Thread 127007544

Why can't industry plants be honest?

>>127007544 (OP)
Last time someone tried to be honest about the music industry his doctor prescribed him a lethal dose of anesthetics.

>>127007544 (OP)
He’s right

>>127007544 (OP)
why can't incels like you get laid?

>>127007658
not him, but it's because I despise women.

Looked at his social media to analyze his likes and comments on posts. In March his likes and comments went up 30% for no reason. 4 months later he's averaging 2x likes and comments from March. Social media following is 1.6m but gets 400k likes. Abnormal. Definitely has a machine pushing him. It's ok to be honest.

>>127007758
It’s tiktok virals that his fangirls make

>>127007544 (OP)
I genuinely do not believe ANYBODY can get famous from just hard work and talent alone. That is a load of bullshit. There are SO MANY hardworking and talented people who are not famous. Lol.

>>127007758
maybe his song was just good and people shared it alot?

>>127008691
There's also a lot of people who get signed to major labels and get their backing only to end up failing and getting dropped. It's just a lot of randomness that goes into being successful or not.

>>127008788
Yeah but let me tell you it has nothing to do with skill and talent, I think it is literally just being in the right place at the right time lol.

>>127008801
it's a combination of both. You need to put out good music for people to like it. You're not gonna take some guy off the street who doesn't know anything about music and make him famous just based on luck.

>>127007758
Do you realize the likes of Nirvana, The Cure, Depeche Mode, David Bowie, etc had the "machine" pushing them? If they didn't then their music would have gone under the radar and the general public wouldn't have a clue who they are. Which is one of the main reasons why rock musicians aren't popular anymore on the highest mainstream level anymore.

>>127008788
you can grind for years before making it and who knows why? maybe you didn't have the right songs or you didn't have label support.

I could argue for example how Sam Cooke was an instant superstar with his first record but that rarely happens in practice.

>>127009202
>I could argue for example how Sam Cooke was an instant superstar with his first record but that rarely happens in practice.
he had a classic record out of the gate and yes that doesn't always happen. in the same period Connie Francis went her first 2-1/2 years as a recording artist without any charting records despite making prodigies of them.

>>127007544 (OP)
I don't even know this faggot's music but I bet it's shit.

>>127007544 (OP)
who the fuck is this jew? apparently he went famous overnight definitely some fishy shit here

>>127008691
Let's be real man, success is a combination of factors.
Sometimes the talent and work ethic is off the chart (Prince, MJ), while in other cases artists suck or are mid but get pushed like crazy because of industry dynamics (Dua Lipa, Clairo).
Most of the time though, people with lasting success tend to have something which makes them special (an amazing voice, -like Billie Eilish-, good appearance and some talent, -like Justin Bieber-, etc.) and the backing of some label pushing their music to make it.

>>127007658
Every thought maybe they don't want to? There's plenty of other things to do in the world coomer.

>>127008771
lmfao

In 2023, Complex's Trace William Cowen called industry plant accusations "among the dumbest quasi-theories some listeners like to throw around whenever a new artist breaks through". Hazel Cills stated for NPR that industry plants "don't really exist" and that the term "keeps getting thrown around by younger audiences" because of changes in the music industry and "a kind of skepticism when a young person sees an artist and they're not already inundated with their body of work".
The term "industry plant" has also been criticized as meaningless or vague. Josh Terry of Vice wrote that the term had "no adequate definition" and that there was "no consensus at all on what an 'industry plant' actually is". For Clash, Robin Murray wrote that the term was "hopelessly vague, and more a criticism of ... a general, undefinable sense of inauthenticity, than any actual intersection with the music". For Jezebel, Cills wrote that "the term often means nearly whatever the critic in question wants it to mean".
Critics have described the pejorative as being used more commonly against young women than other artists. Josh Terry of Vice wrote that it was "disproportionately directed at non-white, non-male-identifying artists". Kyann-Sian Williams of NME also stated that it was "often assigned to non-white, non-male success stories", while Far Out's Elle Palmer wrote that it "seems to be disproportionately thrown at successful young women starting out in the industry, and often with very little research to back up the damaging label" and was "an easy way to dismiss the talent of young women". Under the Radar's Andy Von Pip also wrote that the term was "a crass and often deeply misogynistic attempt to undermine [the] credibility and creativity" of female artists.
Cills wrote that the term "emphasiz[ed] a narrative that suggests popular artists are either authentic or totally fake, working without any outside help or label puppets, when in reality the lines are depressingly blurrier".

