Thread 127017822

Well, turns out the conspiracy theorists were right all along. She stops short of saying the fall was suicide but everything else people here suspected to be true is true: https://medium.com/@tzefmontana_16073/the-true-story-behind-sophies-identity-fdc3f12b1137

>>127017822 (OP)
Archive it before it gets C&Dd I ain't reading that shit right now

>one tranny accusing another tranny of being a fake tranny
Most boring shit ever.

>>127017850
Here you go
https://archive.md/BLQ1d

>>127018065
/thread

>>127018065
>>127018101
Did you miss the parts about sleeping with 18 year olds in her 30s and hiring desperate tranny hookers? Those are mortal sins in gen z's playbook, never mind the actual domestic violence described.

who gives le fuck

>>127018226
are gen z actually shook when they learn trannies are by and large mentally ill degenerates in their private lives? the article was so obnoxiously written that i could only manage to skim it but it doesn't seem to be the shocking bombshell expose i hoped it would be idk

Tzef Montana is a no-HRT "trans woman" and this article was written with AI. whole thing is a bunch of unverifiable claims with no substantiating evidence.

>>127018226
i don't care
>t. 25 year old zoomer

>>127018313
its apparently ai generated. which makes sense since reading it felt like listening to a college educated crackhead

>>127018065
this

>>127019053
Is it not just ESL? she posted it to her own verified Instagram account fwiw

>>127018351
How do you know she's not on hrt?

I only trust MTF trannies who are attracted to men

>>127019197
idk but why it says it's written by tzef while the article is addressing her in third person the whole text? it seems to be a retelling but who wrote it? also I can't take this as seriously now that sophie is dead. she can't defend, address or debunk this and I'm not saying this is not possible because clearly tzef knew her better than anyone but I'd like to see the side of the story of someone else who worked with her but even so, what now? people are gonna continue to be trans, do drugs, be abusive and lie. whatever was going through her head while she did all four is none of my business. i have friends who are trans and they're all normal and happy. meaning i don't see sophie as the blueprint of transexuality. because there's none on anything concerning the lgbt scape.

>>127018351
Em dashes are not conclusive evidence of AI use, read more zoomie

>>127018226
>Did you miss the parts about sleeping with 18 year olds in her 30s
No, I just don't give a shit.

>>127017822 (OP)
>“SOPHIE didn’t die because of the full moon …
she died because no one held her.”

this shit gay af dog

everything about this person and their art (and LGBT art generally) was drenched in overt perversion, sickness and deception. it's weird to see people conflicted over their moral status, or to even apply morals with a movement that's about unlimited, narcissistic hedonism. Like, the entire outlook leads to abusing other people. That's the reason why pride, selfishness and hedonism are looked down upon in traditional moral systems. Watching people try to thread this needle of being the most morally pure, selfish and prideful ultra-degenerate is bizarre. And seeing how people treat Sophie in particular, like they were some wise and wonderful moral figure, for what? Producing propaganda to enable your own self-destruction and the destruction of other young peoples' lives? Enabling you?

Why are Sophie fan being retarded and acting like this article is bullshit? The stuff written in here makes sense and the fans pretending this is just ai bullshit are unironically what contributed to Sophie’s demise

KEK

>>127019270
xhe's said so xherself

some anon said xer music is just banging a bunch of pots and pans, i unfortunately listened to some of it and kek, it literally is schizophrenic pots and pans banging. trvly revolvtionary mvsic

This isn't even the first time she's said this. She's been saying SOPHIE was some sort of post-ironic transphobic performance art project since like 2022

>>127022611
SInce 2020 actually, 6 months before Sophie died
I'm kinda honestly considering maybe it was suicide now even as someone who denied it before
I don't think it was trans-related though, seems she was just very very ill

>jumping off a balcony isn't suicide
???

>>127023386
>uh no chud you dont understand xhe was looking at the moon and it was very very heckin wholesome!!!

