Thread 127033759

Jazz Radio Charts: https://www.jazzweek.com/charts/

Scaruffi top 100 Jazz albums: https://www.scaruffi.com/jazz/best100.html

Previous thread: >>126899895

Previous threads archive (starting at the earliest): https://desuarchive.org/mu/search/subject/jazz%20general/page/23/

Last thread hit the bump limit I think

First thread with Jazz General in the title: https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/28130059/

First thread specifically called /jazz/: https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/45611916/#45611916

as far as I know first jazz general to actually link the previous thread (mustve been taboo back then): https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/45990964/

First post titled /jazz/ to do that: https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/114000726/

I found out desuarchive only goes back to 2012 and found an archive that goes back further but there aren't any jazz generals in /mu/ here https://old.sage.moe/mu/search/subject/jazz/page/7/

>>127033912
For an adjacent general you should look through the old /blindfold/ threads. I really miss those

>Randy?
>Yeah Mike?
>have you seen my fusion helmet?
>Your what?
>yknow man the helmet I wear to keep the vibes from melting my brain. The helmet?
>uh idk man maybe you left it in japan? Hurry up we gotta go shoot this album cover cmon
>alright well we can stop at Party City on the way
>what? No dude we gotta go we don't have time
>....randy can I ask you something?
>is it 'are we ever going to get to the studio for the shoot?
>do you think I'm some sort of fucking loser?
>what? What're you talk-
>do you think I'm some sort of brain cracked doped up fool? Do I have a dent in my fucking head? No? Then why are you treating me like one? Did I do something to piss you off? Is it about Cheryl? Listen man she came on to me, and you hiding my helmet because you're mad I wrecked her and left her wet and winded, doesn't mean you hide my fucking helmet! That's fucked up man!
>....you're right. I'm sorry man. Your helmets in the trunk let's get to the studio. I love you bro.
>I love you too man.

>>127034038
summary of older jazz threads on mu:
miles davis, john coltrane, the list might go on

>>127034710
When you're at the point where you're writing fanfic about Randy and Michael Brecker, it's probably time to go outside.

>>127035051
and then jazzthreadguy effortposting charts and shit
That guy is responsible for getting me into modern players

>>127035257
I was at work. They paid me to do it! Then they paid me to listen to this, but jokes on them, I would've done it for free!

>>127037510
>Br*tish
>album cover is not a picture of the performer(s)
Oh yeah, you just know it's got to be some unlistenable dogshit.

>>127037540
Best yet. It's really good.

British jazz in the 60s seems to have suffered from the influence of American jazz in that if British jazz players tried to ape Monk or Mingus, it's just so obvious. But, at the same time the alternative was even worse.

I finished my composition, it's a daft little thing really but it works for a couple of minutes or so. I'm not sure what to practice at the moment. The diatonic chords of the whole tone scale are?

>>127037581
Technically it only has one chord.

>>127037632
Presumably yes.

Ya think if you were blindfolded and shown an album from a guy you've listened to before but not this album, would you recognize them from style

>>127037568
who are the discount redcoat mingus and monks

>>127038640
Mostly yes.

>>127038645
I'm not saying.

>>127038640
Derek Bailey I probably would get.

>>127038640
Reaching the point where I could easily recognize players just by ear was one of the most rewarding moments I've experienced as a jazz fan

I understand that Japanese music is popular because of anime and games. But what's the deal with Japanese jazz becoming popular? It's so crazy that I, a Brazilian monkey, have a friend who's into jazz. But he refuses to listen to Brazilian Jazz, but loves some algorithmic-core Jazz music. But Otaku Jazz fans aren't even listening to the classics. Nigga doesn't know Love Supreme or Giant Steps

>>127038818
Probably anime and games in this instance too. The only good Japanese cats live(d) and work(ed) in the US by the way.

>>127038839
I go to him to open his mind and see that Swing is in a lot of local popular music. But he comes back with more algorithmic core music. Now I feel like a boomer yelling at the clouds, even though I'm promoting popular slop.

