Hot take: Joey Ramone is the single greatest melodist in all of rock music.

Ramones' early work is nothing but pure hooks, with all the usual bells and whistles completely absent, and they're still one of the best rock acts of all time.

>>127029071 (OP)
Excellent post. There's a reason why phil spector produced one of their best albums. Spector was also trying to teach the people who didn't understand the ramones with the end of the century album.

>>127029071 (OP)
still one of the funniest quotes.

>>127029250
Holy shit, he's right. I never noticed. Ramones has 0% blues influence. Explains why their music is so damn fun.

david bowie ripoffs

>>127029071 (OP)
joey didn't write the riffs

>>127029250
>>127029322
Rock n Roll High School is bluesy as fuck

>>127029400
That's not how you spell Beach Boys

>>127029400
Johnny said Zep inspired him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVkbPErAmXU

>>127029414
But he did come up with lots of vocal melodys tho

>>127029071 (OP)
I legit don't get the appeal of this album.
Every track sounds the same, like copy-paste with slightly different chords.
It’s just the same mid-tier melody looped over and over.
Most overrated album I've ever heard.

>>127032203
So you don't like their style. I get it, i have that with lots of artist. Love the Ramones tho, for some reason the sound just clicks for me. I still think that opening chord of Rock 'N Roll Highschool is fresh as fuck, after hearing it millions of times.

this is a real book lmao

>>127032203
It's not their best album, just the most influential

>>127031913
listen to hang on to yourself it's every ramones song down to the vocals

>>127029071 (OP)
time traveling screeching weasel rip-off

Nursery rhymes

>>127033288
Their discography is actually really varied if you start listening to stuff outside their first two albums.

>>127033329
Actually, no.
It's W-A-A-A-Y to BRITISH for The Ramones.
If you're going to compare Hang On To Yourself to ANY punk, then Bodies, by The Sex Pistols is a more apt comparison.

>>127032906
>The Heebee Geebees as CBGBs by Beeber....

>>127032203
Please go back to your Steely Dan or Prog Rock thread.
REAL Rock and Roll music isn't for puny little wimps like yourself.

>>127032073
Communication Breakdown is punk as fuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP2gfaL20Jk&list=RDpP2gfaL20Jk&start_radio=1

>>127032203
you have to dumb to like the ramones

>>127035517
Kinda, but they're really good nursery rhymes.

>>127037715
D-U-M-B!
EVERYONE'S ACCUSING ME!

>>127036902
The Ramones is music for middle schoolers lmao

I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend is the gold standard for love ballads by a rock band. It's so sweet and sincere, but still firmly a rock song with punch and momentum that's cohesive with the rest of the album. Why do so many rockers feel the need to unplug their guitar before declaring their love? Love ballads are usually the cringiest songs by later rock bands (see Patience by GnR), but I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend has aged like fine wine.

>>127038152
All popmusic is made for kids

>>127029071 (OP)
>the poppiest rock imaginable
>lumped into punk

I listened to alot of Ramones, mainly their first 4 albums and Too Tough To Die.
They are brilliant in a hacky way. They made songs that hit the spot but with a formula that was bound to become tiresome.

>>127036641
I agree, Animal Boy is one of my favourites

>>127039958
>>lumped into punk
What do you mean "lumped into"? Weren't they the original punk band? Has punk rock purity spiraling gone so far that even The Ramones aren't real punk anymore?

>>127039973
I love them, but they are kind of a one-trick-pony, but it just so happens to be a really good trick.

>>127041106
Zoomers don't accept the Ramones or the Sex Pistols as punk bands, I'm not joking

>>127039958
Punk IS Pop you retard

>>127042075
The one that was always questionable, which I kinda agree with, was The Clash. Good band and all, but Joe Strummer came from a cushy, middle-class background, and a lot of their music leans more into a refined new-wave sound rather than raw punk. However, if The Clash was never real punk, but Sex Pistols and Ramones are also now not real punk anymore, what the fuck is even left? Dead Kennedys? Obscure Nazi punk bands? Please don't tell me it's Green Day.

>>127029322
>Ramones has 0% blues influence
...how?

>>127042918
The Damned.

>>127042918
Real punk has never been tried.

>>127043060
It's hard for me to explain but blues has more of a swing to it while the Ramones are more straight on the beat. Someone pointed out earlier in the thread that Rock'n'Roll Highschool is fairly bluesy Ramones song. I get what Johnny was trying to do and why he said that.

>>127042918
The Stooges

>>127042918
Ramones and Sex Pistols are too chuddy for zoomers

>>127043964
Yes, the rhythmic feel is definitely different, and also they hardly ever seem to employ the blues scale or even the standard pentatonic scale. Their contemporaries like Zeppelin or Clapton would noodle endlessly on the same pentatonic licks over and over, so there's something really refreshing about how direct the Ramones are. Like someone else pointed out, their melodies are kinda like nursery rhymes, which really isn't a bad thing in my book. Their melodies have more in common with traditional, timeless folk tunes like Molly Malone, Wild Rover or Drunken Sailor than something like Johnny B. Goode or Crossroads.

