Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:33:37 AM
No.127001226
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german thrash sucks like most euro thrash
swedish death metal sucks like most euro death
american black metal sucks too
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:34:13 AM
No.127001231
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>>127001149
/bleep/? That place used to have some pretty great tracks last time I checked. Haven't in a few weeks though.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:34:47 AM
No.127001238
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>>127001245
>>127001201
what happened to your thread matthew :)
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:36:10 AM
No.127001245
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>>127001259
>>127001238
I'm Marshall and I deleted the thread myself.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:36:35 AM
No.127001251
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>>127001311
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:37:12 AM
No.127001254
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Devin "The Moth" Townsend
>Themes: Medieval history, Occultism, Violence, Germanic heritage
>Country of origin: United States
Every time Lmao
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:38:10 AM
No.127001259
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>>127001274
>>127001245
very doubtful
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:39:41 AM
No.127001274
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>>127001283
>>127001259
Think you dropped your hat
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:40:32 AM
No.127001279
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>>127001258
no gunz in Yuropoorland lmao
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:41:04 AM
No.127001281
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>>127001289
Kaevum EQ recommendations?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:41:18 AM
No.127001283
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>>127001281
>using EQ ever
psssh!
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:42:52 AM
No.127001293
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>>127001311
Possessed - Seven Churches
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:43:12 AM
No.127001296
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>>127001289
Thanks for the useless post.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:45:22 AM
No.127001311
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>>127002100
>>127001224
dont know this but looks like nuclear blast slop
>>127001251
reddit slop
>>127001263
>muh ebin nazi slop
>>127001293
rym slop
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:46:56 AM
No.127001324
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Kultur > Ultra
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:50:25 AM
No.127001359
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>>127001430
>>127001289
Remember this is a thread with a retard who thinks "Natur hurts his little earsy wearsies :("
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:51:35 AM
No.127001368
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Ultra = Natur >>> Kultur
Objectively.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:52:14 AM
No.127001370
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>>127001373
>>127001370
>tits on album cover
instant pass
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:55:11 AM
No.127001391
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>>127001373
what are you gay
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:56:27 AM
No.127001402
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>>127001373
Don't worry, your status as the biggest tit here goes unchallenged.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:57:29 AM
No.127001411
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I wish the Kaevum drummer wasn't so fucking SHIT mates
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:59:09 AM
No.127001426
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>>127002210
Yeah it's good.
>>126993776
>>126993734
BASED, glad I went to scan the thread on this day randomly. The layering was the only good part of the track. Also I can't tell if the vocals are intentionally bad or not, because thats literally just what 90's bm vocals sound like: trash. I should get a decent microphone and mog a track one day, I guarantee I could do a better job than 99.99% of metalfag vocalists.
>>127001359
>wdym bro it sounds fi-EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 11:04:26 AM
No.127001469
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>>127001430
it's literally fine
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 11:14:03 AM
No.127001524
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>>127001430
What is this a meme for robots
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 11:47:14 AM
No.127001723
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 12:32:05 PM
No.127001977
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 12:58:35 PM
No.127002100
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>>127002105
>>127001311
Not the REAL BLASTING anon but
>dont know this
You're choosing to remain ignorant, I presume
>looks like nuclear blast slop
It is in fact Willowtip cuisine
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 12:59:45 PM
No.127002105
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>>127002100
>responding to obvious bait
Ozzy's farewell concert was the series finale of metal
Everything that comes after that is non-canon
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:13:00 PM
No.127002184
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>>127002199
>>127002122
The series' finale was the Black Album, everything after is a shitty spinoff.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:15:02 PM
No.127002195
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>>127002122
Cool, now we can finally have a canon that accepts the truth that diapershit is not metal.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:15:29 PM
No.127002199
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>>127002184
yeah, shit got really weird with that edgy grimdark Norway season
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:17:58 PM
No.127002210
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>>127002772
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:22:37 PM
No.127002240
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>>127002365
>>127001429
>scan the thread on this day randomly
Right
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:27:38 PM
No.127002270
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>>127002293
>literally the only metal band from Palestine
>it's just atmoshit from some aura-less numale
>https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Zalaam/3540476724
how the fuck does one miss THIS hard?
