Papa edition
https://youtu.be/M47D_3UhnXk
This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.
>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFeh
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Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO8CUOTbai8
based, been too much Haydn hate in these threads lately
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jcyMAefNZ8&list=OLAK5uy_lLZLxGl4aUeVtbolQO2-xvrWQspzcCQgE&index=7
Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTU7ekTUJ2Q
Reich
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgjwiadze1w
Jean-Baptiste Lully
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1ngcsx1Drs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaid29fmsMc
>Bach and Before, Debussy/Ives after
How did you celebrate the 4th /classical/, hopefully with some polytonal, polyrhythmic, and the sentimental Americana.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caNeSR1F9A0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCoOqsxLxSo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b01IyzV5i2I
>>126977354excellent question RYMsister
Remember
>Chabrier, Moussorgsky, Palestrina, voilà ce que j'aime" – they are what I love.
Why haven't you've taken the alt-romantic path yet? Mussorgsky(and the rest of the five), Chabrier, and Franck are goated, and the only composers that are acceptable on the BBIApill
I went to university where JM Coetzee has an honorary title and centre of practice. He got his novel adapted to an opera by Philip Glass. I've never met Coetzee but he actually knows who I am (I went into a PhD and caused a fuss over studying Ezra Pound, known fascist).
Sadly, I can only find the opera on Spotify and it's not allowed on YouTube for copyright reasons.
https://open.spotify.com/album/6qsOJ0yt83AY8h1r0zIg6W?
>>126977420>(I went into a PhD and caused a fuss over studying Ezra Pound, known fascist).Seriously? Very cool. So you're a master and scholar of The Cantos?
>>126977741I'm a bit of a casual scholar, from what other experts and professors have said. I'm a maverick like EP himself.
I specialized in The Cantos for about 8 - 10 months before leaving the PhD, meaning I've read all of it several times and most secondary literature worth reading on it. I have made some ad hoc lectures and have a book review on a monograph about The Adams Cantos.
I still like Brahm's First Piano Concerto better than Brahm's Second.
>>126976947I just learned that Karl Richter is playing the harpsichord in this. Interesting
>>126977420>Ezra Poundhuh. they glossed over the fascist bit when I was in Jr High. They did the same for Gertrude Stein in high school
>>126978016He was tried for war crimes against the USA for radio broadcasts that were funded by Mussolini's regime. Pound supported and met Mussolini, but never met Hitler, even though his anti-semitic broadcasts were similar enough to Goebbels' speeches at the time. It's weird they left that out in Jr High because Ezra Pound was famously omitted from the American canon in the latter part of the 20th century because of his fascism; he was still admired by a lot of poets, including Ginsberg (beat generation) and formalists like Zukofsky. A more scathing critique came from public intellectual, Harold Bloom, but he isn't taken as seriously in literary studies as the layman might think.
Who is your favourite pianist? Bonus points if they were a composer too.
I wonder who Jeffrey Epstein’s favorite composer was. He definitely seemed like someone who listened to classical music.
>>126978278https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/22/business/jeffrey-epstein-william-derosa.html
He owned a cello worth almost $170,000
https://www.infobae.com/en/2022/04/25/jeffrey-epstein-and-music-abuse-of-female-students-a-rare-cello-and-a-mystery-that-endures/
I knew there was a reason that I had never trusted cellists.
>>126978317He was a Bassoonist
>It was as a bassoonist that Jeffrey earned a scholarship in 1967 to Interlochen, the prestigious summer music camp nestled in the woods of northern Michigan.
>>126978323He seems to have been quite the Renaissance man.
> He said that the recipient of the cello, a young Israeli named Yoed Nir, had to try the instrument first. DeRosa knew almost all the promising cellists, but she had never heard of Nir.
>DeRosa had the cello to try it out and Nir played it on a visit to DeRosa's mother's house in Los Angeles. Nir, about 30 years old and with dark shoulder-length hair, who waved dramatically while playing, performed some of Bach's unaccompanied cello suites. It was clear that he had musical training (he had graduated from the Jerusalem Academy of Music and Dance), but DeRosa considered that his playing was not exceptional according to her exacting judgment. I could think of many young cellists most deserving of such an instrument. “I thought it was rather strange that Jeffrey had chosen this guy,” DeRosa recalls.
Schoenberg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-pVz2LTakM
>>126977401Debussy was a Wagnerian in denial.
>>126978502Debussy was a Chopinist, everybody knows this. Debussy was the greatest composer for the piano next to Chopin as well.
>>126978524Chopin wasn't even a greater composer for the piano than Beethoven, although admittedly more suited to it.
>>126978666Chopin is too idiosyncratic. Most pianists who interpret him get it wrong, because it's not the playing style that most pianists can inflect with life.
Who achieved more by the age of 31?
Medieval music had jazzy elements, according to David Munrow. Weird that improv and scatology went missing in classical music after the Age of Enlightenment. Do you guys think it's because music was standardized?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XZihrNu3io
>>126978858Mozart loved scatology and fart jokes
>>126978877I heard that. His letters and diaries suggest he was very ribald.
>>126978666Chopin was definitely the greater piano composer, you don't know what you're talking about.
>>126978889thank you chopincel
Some gems on this channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSJ6uOR567Y
>>126978893thank you musiclet
Shosta
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzwh8pBcF8A
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=WaKdPgkTZ7M&si=0o-w7uJfNb8MaOdP
>>126979002wrong album
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=t-tyoWb5MkA&si=aQ7f0jJ7Kywfp5Mq
>>>126976676does anyone know?
>>126979002Shostakovich saw a little kid get murdered when he went to support the October Revolution
>>126979025Terrible. I am sorry you had to go through that Shosta.
>>126978707What’s the name of the chap on the right, again?
>>126978889Chopin never wrote anything as great as the Hammerklavier.
>>126978964This general hates Schwarzkopf for some reason.
Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT_80QHC1iE
The Magnificat BWV 243 is one of those Bach works that this general doesn’t discuss frequently enough for my taste; they prefer instead to analyse versions of the B minor Mass or the St Matthew Passion for the nth time.