>>127043964
>>127044341
Ramones literally just sounds like Chuck Berry. Meds now

>>127044359
Nah, dude. All you need to do is have Weird Al cover Beat On The Brat with an accordion to realize it sounds way more like a sea shanty than any blues tune.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_5v3T1XmkU

Compare I Wanna Be Sedated to Rock n' Roll High School, and you can really hear the difference between a more standard Ramones tune and one that's blatantly derived from Chuck Berry.

>>127032203
It taps into the human condition directly without a trace of pretentiousness. Beat On The Brat is about the inevitability of war, I Don't Wanna Go Down To The Basement is about the existential dread that follows us from cradle to grave, and Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue is about how drug abuse is born from a lack of purpose.

>>127044571
It's just fun pop music

>>127044571
>Beat On The Brat is about the inevitability of war, I Don't Wanna Go Down To The Basement is about the existential dread that follows us from cradle to grave, and Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue is about how drug abuse is born from a lack of purpose
Zzzz

>>127044590
Yes, it's boring when I say it, because I'm not Joey Ramone, hence my admiration of his uncanny ability to convey as much meaning as possible with as few and simple words as possible.

Ramones is on the short list of bands and artists where you are an actively uncool person if you don't like them, right between Tom Waits and King Crimson.

>>127029322
The heavy use of chord progressions based on I-IV-V major chords (blitzkrieg bop for example) is derived from blues though

>>127044742
No. If someone didn't like King Crimson, Tom Waits, or Ramones they could still be a cool person. If someone believed that you had to like those artists to be cool I would immediately peg them as being uncool. You have been found out.

>>127044814
It’s derived from folk music, which blues is a mutation of, just like country.

>>127044831
>No. If someone didn't like King Crimson, Tom Waits, or Ramones they could still be a cool person. If someone believed that you had to like those artists to be cool I would immediately peg them as being uncool. You have been found out.
t. uncool person

>>127044814
Blitzkrig Bob is admittedly one of their more bluesy hits, or at least the intro and verse. The chorus has more of a shanty feel to it.

>>127042918
The first two Clash albums are punk as fuck, but, admittedly, it's by the numbers punk, and there were other bands at the time who were better and could mop the floor with them.

Even Lemmy and John Lydon saw through the middle class pose of Joe Strummer, and bot thought the "Politics" were disingenuous and insincere, and Johnny Rotten was actually friends with Joe Strummer. (He still hated the pose, and their by the numbers music though)

zoomer punk isn't about music it's about being gay with dude dick and hanging out with wheelchair kids and shit

>>127032203
It's one of the greatest records in the history of music

>>127045844
>Even Lemmy and John Lydon saw through the middle class pose of Joe Strummer
And MES and Shane macgowan

Did they really stop talking to each other because of a girl? How did they even create and record music

Sheena is
A punk rocker
Sheena is
A punk rocker
Sheena is
A punk rocker noooooow

>>127046127
Joey got a new girlfriend soon after Johnny got with Linda. There were other reasons why they couldn't stand each other.
Funnily enough they remained loyal to each other and there were no shit talking between them unlike in other bands that broke up.

How long would they last if Johnny left the band instead of Tommy?

>>127048361
5 minutes, Johnny was the taskmaster that kept the others in line

>>127029250
>no blues influence
>I IV Vs ad infinitum
Shiggy

>>127046127
Sometimes tragedy brings out surprising positive results.
The KKK Took My Baby Away was Joey taking a swipe at Johnny for stealing his girlfriend.

>>127046856
No matter what bullshit was going on between the four members, they never lost sight of their main goal.
The Ramones treated the band like a business, and no matter what animosity they held towards each other, when it was time to record a new album, or play a concert, all differences were put aside, and the main focus was to play music.
Some of the best bands have operated on this model, especially Cream, and The Who.

>>127049701
I'm surprised he never tried to be the manager of the band.
Nobody ever crossed Johnny.
He'd have no qualms beating the shit out of anybody who crossed him, and did so quite frequently, especially when Dee Dee got out of hand. He was the glue that kept the band together.

>>127046106
MES?

>>127042918
Surprisingly enough, both Joey, and Johnny were fans of the early Clash.
Joey bought a cpy of the White Riot single at Bleeker Bob's Golden Oldies in 1977, listened to it, and the played it for the rest of the band, excited about the fact that English bands were now doing what The Ramones started back in 1974.
Johnny Ramone, of all people was a fan of the early Clash material, and even gave them a pass on their politics, just because he thought the music was so good. (They're British, so it's OK. I know British punk is supposed to be political anyway)

>>127049705
See >>127044992

>>127035503
Weasel is better in every way except the singer being a turbofaggot political npc

>>127049865
Ben Foster was always a jerk.
I knew them back n the 80s when they first started, and the band was called All Night Garage Sale.