>>127018718
Wow you're such a based epic hero. You must be so proud of yourself.

>>127017822 (OP)
NO MORE BROTHER TURNED SISTER WARS

>>127023386
Well originally the story was that she fell while trying to climb from the balcony to the roof, but that's looking more and more like cope now

>>127023361
>I don't think it was trans-related though
Then you're delusional lol

>>127023929
According to this 'she' wasn't even a tranny though

>>127018226
>sleeping with 18 year olds in her 30s
Oh no they obeyed the law!

>>127017822 (OP)
>and the toxic aesthetics of Gen Z’s Brat era
>looks up when Sophie was born
>1986
That’s a fucking millennial. What does gen z have to do with this shit!?!?

>>127024000
all gen zs artists are larping millenials

Will Annie apologize for recklessly spreading fake news?
>>127023973
Going "teehee i'm not actually a tranny!" despite living as though you are one for 99% of your waking life still makes you effectively a tranny with all the mental illness that entails

>>127024000
She means her fans are gen z

This is so bullshit and sounds like this person is just butthurt about something.

I'm the anon who said repeatedly in past threads you guys have been glossing over the thematics of her work cause you're too blinded by transphobia to discuss the art and that there's a darker, Bataillean side expressed in it, which it looks like I was spot on about, probably because I am comparably mentally ill (though in my case I've always stayed single through my 20s into my 30s, aside from hookups, precisely to avoid drawing others into my schizoautistic mess and junkie behaviour) - This is my read on the whole thing >>>/lgbt/40369998

>stops short of saying the fall was suicide
I really doubt it was considering how frequently these types of accidents happen. literally the number one cause of death for British people staying in the Mediterranean

>>127017822 (OP)
Doesn't matter since his music is soulless garbage slop anyway. I'm glad he's dead and I hope this literally who dies soon too.

grimesmade horrors beyond my comprehension

>>127025105
destroying her entire life as a humiliating yet hugely profitable performance art piece is kind of cool in itself and doesn't make me think less of her.
72 hour coke/estrogen benders in service of carefully subverting this degenerate culutral movement to promote your hyperreal popstar image. you're killing yourself in the most bizzare way possible and in the magazines its marketed to retarded teenagers as radiant liberation. even your death is painted over with a pretty story about how beautiful the moon was that night, so romantic!
this is something straight out of an absurdist short story collection like civilwarland or oblivion. what a life.

>>127022593
and yet it sounds like beethoven compared to "jane remover"

>>127022393
>>127019732
You can read the article carefully and see nonsense like the hashtag #Immaterialforblood or "She was high on cocaine and estrogen." And that's just what's on the surface

Why do men try to be women (which they're not)?

>>127025396
come now, the absolute worst of trooncore must be femtanyl. like sandpaper for the eardrums

>>127025345
Sophie may honestly be the world's first true absurdist artist.

>>127027533
you get it. this darker angle is so much more interesting/valuable than the the queer icon thing her life was passed off as.

I just can't imagine anybody taking estrogen for years for such outlandish reasons if it wasn't just a sex thing outright

>>127018351
>whole thing is a bunch of unverifiable claims with no substantiating evidence.
like transexuality

having read all this, it is nonsense. sophie was a boring art school student who took too many drugs, was gay and ashamed and the lgbt world gave him a way out. he trooned out because it gave him a shield and he jumped on PC music micro niche he read about because it was for art school bores who aren't good at art. drugs, gay and a broken mind.

