan and Thatcher fucked the world in so many ways

>>127006175
well thats just how things work. times change, nothing remains

>>127005864
ignore the other responses there was clearly a conspiracy to destroy Prog, because Prog stood in opposition to what "they" want for the general population, which is low frequency, degenerate pop """art""".

guys can i get a recommendation in the vein of this?
https://voca.ro/1mmawzV32dKz
dark, ethereal, atmospheric

Limelight expresses with more insight and dignity in 4 and a half minutes what Roger Waters took 80 minutes to whine about on The Wall.

>>127009543
>insight in a rush song
come on now

>>127003373
I genuinely can't tell if this is bait or not.

>>126993810
Felicite Thosz is unironically in my top 3 Magma albums, along with KA and Kohntarkosz.

Waters is going to jail
https://www.loudersound.com/bands-artists/i-am-spartacus-pink-floyd-roger-waters-risks-jail

>>127010210
Supporting a direct action group instead of some bitchy ineffectual boycott group is the only based thing he’s ever done.

>>127009543
this album moggs anything Roger ever did

>>127010210
>Waters is going to jail
I hope so. Fuck that anti-white commie, and I hope he gets raped in jail too.

>>127011670
Bruford is ready to play

>>127012628
he only hates j*wish "people" aldoebeit
he'd be the king of /prog/ if it weren't for those lousy solo records

Caravan

IT'S UP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GtVGB6Djus