imagine if the NSBM scene had a genuine Palestinian group playing racist riffs and pondering the final solution to the jewish question
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:32:33 PM
No.127002293
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>>127002301
>>127002270
>metal band from le obscure place
>it's just some migrant in the west
It really doesn't count if they're not active within said location
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:33:50 PM
No.127002301
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>>127002312
>>127002293
Says he was in Gaza first, but there's no information if that first album was recorded there or not
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:35:38 PM
No.127002312
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>>127002319
>>127002301
xe probably doesn't say where it was recorded because it was done so in Germany and xhe wants so seem more mysterious
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:36:58 PM
No.127002319
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>>127002494
>>127002312
Yes, the premise was that he was already a faggot
I'm just lamenting over the fact that his people are literally getting shoah'd and he's just putting out atmoshit instead of anti-Semitic riffs
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:37:22 PM
No.127002323
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>>127001429
>scan the thread on this day randomly.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:40:36 PM
No.127002340
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>>127002330
surprisingly accurate
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:43:24 PM
No.127002363
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:43:27 PM
No.127002365
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>>127002473
>>127002330
>>127002240
>4cuck.org addicts immediately screeching after being reminded they live here 24/7 365 while others don't
Gotta laugh at the poor internet junkies.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:43:36 PM
No.127002368
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:52:38 PM
No.127002432
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>>127002439
>>127002372
umm i thnk thats just called "space"?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:53:37 PM
No.127002438
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:53:38 PM
No.127002439
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>>127002500
>>127002432
yeah but the I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE people are saying "It's so over" so I was hoping for some doom
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:59:29 PM
No.127002473
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>>127002481
>>127002365
all of your multiple day long meltdowns say otherwise
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:01:31 PM
No.127002481
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>>127002502
>>127002473
And all of your months long meltdowns about your bully who wasn't even here say you are a broken buck with a mind that has been dominated for years now.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:03:53 PM
No.127002494
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>>127002506
>>127002319
The Palestinians are a race of losers, hating the Jews doesn't make this any less true
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:04:39 PM
No.127002500
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>>127002439
>I was hoping for some doom
Aw man. 17 search hits in my library and none of them is doom. Sorry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiucJ4lIG-g
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:05:15 PM
No.127002502
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>>127002522
>>127002481
>no u
back to ur progslop
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:06:17 PM
No.127002506
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>>127002513
>>127002494
This is honestly true, you ironically need to a certain joie de vivre to make good black metal and poor thirdies often lack that
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:07:22 PM
No.127002512
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hector pretending like he isn't here 24/7 by claiming he "scanned" the last thread like that's something anyone does or like that's any less pathetic. yea let me just go read through the old threads hahahaha. what a loser
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:07:27 PM
No.127002513
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:08:56 PM
No.127002522
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>>127002532
>>127002502
>djent god
>drop z 80 string guitar
I think you have me confused for a Beta Debased Male fan, I don't tolerate percussive post-African repetitions.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:10:02 PM
No.127002532
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>>127002585
>>127002522
still filtered by actual extreme music I see
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:10:10 PM
No.127002533
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:10:32 PM
No.127002536
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>>127002628
>makes Hector piss and shit himself in confusion and fear
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:15:00 PM
No.127002573
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>>127001224
As promised. It's holding up so far
>>127002532
>filtered by actual extreme music
But we love Scelsi here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O1doTeDCC0
Unfortunately white noise nigga beatz simulator aka NithingBurger is only extreme in the sense of being the ultimate form of melatonin.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:23:09 PM
No.127002621
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>>127002652
>>127002585
>microtonLEL slop
/r/classical moment
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:24:06 PM
No.127002628
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>>127002536
THREE KICK DRUMS?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:27:13 PM
No.127002649
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power chord slop, parallel fifths
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:27:47 PM
No.127002652
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BD(S)M is a homoerotic genre fascinated with the anus, while its sound is a melanized form of death metal for those with a darker complexion. In alignment with its p*nk influence, the "songs" range from 30-120 seconds as the lesser minds cannot fathom any timespam beyond that. Along with Grindrcore - this genre is the Tiktok of "music", an endless sea of low effort mindrot pumped out to the brainless masses.
