Thread 127017821

Has anything else successfully fused punk with prog?

NoMeansNo
Cardiacs
Gospel

>>127017821 (OP)
https://youtu.be/KQ8mRPIC8Y4?si=zNBs9rNEwV8Ml0OX

>>127017821 (OP)
The Wall
Animals

Exposure
League of Gentlemen

>>127017846
>NoMeansNo
which album/song exactly?

>>127017821 (OP)
spiderland and a bunch of other 90s post-hardcore groups that were influenced by it

>>127017821 (OP)
Bowie, unironically. But no one called it punk or prog.

>>127017821 (OP)
Cheer accident, dog faced hermans, Mars Volta, magazine, deep turtle, breadwinner, iceburn, blind idiot God, leusemia, kulara, ludus, Massacre, Fred frith, Stump, etcetc

>>127017962
>Bowie, unironically
HAHAHAHAJAHAHWHAHSHAHA

Drive Like Jehu - Yank Crime

Punk is popularly predicated on shorter, punchy songs and prog is largely about long, sprawling songs isn't it
I mean if anyone's perfected it (in album form not just a song here and there) then I'd love to hear it
>>127017903
>Animals
Yeah I can definitely see this to some extent via the lyrics and anger
Wall far less so but some tracks still fit

>>127017929
all of wrong, most of its in different time sigs

>>127017821 (OP)
Mars Volta

Little Johnny Jewel is primitivist fusion

>>127018675
>HAHAHAHAJAHAHWHAHSHAHA
Fripp is one of the OG prog guitarists, retard. Arguably the greatest one. And Bowie had him for multiple albums.

>>127017821 (OP)
Smashing Pumpkins.

>>127017821 (OP)
Magazine

>>127017903
>>127018759
there's enough anger and angst on dsotm to qualify
first time i heard it i thought, "punk can sound this good?!"

>>127017821 (OP)
Voivod's Nothingface is just as much a post-hardcore album as it is a prog metal album.

>>127018843
that makes it more like math rock than prog

>>127017962
Good so I'm not the only one in the world who had this feeling

>>127017821 (OP)
black flag tried several times to mixed results

Progressive crust punk/d-beat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyccQTDsXPk

isn't that a lot of post hardcore or no? like mars volta?

>>127017821 (OP)
I find more similarities blending punk and post rock
so shit like Mogwai Rodan Silver Mt. Zion and The World is

>>127019615
>FRIPP WAS FEATURED IN HIS ALBUNS THEREFIRE HE'S PROG
HAHAHAHSHSHAHAHAHA
AND EVEN IF THAT WERE TRUE WHERE TF IS THE PUNK?

>>127017821 (OP)
they don't exist without punk godfather Richard Hell btw

>>127021053
Id say that only the process of weeding out counts

>>127021076
>Progressive crust punk/d-beat
Damn this sounds like a sick combination

>>127019617
>Smashing Pumpkins.
the "queen" variety maybe

>>127017821 (OP)
Well, there used to be this band from the 1970s called HAWKWIND......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNfRIePduqQ&list=OLAK5uy_kCFLJeEuBQmuXIHWYQxX-zjcXtceZe8UY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdQ6TNe5fjY&list=OLAK5uy_kCFLJeEuBQmuXIHWYQxX-zjcXtceZe8UY&index=12

>>127021076
>>127021104
These are really damn good what the fuck

it's just a rock album

>>127025313
I love Hawkwind, but I don't really see the punk element.
It's just prog + hard rock + space.

>>127017821 (OP)
this album has nothing to do with prog nor punk

>>127029014
its post punk tho

>>127017821 (OP)
i fucking hate this pice of shit record
someone shouldve told tom verlaine he cant sing

>not a single mention of Cardiacs
https://youtu.be/V0yTGM4D1io
https://youtu.be/OxhuQWKwbqY

>>127017821 (OP)
lets be honest the second half is kind of a snoozefest. the title track is great though

>>127029459
...Are you blind?