>>127038818
>he refuses to listen to Brazilian Jazz
absolute vira-lata
BR jazz is some of the best in the world, and I'm not even taking bossa-nova into account
Taking the chance to rec a few songs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bGtIQ_fVrM&ab_channel=MoacirSantos-Topic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDTlzk9VVqg&ab_channel=Songs%27ForSoul

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvTG2J371UM&ab_channel=Tunico-Topic

>>127038640
ive never heard this >>127036019 album but i think i could recognize 3 of the players from their playing alone

>>127038818
You already answered yourself
>I understand that Japanese music is popular because of anime and games

>>127038640
>blindfolded and shown

Is this a trick question?

>>127039152
>le witty remark ;)

>>127039384
Thanks for the upvote.

>>127036019
ive spent a lot of time listening to "our man in paris" where he plays like hes almost possesed at times and mr pc + philly joe jones are some of my favorites so this just ends up being almost a huge dissapointment for me because i expect way too much from this. i have to be fair and call it "good" tho, its atleast "good" by any sane definition

>>127038818
I'm not exposed to japanese jazz aside from that red album cover everyone knows, which was just some ok hard bop. Can't really speak on it otherwise besides assuming the american stuff is better. I do think japanese folk jazz fusion would be interesting
>>127039128
I would add that I don't really see the problem with this

I want to play drums

Been listening to funky New Orleans jazz with Johnny Dodds
https://youtu.be/OYyiwMY3MFE?si=QqvWYy__fRKrHzJM

>>127038684
Are they piano players? Horns?

>>127038640
For the guys I listen to a lot, yes. Telling Trane apart from Rollins is fucking easy. But I don't listen to, let's say, Mobley or Henderson that often for example, so guys like that I'd struggle with.

>>127038818
>algorithmic-core Jazz music
Not music
>>127038926
>Moacir Santos
Based, he's fucking fantastic

>>127040001
There wouldn't be a problem if weebs and gamers weren't disproportionately such ignorant and insufferable spazzes.

>>127040784
Play a real instrument instead.

>>127039951
More trombone. I recommend Grachan Moncur III personally.

>>127038818
Japanese jazz became popular because Japanese media in general is popular. It's just easy for people who only watch Asian cartoons or only play Asian games to find music that is also Asian, especially if most of what you consume is localized to one country, i.e. Japan. Japanese jazz by most metrics is usually good, by the way. You just have a ton of obviously ignorant morons aged 15-24 who know very little about the history of jazz and just say the most retardedly batshit things because algo-core reasons or whatever. And if they're really bad, like your friend seems to be, they only like Jap Jazz because it serves as an extra fashion accessory to their decades of Jap media consumption addiction. The fact that Japanese Jazz is "jazzy" is incidental to the fact that it's "Japanese", which is the real selling point to them.

behold
the supreme jazz instrument

>>127042482
nta but you don't belong in /jazz/ if you can't into drums

>>127042514
*the supreme smooth jazz instrument

>>127042514
BASED. It's actually quite popular where you and i live.

>>127042542
I can when it's not some time keeping bullshit and it's actually creative.

>>127042514
Insufferable sound, literally only sounds decent in slow tempo ballads and that makes it the perfect candidate for derivative smooth shit

Trumpet is way more obnoxious than soprano sax though and you all love that shit.

>>127042621
I don't find soprano sax obnoxious, just dull and lifeless

For me it's the flute
Any album recs?

>>127042728
https://youtu.be/WNWjaQNurOI

https://youtu.be/RuTXwv8yofM

>>127042728
Jasmine Myra

>>127042728
Jasmine Myra

>>127042624
how is this dull and lifeless?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqpriUFsMQQ&ab_channel=JohnColtrane-Topic

>>127042802
Well for one thing it would have sounded way fucking better on a tenor or alto.

>>127042802
Literally the only track sopranofags can list, it's embarrassing.

>>127042861
Beat me to it, kek

>>127042728
The guitar of wind instruments to be honest.

>>127042755
>>127042801
Thank you, fellas
>>127042992
You know NUTHIN, boy. But for real, used to think that jazz guitar was whack as fuck, turns out it was just me listening to boring players, same with the flute. Been fluting for about three years now.

>>127042728
Yusef's 1984 was really good even if the first track was pretty psychedelic
Also frank wess
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzddq4cluMn8jnUjWEcOlkkk3IlVfMPcF&si=sU3pZ1L0p1eWxazi

https://youtu.be/4wP-85Nv3U0?si=0M2zZDeIOmZFxl_Q

Some thrash jazz metal recs?

