if axl rose killed himself and kurt didn't, how different would things be?

Not that much. They'd both be dead, Kurt wasn't going to survive with his heroin addiction.

>>126958553 (OP)
People would feel bad for Axl instead of making fun of him for gaining weight because he didn't want to keep seeing the man who raped him every time he looked in the mirror. Just like people make fun of MJ because he didn't want to be reminded of the man who abused him. Or people make fun of Corey Feldman for acting exactly like the victim of child sexual abuse.

>>126958934
I forgot to mention the nobody today would know about Nirvana if Kurt was still alive. I don't give a FUCK what the internet says, I was around at the time. Nirvana was a shit band that only had a handful of loser fans until Kurt killed himself. His death made the band bigger than it should. Literally no other band from that time or genre maintained their fame til today. That genre doesn't even exist. Kurt is the outlier ONLY because he blew his fucking brains out.

>>126958934
>>126958970
These are incredibly based and accurate posts

>>126958970
>His death made the band bigger than it should.

How. Elliot Smith, Chester, Ian Curtis killed themselves but that never made me like their music.
You can't just like someone's music because they offed themselves, stupidest shit I ever heard

>>126959389
His early death makes people wonder what could have been despite use having 3 albums of garbage to tell us Kurt was only gonna put out more shit

>>126959415
So why would anyone like "garbage" just because he killed himself

Music history is full of musicians/rockstars that have remained obscure despite suiciding. Nick Drake for example

>>126959389
I wish Elliot Smith and Ian Curtis were bigger than Nirvana because they were actually good and not lame shit for edgy teens

>>126959491
I have no clue, anon. People think this shit sounds good and think they were robbed of future greatness. They get real romantic about death.

>>126958970
>I was around at the time. Nirvana was a shit band that only had a handful of loser fans until Kurt killed himself

This is how i know you are a retarded lying zoomer you can't claim they had no fans and were mostly unknown until Kurt died when footage like this exists:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdU9SVJ_pY4

>>126959622
Ah cool. Nirvanafags have arrived with their gay nonsense. Can't wait for post charts.

Same result, music industry would be full of liberals

Kurt would still have died maybe a year or two later from something heroin related

>>126959622
Fuck you you disengenous retard. I know for a fact you are a zoomer because that wasn't a Nirvana concert you fucking moron. Do you even know the name of the event or who was running it you retardo?

>>126959632
Are you suggesting Nirvana was unpopular and had no fans in the early 90s? That's just objectively false and i don't even like their music look at the crowd here >>126959622 you're saying that all those people were not there to see the band preforming?

>>126959668
>that wasn't a Nirvana concert you fucking moron

>Literally footage of Nirvana playing a concert

You have to be trolling you can not be this retarded

>>126958970
>>126959562
Ironically, Nirvana would be considered patrician in this timeline.

>>126959677
I'm suggesting Nirvana sucks ass

>>126959691
Go ahead and post the crowd to Ozzy's concert and claim the people are all there for Slayer. You moron.

>>126959707
But the person in this thread saying Nirvana was some unknown underground band until Kurt dies is objectively wrong. I think they suck too but they were huge while Kurt was alive
>>126959711
There are plenty of other examples of Nirvana playing huge arenas and stadiums in 93/94 so your retarded point about Nirvana having no fans until Kurt's death is still wrong

>>126959742
Keep lying.

>>126959622
>>126959742
You're being hyperbolic, he never said that Nirvana was underground post-Nevermind.
He's right that Nirvana was a niche. They were definitely a big and well-known band, but it's not like they were way above Pearl Jam or anything in popularity. There used to be more popular things that were still niche.
And he's also correct that Nirvana would be talked about less today if Kurt was still alive. I think they would still be one of the most popular alternative rock bands, but they definitely wouldn't be such a 'normie' thing today. Kurt Cobain literally might be the most famous and well-known rock star among zoomer normies, even above someone like Elvis. That wouldn't have been possible if he hadn't killed himself.
Having said all that, I'm a huge fan of the band and I would like them regardless of whether or not he killed himself. They might be my favorite band of all time.

>>126959742
Keep

>>126959742
Lying

>>126959770
Thank you for mentioning Pearl Jam. That's how I know you were around at the time.