>>126979161Same reason they don’t post the St John Passion;
>>126979156>blocks your pathhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vVlgp4GoF8
>>126979045It was by an ex policeman who was anti-communist. It's strange to think that Shostakovich was so pro-Bolshevik before the Stalin years, but I guess the west portrays Shostakovich as some martyr against the Great Purge more than Shostakovich would self identify as.
>>126979266Slavs are violent savages; it has nothing to do with ideology.
>>126979305A great deal of the CCCP wasn't Slavic.
>>126979315The Chinese just like working themselves to death.
>>126979323>In the Soviet Union, approximately 49.2% of the population was not Russian.And, no, that's not just Chinese people. The Soviet Union was extremely diverse, which is probably why the Russian Empire failed.
>>126979327My mistake, I hope you will forgive me as I am uneducated buffoon. I thought you were referring to the CCP.
>>126979341It shows character that you apologized, Anon.
>>126979327Whatever you want to call them,
they are still killing each other today in Ukraine.
The Slavic/Eastern proclivity for violence shows that they genuinely are the descendants of the Mongols.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paAb3XlP5ME
wunderbar, klingt deutsch
>>126979511I doubt Hurwitz has that record in his prodigious collection.
>>126977420Not to be confused with JM Goatsee
>>126979156>Hammerklavier.More admired than loved
>>126980208I myself love Hammerklavier, it's my favorite Beethoven sonata, but Chopin's 3rd is as good, if not better.
Bach
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=u2vpdRJ7ONI&si=5YLbKrXUf25J13Vf
>>126976636I can't stop listening Glenn Gould, help!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51dXnVmnrgU
>>126979068Schubert, he had Syphilis.
Ending of Adagio and Allegro in F Minor, K. 594 is pretty dark for Mozart's doing. Anybody have recommendations where Mozart goes dark/somber/hopeless?
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>>126980605Both Mendelssohn and Liszt had a good time, while Chopin was raped all day everyday by the old hag George Sand. Life is unfair.
Charles Ives - Symphony No. 3 "The Camp Meeting"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJY_-7Qklao
>On 17 January 1936 Joseph Stalin paid a rare visit to the opera for a performance of a new work, Quiet Flows the Don, based on the novel by Mikhail Sholokhov, by the little-known composer Ivan Dzerzhinsky, who was called to Stalin's box at the end of the performance and told that his work had "considerable ideological-political value".
>On 26 January, Stalin revisited the opera, accompanied by Vyacheslav Molotov, Andrei Zhdanov and Anastas Mikoyan, to hear Lady Macbeth of the Mtsensk District. He and his entourage left without speaking to anyone. Shostakovich had been forewarned by a friend that he should postpone a planned concert tour in Arkhangelsk to be present at that particular performance.
>Eyewitness accounts testify that Shostakovich was "white as a sheet" when he went to take his bow after the third act.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azFHiEh1jhk
What do you call modern or contemporary symphonic arrangements made in Ableton that sound closer to movie soundtracks than classical arrangements?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Npn2xb-urU
>>126980861He plays so fast. I sent this to my sister because she plays piano and she didn't even respond. Pah!
Classical music for sitting under the rays of the sun and working on your tan?
>>126981073Haydn symphonies
What formal argument would you bring to the table as to why simplistic works of classical music are better than music in other styles with similar levels of complexity (at least, on a technical level)?
I mainly want to know from those that believe there is an objective standard of beauty in music, if your answer to this is just "I like the sound better", this question is not specifically aimed towards you in this case. This is also not a rhetorical question.
>>126981073There are none
>>126976536 (OP)Does anybody know if there is a backup of the pastebin link? I would very much like to read the recommended music list that was there.
>>126977825What do you think of The Cantos?
>>126981323looks like an ex of mine, pls don post this pic again
>>126981323>General Folder #1. Renaissance up to 20th century/modern classical. Also contains a folder of live recordings/recitals by some outstanding performers.https://mega.co.nz/#F!mMYGhBgY!Ee_a6DJvLJRGej-9GBqi0A
>General Folder #2. Mostly 20th century/modern with other assorted bits and pieceshttps://mega.co.nz/#F!Y8pXlJ7L!RzSeyGemu6QdvYzlfKs67w
>General Folder #3. Renaissance up to early/mid-20th century. Also contains a folder of Scarlatti sonate and another live recording/recital folder.https://mega.co.nz/#F!kMpkFSzL!diCUavpSn9B-pr-MfKnKdA
>General Folder #4. Renaissance up to late 19th centuryhttps://mega.co.nz/#F!ekBFiCLD!spgz8Ij5G0SRH2JjXpnjLg
>General Folder #5. Very eclectic mixhttps://mega.co.nz/#F!O8pj1ZiL!mAfQOneAAMlDlrgkqvzfEg
>General Folder #6. Yellow Piss stuff. Also there's some other stuff in here.https://mega.nz/#F!DlRSjQaS!SzxR-CUyK4AYPknI1LYgdg
>Renaissance Folder #1. Mass settingshttps://mega.co.nz/#F!ygImCRjS!1C9L77tCcZGQRF6UVXa-dA
>Renaissance Folder #2. Motets and madrigals (plus Leiden choirbooks)https://mega.co.nz/#F!il5yBShJ!WPT0v8GwCAFdOaTYOLDA1g
>Debussy Folder (soon to be Sibelius folder)https://mega.co.nz/#F!DdJWUBBK!BeGdGaiAqdLy9SBZjCHjCw
>Opera Folder. Contains recorded video productions of about 10 well-known operas, with a bias towards late Romantichttps://mega.co.nz/#F!4EVlnJrB!PRjPFC0vB2UT1vrBHAlHlw
>Book Folder #1. Random assortment of books on music theory and composition, music history etc.https://mega.nz/#F!HsAVXT5C!AoFKwCXr4PJnrNg5KzDJjw
>Book Folder #2. Comprehensive list of the most important harpsichord and piano pieces through historyhttps://mega.nz/#F!1xJgVSLA!i2eLakjehx5DY8qYUzS0Zg
some links working some don't
>>126981346Brilliant in parts, unfinished in some. It actually has a musical structure but I don't believe it is a fugue; instead, I view it as a patchwork or mosaic of various musical rhythms and styles. Lots of its shortcomings come from Pound wrestling with rhetoric and finding he cannot be rid of it. Here's a lecture I did:
https://dmitriakers.podbean.com/e/cantos-lectures-series-canto-one-by-ezra-pound/
>>126981157Not sure what you mean by "formal", but here are my thoughts. First of all, we have to define "simplistic". Simplistic works are hard to come by in standard repertoire, excluding minimalist shite. I guess we can assume for the sake of the argument, that some Bach or Chopin preludes or minuets are relatively simplistic, and at one glance they kind of are. But they are not simplistic because lack expressiveness, harmonic repetitiveness, or monotonicity, but because of short scale structure. You can still hear lots of variation or development even in shortest and simplest minuets and preludes. But structurally those works are still tight, because composer usually has tons of experience and knows what he's doing. That usually is not the case with popular music, which tends to be repetitive no matter what scale of work it is, and structurally incohesive. Of course that doesn't apply to all popular music, as sometimes the line between it and art music can blur. In that case, it's usually called "neoclassical", " progressive" or whatever. Since popular music almost always uses song form, they can be compared to lieder, and they can be quite good in that regard, and even better than classical lieder in some cases. But instrumentation can be lazy (purely electronic music or distortions, compression etc) and very inexpressive, compared to classically trained instrumentalists and singers. But I believe those characteristics of music are the most subjective, harpsichord isn't particulary expressive either and composers wrote for the instrument anyway. The main differences between art music and popular music comes from larger forms of music, and the fact that classical music is so diverse in form, whereas popular music is almost exclusively limited to songs.