>>127002621
>Scelsi's second sonata
>microtonal
This is your brain on post-African percussion.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:28:28 PM
No.127002658
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>>127002585
>Giacunto Skibidelsi
not metal
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:33:27 PM
No.127002698
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Artist: Darkthrone
Album: Panzerfaust
Song: Beholding The Throne of Might
>And destruction upon the holy man
>Who hails a jew
My favorite BDM bands? Anal Stabwound, Rectal Discharge, Dirty Downstairs, Brown Ooze, Bumhole Prolapse, and Leaky Hole.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:34:52 PM
No.127002713
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>>127002728
>>127002701
your list is ass
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:35:40 PM
No.127002719
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slam boy summer
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:36:27 PM
No.127002728
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>>127002713
Sorry, but us BDM xisters are only interested in male asses, its part of our p*nk heritage you see?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:36:32 PM
No.127002730
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>>127002747
>>127002701
Why do they all sound like extreme gay porn?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:38:23 PM
No.127002747
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>>127002730
It ain't called Butt Destroyed Men for no reason brother.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:40:27 PM
No.127002766
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Bottom Daily Masc
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:40:49 PM
No.127002772
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>>127002784
>>127001224
Blasting Demon King's new single. We're finally getting a full-length album from them. Long overdue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVAOuZshCZw
>>127002210
Thanks for this rec. I'm enjoying it so far. I'm with you on SoI's new album as well.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:42:49 PM
No.127002784
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>>127002835
>>127002772
Malcolm is a busy dude to be fair. Inferi seemingly never stops touring
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:43:41 PM
No.127002796
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B(ased)D(emigod)M(asters)
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:45:11 PM
No.127002809
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Beta Debased Male
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:47:39 PM
No.127002831
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:47:49 PM
No.127002835
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>>127002846
>>127002784
I don't think he's with Demon King anymore, is he? But yeah, I just saw both bands last month at rags to riffage part II. He and Boiser killed it. Can't wait for Inferi's new stuff to come out
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:48:17 PM
No.127002842
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Buck Defiled Mandingo
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:48:40 PM
No.127002846
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>>127002835
oh yeah you're right
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:49:53 PM
No.127002857
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Big Dick Men
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:52:38 PM
No.127002875
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>>127002900
>this confuses and enrages the mentally deficient
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImE2BREJgyQ&list=RDImE2BREJgyQ
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:55:07 PM
No.127002891
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Bro Defies Masculinity
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:56:01 PM
No.127002900
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>>127002875
album should be called the filtration impetus for the effect it has on smoothbrains
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 3:01:42 PM
No.127002955
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>>127003278
>Denzel Curry opening for Deftones's EU tour in February
Why
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 3:02:06 PM
No.127002959
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Bumhole Desecrating Mainly
>>127001133 (OP)
Who's the Frank Zappa of metal?
>idiosyncratic approach to writing music
>band composed of top tier musicians
>music is complex, and demanding to play and listen to
>being silly a lot of the time, but perfectly capable of being serious
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 3:04:20 PM
No.127002977
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>>127002982
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 3:04:56 PM
No.127002982
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>>127002965
Ron Jarzombek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMHY4tL43IQ
>>127002977
>idiosyncratic approach to writing music
>band composed of top tier musicians
>music is complex, and demanding to play and listen to
Lol.
Lmao.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 3:05:45 PM
No.127002991
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>>127003007
Should have known it was just Heckfag replying to himself.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 3:07:30 PM
No.127003007
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>>127002991
>Schizophrenia is preferable to accepting that my radio buttrock popslop is neither complex nor idiosyncratic
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 3:08:56 PM
No.127003021
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NithingBurger and Defecated Sharty
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 3:14:45 PM
No.127003072
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>>127002740
Your mother's arsr
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 3:15:50 PM
No.127003077
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>>127002740
Your mother. Her arse specifically
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 3:16:34 PM
No.127003082
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Can't wait for an 0rbit0r to proclaim the above post is me.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 3:16:39 PM
No.127003083
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>>127003130
>>127002965
Devin Townsend I guess
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 3:22:24 PM
No.127003130
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>>127003083
the Steve Vai connection between both makes it a solid choice
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 3:35:00 PM
No.127003251
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>>127003295
Eugenics
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 3:38:21 PM
No.127003278
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>>127002955
Because he covered Bulls on Parade once.
>>127002965
!T.O.O.H!