>>127042624
>>127042607
/mu/ users truly are subhuman

>>127038640
newfags don't even know about the /blindfold/ tests

>>127038640
Some for sure, others probably not.

>>127043738
>>127044288
Painkiller is the only thing close to that.

>>127044436
I think Zorn's heaviness goes far beyond what thrash metal typically does.

>>127044448
I agree, but that's the closest thing to what anon asked for that i could think of.

There's also a norwegian black metal band called Shining that uses tenor sax, maybe try that too.

Give me some albums/comps of ballads

God she's so hot it's unfair

>>127042802
coltrane's different, he had sovl

>>127043889
you know how they say in prison movies that you have to assert your dominance by punching out the biggest guy in the jail? On /mu/ you have to assert your dominance by posting the most contrarian takes on the board.

>>127044915
The fact that it's been 5 hours and you haven't gotten the perfunctory Coltrane rec speaks volumes about this board desu
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lELmp3lItqC6VDTGJLkvFuFBidfOH_WrQ&si=FNOoAVGUNYGEoqRm

>>127046252
disliking tenor sax or piano would be contrarian, soprano sax is not important in anything except smooth and fusion

>>127047978
>*ly

Really liking this curtis fuller album any other good trombone recs?

>>127047759
>Coltranefag confused that people here listen to stuff beyond his basic bitch entry level taste

>>127042514
Only when it's played by Sidney Bechet

>>127048841
>literally not a single other person gives them a rec on this ossifying board
Yeah man you're all out there listening to such niche stuff it's a real meeting of the minds here it's like the legion of doom it's a regular 5 spot.
Horse's ass.

>>127042607
>>127042624
>>127042811
>>127042861
absolute retards
soprano sax is a vital instrument in Spiritual Jazz, Post-Bop, Third-Stream, Latin and Brazilian Jazz, Fusion, and Free Jazz
you have to be completely devoid of taste not to appreciate it
just because kenny g plays it, doesn't make it a shitty instrument

>>127049919
It's the second worst woodwind instrument after flute thoughbeit. Ain't never been a recording that's been improved by the presence of a soprano sax.

>>127049924
the flute is god tier, though
are you autistic per chance? it would explain your aversion to high sounds

>>127049924
give me some jazz piccolo, friend

>>127049924
t. never listened to Pharoah Sanders, John Coltrane, Roland Kirk, Wayne Shorter, Archie Shepp, Sonny Rollins, Sam Rivers, the list goes on

>>127049995
Pharoah Sanders plays some on Don Cherry's "Symphony for Improvisers" (1966), utterly awful playing and amounts to nothing more than a glorified sound effect of course.
>>127049967
Actually it's more that jazz niggas are almost never actually good at flute so you end up with stilted phrasing and a much too breathy timbre. Also, quite often if the tempi is too high the phrases blur together too much, again due to the average jazz flautist's awful technique.

>>127050057
that might be the case for most flute players in jazz - most of them barely have the flute as a main instrument - but there are some exceptions that I'm very fond of. Dolphy and Kirk being two of them
but personally, I prefer the flute in Bossa Nova and Chorinho. It just sounds so much better

>>127050024
As far as I know Rollins only tried soprano once, on a nice version of Poinciana. All I could think of while listening to it was "he's so good but holy shit I wish he was playing this on tenor instead"

>>127042514
based
I got hooked on the soprano when listening to Jethro Tull's A Passion Play

>>127050501
guess what this shit has? soprano sax and multiple flute players playing all kinds of flutes

>>127042514
New villain of the week kek

Still on my Herbie Hancock journey. So far, "The Prisoner" is the worst of Herbie's good albums; the playing is good, but it feels less focused than his previous albums and at times it gets repetitive. Still, not a bad album by any means, but it could've been better.

i never met a herbie hancock album that i didnt enjoy on some level

>>127049919
>Brazilian Jazz
absolutely basão

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MinT8wGxNx4&ab_channel=EduardoNeves-Topic

>>127047978
>mindless solo improvisation
but we don't really like fusion all that much around here

>>127050057
agreed with jazz flute often sounding like ass. i feel the same way about a lot of prog rock guys who pick up saxophone, the breathing technique is usually dogshit so it all sounds clunky and clumsy. soft machine's third is a prime example