>>127009626
>Billie
>good voice
if you think sounding like you're slowly being asphyxiated is good singing be my guest

>>127009957
>Critics have described the pejorative as being used more commonly against young women than other artists. Josh Terry of Vice wrote that it was "disproportionately directed at non-white, non-male-identifying artists". Kyann-Sian Williams of NME also stated that it was "often assigned to non-white, non-male success stories"

Hey troon, I'm completely fair and I'll acknowledge that Pat Boone, Ricky Nelson, Ricky Nelson's sons, Bush, Linkin Park, and Machine Gun Kelly were white and male industry plants.

>>127010023
She has obvious skills, which are apparent when you watch her on Genius.

>>127007544 (OP)
This guy is 19 years old btw.

>>127010050
>Machine Gun Kelly
He won consecutive amateur nights at the Apollo Theater in Harlem at 19 years old and was the first rapper to ever win it. He had already released 5 mixtapes by then and got signed 3 years later. I was at both Apollo wins. He's the farthest thing from a industry plant.

>>127011018
>>127011289
really poor showing, try to be less obvious next time

>>127007544 (OP)
this pansy looks like he's never worked a day in his life

>>127011954
You're trying way too hard. I also think MGK's music sucks, but I like him as a person. I'm not the MGK anon btw.

>>127009626
with all of the good singers in the world you pick... Billie?

>>127009132
Faggot most faggots don't know who Depeche Mode or The Cure are unless they're from South America or Germany

>>127009626
>an amazing voice, -like Billie Eilish

total poptimist death

>>127007544 (OP)
I suppose there's truth to that
My dad's a TV director and I'm a loser
Whatever connection that guy had probably helped him but be actually had to try at least a little

>>127007544 (OP)
To be fair he probably has no idea himself if his record company had been boosting his socials in search of something viral hitting, he just keeps posting what they tell him, they're the ones running analytics on shit. It's nearly impossible outside of straight luck to catch on strong without a boost so whatever

>>127012159
Yes, she is pretty much the best mainstream singer in the game right now. Compare her with Dua Lipa, to name someone. It's night and day.

>>127007544 (OP)
Music has always been a cut throat business all about money coming in. This waif, soft looking faggot doesnt have anything meaningful to say to me because Im experienced to the point of being scared ugly. The platform and format has changed so much that buying bot views is the only thing that matters. Its not talent, a new style, or anything meaningful. Its how many views and sales can be gathered and over inflated. Ego has a lot to do with it too. He's in a position a lot of others would kill and suck a ugly old dick for. Doesnt mean you'll create anything lasting. You're a product with extremely low shelf life.

>sombr
Who?

>>127007544 (OP)

>"I have been working for this my whole life"
>Born: July 5, 2005 (age 20)

>>127009957
>Citing music journos
Lolmao

>>127009626
>mid but get pushed like crazy because of industry dynamics
>Clairo
She gets industry push and yet stills flops

>>127007544 (OP)
is this not the stranger things guy?
i don't mind people in the industry using connections to get ahead, that's just how it is. the only thing that bothers me is the dishonesty, musicians and record labels recognise that a story sells the image and brand as much as the music, so everyone needs to have some origin story (it's not good enough to just like and release music) but it's the same old tired humble roots schtick "we just like, put something out there and it 'went viral' overnight" (see wet leg). People don't give britney spears guff over this because there was never any pretence that she was anything else but.

