Thread 127022437

I've been listening to more classical music lately again and I kinda get the feeling that the drum kit's artistic potential has been exhausted. Drums are definitely extremely fun to play but I feel like they restrict the potential of the music to some extent. It's to the point where hearing a backbeat makes me roll my eyes. Should the drum set be done away with?

>>127022437 (OP)
The back beat is the purest form and most based beat there is fuck you.

>>127023463
It's just the exact same thing. Over, and over, and over, and over. It's satisfying, sure, but the snare is so prominent that it gets stifling.

Drums are cool

>>127023463
>>127022437 (OP)
SNARE FUCKING SUCKS

I seem to remember an autistic rant about how anything with drums is African nigger music was posted a while ago, did anyone screencap it

>>127022437 (OP)
Based OP, i have a sort of love-hate relationship, when it's really great and interesting i love it but most of the time and more and more often as i get older it feels like someone is beating me in the head with a hammer. The drumkit is also the least interesting type of percussion. It also kind of annoys me that the drumkit became pretty much obligatory in almost all music.

>>127024407
No but i remember it, it was funny and not entirely wrong.

>>127022437 (OP)
Absolutely based, OP. This isn't even about percussion = bad, because you can absolutely use percussion compositionally. But the drum kit, especially in its looped role in rock/pop, is artistically inert: it mostly just fills space instead of shaping it.
Imagine pop, rock, metal, electronic, etc., not being locked inside a constant, rigid drum pattern, but instead built on fluid rhythm, elastic pulse, and developmental logic. That alone would make the music much more expressive, dynamic, and narratively rich.
But normies can't tap their feet to that, so it's a non-starter.

Drums are definitely less necessary than the masses would have you believe. And I mentally check out any time I hear a drum solo.

>>127026801
True, the amount of beathing space there is in drumless music is astounding when you go from listening to music that has an ongoing drum beat to music that doesn't, lack of drums also makes you much more aware of the melody and harmony.

As far as percussion goes, just look at the variery of sounds and colors you have with idiophones and bells and wooden and metal percussion as oppose to the monotone dry rigid sound of the drumkit (and drumkit emulating electronic beats).

Fuck drums.

>>127022437 (OP)
>do drums make music worse

This is THE most retarded thing I’ve ever read on this board, without question. Holy fucking shit….

>>127022437 (OP)
People should just use washingboards as percussion like in the good ol days (also a big fan of mallet percussion)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=A1cUtxnDNO4&feature=shared
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nWhjYuCNZ2U&feature=shared

>>127028752
>mallet percussion
Marimbas are the best.

>>127022437 (OP)
All genres are improved by drums with the exception of ambient. Classical should use more drums.

>>127028585
The rockist/jazzer can't comprehend this.

>>127022437 (OP)
>I heard the piece Aphex Twin of Richard James carefully: I think it would be very helpful if he listens to my work "Song of the Youth," which is electronic music, and a young boy's voice singing with himself. Because he would then immediately stop with all these post-African repetitions, and he would look for changing tempi and changing rhythms, and he would not allow to repeat any rhythm if it [was] varied to some extent and if it did not have a direction in its sequence of variations

>>127026801
>but instead built on fluid rhythm, elastic pulse, and developmental logic.
Bill Bruford and John French already achieved this while using (mostly) standard drum kits

>>127023472
Listen to some soundgarden asap

blame boring drummers
listen to marcus gilmore

>>127028808
Nope, wrong. >>127026801 already put it eloquently, drums fucking suck.

>>127022437 (OP)
OP, your honky ass needs to really sit down and focus during this intro:
https://youtu.be/cE8A_NRt_PQ

>>127029747
You're not black.

>>127026801
Got any examples?

it's just the hi hat that ruins everything. snare kick floor tom and one cymbal no bigger than 16inch is acceptable. obviously no sticks you play with brushes or your hands in my ensemble.