>>127044436
painkiller is great

>>127047759
I get the impression /jazz/ doesn't like mentioning the obvious figures too much because it damages their reputation somehow
>>127049709
last thread had more recs

>>127050637
Based, I even love his less popular experiments of the 80s

>>127052131
>/jazz/ doesn't like mentioning the obvious figures too much
meanwhile 90% of /prog/ is just endlessly talking about fripp and king crimson

>>127047759
Anon in the previous thread said that Coltrane's best late period work wasn't released during his lifetime, and I have to agree. It's insane to think that he settled for putting out relatively conventional albums like Quartet Plays and Kulu Se Mama when he had Transition, Living Space and Sun Ship in the can. Maybe Impulse wanted fans to have a palate cleanser in between the big ambitious experiments.

>>127042283
aces!

>>127042728
Bobbie Humphrey - blacks and blues

>>127052131
>/jazz/ doesn't like mentioning obvious figures
>OP post contains mccoy tyner

>>127050501
>thing, japan

>>127052689
ya know what I mean though. The really big guys normies know about

>>127052973
>thing, japan

Claim a Hot Fives or Hot Sevens record

>>127052991
>Louis Armstrong
>Duke Ellington
>Monk
>Miles
>Mingus
>Trane
>Bill Evans
>Dave Brubeck
>Keith Jarrett
>Ella Fitzgerald
>Billie Holiday
>Nina Simone
>Maybe Buddy Rich but he's seriously overrated flashy slop
Did I miss anyone?

>>127053302
I'd say Nat King Cole is up at that level of fame too.

>>127053368
Probably correct, I guess you just don't see him mentioned ever by all the zoom-zoom tourists

>>127053302
chet baker

Back when album covers had SOVL

>>127053453
Yup, good call, I missed him

>>127053302
Like a retard I forgot Bird and Wes Montgomery

>>127050219
>As far as I know Rollins only tried soprano once, on a nice version of Poinciana
Which one, Ahmad Jamal? Mccoy Tyner? Lou Donaldson?

What is polymodal?
https://youtu.be/tGxgeuJoCxY?si=AuzJ-qtDTV_tbrls

>>127048174
>>127042493

>>127054635
Combining two or more modes sharing the same tonic, resulting in a form of free pseudo-atonality.

it's peak

>>127055260
I didn't care for the Beatles or Michael Jackson covers but most of the album is based. It has my favorite version of Outubro, Wings for the Thought Bird is charismatically acrobatic, and the Paul Simon song is pure fucking soul.

Any Alabaster Deplume fans in the house? I've been meaning to listen to his new thing but i have to be in a mood

>>127056204
I've heard a couple of his albums and just thought they were ok.

Dexter Gordon is so kino

Coltrane made some of my favorite albums, but they all looked like shit
not a single good album cover, the man had no swag

>>127033759 (OP)
I bought a new tenor :) I bought a silver played yanagisawa. Excited

>>127056919
not wrong
trane was the closest humanity had to a divine angelic being (ok maybe tied with bach) but the man had no style

>>127057491
Coltrane is in the rare company of artists who are venerated as saints after death. Him and the dude who wrote the hunchback of notre dame are all I can think of.

>>127057924
Trane had enough pure inspired sovl to make even the most hardened atheist second guess his convictions.

I will concede, these are some pretty cool sounds. Especially bob brookmeyer he comes through vvv nice on flamingo

>>127059458
Do people actually listen to coolslop?

>>127057491
look at him lol

How to understand jazz? Just started listening to it, it's pretty random or too backgroundy music music to me will it click after repeated listening?

>>127060265
Start by learning the common forms.

>>127060332
Gimme some link pls. So i can't just keep listening to it untill it just sounds good?

>>127053238
St. James Infirmary

>>127060410
>Gimme some link pls.
https://ethaniverson.com/deepening-your-relationship-to-musical-theatre/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-two-bar_form
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhythm_changes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-bar_blues
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteen-bar_blues
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_form
https://medium.com/@paul_33243/the-five-forms-c066779044ae
>So i can't just keep listening to it untill it just sounds good?
Sure you can, but it's much easier to appreciate if you know what to listen for.