>>127003251
Adam and his harem of chemically castrated eunuch brown slaves. Literally the most racist man alive.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 3:41:04 PM
No.127003303
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>>127003340
>>127003295
Why did you reply to yourself with your own delusional cope tho
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 3:47:07 PM
No.127003340
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>>127003303
>in my mind, it was real
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 3:50:00 PM
No.127003360
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>>127003462
I heard through the grapevine that Jute Gyte has been informed about the recent slander against him and might take legal action.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 3:58:38 PM
No.127003419
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>>127003590
>>127003399
and when he wins the case? You guessed it, donated to the NAACP.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 3:59:29 PM
No.127003427
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>>127003590
>>127003399
He's going to sue 4chan and donate a gorillion dollars to the NAACP
We will never be able to type out the N-word maliciously ever again
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 4:02:59 PM
No.127003462
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>>127003419
>>127003427
>another $1488 to estrogenizing darkies
Adam "Zyklon E" Kalmbach at it again.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 4:19:43 PM
No.127003591
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>>127003599
>>127003399
>legal action
Against who? kek
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 4:20:44 PM
No.127003599
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>>127003591
The hacker named 4cuck.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 4:21:05 PM
No.127003604
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>>127004330
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 4:23:38 PM
No.127003617
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 4:24:59 PM
No.127003630
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>>127003590
filtered, didn't read
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 4:26:02 PM
No.127003635
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>>127003590
Capped and saved for future generations, printed and put on my wall.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 4:28:31 PM
No.127003656
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>>127003669
kek, this looks fun
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 4:34:13 PM
No.127003706
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>>127003713
>>127003669
what the actual fuck is this?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 4:34:45 PM
No.127003711
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>>127003888
>>127003703
Not half as fun as the cover suggests sadly
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 4:34:55 PM
No.127003712
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>>127003722
>>127003295
>castrated eunuch brown slave
aka hector
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 4:35:08 PM
No.127003713
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>>127003706
>>127003703
Its ironic-metal slop for numales such as trannypopper.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 4:36:08 PM
No.127003722
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>>127003712
>no u
NGMI Ia55
>Metal genres
Heavy metal
Doom metal
Power metal
Thrash metal
Death metal
Black metal
>Non metal genres
Nu-metal
Crossover
Hardcore
Grindcore
Metalcore
Deathcore
Slam
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 4:44:52 PM
No.127003802
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>>127003754
Slam and deathcore are more or less synonymous nowadays. It has the same breakdown obsession and overproduced ADHD blasting.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 4:48:41 PM
No.127003838
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 4:53:57 PM
No.127003888
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>>127003711
me on the right
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 4:55:09 PM
No.127003902
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>>127004434
>>127003832
Correct.
And all of this is the final end state descended from BD(S)M deciding that harmony and melody were too complex, so they threw it away in favor of shallow percussive breakdowns. Djent is merely the progressive form of this form of meme "music", where it attempts to form something of worth through rhythm alone. Unfortunately real music will always be primarily focused on tones over rhythm.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 4:57:30 PM
No.127003916
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 4:58:54 PM
No.127003923
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>>127002678
Based convergehead
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 5:00:01 PM
No.127003929
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 5:07:34 PM
No.127003976
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>>127002678
bit too much emo this week
>>127001133 (OP)
Yasuyuki Suzuki does not deserve to be featured in the OP. He is a shit-breathing mongreloid and a talentless faggot who's admitted in interviews that his English and guitar skills suck and that he's not interested in improving either of them. He's like a reverse Christian Munzer; he's been in several projects yet everything he touches turns to shit. At least Gezol can somewhat play guitar and speak proper English.
>>127001224
I wish there was a png of this pentagram available that doesn't have the band logo cutting into it.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 5:11:44 PM
No.127004004
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 5:12:08 PM
No.127004010
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>>127004063
>>127001224
Megalomania is one of the best songs of all time
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 5:18:18 PM
No.127004063
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>>127004085
>>127004010
except for Symptom Of The Universe, this is Black Sabbath's least metal album of all time, even less than Technical Ecstasy.
which album should I rate for my text file next
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 5:20:18 PM
No.127004085
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>>127004063
>this is Black Sabbath's least metal album of all time
It's really not, SBS has more hard rock on it than this one does
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 5:21:41 PM
No.127004100
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>>127004064
fuck off furfag
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 5:22:36 PM
No.127004115
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>>127004064
Synarchy of Molten Bones.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 5:23:48 PM
No.127004131
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>>127004149
has there been a halfway decent megadeth song/album since the system has failed
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 5:25:00 PM
No.127004145
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>>127004166
>>127004134
I remember liking endgame when I checked it out last year
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 5:25:37 PM
No.127004149
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 5:27:57 PM
No.127004166
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>>127004467
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 5:31:36 PM
No.127004201
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>>127004249
>>127003993
>>127002678
Not too much music this week. Just finished up my slightly out of order Post-Halmstad Shining discography run.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 5:33:51 PM
No.127004225
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>>127003832
Deathcore is shit but slam is significantly worse.
>>127004201
Embarrassing even by Linus standards.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 5:38:35 PM
No.127004260
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 5:38:57 PM
No.127004265
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 5:42:11 PM
No.127004302
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>>127004249
>Ol troonypopper fears and makes enemy with anyone who actually listens to metal unlike xerself
Lol.
Lmao.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 5:46:04 PM
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>>127004337
>>127003604
Beloved here. One of the best thrash albums.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 5:46:55 PM
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>>127004414
>>127004330
>Here
This isn't /punk/ though, you seem lost?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 5:56:27 PM
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>>127004423
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 5:57:40 PM
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>>127004414
Yeah everyone who listens to punk is, true.
>>127003902
The irony is that if you go back just 10 years, deathcore was so ridiculously slam oriented that it was actually distinguishable from all the bland garbage you hear now. It's only breakdowns and that's it. It's got the Meshuggah production and hardcore vocals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEGeNgdd3NE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NS2goMPOnQ&pp=ygUQYm9keXNuYXRjaGVycyBlcA%3D%3D
Now...the deathcore scene is mindless wankery that's mixed with breakdowns. Everyone wants to imitate The Faceless on their 'Planetary Duality' record during the late 2000's.