>>127028389
If you shortened the songs down to two and a half to three minutes, and take away the keyboards, synths, and sound effects, it would be straight up PUNK ROCK!
They're doing nothing special, but repeating the same chords over and over again.
If you can't hear the punk in Hawkwind, then you're not listening closeley enough.
Fuck, even The Sex Pistols knew Hawkwind was punk as fuck!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFx6ODp-sVs&list=RDRFx6ODp-sVs&start_radio=1

>>127029481
The pick me songs are on side one, but the second half has depths and shadings that come out over time.

>>127028389
Urban Guerrilla is 100% punk. I suspect it inspired Anarchy in the UK.

>>127024138
>Id say that only the process of weeding out counts
fair enough. wish i could remember where i read it, but apparently ginn was obsessed with king crimson on the last few albums and changed his guitar playing to emulate them. the last few metal-y black flag albums from the original run don't get enough love desu

>>127033500
Their 1984 spew of releases was too much. I don't think they got it together until the '85 releases like Loose Nut and In My Head but nobody listens to those.

>>127032522
>>127032571
not punk.

all this shit sucks and sounds nothing like television

>>127034087
Based pedantic autistic child getting mad over something no one actually said

>>127017821 (OP)
weird that no one has posted it yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhhHae4MGTQ

Also not quite ‘prog’ but deserves an honorable mention

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69s6q8oUSgM

>>127033861
You're not punk.
I kicked over the garbage can (Or Rubbish Bin, if you're a Bong) before you did!

>>127035852
I'm not sure that I woud compare fIREHOSE with prog in any way, shape, or form.
They were just a continuation of The Minutemen, all because some psycho-stalker fan from Ohio wouldn't leave mike Watt alone, and wanted to be the new D. Boon.
>Still a good band, though.....

>>127028389
>>127033861
It's proto-punk. Several Pink Fairies members played with Hawkwind, and they were a certified proto-punk band.

>>127037713
>>127037795
Not Punk

>>127037862
You're a punk because you were butt fucked and gave blowjobs to every n*gger in your prison tier.

>>127017821 (OP)
A huge chunk of the "brutal prog" subgenre is essentially just stripped down progressive rock with a DIY punk mindset.

>>127037875
In that case, you are the punk

>>127029014
I see where they're coming from with this description, but yeah... it's more like Glam Rock tinged powerpop with extended guitar solos and instrumental sections.

Though, the moment in the title track at 8:40 is something even greatest Prog rocks of all time wish they could have created. Not that what's being played is particularly dextrous or virtuosic, but that is one gorgeous little vignette. It really does feel like the skinny CBGB punks saying "fuck you" to all the showy jam bands.

Died

>>127017821 (OP)
Maybe The Stranglers? Their use of keyboards was kinda proggy

>>127017821 (OP)
The Blood Brothers. Burn Piano Island Burn is pretty proggy albeit shorter songs

not reading the thread but i have already come to the conclusion that Return of the Giant Hogweed by Genesis is the prototype for the sound OP is getting at.

Deceit - This Heat?

>>127042145
I'm not sure I would associate that with "Prog" though, just because they have keyboards.
In fact, they sound more like The Doors on certain songs, than anything.

>>127040700
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBrE3vGxp_0&list=RDRBrE3vGxp_0&start_radio=1

If there's no moog it ain't prog

>>127044648
are you 19?

>>127044648
this but replace the moog with a hammond organ

>>127045109
this but replace the hammond organ with a mellotron and hohner pianet running through a maestro fz-1

>>127045205
>mellotron
i'll accept it

>>127017929
small parts isolated and destroyed

Ludus or Lizzie Mercier Decloux maybe

>>127017929
>>127018843
>>127047726
And also in their old mail-order flyers, Alternative Tentacles Records was saying that the Nomeansno album Sex Mad was punk rock's version of the King Crimson album Red. I can't remember the exact wording, unfortunately.