>>127057491
>maybe tied with bach
you've misspelled Milton Nascimento

>>127059514
>coolslop
You niggers need to stop making up words

>>127060265
listen to more jazz, try to sing along with the horn line and it will click much faster, the more you actively try to engage with it the faster you will get it. dance a bit

>>127057471
take pics when it arrives anon, that sounds cool

>>127061661
he's up there too, dude's a fucking prolific legend. i'm still pissed at what those faggot grammys did to him

>>127056866
Amazing album, I was addicted to it when I first discovered it

>>127060265
There's no lifehack, it's just something you can only come to understand through time and exposure. Jazz uses a very different "language" or "vocabulary" compared to the dominant harmonies and tonality of pop/rock, so it's very similar to learning a foreign language for the first time. I have no idea what subgenres you've been listening to but stick to the simple and accessible stuff like swing, big band and vocal jazz. Anything with "bop" in it risks being too complicated for newbies, even if those styles are associated with golden age jazz. Some fusion is good too if you're a rock/metal guy.

>>127033759 (OP)
Redpill me on McCoy Tyner solo albums, just listened to pic related and I haven't felt this energized in months

>>127060265
If you feel naturally attracted to it you'll keep listening to it out of curiosity. If you are not enjoying it at all why even force yourself to "understand" it? Just to gain cool internet points? Just drop it and listen to something else.

>>127062839
he's the greatest jazz pianist of all time
his 70s albums are the greatest Spiritual Jazz has to offer

>>127062839
His run from 67 to about 77 is ridiculously consistently great.

>>127062839
I can't stand those cheesy albums he made with string arrangements, but his live records are pure adrenaline

>>127062917
when I first got into jazz I was in a phase where I'd discover new genres, gradually come to enjoy them over time, and then id have a new genre to listen to. Maybe he wants to broaden his taste for the potential of personal satisfaction, eventually leading him to even more

>>127063523
nta but if he simply can't into jazz for whatever reason then there are other genres that can help him broaden his views

>>127063576
he said he just started listening to it so I get the impression he listened to like 1-4 albums

>>127063589
thats also very possible, i've just seen guys who write near identical stuff and they've heard anywhere from 20 to 50 albums

>>127060265
build your way to it
I was really into prog and classic rock, so getting into jazz fusion and the canterbury scene helped pave my way into other jazz subgenres
still there are tons of stuff I'm not crazy about
I love third stream, but hate swing and bebop, for instance

>>127063713
>hates swing and bebop

>>127063745
it's just too silly for me

>>127062990
>>127063006
Okay thanks, sounds amazing, I'm gonna start with pic related since it's his first Blue Note album I think and it's also from 67
>>127063298
What are his other best live records?

>>127063761
>prog fan calling anything else silly

>>127048956
Wow, finally, someone who actually likes jazz ITT.

>>127049919
>Spiritual Jazz
Wrong.
>Post-Bop
Wrong.
>Third-Stream
Unfortunately correct.
>Latin and Brazilian Jazz
Wrong.
>Fusion
Correct.
>Free Jazz
Mostly wrong, tenor and alto players were consistently the vanguards of free-forms and free-rhythms.

This zoomer nigga is singlehandedly continuing the legacy of Trane and Pharoah.

>>127037540
bad take

>>127063915
he's a lot better than kamasi but he doesn't have hip hop connections so doofus hipster tourists will never acknowledge him as much

>>127063950
Kamasi thinks he's the next Pharoah but he's really just psychedelic Kenny G.

>>127063969
Pretty much

>>127063886
listen to more music

>>127064038
get more arguments

>>127064059
what do you want? for me to list every quintessential artist of these respective styles who played the Soprano Sax?

>>127064647
top 10 soprano led albums 1947 to 1969? any genre remotely related to jazz or black american music is fine

>>127064697
i dont hold the idea that soprano is inherently shit, im just genuinely curious. i wont hold anything against you no matter what albums you come up with, i just hope i will end up listening to something interesting or really good

>>127064647
yes

>>127033759 (OP)
is that Laurence Fishburne?

>>127063915
>>127063950
They are both fucking garbage just like Pharoah Sanders and late Coltrane.