>>127001429
Just post a vocaroo of your vocals over some instrumental right now? Are you that fucking poor you have no device with a microphone? Or are you just scared of being made fun of?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:00:50 PM
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>>127004504
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7/11/2025, 6:04:48 PM
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>>127004166
thank you simpsister
>>127004477
eh, it's one of those albums you listen to once to understand the "historical significance" of, then you move on from it and listen to DT's better albums.
has kekkey ever talked about something he had even the slightest idea about?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:07:58 PM
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>>127004550
>>127004486
I think when he talks about the superior aesthetics of the penis, he's an expert there.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:08:52 PM
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>>127004449
we already know he's never going to
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:09:21 PM
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>>127004624
>>127001429
Yeah it was supposed to be bad 90s vocals, i.e. 90% throat sounds and delivered at 'polite' volume. When I do real vocals it'll piss off my neighbors.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:13:07 PM
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>>127004486
Has /shredddit/?
Reminder this was the result of /shreddiiit/ attempting to speak about music
>>126012302
>>127004442
>you are le poor if you le don't own an unnecessary device that you would have no use for
Not everyone is busy ERPing on discord like yourself. I might grab one just to mog a track for laughs, it really is easy to go beyond metaltard standards
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:14:07 PM
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>>127004249
>Linus
I thought it was decided on discord to abandon this?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:15:12 PM
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*spits in hector's face*
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:15:22 PM
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>>127004567
>>127004532
Stop pretending you're busy. We know you're not.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:15:42 PM
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>>127004499
Why did you reply to yourself with this off-topic post, lass?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:16:34 PM
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>>127004621
Metal for this feel?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:16:38 PM
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>>127004546
>Ww
Whom, you and your no-life discord cliquers that live on this general 365 24/7? When was the last time you missed a day here Troony? Don't bother answering that btw, LOVING EVERY LAUGH.
>>127004532
you don't even own a phone, got it
>filtered posts are back
Why?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:20:53 PM
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7/11/2025, 6:21:25 PM
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7/11/2025, 6:21:53 PM
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even the most abysmal vocaroos posted here are still better than juden gyte. basically if you can play a single note you're more competent than adam kalmbach and 1000x more than hacktor
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:25:25 PM
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>>127004554
Any grindcore show
>>127004434
Both of them are spiritually dead-on-arrival genres that rely on a gimmick (breakdowns) instead of crafting real music. Really the only difference between any of these meme genres is the degree of poison (breakdowns) each has.
>>127004507
I figured, although it was really close to 90's BM vocals that I think are dreadful, so I wasn't sure how much was suppose to be a joke or not. Throaty vocals are the best, but the higher pitched "wraith" style in the 90's just sounds whiny and non-threatening. It was also rather stale, throaty vocals should give a lot more variety when done well, but in the 90's only Attila seemed capable of realizing that.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:31:15 PM
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Thrash metal more like trash metal lol
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:32:34 PM
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When Darkthrone goes "come on!" in In the Shadow of the Horns-- cutest moment in black metal history!
>>127004582
here's a more robust filter for one of his terms if anyone cares
\/*s+h+r+e+d+i+t+\/*
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:33:04 PM
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>>127004570
I do, but I highly doubt you can record vocals on a phone in any measurable quality. Not that I've ever tried though.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:34:08 PM
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excuses, excuses
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:34:17 PM
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>>127004904
>>127004570
He probably owns a vegan fairphone made out of bamboo with a Tim Henson dressed as a catgirl background
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:35:10 PM
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Anonymous
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>>127004760
How did Euronymous really die? Let's find out...
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:37:20 PM
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Remember that guy who said he was totally going to save /5hredd1t/ by training an LLM to filter all his bully's posts. TOP KEK.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:40:56 PM
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>>127004714
He threatened to murder a superior man. Ergo, suicide.
>>127004624
Right, the throaty rasp is basically what defines black metal vocals. But a lot of the 90s guys sound like they're only using head voice and very little air, Ihsahn on ITNE for instance. Attila uses varying combinations of rasp, head voice, and diaphragm, at times achieving a resonance resembling throat singing (makes sense given his steppe ancestry). So there's more depth and variety of expression as you say.