>>127012675
https://youtu.be/c8zq4kAn_O0

>>127007544 (OP)
>my whole life

I mean, kid looks like he rolled up straight outta grade school so is that really saying much?

>>127013938
>is this not the stranger things guy?

No but funny enough the guy you're thinking of actually does have a music career as well. And has way less monthly listeners on Spotify than the guy in the OP.

>>127007544 (OP)
he is an industry breed. this is different.

>>127007544 (OP)
Industry plants and AI slop. That's all music is these days. Garbage generation.

>>127013275
She is absolutely huge for making chillout coffeeshop music. No one expects her to be Sabrina Carpenter.

>>127014147
In narnia maybe?

>>127007544 (OP)
He's fucking beautiful wtf. I have no idea who he is, but I want to put my penis inside of him.

>>127012414
>>127014118
Nice ChatGPT post.

>>127014147
Unfortunately she has no songs anyone has ever heard of.

>>127014862
>Nice ChatGPT post.
Retard.

>>127009652
They would be volcels if that were the case

He’s beautiful and talented and deserved the #1, no one said that he’s an industry plant.
I think he just wants to tabloid clicks.

>>127014118
that's mainly an issue with big three (Warner Sony Universal) acts and less so if you avoid those

>>127014961
No, it's not.

>>127014961
>>127009974
It was always that way no matter the decade. Always overprocessed slop.

>>127014961
We just ended the era of USAID bucks in music calm down.

>>127015087
?

there are dozens of reasons why someone can be successful it's not automatic

>>127007544 (OP)
Never heard of him. It's incredible how minimal the social impact of these little shits is now that TV is done for.

>>127007544 (OP)
>working for it his whole life
He looks about 12

That faggot's music is hot ass. So uninspired, generic and boring that AI could have made it.

>>127007544 (OP)
FPBP and none of you ever studied Payola in basic media history classes? It is literally the business model.

>>127007544 (OP)
I would absolutely destroy this twink

>>127016420
His new song ‘back to friends’ is a viral on tiktok. It’s not payola, it’s his hardcore fangirls streaming it.

>>127007544 (OP)
It's because westners tend to value authenticity from their music but the industry is all just industry plants created by the labels nowadays. In Korea and Japan they're at least honest with that their pop music is manufactured and completely artificial, westerners still have to pretend that their slop is real and authentic to justify their pop consumption. Just look at all the poptimists trying to pretend that popslop is high art.

>>127007544 (OP)
he's so sexy

>>127007544 (OP)
Who is that

>>127016693
Shane Boose

>>127016707
More like Shane Boosy.

>>127016514
Industry plants have always existed though, including the Buttles, Zimmerman, and Loop Zoop.

Not every singer is a plant even though a few like Billie Eilish are easy to spot.

>>127017108
I have no idea who those artists are which goes to show how much influence these industry plants truly had in the end. And again, it's about authenticity. No one would care if these guys where transparent about being industry plants, maybe upset that there are no actually genuine and authentic working class artists in music anymore but that's about it.

industry plants less a problem if they actually had good songs to work with which they don't

He cute fo a white boa

>>127012198
why are so many south americans down with depeche

>>127007544 (OP)
both things can be true

>>127012391
"singer". whispering your lyrics is nothing impressive. olivia rodrigo mogs

>>127016514
>Just look at all the poptimists trying to pretend that popslop is high art.
sad. when will they die?

>>127017061
More like Shane Bussy

give it time we just ended USAID shit

>>127019770
>2 more weeks

>Sombr
isn't that Mike from Stranger Things?

>>127019800
>>127019770
is this some meme i'm not in on?

Sombr is the most talented musician out there.
Not even the biggest popstar like Harry Styles produces his own shit.

>>127020500
there is a schizo on here who claims usaid funded popular music and now that its ended pop and rap are going to die off

>>127007544 (OP)
literally who?

>>127020640
Rap died a while ago. The only rappers anyone mentions anymore are boomer has-beens.