>>126981220Surely, there is classical music that complements any given regular activity. You must not engage in the activity if you don't know the associated music. If you shun the Sun, then you must be as sickly and sallow-looking as this anime boy
>>126981157
>>126982339I’m not sure why
>>126982432>Anime boyThat's a girl, dude. I think you might be confusing Lukako and Maho
>>126982366Minuet in G by Bach is simple, Paccabel’s canon is another simple one
I’d bet though that something like the imaginatively named “Drumming” by Steve Reich is probably pretty heard to play
>>126982457It looks like a boy with long hair.
>>126982432> Surely, there is classical music thatcomplements any given regular activity
I don’t know why you’d assume that and don’t and don’t call me Surely
>>126982505Because classical composers engaged in said activities while thinking about music.
>>126982505Laugh at the phoneposter
Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu3gKlLA6oY
>>126981157>”im gay i like sucking dick”
>>126982644Yes, especially yours
now playing
start of Mendelssohn: Violin Concerto in E Minor, Op. 64, MWV O14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtYan-2V9C4&list=OLAK5uy_nrePlswHm1Q7wKVuD9hLQSzrEbPg-05bU&index=2
start of Sibelius: Violin Concerto in D Minor, Op. 47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLJTFfi68yE&list=OLAK5uy_nrePlswHm1Q7wKVuD9hLQSzrEbPg-05bU&index=4
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nrePlswHm1Q7wKVuD9hLQSzrEbPg-05bU
>>126982928>Mendelssohn: Violin Concerto in E MinorMy beloved.
>>126981073Anything with classical guitar pretty much
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSyGfON0oq4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc0xmzB-wPY
>>126981157The homophonic texture of Haydn or Mozart is used to accentuate musical drama, to create the contrast of themes and of key areas. It's simple in the same way as its namesake of classical aesthetics: its simplicity necessitates a command of balance and proportion. This would not be possible with extended harmony because it collapses those strong musical distinctions, and this is also why classical tonality melts into a soup at the beginning of the twentieth century.
I like Hindemith
rec best recordings
>>126981073>>126983083https://youtu.be/0NBjojnEzW8?si=Ja_Fdbf4LhaaMIm6
https://youtu.be/ErxL9u0Kq-Q?si=qjC3wBpNZiKjD-RW
https://youtu.be/PDk7QXdXasM?si=q_O_M9QVbZFFjacM
https://youtu.be/ZQyKiMXyRu8?si=g2NArIwRoRZbALi8
Moeran's symphony is like the midpoint between Vaughan Williams and William Walton.
https://youtu.be/qcUbp8_YOMs
>>126984855Midpoint between good and shit? So, mid.
>>126985058Walton's first symphony is superior to any of Vaughan Williams'.
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>>126985112Vaughan Williams' symphonies have some nice idea but his command of form is pretty poor. Also hi there Abbadofag.
>>126985129>AbbadofagWhat
>>126985150https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/105679082/#105679864
>>126985158Ah yes, there are only two posters in this general, always has been. Just you and me. Wait no, turns out I can use pictures other people post, whaddya know lmao
>>126985213Excellent point Abbadosister
I recently heard Bertini's Mahler 2 and it was pretty good. I also rate the entire recording on the church bells at the end, if I can't hear them loud enough it goes into the trash. It's amazing how many Mahler 2 recording don't have them audible or barely. Bertini really nailed those church bells. Please continue the argument the 2 posters above me.
>>126985240Bertini's cycle is really good.
>>126983863https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lruI9SvMDs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgFD7XPi8PQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SGc8jGSoYM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4EWHP8q-js
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu3uZ4Yurvc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDyYEyDbr8M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0-R2JbvswA
>>126981157It will, in large part, have to back to melody and its centrality in classical music. Everyone knows many composers have prized melody as the most important element of inspiration, and we can clearly see classical melodies are more complex, original and expressive than anything that exists under that name in pop music. I don't know enough about music to begin to formally define what sets a classical melody apart from a pop one.