>>126959770
Nirvana had no fans until kurt killed himself. Nobody listened to them or knew who they were in the early 90s

>>126959811
so Nevermind wasn't actually a big deal when it first came out? as a zoomie i feel lied to i was told smells like teen spirit was the biggest song of the ninties

https://www.a-4-d.com/t545-1992-09-10-11-dd-rip-i-axl

>RIP: Remember when you actually moved into The Record Plant and set up camp?

>AXL: There was no heat in that room. It was a cold, lonely place, but it was the only place I could stay to keep myself in the work. It was cool-looking, but it was dark, cold and weird! It got to the point that certain people could tell just by the way I was talking, the tone of my voice, that I wasn't right. A friend brought by some Christmas presents. Another flew out unannounced and stayed with me Christmas Day, because they were very worried that I wasn't going to make it through. I couldn't leave the studio, but I couldn't go back to my condo because of my neighbor. That was a nightmare. It was also wild, because these people didn't know anything about the Christmas before, when I was driving to your house, trying to find someone with dope on the way because I wanted to OD. I could always relate to the Hanoi Rocks song "Dead by Christmas." It's been two Christmases since then, though, and this past one was probably the nicest I've had in 29 years.

>>126960173
Lol, no. Pearl Jam was the biggest band out of that genre and dominated the airwaves and MTV/VHS back in the early/mid 90s. Grunge itself was dead by the late 90s. Nirvana's popularity skyrocketed after Kurt's death. Same thing happened to James Dean, Hank Williams, Heath Ledger, etc. Celebrities that die right after having a very brief stint with fame. After so many years they become mythologised because of the eternal 'what if?'.

>>126960393
To be fair, Hank Williams was already immensely popular during that time and considered the GOAT. Him dying early just solidified that he was about that life.

if axl killed himself, how much would people still want to call him an asshole?

>>126958553 (OP)
real legend for his voice, Axl would have been a great addition to the 27 club room, change my mind, protip you can't

>>126958553 (OP)
No difference at all expect we would have actually lost someone with actual talent.

>>126958970
>, I was around at the time. Nirvana was a shit band

This

>>126960393
Smells Like Teen Spirit wasn't even a hit. Barely anyone bought Nevermind at release all that shit about Nirvana has been mythologized by Millennials who were toddlers when Kurt was alive

>>126959622
Sure the group think mass will make it appear they had fans.

>>126960173
Teen Spirit was in heavy rotation on MTV during the day.
It was such a popular song, it was even played in clubs where normies were dancing on it. Source: I was there, in the club.

The album reached number 1, it sold very well.

Whoever tells you Pearl Jam was big is a moron. Nobody except rockers knew who PJ was. If I ask people from my family, cousins, sister, etc, nobody knows who PJ was. But they know Nirvana, they know Teen Spirit and the Unplugged show.

You have to understand that after the initial megasuccess, Cobain sabotaged the band, refused to play big arenas, refused Lollapalooza, while corporate rock like Pearl Jam never said no. They keep dangling the Ticketmaster shit to save face, but that came later, after they played all the big arenas and stadiums. Cringest band ever

>>126958872
They'd both be dead because Kurt DIDN'T kill himself.

>>126960576
I don't understand all you lying faggots in this thread trying to rewrite history. Nirvana was a popular band while they were active, whether or not you like the music or hate Kurt Cobain is irrelevant. Nirvana sold a lot of records. They were on MTV all the time. They were famous. End of story

>>126960576
Meds ASAP

>>126960725
They have always been a niche band. That's why there used to be the memes of people wearing Nirvana shirts but never knowing more than one song. Everyone, even their small fanbase, knew that nobody gave a shit outside one song. Their original fans got to watch their band get turned into a fashion statement.

You weren't there, you wouldn't understand.

Let me put it this way, and older people can attest to this, Jackyl had more songs played on the radio throughout the 90s than Nirvana. All Nirvana had was the one song.

>>126958553 (OP)
Things would be better.