I don't listen to DHG but I kinda like Aldrahn's approach on their first album and the Zyklon-B release. I think he could be harsher with his rasp, but I like that he uses chest voice more than head voice.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:43:10 PM
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Jesus, this general has never been dumber.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:45:22 PM
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Filosofem should have been an EP. The first 3 tracks would have been perfection
Anonymous
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>>127005250
>>127004757
Remember when you said you`d be leaving those 3 dozen times
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:46:22 PM
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>>127004825
>>127004757
Why are you making off-topic posts?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:47:11 PM
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>>127004813
Why are you avatarfagging?
Haven't posted in /meal/ for six years, what did i miss?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:51:21 PM
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>>127004833
1983: peace of mind
1989: altars of madness
Crazy right?
Well in the past 6 years since 2019, an equivalent amount of stylistic branching, development, and evolution, volume of essential unforgettable albums, and new beloved bands have appeared. Time to catch up!
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:56:27 PM
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:56:38 PM
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Epic.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:58:00 PM
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>>127004927
>>127004833
Bongman is gone. Two different schizos are constantly shitting the place up. One thinks he’s a DJ and the other pretends he’s an intellectual. That’s about it.
>>127004912
>One thinks he’s a DJ
Now I miss the EDMspammer. He wasn't here for long but holy did kekky have impressive meltdowns over him
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:59:14 PM
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>>127004941
lmaoing @ kektor bitching about "clique spam" yet he mostly only talks about other people here
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:00:25 PM
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>>127005046
>>127004927
Any tripfags? Is my nigga preachercrawling alive?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:00:44 PM
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>>127005039
>>127004927
What do you mean you miss him? He’s here literally every day. He made the last thread.
Anonymous
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>>127004929
He basically devolved into a fartsniffer pseud version of Negru
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:06:00 PM
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runemagick
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:08:54 PM
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>>127005122
>>127004624
Winds of Plague is the number one culprit when it comes to making deathcore so prevalent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWjs0MFTtL0
It's got the flatbrim wigger breakdowns and hiphop music video. A very American phenomenon.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:12:44 PM
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7/11/2025, 7:13:01 PM
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flatbrims are based
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:13:48 PM
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>>127004936
I really doubt it. May the sweetest of cough syrups drench his soul.
Anonymous
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>>127004434
this is a retard's reading of the scene with about 10 seconds of research
How the fuck can you guys see all these namefags when they're not even namefagging
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:18:18 PM
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>>127005111
>>127005080
Basic pattern recognition
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:19:54 PM
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>>127005092
Doesn't work for me
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:20:18 PM
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>>127005080
Their typing style and choice of topics betrays them. /metal/ pattern recognition strikes again.
Anonymous
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>>127005165
>>127005011
>Winds of Plague is the number one culprit when it comes to making deathcore so prevalent.
This is so wrong I don't even know where to start. Deathcore was well established before they came around. You might have a point if you could point to Despised Icon acting like this.
Anonymous
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>>127004691
thank you filtration expert brother
>>127005122
It's not wrong. Deathcore is defacto a wigger slam genre. Despised Icon's first album is BDM with some various screamo autism thrown in.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:32:11 PM
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>>127005165
and one of the vocalists was a chick
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:35:30 PM
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I remember when Varg titled a youtube video "Snow Niggas (In Da Wood)"
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:35:50 PM
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I WANT OUT
TO LIVE MY LIFE AND TO BE FREE
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:37:16 PM
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>>127005313
>>127004811
repeat that without the hysterical tears
>>127005250
You must mistake me for your mother whenever she talks with you about finally getting a girlfriend or a job
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:50:14 PM
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>>127005442
metal is for brown people
viva la raza
Anonymous
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>>127005762
>>127004772
Ihsahn truly is the worst of the worst, whole 70 seconds of instrumental in the beginning of ITNE only to hear those weak gargle-ly vocals. It was only saved by throwing him as far back in the mix as possible lol.
Attila is great, all that you mentioned plus the whispers and operatic stuff he does, he really has a great range of methods to communicate any sort of emotion he wants. He's really in my mind the first great metal vocalist.
>Aldrahn
Actually underated, even by myself because I often forget about him, we think alike if you bring him up since he was one of the first third wave style of vocalist - that deeper throaty style that become the mainstay of modern BM around the time of Watain and the rest of the Orthodox scene. He also developed his own unique take with the shouty stuff he does in DHG.
That being said - as always with black metal - Snorre was still ahead of everyone else by decades, even vocals which isn't his focus. Trondertun demo hes much deeper than his other peers.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:56:28 PM
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>>127005313
Not even replying to me I@55 lmao.
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>>127004477
Me
Title track and Graven Takeheimens Saler are favorites
>>127004772
Also what do you make of Maniac? Personally I can't stand him, like a really half rate version of Attila, I guess he was trying to fufill the same varied role as Attila, but never hit the mark on anything he tried.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:15:15 PM
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>>127005313
You're a mischling who self-identifies as a Korean teenage girl in a metal general. No mistake on my part.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:18:41 PM
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>>127005463
Maniac was in Mayhem 7 years before Attila.