>>127064855
late coltrane is some of the only really free shit that i actually enjoy

>>127064855
stay filtered, crusty dusty

>>127064697
>to 1969
funny that you've picked that year, since a huge portion of the great soprano albums are from the 70s, but:

My Favorite Things - John Coltrane
Olé Coltrane - John Coltrane
Om - John Coltrane
In a Silent Way - Miles Davis
Bitches Brew - Miles Davis
Soprano Sax - Steve Lacy
Contours - Sam Rivers
3 Compositions of New Jazz - Anthony Braxton
The Jazz Composer's Orchestra - The Jazz Composer's Orchestra
Volume Two - Soft Machine

>>127065113
now, if you are open to other decades, I'd strongly recommend:

Slaves Mass - Hermeto Pascoal
Cérebro magnético - Hermeto Pascoal
Native Dancer - Wayne Shorter
Moto Grosso Feio - Wayne Shorter
Odyssey of Iska - Wayne Shorter
Third - Soft Machine
Fourth - Soft Machine
Wisdom Through Music - Pharoah Sanders
Village of the Pharoahs - Pharoah Sanders
Love in Us All - Pharoah Sanders
Crystals - Sam Rivers
Involution - Sam Rivers
Journey in Satchidananda - Alice Coltrane
World Galaxy - Alice Coltrane
Mister Magic - Grover Washington Jr.
Feels So Good - Grover Washington Jr.
A Secret Place - Grover Washington Jr.
Renaissance - Branford Marsalis
the list goes on...

>>127053302
buddy rich is the greatest drum technician of all time
this isnt a controversial opinion

>>127065113
theres like 2 and a half minutes of soprano sax on "contours", a roughly 50 minute album (with the alternate take of "meliflous cacophony")

>>127065243
it is if you listen to and like jazz

>>127064855
bait used to mean something.

>>127063886
>Latin and Brazilian Jazz
>Wrong.
You're the one who's wrong here.

Post actual patrician japanese jazz artists NOW!!

>>127066989
https://youtu.be/NY46OuNuVaM?si=W45rmp36NvIJmeYY

>>127056866
listened to this and I am here to report [spoiler]it is indeed good[/spoiler]

>>127065243
more like buddy impoverished

>>127066989
please share anything you learn with the thread

>>127033759 (OP)
yo bitches

Some like it hot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rigJOl_XHxU

>>127068840
based

>>127033764
This one might, too

>>127070114
it prolly won't tho

It's like those pictures of the twin towers with planes in the shot. And just like 9/11 the real culprit got away with it.

morning bump

>>127062917
Yes, i want to listen to jazz to broaden my taste and because i enjoy some of it, also it could give me new perspective on music and playing guitar.
In short, i just feel like listening to jazz, not everything is about cool internet points.

the piano solo on confirmation has some good bounce to it

>>127072908
>not everything is about cool internet points.
Unfortunately many /mu/tants are the biggest believers in cool internet points

>>127072908
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EQVDEulNJQ

>>127072908
Here, since you like guitar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxTD1XQTcyk

Harlan Ellison on Jazz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YREQ83CfnyE

>>127073474
Harlan was a real one. He had great taste in radio serials as well.

>>127073429
if you want someone to be like wes montgomery then you shouldnt have them listen to wes montgomery

>>127072908
Grant Green - Idle Moments

>>127073817
>Grant Green - Idle Moments
This is the one i actually dowloaded years ago, had it on my ipod and listened to once, will listen to that first!

>>127073429
>>127073398
Thanks guys vm, will listen to that too.

>>127073356
I'm 30 so that's maybe why i don't care anymore, hope not.

>>127072908
https://youtu.be/jtLV2-ZUUSI

>>127074813
You're just determined to make this hard for him, ain't ya?

>>127072908
>>127075242
maybe he gets completely fascinated by it like i did. start with this one, its just one man with a piano playing old songs in the way he likes to play them. much easier to grasp than 4 dudes playing at the same time doing all kinds of stuff you might not have heard before. dont think i would have gotten into jazz if it wasnt for monk

I feel like Monk was a brilliant composer but his improvisations don't do it for me. Songs for this feel?

>>127076050
he very rarely actually improvised when playing

>>127076415
guess that's why i find him kinda boring. did he originally play guitar or something?

>>127076779
must be the case

Stop samefagging.

This album is so great, there's even a tuba solo in it.