>>127029209
>sophie was a boring art school student who took too many drugs, was gay and ashamed and the lgbt world gave him a way out. he trooned out because it gave him a shield
thats exactly what the article is claiming
>he jumped on PC music micro niche he read about
as far as i can tell, sophie invented, or at least pioneered the pc music sound. he was making futuristic, maximalist, polished music at a time when art school kids were still making fuzzy lofi chillwave and hazy chopped up beats

>Vince Staples — “Ima miss the homie. Rest in peace.”
Based

>>127017822 (OP)
this tranny is literally an infamous pathological liar

>>127028815
Some people think hormones are just something you can just stop taking and all their effects go away.
They literally say that if a child exhibits any behavior traditionally associated with the opposite sex they should immediately be put on puberty blockers just in case so they grow up without going through puberty, and if they turn out to be trans they get to take hormones and be a bit more passable, and if they turn out to be CIS, they stop taking the blockers and everything is hunky dory.
Obviously it's a lie, but a lot of people believe it and SOPHIE could've been one of these people.

>>127024000
the repeated use of "brat" in the article is literally nonsensical, it has no clear relation to anything. for fucks sake SOPHIE had already been dead for 3 years when Brat came out.

>>127031860
It's a typo, she really meant Borat, who's huge in queer culture

>s-she came from a wealthy background
>s-she had an identity that I didn't personally think was genuine enough
>s-she did drugs!!
none of this shit is even remotely as scandalous as presented. I never thought Sophie was the perfect human, I just like her music

>written by ChatGPT
Yikes

>>127032220
if any of the article is true she sounds like she wasn't particularly pleasant to be around but yeah. the transmedicalist garbage her ex is spouting is a total non issue. her wanting to be trans for her image is not even nearly on the same level of controversy as being physically abusive. saying she was a straight cis man is laughable too

>>127032390
>transmedicalist garbage
find jesus

>>127032326
What's her native language?
Maybe she wrote it in that and used AI to translate it

>>127029413
>as far as i can tell, sophie invented, or at least pioneered the pc music sound
Holy shit no the fuck he did not. You are so fucking clueless it's astounding. "futuristic, maximalist, polished music" existed for years prior with acts like Rustie before the tranny artfag mob co-opted it.

>>127031692
I doubt that shit wouldn't come up if you hang out with that many trannies and faggots

>>127031860
It's SEO

>>127033309
>as far as i can tell, sophie invented, or at least pioneered the pc music sound
You're thinking of Farrah Abraham.

Didn't know Sophie was so based

>>127033811
Everything that comes out about this dude just makes him seem like one of the most fully-lived artistic lives ever lived. This is the Lord Byron of trannies. I raise a rare glass to your kind.

>>127017822 (OP)
>https://medium.com/@tzefmontana_16073/the-true-story-behind-sophies-identity-fdc3f12b1137
yeah, no.
stopped reading that at
>"culturally urgent"

not doing playing that game anymore

I don't care what it says, I refuse to read an AI written article

So leftists ARE capable of making great art?

>>127034095
>This girl is the nastiest skank bitch I've ever met. Do not trust her. She is a fugly slut!!

>>127017822 (OP)
im fairly liberal but even i am starting to get alphabet people fatigued..

>>127033361
You act like they're not all fully deluded and into their own fantasies about how it all works

>>127018226
>sleeping with 18 year olds in her 30s and hiring desperate tranny hookers
giwtwm

>>127018226
>sleeping with 18 year olds in her 30s
>her 30s
Huh?
Do you mean he slept with 18 year-old females while he was in his 30s? That's pretty based.

>>127034892
It's a bit retarded when your audience is mostly hypervigilant zoomers

>>127034095
>calls tannies by their preferred pronouns
>thinks a gross tranny fag getting buttfucked is a cool "rockstar" thing to do and brags about it on their behalf
>is being completely sincere
I genuinely don't understand how you people found this place and think you fit in enough to post here instead of leaving right away. I know 4chan attracts a lot of losers, but I've never seen so many unironic extreme far left, tranny-ally fucking losers comfortably posting here without any pushback before.

>>127035596
The internet is fucked. Its baffling I know but yeah there's some real scumbag losers here. There's people praising that kpop demon hunter fucking show for 14 year old girls that's how bad it is now

>>127035596
4chan was always pro-tranny website until around 2015 dude it's first and foremost an imageboard for weeaboo nerds

>>127025105
When will she apologise for destroying an innocent autist's life & family?