Anonymous
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>>127005851
>>127005416
>[Attila's] really in my mind the first great metal vocalist.
Yep. And it seems like it's purely because he challenged himself to sound as atypical as possible on DMDS. I think he had no direction from Euro or anyone else, just go ham. His Tormentor style would have yielded a far less memorable performance. Though I do like Tormentor, especially when they go curazy like at 0:27 in "Heaven":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWqnZ3ZGnnQ
>>127005463
I could never stand Maniac, even on Deathcrush where he's slightly more tolerable he has this very loud falsetto thing atop his screams. In fact, I think that's what Varg was emulating on the Burzum s/t (his least palatable vocal performance). But then WLA onward Maniac adopts this angry cat growl that just sucks so hard. Man there's so much bullshit on GDoW.
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7/11/2025, 8:23:55 PM
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>>127005820
>[Attila's] really in my mind the first great metal vocalist.
kill zoomers
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:24:38 PM
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>>127003993
>I wish there was a png of this pentagram available that doesn't have the band logo cutting into it.
It's pretty symmetrical besides a few shining light spots. You could probably edit it together yourself.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:26:32 PM
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>>127005844
>>127004927
>Now I miss the EDMspammer. He wasn't here for long
Best part is I can't tell if /5r3dd1t/ pattern recognition is so bad that they don't know R@tthew never left, or if they never realized the hardstyle posting was me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWq3hUw_Jls
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7/11/2025, 8:26:56 PM
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>>127005775
it's like listening to a high school conversation at lunch
>>127005812
> if they never realized the hardstyle posting was me.
So you not only spammed the general with off-topic posts, you then also samefag seethed over said posts? Thanks for confirming you're even more mentally unwell than previously thought
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:29:10 PM
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>You're a mischling who self-identifies as a Korean teenage girl in a metal general. No mistake on my part.
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7/11/2025, 8:29:50 PM
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>>127005762
>>[Attila's] really in my mind the first great metal vocalist.
Who? Also no.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:31:50 PM
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>>127005940
>Who?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:32:22 PM
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>>127005925
>>127005165
You know nothing about deathcore if you're saying Winds of Plague is a foundational band to the subgenre. You're just looking for something to confirm your bias, as you do with every subgenre.
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>>127005912
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>>127005904
Deathcore is dogshit, mostly because of the vocals
Slam is the peak of metal
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:34:05 PM
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>>127005895
>dogshit, mostly because of the vocals
this is how I feel about slam
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:34:13 PM
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>>127006019
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7/11/2025, 8:34:38 PM
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>>127005891
whitest burzum fan
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:36:08 PM
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>>127005948
>>127005880
Who said foundational band, you autist? You did. Winds of Plague are the ones that popularized the flatbrim wigger slam that is 90% of deathcore. Despised Icon is BDM with screamo influences.
>Headhunterz
The most lowbrow, normie-tier dogshit EDM possible.Exclusively listened to by sub-80 IQ pillpoppers. Congrats on again outing you as a massive tourist.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:37:22 PM
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>>127005876
Yeah who is he? Never heard of him.
>>127005925
>flatbrim wigger slam that is 90% of deathcore
you know nothing and speak with such confidence
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:39:11 PM
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>>127006063
>>127005948
You know even less and you think Despised Icon was some major genre inventor.
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7/11/2025, 8:39:35 PM
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>>127005978
>>127005948
>you know nothing and speak with such confidence
This is his entire online presence in a nutshell.
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7/11/2025, 8:39:45 PM
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stop talking to yourself through greentext
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:40:11 PM
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>>127006019
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>>127005968
No, that's yours.
Anonymous
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>>127006074
Why is he posting some dudes he thirsts over now
Anonymous
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>>127005907
>>127005930
>>127005977
stop talking to yourself hector
Anonymous
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>>127006115
>>127005963
>Despised Icon was some major genre inventor.
They were, and it's been talked about extensively by people that actually pay attention to the subgenre. Stop posting anytime.