>>126960393
It’s funny when zoomers think their perview of seeing a YouTube video gives them a better vantage point than actually living the ‘90s

>>126958970
>I was around at the time

Yeah we used to have to deal with clowns like you all the time fucking with "the skater kids" until you aged 35 more years, sat your fat ass in front of /mu/, and tried to act like your wigger ass wasn't mainly listening to shit like Naughty By Nature and Boyz II Men back then. You clearly have no idea just how large they really were by the time of his suicide.

Or you're a LARPing zoomer

do you think kurt would have gotten into an online controversy by now?

>>126963113
If Nirvana is a "niche band" with a small audience than so was U2 and Red Hot Chili Peppers

>>126959770
they were the biggest band in the world at the time, if anything their popularity waned after kurt died, zoomer retard

>>126963113
>You weren't there, you wouldn't understand.

You obviously weren't there either lying faggot

>>126960576
Smells Like Teen Spirit literally charted at #6 on the US top 40. The fuck you going on about?

>>126958553 (OP)
no difference. they were both about equal if you think about it. both bands only made 2 albums and were only around for a very short time. if axl died in 1992 people would have wondered what sort of great music he would have made if he had lived. of course we know he didnt make any so... and kurt was your typical one hit wonder, if he had lived he would have put out stuff like pearl jam and it would have been totally forgotten as the years went on

>>126958872
Yeah this. Kurt was slowly killing himself. It's an anomaly that Steve Albini survived as long as he did.

>>126958553 (OP)
Part 1 of 2
Dave Grewl would leave Nirvana, talk shit about Cobain and form Foo Fighters. Pat Smear, who also was a member of Nirvana would first pretend he's an OG for Cobain but then he'd follow Dave like a bitch. Krist would leave the music industry like he always wanted to. Cobain would become second fiddle to Hole for years and take about a decade tto come up with a shitty nu-folk acoustic album trying to relive the glory days of Nirvana's unplugged. He'd get some tranny to play the cello and a New Orleans gypsy would play the accordeon. The songs would be about "deconstructing racism within White folk music [while ignoring jews like Bob Dylan who called blacks negroes in his songs] and uplifting blacks out of self-humiliation within the blues roots songbook". He'd tour dike college campuses exclusively. Hole would divorce him at this time claiming he'd been getting pegged by several dikes, but not by her. She'd give the judge a blowjob and he'd side with her. Cobain would lose all his money and contracts in this divorce. Obama would say Tupac would never be a bitch like Cobain. But Cobain in return would publish a memoir where he confessed to the world that he had a hot passionate homosexual relationship with Tupac.

>>126967216
Part 2 of 2
This would send ripples throughout the world and make Trump run for 2012 with the slogan "look how the negroes messed my Aryan boy". He'd win by a landslide and hang Obama for his crimes against Cobain. Trump would then make Cobain the global representative of Aryans. Cobain would ascend spiritually, cure his addictions and perform miracles on every White Human. By 2016 Trump would be the king of the USA. By 2020 he'd have conquered every land from Panama to Russia to the North pole. Covid as we know it wouldn't have happened because China wouldn't have had any virus lab investments from Canada. Some chinks would die from eating ebola bats and that's it. Russia would be an ally of the USA and together they'd genocide the ayyy trying to start shit on their own here. Cobain's army of powerful Aryan druids would seal the ayys in the demon dimension and put the jews there too for good measure. 2025 would be the start of Humanity's glory.

>>126967212
>It's an anomaly that Steve Albini survived as long as he did

Steve never did smack or was ever really a hard drinker/druggie from what i know. My man just enjoyed competitive poker, roast beef sandwiches and child pornography

>>126967229
He did heroin.

>>126967246
Really? Any interview where he talks about it?

>>126967229
I doubt be was actually a pdf nor killed anybody. It was an act. The heroin though definitely true. Also probably mentally ill enough not to know when to stop haha.

>>126958872
he'd have had a chance of recovery if he split with courtney, but francis bean was the nail in his coffin

>>126966737
Yeah, they were. That's why neither have been musically relevant since the 90s.

>>126967489
So what was a band that was "big" in the nineties according to you? Because if U2 were small time by your standards than i guess The Beatles were minor celebs with a cult following then too

>>126967507
I'm done arguing with bots. You can look up the record sales pre and post Kurt.