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Grainger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIhBWwPmnm0
Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCBtGxyMV98
Dutilleux
https://youtu.be/RPfcrQYjjQo
Reich
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oOmUi4HGt0&t=11s
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lots of alternative performances of Bach's Art of Fugue coming out these days, here's two
Phantasm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp4MtgVu0Ek&list=OLAK5uy_l0JQMz7ANZA6_e0s59-Rdd8VtQhLzx4Vc&index=4
Quartetto di Cremona
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSIoIoK5zNY&list=OLAK5uy_mVjIdZwqs-hpe6-89uz7fIpHStseO6N-M&index=14
Fretwork
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi0r2vrqYzA&list=OLAK5uy_mEJoCuByopGSr5Vx15uR332_knNW2nYsE&index=9
>Bach never specified what instrument or instruments he wanted The Art of Fugue played on; nor did he finish it. Fretwork, a group of six superb viol players, leave the work incomplete, stopping in mid-phrase--the effect is persuasive rather than unsatisfying. The sound of the six different-sized viols is just right for listening to the way Bach intermingles the multiple lines through and around one another--we can learn what counterpoint is just by listening to this CD. Some find the work severe and difficult, and played on a single instrument, like a harpsichord, it can be. But Fretwork manage to vary their tones sufficiently to turn the work into entertainment, albeit intellectual entertainment. You may not come away humming, but you'll be fascinated. --Robert Levine
Amsterdam Loeki Stardast Quartet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ipf65roMZYM&list=OLAK5uy_kdHzOc9HW1IE-7FWz--cYop81hdIkAPOs&index=9
That said, I find myself repeatedly listening to Trifonov's The Art of Life album. Something about this work fascinates and deeply resonates with me. Funny because I always thought I would end up loving the Goldberg Variations in the same way. Hopefully one day I will. Anyway, hope at least one of these recordings is found to be enjoyable to you all.
>>126990528oh lol, I forgot I initially intended on only sharing two, I got carried away
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now playing, continuing with the Levit Beethoven Piano Sonatas cycle after a couple days away from it
start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 12 in A-Flat Major, Op. 26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv-RQZmXLrI&list=OLAK5uy_nEuDnoVXeKKtQu3GL0hOVgE_zRlftFDpY&index=41
start of Piano Sonata No. 13 in E-Flat Major, Op. 27, No. 1, "Quasi una fantasia"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YKlPEJ7jlg&list=OLAK5uy_nEuDnoVXeKKtQu3GL0hOVgE_zRlftFDpY&index=45
start of Piano Sonata No. 14 in C-sharp minor, Op. 27, No. 2, "Moonlight"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJSvoo1sqOQ&list=OLAK5uy_nEuDnoVXeKKtQu3GL0hOVgE_zRlftFDpY&index=49
start of Piano Sonata No. 15 in D Major, Op. 28, "Pastorale"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb-IL9Z_GF8&list=OLAK5uy_nEuDnoVXeKKtQu3GL0hOVgE_zRlftFDpY&index=51
Like I've said before, Levit does the slower movements so spectacularly well. The first movement of the 12th, Op. 26 is playing right now and it is divine. Check it out and if it doesn't convince you that this cycle is for you... well, then it isn't for you lol. But I hope you check it out and enjoy it.
>>126990569sorry but I can't hear anyone else's take on the 12th but Tamami Honma's. the funeral march has staccato markings virtually nobody else respects or makes work
Huh, just had a surprising realization: turns out Tetzlaff has recorded Bach's Sonatas and Partitas for Solo Violin three times, and what I thought was his first cycle is really his second and what I thought was his second is really his third. Might not matter too much, only means whenever I've read people talking about them, I had the wrong set in mind lol. "Tetzlaff's second set is my favorite" when they were in fact talking about the other one, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZaRp086KH0&list=OLAK5uy_kLkpNkbOcl0ViqhggSYBP6PNo2KXq_dNk&index=26
And good to know there's another set of his which I haven't heard yet, his earlies one, so I'll be checking that out soonish
>>126991212I don't trust someone that re-records that much.
It would be a marvel to experience Peter Jackson-style adaption of Wagner's Ring with epic CGI, music synced with action, and maybe non-sung cinematic interpretations using music as the score.
Why hasn't anybody done this? Further proof that we've become too stupid to appreciate great art.
>>126991381>non-sungdropped
>>126991381>The cinematic realization of Tolkien’s rambling story are a faint echo of what would be felt, were The Ring to be performed as Wagner intended, with every single stage direction realistically obeyed. This would be the film to end all films, the Gotterdammerung of our modern era, in which Wagner’s moral would be apparent even to the unmusical. And almost certainly it would be banned.
will there ever be another Baroque composer as good as Bach?
>>126991488>The Ring to be performed as Wagner intended, with every single stage direction realistically obeyed. This would be the film to end all filmsHoly shit... Will we ever witness it?? God we can only dream
>>126991488>>126991934only possible 70 years ago and even that was a stretch
>>126991225you got me Tetzlaffin'
>>126991991It's doable now but yes, people that would make such great art are extremely rare today, compared to a century ago. Plus it would bring no profit, people got dumber, and they wouldn't understand it.
We can only hope that someday AI will get smart enough to generate such things.
>diabelli variations
I don't get it
>>126991767Considering the Baroque period is over, no.
>>126992574Me neither. It sounds retarded, and nothing like his sonatas. Even the first few variations are barely connected to the Diabelli waltz (which is fugly btw), then it just drifts off entirely.
>>126992608>the Baroque period is oversource?
it's a stay in bed and listen to Sibelius while the grey light from the overcast sky comes through the window kind of day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaCStRh2O9E&list=OLAK5uy_nOLv4zy-48ttJhd_TzgSUO2w1dpiQEsj0&index=1
best recording of Chopin's Sonatas?
answer NOW fuck
>>126993017>3rdArgerich.
>CelloSteven Osborne/Alban Gerhdart.
Those two are god tier sonatas, and these are the best interpretations I've heard.
>2ndProbably Rubinstein, idk. I'm not as crazy over 2nd, as much as I love Chopin. Although I get why it's so famous.
>>126993125thank you chopincel
>>126993005thank you deafthooven
>>126993017just click on the corresponding video by Ashish Xiangyi Kumar on youtube and listen to that.
You really only need to ask /classical/ when it's a piece he doesn't have.
>>126993226thank you indian child
Anne-Sophie Mutter plays too slow on almost everything I can't handle it any more.
I switched back to Heifetz, the one and only, occasionally Hilary Hahn and David Oistrakh.
>>126993132thank you pedarast
>>126993132>>126993463What a passive aggressive cunt. So devoid of personality he steals sistershitter's persona and triggers the other autist. Fuck you and get the fuck out of my general.
>>126993768Why is it only ever like 3 violinists that people look up to? Asking as a pianist.