>>127077045
suck my fucking dick you piece of shit

>>127077045
stop being your unique self

>>127077058
>Arthur Blythe
Never heard of this man, but I looked up this album and it says Jack DeJohnette is in it so I'm definitely gonna check it out. BTW, check out picrel if you want more tuba solos.

>>127077292
Nice, glad i could introduce him to you!

>>127077292
mid album, no wonder they were in no rush to release it

>Love jazz guitar
>Love old country music
>Figure I'll really like this album
>Turns out it's just okay

Feels like a missed opportunity, I think it would have been much better if they had chosen all then-contemporary country hits like "I Can't Stop Loving You" rather than the ancient cowboy/western fare that makes up the rest of the album. Hard to tell if Grant's heart was really in it, either. It could have been the jazz world's answer to Ray Charles' "Modern Sounds in Country & Western Music", but instead it's just a minor footnote in Green's career.

Where's my beloved anti-guitar schizo when you need him.

>>127078490
He seethed himself to death, sorry

>>127078365
Sonny Rollins did it first and better with Way Out West. Not a guitar album but still.

The 1960s was horrible for jazz.

>>127078569
yep, this one will get us to bump limit

>>127078536
this

>>127077058
>>127073286
jazz artists love putting their instruments on the cover
that's not as common with other music genres
funny

>>127078569
it was amazing for jazz, it was just terrible for jazz's legacy

WHAT TIME IS IT?

>>127078792
sorry, can't tell, on my lunch break

>>127078777
>that's not as common with other music genres

this is not a guitar porn thread, fuck off tourist faggot

>>127078777
>instruments on the cover
>that's not as common with other music genres

>>127078778
it was horrible for both

>>127078792
NATION TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it's peak

>>127078792
how is this album labeled as free jazz? aside from a loose solo or two, it sounds more like post-bop than anything

>>127078977
>free jazz
hello fellow tourist! have you heard ryo fukui's scenery yet?

bebop jazz has no concept of space, they just spam notes

>bebop
>hard bop
>post bop
can someone help me clarify these concepts? I'm having a hard time identifying which genre is which

>>127079042
it's all the same, they're just marketing terms

>>127078991
Sounds way more funk jazz than anything really.

>>127078977
The Alan Silva stuff mogs.

i like this song + this performance of it https://youtu.be/yPVwEEJF4pU

>>127078977
baby’s first free jazz

>>127078792
For me it’s Underground Railroad

>>127078977
someone posted an album a couple of months back where they play free jazz in the woods on random shit theyve found and its quite the vibe, especially if you spent a lot of time playing in the woods as a kid

>>127078996
free jazz is like the ultimate tourist filter tho
filters rockists
filters purists
filters weebs
filters normies

>>127080227
ever wonder why so many people get filtered by it?

There are so many fake jazz genres it's crazy.

>>127080277
spiritual is the only fake one. just about everything else is useful, even meme shit like ECM

>>127080227
Absolutely.

>>127078977
Brötzmann is good, one of few Euro free jazz players that actually knew how to play. This record however, is not particularly.

>>127079052
>just

>>127081685
what are your definitions then?

Fuck yeah

https://youtu.be/Hf_I6-AYoMI?si=AtrWUHowjhjw6mnW

Scaruffi doesn't know what the fuKKK he's talking about. Stop including that fake and fraud in your general if you intend to be taken at all seriously on this board.

>>127083553
Post a better jazz critic, I'll wait...

>>127084710
Max Harrison

>>127084710
Dan Morgenstern

>>127084710
Ira Gitler

>>127084710
Me

>he needs jazz critics in his life
That's really pathetic. Most of you seem like absolute posers obsessed with the image of liking rather than being actual jazz listeners.

>>127084710
Ethan Iverson, Ted Gioia, Ashley Kahn. Those three are all very well known, new guy. I like Scaruffi but he writes vague and generic descriptions like Wikipedia but fancier, these guys can actually describe music interestingly to people.

>>127085163
>needs

>>127085217
Oh excuse me. Apparently it's all purely coincidental.

>>127079996
Sounds based, anyone remember it?

>>127085225
You will never know how to read and you will never fit in.

>>127085286
insults are only fallacies when integrated into a premise, retard. cope.