What do you think Cobain would have said about Axl killing himself?

>>126967524
So anyone who disagrees that U2 were a small underground band in the 90s is a bot now? Holy fuck take your meds

>>126967556
No. I'm saying that you are a bot trying to switch the argument to U2 and RHCP because you can't face the reality that Nirvana was more popular due to Kurts death than before and you have nothing to back your claims. Whereas I not only have already posted the record sales, but I was also alive at the time. You have no more arguments so now you want to argue U2 like anyone here gives a shit.

>>126967854
If Nirvana wasn't famous or popular while they were active explain >>126967019 then?

>>126967976
One of their only songs to chart and it never even topped out. Now does that sound like a world famous band to you? Or does it sound more like an up and coming band that maybe had potential if the singer didn't blow his brains out. There is no evidence that can be presented that shows Nirvana's popularity better than their ultra pathetic record sales. Here, explain this:
>>126959802
>>126959811
Now watch as your fragile zoomie brain can't accept this reality because you built your entire personality around idolizing a loser that couldn't sing, couldn't play an instrument, never had a chart topping song, married to another loser skank, couldn't stop doing heroin, biggest concert he played was in fucking Brazil, and then finally blew his brains out the second he was sober enough to realise he'd have to actually TRY at something for once in his life to get better.

>>126959389
guy, you are literally making the dude's point.
joy division never really had any big hits when they were alive, but most people who follow music now know who they are because to a large degree the lead singer offed himself/died young.

Honestly, considering all the drugs they'd inhaled and their other vices, I'm surprised that all members of Guns n' Roses are still alive to this day.

>>126960661
shut up faggot. pearl jam released their follow-up (vs.) to their breakthru at near exact same time as nirvana's follow-up to breakthru (in utero).
pearl jam's 'vs' outsold nirvana's 'in utero' 6-1.
pearl jam had eclipsed nirvana so much by the time of cobain's suicide it's not even funny.

>>126958553 (OP)
Would’ve never happened. Axl is, and forever will be, a chad. Those phenotypes do not commit suicide.

>>126971286
Neither did Kurt.

>>126970627
I love how you move the goal posts constantly as to explain why a band that was about to headline Lollapalooza in '94 and had just preformed on MTV unplugged, who had also played at the 1992 VMAs was "unpopular, small time, had no fans until the singer died"

>>126971286
He almost did though, then he got christmas presents
>>126960254

>>126971391
>that was about to
Thanks for agreeing that their fame and legacy is 100% based on WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN. They didn't have any hits outside of 1 fucking song before Kurt died. You can 'fact check' this shit all day and you'll never have any evidence to prove that they were famous outside of their manager getting them TV gigs or the crowd sizes to concerts they weren't even the main attraction (not to mention the fact it's considered their worst performance). They were a niche band in a niche genre that lasted 5 fucking years. Dave Grohl should have went with Kurt so I wouldn't have to deal with these retarded ass Nirvanafags.

>>126972460
These bots are programmed to spread the lie that Nirvana and Kurt were famous in the early 90s. No one heard of them until well after 9/11 when Hot Topic started selling their t shirts

>>126972515
>>126972460
>>126970627
There’s something almost supernatural about the zoomer inability to meme/troll… there’s never any personality to it… just comes across as “I heard these knee jerk opinions on YouTube lol”

> couldn't play an instrument, never had a chart topping song, married to another loser skank, couldn't stop doing heroin, biggest concert he played was in fucking Brazil

Genuinely 100% thought that was talking about the “we just want to be safe” moment

https://youtu.be/smlzq_Eu6wg

>>126971177
And what represents Pearl Jam today?
Less than even Oasis

>>126971075
That doesn't mean there's a real Joy Division revival like there is for Nirvana.
There are just instahoes buying the tshirt and being posers, but there's no significant increased interest in their music now.

>>126958872
Kratom extract would have saved him. All the fun of strong opioids but you can't really die from it.especially accidentally

>>126972624
That shitty documentary Montage of Heck didn't help either. Through the use of clever editing and outright manipulation of interviewees they make it seem like Nirvana was some big deal in the 90s when in reality they were nobodies

>>126972971
Were you an adult in the 90s?