>>126993869The sisterposter wasn’t even the one who invented sisterposting. He was just the most dedicated to it.
>>126994520Who invented it, then? He was the one to popularize it for sure.
>>1269930172nd Hofmann
3rd Zhukov
>>126995766He said the best recording
>>126995705I don't think anyone here invented it exactly since it's derived from a pretty common shitposting form that I've seen elsewhere. People started making trans jokes about Wagner years ago because of the one Wagnerite who kept starting the same arguments. Eventually he provoked the sisterposting responses because people were tired of his bit. Before sisterposter made 'thank you wagnersister' the typical form here, there were people in 2022 responding to Wagner posts/derailments with 'so true sister' including me. There was also a period when sisterposter was known as the imbecile spammer because he used to post stuff like 'imbecile', 'insanely stupid', and 'blasted fool' at people before he adopted sisterposting.
>>126993768Heifetz is simply the best.
>>126994472There's a lot out there, it's just that Heifetz and Oistrakh are probably the two most famous ones of the 20th century. In just the Auer school alone, there were 4 extremely famous ones. Heifetz, Milstein, Zimbalist, and Elman. All of four of which were extremely influential violinists (though Zimbalist was mostly influential as a teacher)
Schumann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5nHTGwmlCg
Chopin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMWTaQi7DXg
How insensetive must you be to the tone and timbre of the piano to prefer hissy piano roll over a real, stereo recording? A pianist is worth nothing if he has no piano, and for us, a proper device he can record with. Is this a pseud behavior? Pretending that piano roll recordings are actually "great" for anything but historical worth?
>hissy piano roll
is this dude OK?
>>126996629https://youtu.be/UMXR4xOrLdY?t=35
no, and piano rolls are fine in most cases
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gOIOKB2k7Y
Piano rolls are cool
>>126977142Ever know the reason why Lully is always played at conducting seminars? It’s very interesting
>>126992687>>126992608I believe that was the joke my subcontinental friend.
Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a410NWOTImQ
>>126991934It’s just an opera lil’ bro
>>126996596Sisterposter-mod, did you know Bach was a Christian and never saw a piano?
>>127001862>never saw a pianoIs it because he was legally blind by then?
>>127001918He was legally dead too
>>127001522go back
>>127001862bach sold pianos
Early Pianos:
The piano was invented during Bach's lifetime, and he had the opportunity to play early models.
Silbermann's Pianos:
German builder Gottfried Silbermann created pianos inspired by Cristofori's design, and Bach was asked to evaluate them.
Bach's Feedback:
While Bach initially criticized the weak high register of Silbermann's prototype, Silbermann improved the instrument based on Bach's feedback.
Frederick the Great's Piano:
Bach later encountered a Silbermann piano at the court of Frederick the Great, where his son Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach was the harpsichordist.
>>127002121Hammered, not plucked
>>127002114>>127002084>>127001918Here’s a more advanced version of the “piano” in question:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ef95BZfYcw
>>127002142Yes, that's a piano. Your point being?
>>127002154Is it a grand piano, sister?
>>127002160Who said anything about grand piano?
>>127002164Why do you listen to Bach on the modern grand piano? Bach never used such a monstrosity.
>>127002175Who cares about what anyone listens to? You are (knowingly) spreading fake news by claiming J. S. Bach never saw a piano in his lifetime.
>>127002186Bach hated pianos
> One of [Silbermann’s pianofortes] was seen and played by the late Capellmeister, Mr. Joh. Sebastian Bach. He praised, indeed, admired, its tone; but he complained that it was too weak in the high register and too hard to play. This was taken greatly amiss by Mr. Silbermann, who could not bear to have any fault found in his handiworks. He was therefore angry at Mr. Bach for a long time. And yet his conscience told him that Mr. Bach was not wrong. He therefore decided—greatly to his credit, be it said—not to deliver any more of the instruments, but instead to think harder about how to eliminate the faults Mr. J.S. Bach had observed.
>>127002205So now you're admitting that Bach played a piano? lol
>>127002205>he admired the toneBach was probably just trying to give constructive criticism to his friend. If Bach had seen any future in the piano, he would have fixed the faults and composed for the instrument.
>>127002220Well, you defined it in such a way that I had no choice…
Bach played the piano and hated every second of it. LMAO
>>127002175Because it is richer in timbre and more versatile in dynamics and articulation.
It allows for the production of a more controlled and refined sound.
>>127002278The piano spoils the discrete symmetries in Bach’s music.
>>127002283I'd love to read a published dissertation on that.
Weird sisters, have you considered asking that grand piano if it identifies as a harpsichord?
>>127001862Bach actually helped in the early development and marketing of pianos, he just never deliberately composed for them.
https://earlymusicseattle.org/bach-and-the-piano/
>>127002304He destroyed a friendship over his profound distaste for the piano.
>but this NPR-listener blog post says…
Can a classical expert please direct me to Bach’s piano-forte concertos?
How about his renunciation of Christ?
>>127002325>He destroyed a friendship over his profound distaste for the piano>Through his widespread connections, Bach also functioned as sales agent for instrument makers. Thus, at the time of the Easter Fair in 1749, Bach sold a very expensive fortepiano to a Polish nobleman - apparently on commission from the Dresden organ builder Gottfried Silbermann, at the time the only maker of this kind of instrument.Friendship hardly ruined.
>>127002364You seem to be working on the assumption that selling an object demonstrates profound appreciation for it. In reality, Bach had a piece of junk that he pawned to a Polish rube.
>>127002205>>127002411Post the full quote next time mate.
>complete approval
>>127002440Have you considered the possibility that he was just telling his friend what he wanted to hear in order to repair the friendship? Indeed, Bach did not compose anything in particular for the forte-piano, so it is unlikely it had a profound impact on him.
>>127002516>he was just telling his friend what he wanted to hear in order to repair the friendshipConjecture on your part
>>127002538Conjecture is an integral part of the process of uncovering the truth.