>>127022437 (OP)
It depends on what type of music you're playing. If you added a guy doing blast beats to another guy playing Mozart, it would most likely not mix very well. But e.g. metal without drums looses so much of its punch. There are songs where the drumming is the standout feature, like the drumming on Bleed by Meshuggah.

imagine the Grudge with just a tambourine, timpani and bicycle horn.

>>127022437 (OP)
I beg to differ.

https://youtu.be/w8cz2bu30V8
https://youtu.be/1Z1z7oipqPc

>I've been listening to more classical music lately
stopped reading right there

>>127033489
>But e.g. metal without drums looses so much of its punch
And yet the greatest black metal release of all time is just guitar and bass.

>>127024364
I like a good tom rider. A lost art desu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hpEEKqdCDU

>>127033846
I listened to hundreds of black metal albums, and I have no idea what album you're talking about. I don't recall any classic BM record not utilizing a drum kit.

>>127024407
>>127026125
It would be an incredible recovery

>>127033952
It's not an album exactly:
https://youtu.be/ckNEXKKPW6w

>>127022437 (OP)
I think what ruined drumming is the 80s drum machines

this causes every drummer in modern music to simply try to play as robotic and without feeling as possible

but of course if you listen to some jazz, math rock, or post hardcore you'll find some really good expressive drumming

>>127034071
Killing Joke knew the score. They had one of the best drummers around....and still sounded from the future.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soDr07aKt_c

>>127034104
>around....and still sounded from the future
They jut aped Chic rhythm section

>>127034137
Even if that's true, what's wrong with that. Nile Rodgers all by himself influenced a shitload of the 80s.

>>127022437 (OP)
>I've been listening to more classical music lately
lol snob

>>127034059
lmao

>>127034252
It's more dramatic and emotionally intense than almost any other black metal.

>>127022437 (OP)
That's why SOPHIE took most of the drums out in her best arrangements and relied on pure rhythmic and timbral interplay rather than a didactic 4/4 kick

>>127026801
What do you think of the way Buzzcocks used drums? They have such frenetic compositions the drums become a continuous rattle in bursts and blend with the guitars to create a stream of unified sound that bounces, stretches and recoils in an organic-sounding movement that seems particular to power-pop
https://youtu.be/QH3eMCVtWHc?si=z3wJ_HIDoI3e8Qfj

>>127022437 (OP)
whats the album with the best drum you guys have ever heard

>>127035754
Picrel. But despite being a classic, it's a very inaccessible album, so I wouldn't recommend it to anybody who isn't deep into metal to begin with. Also while the drums on it are quite technical by technical death metal standards, it's far from the most technical drumming that's out there. For even more technical metal drumming you'd have to look into progressive metal, so e.g. something by Dream Theater or Tool, or djent like Meshuggah. And if you want something even more technical, I'd suggest getting into jazz.

>>127033999
There it is kek

>>127036097
Based.

>>127035754
my personal favourite is gospel's the moon is a dead world

>>127022437 (OP)
you have to listen to prog, then the drums will click..

>>127035381
name some songs

>>127033734
Why? Because you can't read?
>>127034206
lol insecure

>>127034059
You gotta be fucking kidding me, this is a joke, right?

>>127035754
It gotta be this one.

https://youtu.be/HrbHjKpRPlk

>>127035754
Japan - tin Drum

>>127035849
Im pretty much a death metal noob but I really like the drumming of this demo
https://youtu.be/A1mEa_rI8Vg?feature=shared

>>127035754
Trout Mask Replica.

>>127036097
>promised the ramblings of a schizo
>its actually quite reasonable

R u fucking retarted?! This thread made me wanna kms! HOW DOES ANYONE EVEN FAVOM ASKING SUCH RETARTED QUESTION OMG!!!

Listen to Eyeless without the drums and then come back

>>127022437 (OP)
Yes, I hate drums. It's for savage retards.

>>127035754
Sloan - One Chord to Another

>>127035754
The Cinematic Orchestra - Motion