>>126958872
If John Frusciante could make it out of heroin, Kurt and Layne would've.

>>126973310
Yes, and >>126959765>>126959802
>>126959811 have already proven that Nirvana was not popular before Kurts death

>>126973467
Are you high?

>>126972706
zoom zoom here theres millions of local bands of fellow zoomers in my scene emulating the joy division sound

>>126966737
>>126967489
>>126967507
>>126967556
>>126967854

>>126973504
It's some weird samfagging schizo who insists they were a well adjusted adult in the 1990s and there is some kind of Mandela Effect going on where Nirvana was this minor underground band that no one had heard of until the singer killed themselves

>>126973589
Explain their album sales and a decade of memes from their very small fanbase gatekeeping BECAUSE THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO KNOW OF NIRVANA ONLY KNOW OF THEM DUE TO KURTS DEATH. The majority of their fans came after his death. Case in point: the very zoomers, like yourself, in this thread.

>As it toured Europe during late 1991, the band found that its shows were dangerously oversold, that television crews were becoming a constant presence onstage, and that "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was almost omnipresent on radio and music television.[55] By Christmas 1991, Nevermind was selling 400,000 copies a week in the US.[56] In January 1992, the album displaced Michael Jackson's Dangerous at number one on the Billboard album charts, and topped the charts in numerous other countries.[57]

>>126973742
Let me guess, Dave Grohl is some washed up nobody playing a locat dive bar on the weekends according to you?

>axl kills himself in the thread op
>everyone is talking about nirvana
lol poor axl

>>126973804
Fake AI gibberish

>>126974116
Guns and Roses weren't famous ever either

>>126973856
Once again, we are talking about Nirvana. Refute anything I said.

>>126972695
you make no sense.
the thread is on how suicide/dying young affects career.
and you point to fact nirvana is now bigger than pearl jam.
no, duh.
but it's literally because the lead dude for nirvana offed himself when he was still near the top and thus became a romantic figure for future generations.
but when they were both alive and there was no 'die young' variable upping the appeal of one of the two, pearl jam had completely eclipsed flash in the pan, nirvana. again, their follow-up outsold nirvana's 6-1. a lot of people were over nirvana, kurt cobain, and the whole courtney/kurt heroin while pregnant drams when he offed himself.

>>126975556
No fuck that
History is full of "romantic figures" I don't give a shit about and whose works I dislike

>>126975556
How do I make myself like Joy Division because their singer killed himself?
I just never liked their music and I still don't

>>126958553 (OP)
This thread is very schizophrenic for some reason

Guns and Roses were hot with their breakthrough
Nirvana became huge when they released Nevermind - MTV was all over them and Teen Spirit was in heavy rotation almost immediately. When Cobain died, MTV milked every goddamn cent out of it. It was nuts, everybody who was in the scene was asked about how they felt by journalists - just so they could sell magazines.

Death was a modicum of entertainment back then

If Cobain had lived and Axl dead, maybe the band would have gotten some other dude to sing because Slash is the true star for GNR

>>126976339
I think the concept of this thread is fucked.

>>126976104
>>126976113
nobody cares what you do or don't like, zoom zoom.
it's just basic observation to point out pop/rock musicians who die young often become much more famous with future generations than some of their peers who didn't.
buddy holly, ritchie valens (i mean they made a big hollywood movie about a a two-hit wonder who probably nobody would have even remembered 5 years after his last hit if he didn't die in that plane crash), jim morrison, janis joplin, jimi hendrix, jim croce, joy division guy, sid vicious, selena, kurt cobain, amy winehouse.
movies too: james dean, rivers phoenix, heath ledger.
if cobain hadn't died when he did, he probably would have become as irrelevant as alanis morissette, whose unexpected rocket rise to stardom a few years later most resembles cobain's.

>>126958553 (OP)
We'd get Myles Kennedy as the GnR singer and everyone would be happy

>>126974116
The thread is gay anyway.

>>126976339
the band would have gotten some other dude to sing because Slash is the true star for GNR
>>126976704

>>126976855
Its the fucking samefag Nirvana spammer who keeps posting his seethe about them all over this thread

>>126976864
Slash? Didn't he leave the band in 90s and they replaced him right after?