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>>127006197
>>127006063
No they weren't. They're just another BDM band with minor vocal changes here and there (screamo influence). Deathcore today is 90% flatbrim wigger slam and if Despised Icon were so original their imprint would have lasted longer but you know that's not the case.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:57:04 PM
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>>127005844
>So you not only spammed the general with off-topic posts
you have 0 self-awareness
Is Hector posing as me arguing with him now or what is going on here with all the additional Kpopposting
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:59:42 PM
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>>127006201
>>127006149
There was that spell where he totally lost it and spammed dozens of kpoop thumbnails
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:00:17 PM
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imma record some faux radio episodes talking about lesser known bands and playing their stuff between my rants
I'll need a microphone
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:03:07 PM
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>>127006281
>>127006115
>Deathcore today is 90% flatbrim wigger slam
Deathcore is more obsessed with appearing metal than ever before lol. You've got deathcore bands wearing corpse paint and shit now
>but you know that's not the case
Despised Icon's sonic imprint is all over the entirety of deathcore same as The Red Chord while Winds of Plague isn't even the most influential symphoshit deathcore band.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:03:38 PM
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>>127006164
A truly demented whoreson. Those new tariffs must have enraged him. Now his benefits wont allow for a new Jute Gyte purchase and subsequent donation to trans charities...
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:04:19 PM
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>>127006226
>>127006149
i mean he just admitted he spammed off-topic shit and samefag seethed over it, so in all likelihood it's all him. hell, this post is probably hector too.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:06:34 PM
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>>127006209
>tfw we can't even be sure if heck isn't inside all of us
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:08:15 PM
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oh no he's back again?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:10:11 PM
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H3ct0r
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7/11/2025, 9:10:23 PM
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>>127006427
>>127006246
never heard of em, and since fagtano is the first place I have heard of em I shan't be listening
Jute Gyte Reveals HIV-Positive Status in Open Letter
July 11, 2025 | MetalNewswire
Avant-garde metal artist Jute Gyte (Adam Kalmbach) has publicly revealed his HIV-positive status in a candid open letter shared via Bandcamp. Known for his dissonant microtonal compositions and fiercely independent ethos, Kalmbach said the diagnosis has reshaped—but not diminished—his creative drive.
“Illness reconfigures the narrative architecture of the self,” he wrote. “There’s a rupture—not just in the body, but in how time unfolds, how meaning coheres... If my work has always been about confronting dissonance, then this is another form of that: an embodied, lived dissonance that demands to be transmuted.”
Kalmbach confirmed his health is stable and that he’s receiving treatment. He also announced a forthcoming album, Phosphene Psalms, written in the wake of the diagnosis.
Fans and fellow musicians—including members of Krallice andthe experimental scene—voiced immediate support, calling the letter a rare act of creative courage.
“I am still here,” Kalmbach concluded. “Still working.”
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:11:48 PM
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>>127006308
>>127006197
>Despised Icon's sonic imprint is all over the entirety of deathcore
No it isn't. Despised Icon's style of playing is BDM and they throw in some screamo vocals. Nothing original whtasoever.
>same as The Red Chord
Wow, another non-genre inventor. Winds of Plague is the main reason why deathcore even spread and it was the flatbrim wigger slam that still lingers today.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:12:21 PM
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>>127006320
>>127006274
Holy crap is this real?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:14:04 PM
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>>127006347
>>127001224
why did none of you tell me septicflesh used to be a good band?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:14:15 PM
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>>127006332
>>127006281
you are legit retarded
>>127006274
>Adam Kalmbach
literally who?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:15:31 PM
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>>127006290
Fraid so little bro...
>>127006312
He was a famous RuPauls DragRace contestant
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:16:24 PM
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>>127006312
a transgender slop merchant and PoC ally
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:17:02 PM
No.127006332
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>>127006308
You think Despised Icon was some trailblazer band and yet their influence is so weak that everyone adopted the flatbrim wigger slam instead.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:19:13 PM
No.127006347
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>>127006307
I told you last week.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:19:17 PM
No.127006348
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>flatbrim
Fagtor now adopting Dawg-lingo. Gigacringus maximus totalis.That gay guy probably dyes his hair as well.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:19:46 PM
No.127006351
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>>127006362
>>127001224
Not as good as their debut. Anyone know if their later releases worth checking out?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:20:54 PM
No.127006361
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>>127006246
>ecstatic black metal
Sounds like the hipster version of triumphant or solar black metal.
>>127006351
i thought it was someone shooting their load on someon's face on the thumbnail before i blew (lol) up the image
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:22:10 PM
No.127006372
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>>127006362
lol now I can't unsee that
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:22:57 PM
No.127006377
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>>127006362
Same. Would have been hot.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:27:09 PM
No.127006407
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What’s some metal for drinking margaritas
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:28:35 PM
No.127006420
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brah brah
hehe
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:29:38 PM
No.127006427
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>>127006265
I like him, he's the host of TND
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:30:04 PM
No.127006431
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Ogre
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:30:35 PM
No.127006438
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:44:22 PM
No.127006601
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 11:09:05 PM
No.127007635
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>>127004532
>Not everyone is busy ERPing on discord like yourself
Holy projection LMAO
>I might grab one just to mog a track for laughs
We already know you never will ;)