>>127035596
4chan is becoming unusable now with all these leftist trannies posting here

>>127035596
are you actually mad 4chan isn't a hub of just nazis and incels anymore? like idk brother but 4chan is available for everybody and it's not some obscure thing. the people who come here already don't give a fuck about push back. i don't want to see some of the shit i see on here either but I'm still here, why? because i believe everybody has a right to their opinion no matter how retarded it is and there's nothing stopping me from replying. people out there think trans people are people and they come here too. it is what it is

>>127035717
/mu/ has always been known as having an infestation of /lgbt/ cancer. and in music, far-left agendas are forced and enforced in the industry. this has become so egregious that music itself has suffered, like in other creative industries. if you want to be a pathetic pozzed faggot on the side of the loser establishment, go right ahead amigo.

>>127035711
>>127036185
I remember this board having fucking tumblr blog sharing threads up until like 2014. election tourist retards like you do not own here, and your entitlement and shitposting is way more obnoxious than the rare times I see a genuine annoying tranny on here or whatever

>>127036283
>ummm, being a gay cancerous niggerfaggot that ruins everything xe touches has always been board culture, sweaty!
cope that people are telling you to fuck off for your abhorrent ideology that is objectively bad but being forced by the establishment.

>>127036342
>gay cancerous niggerfaggot
reread your post and tell me how this doesn't apply to you and that your posting isn't the most retarded shit itt

>>127036377
boo hoo nigga

>>127017822 (OP)
If this is somehow legit it makes her way more interesting to me and actually transgressive, unlike the average translop music that tries to pretend it is.

>>127035717
>people out there think trans people are people
Nobody thinks they're not people. We think they're a fucked up and rotten kind of people.

>>127036185
and what else do you want to hear? nazi shit like heil hitler? well go on. nobody's stopping you. I'm sure the general population is just as retarded as you and will jump on your dick immediately

>>127037457
i find them more pleasant than whatever the right wing spits out

>>127037718
>>127037730
If the only way you can defend trannies is by saying >at least they're not nazis, you know you're fucked up

>>127037730
like what?

>>127018226
>Did you miss the parts about sleeping with 18 year olds in her 30s and hiring desperate tranny hookers
anon he just called it a tranny in his post there's no need to repeat ourselves

>>127037851
and what are they supposed be? like are you implying nazis are better than trannies because what? retard. >>127038031
you're all retarded and you wonder why i said what i said

>>127038097
>trannies are fucked up
>theyre better than nazis
Like you can either be one of these two and nobody else exists

>>127018226
Damn, Sophie was BASED

>>127038154
that's not the point i made. you must be confusing me with somebody else

>>127038352
I linked two posts, one of them said nazis the other right wingers, but the point is the same
You're not saying trannies aren't fucked up, you're just saying that some other people are worse

>>127038097
>are you implying nazis are better than trannies
nta but i would definitely say that

>>127019732
this person has really mastered the longwinded brain-melting aislop style if it isn't, also why does it talk about the author in 3rd person

>>127037730
What the right wing says about troons is almost always true
https://youtube.com/shorts/rBXXhra2zCw
Thank you for self reporting and showing everyone what you're really like

>>127038596
they tried the same shit with gays and none of that was true

>>127017822 (OP)
why is this written in the third person?

>>127038623
It was always true

>>127038648
why is homosexuality not still criminalized then

>>127038623
>they tried the same shit
It was right wingers who wrote those books and decided to make a whole section for them?
It was right wingers who want to teach kids about LGBT shit to much that there's an entire market for these books?
This is all you bro.

>>127038650
Because of the widespread beliefs that enabled them to become so normalized in the first place
In countries where such beliefs haven't taken hold, homosexuality is indeed often criminalized.
And homosexuality on its own isn't as big a deal as pushing it to children and normalizing all the other crazy LGBT shit, but it's obvious to everyone who's not brainwashed that the slippery slope was real and that one thing would lead to the other, which is exactly what happened.