>>127001862Bach was an atheist actually
https://www.bach-cantatas.com/Articles/Bach-Atheist.htm
>>127002440You have only shown that Bach completely approved of the improvements made to the instrument; apparently, his previous criticisms no longer applied. However, this does imply that he approved of the instrument. His son CPE said that the piano was fit only for playing rondos. Given that CPE was his father’s apprentice, it is likely that the elder Bach had similar misgivings about the piano. Bach seems to have preferred the Harpsichord. He did not compose specific pieces for the piano-forte. He did not own a piano-forte for private use. He did, however, own a bible.
Bach:
>invented and loved pianos
>was an atheist
Now that's out of the way, can we talk about our lord and savior, G.F. Handel?
>>127002626Not a primary source, sister.
>>127002693>The prosecutors have built an astonishing record. Several of Handel's works consist largely - in extreme cases, almost entirely - of systematic "borrowings", as they are euphemistically called. Israel in Egypt is among them. Of its twenty-eight choruses, eleven were based on pieces by other composers, some of them practically gobbled up whole. Three of the plagues choruses were based on a single cantata by Alessandro Stradella, a Roman composer whose music Handel encountered during his prentice years.>More recently it has been discovered that no fewer than seven major works composed between 1733 and 1738 draw extensively on the scores of three old operas by Alessandro Scarlatti that Handel had borrowed from Jennens.>Perhaps Handel's most brazen appropriation involved the "Grand Concertos" (concerti grossi), op. 6. They were composed in september and october of 1739 and rely heavily for thematic ideas on harpsichord compositions by Domenico Scarlatti, which had been published in London the year before.>One of his critics was Johann Mattheson who openly and angrily accused Handel of copping a melody from one of his operas. Another was Jennens, who wrote to a friend that he had just received a shipment of music from Italy, and that "Handel has borrow'd a dozen of the pieces & I dare say I shall catch him stealing from them; as I have formerly, both from Scarlatti & Vinci".>Sure enough, Handel rewrote the passages he had borrowed for his own recent operas so as to obscure his indebtedness to Vinci's. If the old defense - that borrowing carried no stigma - were correct, there would have been no reason for Handel to cover his tracks. And that may also explain why, of all the borrowings securely imputed to him, Handel altered the ones he made from Domenico Scarlatti the most. It may well have been because, of all the music he borrowed, Scarlatti's keyboard pieces were most likely to be recognized by the members of his own public
>>127002626https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jruN-ZTIdak
>>127002696ya, it's the best sauce
>>127002716Bach preferred beer.
According to google ai:
>Johann Sebastian Bach was known to enjoy beer and even had a fondness for a local Leipzig beer called Gose. Historical accounts suggest he likely consumed beer regularly, possibly even as part of his daily diet. His household was also estimated to consume a large amount of beer annually.
>>127002791I'm sure most people were drinking beer in those days
>>127002814Mozart’s favorite meal was pork cutlets and Beethoven owned a dog.
>>127002829>Beethoven owned a dogI didn't know that
>>127002851Oh, it was his girlfriends dog, but he did like dogs
google ai:
>Gigons was the name of a dog that belonged to Therese Malfatti, a piano student of Ludwig van Beethoven. Beethoven, who had proposed to Therese, was fond of Gigons and even mentioned in a letter that the dog would dine with him and accompany him home after visits. Gigons' owner, Therese Malfatti, was a woman Beethoven had proposed to, but she rejected him
>>127002705So that's why Handel moved to England.
Makes sense he was trying to put distance between himself and his plaintiffs, and compose for an audience that would be less likely to recognise the original works.
>>127002791>>127002814The "beer" back then resembled a kind of grain/malt soup/broth with spices, or vegetables in the case of Gose.
>>127002894> Gigons' owner, Therese Malfatti, was a woman Beethoven had proposed to, but she rejected himIf even Beethoven gets rejected, how tf am I supposed to find a gf. I can't compose better than Beethoven.
>>127003028Beethoven chased women who were out of his league. If you don't do this you might be fine.
>>127003018Sister, where did you think beer comes from?
Gose is 4%-5% ABV. Bach was probably putting away at least a dozen per day.
A six-pack was just another day for JS Bach:
https://bachbeer.com/how-much-beer-did-bach-drink
Bach
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=i3qWqAD3EA0&si=0lnsgQ3KhyOisz8a
>>127003457This cd set is impossible to find
>>127003485That is one of the few records that I have considered buying.
>>127003532Good luck. Discogs has only one copy for sale: $80... from China!
New records will replace the classics like Richter, then the digital recordings will be deleted.
The Walcha mono cycle is also difficult to find.
English suite in F major.
Prelude, bar 4.
Someone please explain... "that"
(you'll know what I'm talking about)
The prelude is incredible, the best piece in the suite imo, it's just.. why?
>>127003665>mono cycle is also difficult to find.Good.
>>127003688https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpYQSjTyBMc
bach was drunk
>>127003692Mono is superior to stereo.
>>127003847ok, I guess when it's played at that tempo it's not that a big of a deal.
>>127003688Bach is not meant to be played on a piano.
>>127004023yeah but it sounds better on piano, so i'm gonna listen to piano versions, fuck you haha.
>>127004023The piano is objectively the superior instrument for virtually everything but the (very rare) keyboard concerti. You cannot clarify the motivic polyphony of a Bach fugue on a harpsichord, nor can you accentuate the myriad thematic contrasts of a Scarlatti sonata on a harpsichord, whereas the dynamically flexible clavichord presents difficulties of intonation and a volume that is utterly unfit for public performances. This leaves the piano as the superior instrument of choice.
Zimerman
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How is he so fucking perfect? I just listened to 15 different recordings of Barcarolle (again), and still none of them come even close to this absolute perfection.
https://files.catbox.moe/a0mymd.mp4
I think no one can really play the coda at his speed either. If Hofmann had recorded it, then maybe I'd change my mind.
Fortepiano is the only option for Baroque music
>>127005101>>127005101I agree. Bach's keyboard music was so revolutionary and ahead of its time in terms of its musical subtlety and complexity, and polyphonic demands, that it was essentially composed for an instrument that wouldn't appear for at least another century.
It's a wonder that this music was even playable before then. Perhaps that's part of the explanation why Bach fell out of favor with the general public until Mendelssohn came about.
best Scarlatti Sonatas set? i have the Horowitz one but he didn't record all of them, how is the Naxos one? i think they are all on piano.