>>126976881
Axl got rid of everyone and Slash went onto collab *with* pretty much everyone, even playing GnR songs.

>>126976609
Blablabla babby's first post-hoc rationalisation

>>126958970
ahhh you're one of THOSE people

>>126972769
weird that I'm on that right now lol

>>126977198
He's the samefagging shizo who keeps posting about how Nirvana was an unknown indie band before Kurt died

>>126958970
Yeah, Eddie Vedder is such an obscure personality.

>>126958553 (OP)
I used to love how Beavis and Butt-Head would make fun of Axl in the books. Strangely they didn't seem to hate GnR on the TV show and the books were written by the TV writers.

So if Axl dies, is it before or after the tour with Metallica when everyone learned how much Axl sucked? It took Ozzy retiring for James Hetfield to be around him again.

>>126977425
There's that christmas story that was posted earlier that was one suicide attempt
>>126960254
And Doug Goldstein mentioned one that happened in 1989
https://tonedeaf.thebrag.com/axl-rose-suicide-attempt/

>>126973352
Wrong. Frusciante had Jesus Christ on his side. Kurt didnt. Sorry but even if you are a fedora tipper you have to admit that for some people it gives them the strenght and support they need. (also the real healing power of Jesus Christ)

>>126958970
Grunge isn't a genre, it's just rock.

>>126958553 (OP)
Guns n roses would have continued with another singer, or one them would sing.
Nirvana would have faded into obscurity.

>>126958553 (OP)
is gnr having a revival? Just the other day I saw a boomer on the train loudly watching Welcome to the Jungle, bro was reliving his youth
https://youtu.be/o1tj2zJ2Wvg?si=JAa_pHrv9zDfVRwT

would people want to romanticise axl?

>>126958970
This but Foo Fighters instead of Nirvana.
They'd rightly be viewed as a shitty buttrock band in the same tier as Nickelback if it wasn't for the sympathy and goodwill everyone had for Dave Grohl.

>>126978691
Zoomer detected.

>>126958553 (OP)
Axl would have died at his peak, while Kurt would have grown ever more mediocre, of course.

Why are they so mad that Kurt didn't blow out their asses?

>>126967353
He was friends with someone who got charged with CP and bragged about viewing it himself in zines. Huge red flag.

>>126971391
He has no idea what he is talking about. My dad was in high school when Nirvana came out. They were huge at the time.

>>126958970
>I forgot to mention the nobody today would know about Nirvana if Kurt was still alive.
Girls at my school were obsessed with kurt cobain before he killed himself. I listened to nirvana as well, but mostly thought of it as any other hard rock band (except that it was a bit of a gateway into talking to girls).
I don't know what would have happened if he didn't kill himself, but he definitely would still be considered a major musician of the 90s.

>>126958934
feelsfuckingbad man. elliott smith is another example where you can just tell they had a shitty childhood. i could've fucking saved them.

Was there and i recall only a single loser kid from my class liked Nirvana. He then switched to punk and then killed himself. All the cools listened to AiC and Pearl Jam. I listened to Marilyn Manson :-)~~

>>126976339
>maybe the band would have gotten some other dude to sing because Slash is the true star for GNR
they did that

>>126985214
>>126985826
Nope, Nirvana was a unknown, unpopular bar band until the early 2000s when their T shirts began to sell

>>126985887
So, you were an edgy gayboi.

I'm glad he didn't kill himself and I'm saddened that Kurt preferred to leave. How different things would be? Quite, specially for mainstream rock music and the MTV, because, like it or not Kurt ended up becoming a spokesman for a lot of young folks from his generation, so a lot of people looked up to him for politics and stuff, while axl was more about stage presence and music, truth is though that after the use your illusion tour, axl disappeared for many years, which distanced himself even more. Music would be interesting, I believe Kurt's passing played an emotional role in Axl's *estrangement, probably Layne Staley's also. It'd be like guessing what music in the late 60s and 70s would have been like if Dylan had died in that motorcycle crash that broke his neck.

>>126958553 (OP)
desu this would probably be better unironically lol
by all means

>>126958553 (OP)
>how different would things be?

>>126986578
i like this answer