>>127044992
>folk music
?
Folk music isn't an actual genre, and most country doesn't heavily rely on major I-IV-V

>>127029250
Aaand whatever respect I had for the Ramones is gone

>>127050204
>Aaand whatever respect I had for the Ramones is gone

>>127049761
Mark E. Smith, the Fall

>>127050204
>Aaand whatever respect I had for the Ramones is gone

>>127050204
>Aaand whatever respect I had for the Ramones is gone

>>127029250
Johnny was a prat for picking on Tina from Talking Heads and making Richie leave the band, but he was a stand-up guy for white music

>>127051705
Quick rundown? First time hearing about this

>>127051243
>>127051339
>>127051369
Gemmy

>>127049876
This checks out with my experiences.

>>127051726
Ramones aren't punk anymore because one of them thought or said something racist

>>127052826
>Ramones aren't punk anymore because one of them thought or said something racist
I know you're joking, but it annoys me more than it should that people think like this. It's such poser mentality. Punk is about irreverence, and today, being casual about making racially charged comments is about as irreverent as it gets. Maybe not on 4chan, but certainly in polite society. I'm not saying you have to be openly racist or hate niggers to be punk or anything, but if you're uptight and concerned with tone-policing others, you are a poser and a bitch, plain and simple.

I liked the degenerates until they became sanctimonious.

>>127050050
>Folk music isn't an actual genre
American folk music is.
>and most country doesn't heavily rely on major I-IV-V
I don’t know about modern country, but pre-1980 country music used I-IV-V progressions almost exclusively. I actually can’t think of one song that doesn’t.

>>127053325
I became ultra-racist as I got older through experience and am truly horrifying to the punk rock uniform wearing faggots that are everywhere today. These people lack self-awareness to a disturbing degree and are just conforming to a different set of rules (which also happen to be the default media opinions of today....curious).

>>127053502
They just like the aesthetic and pretense of rebellion, not rebellion itself. Not that it's really good to be ultra-racist as you say, though I get it. I sought out white nationalist and far-right rhetoric originally out of a sense of irreverence, being drawn to what I wasn't allowed to listen to, and it just so happened to turn out that they actually had a lot of facts to back up what they're saying. It's just that I don't hate anyone for their ethnicity, and I have no problem being friends with any person regardless of race, so I would not call myself racist. If there's anyone I have disdain for, it's fellow white people who are so buck-broken that they have a panic attack if you bring up crime statistics or dare be sceptical of the official Holocaust story. I have so much more love in my heart for someone like Malcolm X or Muhammad Ali than I do for someone like Aids Skrillex.

>>127053592
I hear you, Malcolm X's biography is in my top 10 books yet I'm also a big Dylan Roof fan.

>>127043983
trvke

>>127053798
I dunno, I think Dylan Roof may have gone too far in a few places. However, as a more recent example, Shiloh Hendrix. Now there is a woman I am 100% behind. The self-loathing, prostrating whites who condemn her, I wouldn't trade her for one hundred of them. She's not a musician, as far as I know, but this image is still as punk as it gets.

>>127051726
Ramones were touring with Talking Heads and Johnny would take Tina's stuff so that when she asked where it was he would dangle it in front of her and make her come get it. That was also the tour where he was smacking his gf around in public, shocking the hell out of the Talking Heads members.
Richie had been with the band for a couple of years and he asked for a small cut of the merch income as they were using his name in the logo and he felt like he was pulling his weight (upping the intensity, singing backing vocals, writing songs, etc.) and wanted to feel like a proper member. Johnny vetoed the whole thing and Richie left.

>>127049782
Interesting, I would have assumed Johnny thought the Clash sucked. My thought on the Clash is you had to be there, they aged the worst out of the original punk bands

>>127054015
Whatever happened to her?

>>127029400
David Bowie had a very different music style, anon.

>>127054740
YIKR?
I think Johnny heard what The Clash were trying to do musically, and liked the intensity and energy, even if he didn't agree with the political sentiment expressed in their songs.
You're definitely right about their music aging like milk, though.
You don't need anything after Give 'em Enough Rope, I M H O.

>>127056860
She raised nearly a millon dollars and started a new life with a new identity I believe, after leaving us with a pretty good speech that received way less attention than it deserved. It feels like the media has memory-holed the entire thing, since it was such a major blow to the white guilt industrial complex and they were losing the narrative, but maybe it's better this way, since Shiloh and her family will at the very least be safe in anonymity. She stood her ground, made her mark, inspired millions, took the money, and left the building. Shiloh won.

>>127045981
in the history of something maybe, but not music

Common symptoms that you are dead on the inside:
>You never enjoy the view of a beautiful sunset.
>You never take the time to pet a cat or a dog.
>You don't like Ramones.

>>127029071 (OP)
white riot clears everything they ever put out

>>127038152
CORRECT

>>127043951
That's because it only works in theory

>>127060468
Damn, she won in the end. Nice.

>>127060683
Then why are they in my grand kid's American Music History books?

>>127029250
Why was he so based?