>>127003850this is true, Mono is a pleb filter.
>>127006088>Naxos setit's fine, but honestly trying to digest all of the Scarlatti sonatas is a life long thing
just pick the pianists/harpsichord players that picked out their favorites and did them as they pleased
Horowitz, Pletnev, Casadesus, Xiao-Mei, Hantai, Staier, Ross
>>127005557i tend to like a little more unbuckled piano banging during the coda
>>127006360I like it in its full glory, as fast and as loud as possible, for the opening chords at least. It's the climax after all. Maybe I just have ADHD, heh. Anyway I'd like to hear more recordings, drop any if you have something interesting.
>>127006577you might like Neuhaus if you haven't heard it, even though it's in historical USSR mono (so, mediocre sounding piano and recording for its time)
but he was the teacher of Richter, Gilels, Zhukov, Ginberg, amongst others. i think he had something like 30 noteworthy students.
anyway, quite loud and fast. if you can get past the sonics, i think it's worthwhile rendition to hear
https://litter.catbox.moe/bmvtva495talakp1.mp3
(the ones on YouTube sound even worse)
>>127005557https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgJREqh3hBM
i like it slower
>>127006694>>127006694>https://litter.catbox.moe/bmvtva495talakp1.mp3Wow that's incredible.
Never really cared much for this piece but I've never heard it like that before. Exuberant.
>>127006694I've listened to pretty much all the historical recordings today so no worries. This doesn't sound bad at all.
>>127006799>Never really cared for Barcarolleno sovl.
>>127006913that's because the recordings sucked.
many such cases.
Felt the same way about ballade 4 until I heard Ornstein
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ5B9_4FX0A
Not to say it would be my favorite now, but it triggered a different reception.
These grace notes fuck with your mind.
Who else used them as extensively and brilliantly as Chopin? They sound like actual whimpering
>>127007004So you didn't like Zimerman's at all, huh? Interesting
i'm gonna post it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htOcx4Jqv3k
>>127007107Chopin down by the waterfall
>>127007107Holy hiss. Still better than piano roll ngl.
Sofronitsky's was very good also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6dKMCofOrE
>>127007194kek
>>127007094>https://files.catbox.moe/a0mymd.mp4The quiet part in the last few bars was magically executed, but the preceding forte section left me feeling cold (like other Chopin stuff I've heard from Zimmerman). Maybe his mozart/beethoven is better, I'd need to get into that.
Mature Pollini is also very restrained but at least he gives his Chopin interpretations that characteristic Italian operatic rubato (which I don't think necessarily fits the music optimally, but it's convincing).
>>127007073I don't like them because of how deceptively difficult they are to play. They don't look like much on the score, but they completely change the fingering and probably take up at least half of the technical development work.
>>127007107>>127007266Fucking amazing coda btw, didn't expect that.
>>127007268>Italian operatic rubatoWhat exactly is that?
>>127007347But they do sound stunning
Strauss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gof4j2PM6nc
>>127007421>What exactly is that? oh no no
>>127007421I shouldn't have said rubato, I just mean the bel canto sound, that sort of "powerful, but so refined that it almost sounds detached and artificial" kind of articulation that is characteristic of Italian opera.
Just listen to Pollini's 1st Chopin Ballade, the final recapitulation of the B theme before the Coda, for instance.
It's very tastefully, powerfully executed, but I prefer my Chopin with more raw expressivity at the cost of sounding rougher around the edges. Preferably with a more Prokfiev-esque, biting, Slavic melancholy.
>>127007266Sofronitsky is honestly way better in other composers than Scriabin imo
Is this considered /classical/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkzyRmKv98s
While the Savior was on the mountain, giving the most suitable names
to His disciples, He called James and John Boanerges,
which is, Sons of Thunder.
For as the voice of thunder resounds in the wheel of the world,
so went out into all the earth the sound of the preaching of blessed James,
which is, Sons of Thunder.
Glory to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit
now playing
start of Sibelius: Violin Concerto in D Minor, Op. 47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Nx2-BRIc20&list=OLAK5uy_lASg9-e4b_67aI3QQTSLSQ8gR0VbhCdBI&index=2
start of Tchaikovsky: Violin Concerto in D Major, Op. 35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6LSs7A1ZoA&list=OLAK5uy_lASg9-e4b_67aI3QQTSLSQ8gR0VbhCdBI&index=4
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lASg9-e4b_67aI3QQTSLSQ8gR0VbhCdBI
Hopefully I didn't make a mistake going with this recording over the same coupling performed by Mullova/Ozawa/Boston or Batiashvilli/Barenboim/Staatskapelle Berlin. I'll save those for the next time.
Classical is the best music genre lol.
"Classical" is not a "genre"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd8PDCOB2uI
going to play this at my wedding coming up
also
>>127007935>Tchaikovsky 1:10How john williams got away with this is incredible. Almost as bad as the stuff he took from stravinsky and holst
>>127008638"Classical" word for music, but it big mix of many kinds and times. Not just one type like "rock" or "pop."
Many Kinds:
Classical music have lots of types, like big sounds (symphonies), special shows (concertos), stories with singing (operas), and small groups (chamber music). All different.
Different Times:
"Classical" also mean old times, like Baroque, Classical (long time ago), Romantic, and 20th century. Each time have own music style.
Not One Type:
Rock and jazz have some things same, but classical music all mixed up. Hard to say what it is with just one name.
Important Culture:
Classical music part of Western art music, with many old composers and musicians.
So, "classical" easy word, but better think of it as big music tradition with many parts and times, not just one kind of music, say some people on Quora
>>127008746>going to play this at my wedding coming upooo very cool, and congrats
>>127008746something something good artists borrow, great artists steal outright?
guys can i get a recommendation similar to this?
https://voca.ro/1mmawzV32dKz
>>127008825what country are you from
IMG_1706
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Happy 98th birthday, maestro Blomstedt!
>>127005101Define motivic polyphony
>>127009334It’s a pseud or postmodern term for counterpoint written by Sokal hoax victims. Supposedly, it generalizes counterpoint. Bach was unaware of motivic polyphony (only regular old counterpoint), so he couldn’t have intended his music to display anything beyond counterpoint.