>>127017822 (OP)
Holy shit we all knew it!!! Though I don't believe he is dead. Bet you he is out there somewhere, perhaps spying for Mi6 in Cambodia or whatever. He one hundred percent faked his death.

>>127038650
>if something is legal it can't be bad
Smartest LGBT defender

>>127038955
Nah in this day and age they'd be spotted by now even with a change in appearance, smartphones exist and fans are crazy enough we'd even get false positives if there was anyone with even a similar bone structure. Plus the people who were with them at the time and their family are too torn up about it, and I refuse to believe these people are that smart and that good at acting, it's too structured compared to how chaotic we know reality is. Rich British idiot does another balconing or depressed victim of postmodernism commits suicide during a drug-fuelled psychosis are both quite a lot more believable than this conspiracy theory take.

>>127039402
Completely different haircut and color, glasses, different clothes, etc are surprisingly effective. If he wants to go back to male, a beard would make him even more undetectable.
Anyone who notices the similarity, takes a photo, and posts it online, would be met with "it's just a lookalike, stop photographing random people off the street".
If a famous person wanted to do this they likely wouldn't move to a big city where they'd risk running into their fans every day. They'd more likely go somewhere populated by a completely different demographic to minimize the likelihood of getting recognized.

>>127017822 (OP)
wtf i love grimes now?

>>127018248
this

>>127034892
What's the big fucking deal with infantilizing adults? If she's 18 and she's spreading her legs and gives me the thumbs up it's fair game. You zoomers are complete fucking retards who can't get a real job or move out of their parents house, but if you got laid you'd consider it

bump

Tzef is posting receipts for the domestic violence... it's ogre

jealous because she wasnt as popular as sophie and will never be. not to mention the fact that there is absolutely no proof of what she said happened

>>127018226
the pop star had sex with young, of-age people and hired a hooker? Someone call the fucking Inquirer man

what is to be gained by muckraking the dead?
Don't start saying shit about people that can no longer speak up for themselves

>>127017822 (OP)
Watching the moon is great.

>>127024073
What the fuck, did that guy really wrote about the incident in a song?

>>127019720
> I have friends who are trans and they're all normal and happy

Lmao you don't even know the half of it.

>>127024268
Bataille sucks and intellectualism is just religiosity with extra steps. The average intellectual is a massive faggot who accepts whatever their professor or reading group's interpretation of any given text is, in the same way evangelicals accept the pastor's word as gospel.

>>127044269
Can't remember whether this was Saint Vincent or Polachek but whichever it was funniest part they didn't even know SOPHIE personally

>>127017822 (OP)
Everyone in this thread is equally retarded

>>127044471
That is pure cringe. Why do people like st vincent

>>127017822 (OP)
Trannies are so fucking talentless lmfao. Sophie's music sounds like shit

>>127047330
They're the only ones who can make art apparently.

>>127047365
I believe Tzef, this dude made no effort to "transition," kept the same hairstyle and deep voice, and his music was performative and hollow. He died at a young age. Am I just supposed to think he's "lying" despite him literally being the closest person to Sophie? What reasons do Sophie fans have for disbelieving him?

>>127047388
You know very little about this subject. Sophie had lots of work done, voice trained, changed her hair over the years, and Tzef is a known drama queen, pathological liar and grifter in Greece who is known to exaggerate her stories, not only about Sophie but in general, and has always run her mouth about shit she's too dumb to understand, she's as unreliable a source as they come and at least as mentally ill as what she portrays Sophie as

>>127018226
I will never understand GenZ and Gen Alpha's obsession over the whole age gap thing. They act like even from 18 to 24 is too big of an age gap. When I remember when I was in high school pretty much all the girls I knew were dating college guys that were 26-27 while they were still 16. Not saying thats right or should be right or anything, but it just makes me wonder how in one generation after millennials everything shifted so drastically.

>>127019965
Bizarre reach