>>127009507>hears term motivic cohomology >appropriates to music >I am very smart KOEK
>>127009031https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AHk38wRvNE
Also try Ornstein's Arabesques if you don't care about specific instrumentation.
>>127002626>Bach was an atheist actuallyVery obvious from the vulgar operaslop he dressed up as religious music, but the Church paid his bills.
>>127011998It’s an urban legend that never happened.
Just came back from a free concert and there was some slavic kid sitting two rows in front of me talking gibberish literally throughout the entire performance. The mother whose lap he was sitting on was also actively having a conversation with him too. Probably my worst concert experience so far
>>127012153You should have been watching the stage instead of the kid
Let me read you this from the Dresden Anzeiger of Februrary the 14th, 1883:
"A heavy and altogether unexpected bereavement has befallen musicians of every race, country, and degree. We learn by telegraph from Venice that the greatest of contemporary composers, Richard Wagner, the second husband of Cosima Liszt, died there at four o'clock of yesterday afternoon. He occupied a loftier station than king or kaiser, pope or president. No monarch was ever more enthusiastically served than has been Richard Wagner. Infalliability, embodied in a Roman pontiff, has never been more implicitly believed in by the most orthodox Catholic than it has been in the person of the Bayreuth Prophet!"
Put well, do you not think? Put well....
>>127012194I was. It's almost as if you can listen to things without looking at them.
>>127012229You just said he was sitting on his mother’s lap. You were watching this kid like a hawk.
>>127012249A few annoyed glances doesn't mean I wasn't paying attention to the performance. Relax. The performance itself was pretty good nevertheless.
Rautavaara
https://youtu.be/cQIOms620M4
>>127012203Hitler wasn’t born until 1889. It just goes to show how ungrounded the caricature of Wagner as a ‘Nazi’ is.
>>127013091>Finnish composer>anime pfpFitting. I hear that anime is incredibly popular amongst the Finns.
Das Rheingold
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHpnY4bnSIc
It was used really well in Lo and Behold, a documentary about the internet, the digital revolution, and technology by Werner Herzog; the use of Das Rheingold was supposed to contrast humanity's unchecked ambition with the destruction of their only habitable planet, Earth.
>>127012203Every youth in Germany with a predilection for art was bawling his eyes out upon discovering that Richard Wilhelm Wagner had passed away.
>>127013401He also used it in Nosferatu but it didn't really suit the atmosphere imo.
>>127013401>>127013414Werner Herzog is a hack.
>>127013408Sounds incredibly pusillanimous.
>>127013420Isn't Aguirre the best movie on the planet?
>>127013426Stop using that term. You're the only person the on the website to do so regularly and it makes identifying your posts incredibly easy.
>>127013451>White colonizers bad How original…
>>127013490Pizarro was seen as an illiterate, violent idiot in his own day; there is more subtlety in Aguirre than a critique of colonialism.
>>127013504I guess you didn’t watch till the end
>White people are incestuous machiavellian Hitlers plotting to take over the world
>>127013513You probably think Heart of Darkness and Apocalypse Now are about "le bad white man" when they're exploring the limits of human nature.
>>127013490Everyone is bad in Herzog's movies
>>127013528Klaus Kinski was Polish, not necessarily "White Western European" and he literally thought he was the second coming of Jesus. If he has any parallels to Hitler, that's because Kinski genuinely had egomania and would throw screaming tantrums if he wasn't the centre of attention.
>>127013520>>127013504>>127013528‘Piazo’ has a deranged Hitleresque rant about conquering the world and fathering a pure blooded dynasty with his daughter. It is quite on the nose.
>>127013552He was born in Danzig, which was a German city at the time. He fought for the Wehrmacht.
>>127013595>>127013566It's not supposed to be about historical imperialism; it's a tapestry of human nature, dreams, fact, and fiction:
>Like Shakespeare, Herzog begins with chronicle accounts of events and personages, but then re-shapes and embroiders upon these historical chronicles, at once providing answers and revealing more puzzling questions, not only turning "history" into "art" (a tenuous distinction in any case), but meditating upon the makers and the making of history.
>>127013603You sure do love do overcomplicate things.
>>127013613Analysing art isn't about simplistic interpretations. Why would you listen to classical music if you thought art was this simple?
>>127013528The natives are offscreen most of the film
>>127013624>It’s art>It’s subjective>The setting and plot are thematically irrelevant
>>127013647It investigates how history is made through the interplay of geography, conquest, and imperialism, but does not necessarily indict Europeans for it like we do in the contemporary zeitgeist. If you could explain the movie in only a single, simplistic, flat reading, then why would it be watched so much by various people?
>>127013661You are an imbecile.
Herzog is a German born in 1942.
The Hitler analogy was 100% intended.
>>127013697it do be like that
>>127013679Emperor's New Groove and The Road to El Dorado are closer to your simplistic view of art. Maybe go watch them.
give me some more solo piano composers, i think i might know all of them at this point.
German boomer men are the most virulent self-hating people the planet.
>>127013734Those movies are better than anything Herzog has done
I wrote a short story that just plagiarised Aguirre but set it in my grandmother's part of the Philippines. You should get paid for post-colonial "art" like me.
wtf are you guys even talking about, this isn't classical shut up
>>127013762Film uses classical music to make artistic contrasts and patchworks.
>>127013777thank you chatgpt
>>127013604>>127013623>>127013783meds
How about you double-check next time?
>>127013756sadly true ime
>>127013809Goah fooka yoselg
I just write that way for I am educated.
Whoa, dude, like, why are we even trippin' about movies, jews and all that jazz? Just kick back, man! Put on some 'Thoven, you know? His tunes are like, cosmic waves for your brain, man. Just let the music wash over you, and forget all that heavy stuff. It's all about the good vibes, man! Just chill and let the symphonies take you to another dimension, bro! Peace out!
Apocalypse now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj9VArxREqY
adorno
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Jazz is bad
what the fuck are you guys talking about
>>127013962some of it is okay
>>127013970Movies, Jews and Jazz
welcome to /classical/ - Classical Music
>>126978695Any recs for a player who gets it right?
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