>>127085305

>>127085163
>>127085217
>>127085225
>>127085267

>>127085163
You really offended >>127085217
>>127085267
>>127085305
so it must be true

>>127082924
Good shit, shame about the audio quality.
>>127083553
I like him but he's far from being an expert in jazz just because he gives high scores to all the usual suspects.
>>127084710
There are dozens more, /mu/tant faggot. Stop being 18.

>>127085350
>shame about the audio quality

I don't know the audio source for the youtube, but I recently purchased a Japanese cd reissue of the album and was surprised to hear that it's clearly a needledrop. Master tapes must be lost or something.

>>127084735
>>127084749
>>127084761
>>127085166
The list goes on!

>>127085241
https://www.discogs.com/release/1767915-Br%C3%B6tzmann-Bennink-Schwarzwaldfahrt

its this one but i cant find it on youtube right now

>>127085465
Thanks, torrenting it as we speak

>>127033759 (OP)
This album was special. I was originally worried about the 2 hour length since most jazz performances that long are contrived, but they really make the whole thing feel sincere and joyful. Pure, unadulterated improvisations with none of the pretentious cultural baggage every musician feels obligated to lump in these days. It's advanced, so avoid if you're the type of guy blown away by Ryo Fukui or some shitty rap-funk fusion dogshit.

>>127084710
Wynton fucking Marsalis is a better jazz critic than Scaruffi for fuck's sake, how the hell is anyone this ignorant lmao

>>127082924
I fucking love booker little makes me sad thinking all we missed out on with him dying so young.
Him and Eric dolphy at the 5 spot is awesome if you haven't heard it yet
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5-6xWXT6Tg4nnIW2grmBJ0qXSwyytpP-&si=_Dms_1yyIfxRCBGy

>>127085645
Chick is a fusion guy thoughbeit and Hiromi's solo stuff stinks

>>127086061
chick is whatever he wants to be that day

>>127086091
Too bad he wants to be dead now.

>>127086186
lets start pointing it out every time we talk about a dead jazz musician itt

>>127080227
Filters people with ears

>>127086091
I love Chick Corea but the guy has one style.

>>127084710
Scott Yanow

>>127086222
Yeah, if all these guys are so great howcome most of them are dead?

>>127086402
Substance abuse mostly

All those heroin addicted jazz guys sucked

>>127086061
This isn't fusion and it isn't a Hiromi solo album

>>127086293
He has several styles, it's just that only one of them was truly great

>>127083553
Idc about being "taken seriously" that much, but also I don't read very many music critics. Do you have any jazz critic suggestions I think it would be a good thing to include in the sticky

>>127086445
>art pepper sucked
lol

This was the worst jazz thread in a long time

>>127086658
Thanks to (YOU)

>>127085163
I'm OP (but nta), I just thought there ought to be a sticky and intros to jazz are the best thing to put in one. I looked at /prog/ and was surprised they just link RYM but I didn't wanna do that. Itd be nice if jazz sales/streams charts were free

>>127086719
I didn't go to jazz critics, I went to jazz

>>127086728
so did I but itd be useful if a newfag stumbled in here and had a bunch of artist/album names to look into. Or maybe there could be record label links now that I think about it

>>127086719
>/prog/ now links to RYM
God what a sorry thought, how far that place has fallen.

>>127085217
>>127085286
>>127085327
lmao

Think we just hit the bump limit. Goodbye everyone

>>127045705
Damn she's 40? I thought people were saying she hit the wall

>>127072313
this guy got owned

Art Tatum is a one trick pony and not musical at all

>>127087384
He's a thousand-trick pony, you simply don't understand music

>>127087409
He really isn't.

>>127087450
>DURRR NOTES GO FAST DURRR NO SOVL

>>127087460
If that's all you can do, and your fast notes lack any sort of tasteful space, then you're a hack running up and down scales.

>>127087635
>DURRRR CAN ONLY HEAR SPEED DURRRR WHAT DOUBLE OCTAVE HARMONEIS DURRRRRRRR

>>127087709
>DOUBLE OCTAVE HARMONEIS
Thanks for proving what a monkey you are. You seriously think repeating a phrase in different octaves is impressive or inherently musical? lmao plebs like you are always impressed by scale run fireworks.

>>127087842
>speed is all they can do
>no that other technique doesn't count because it just doesn't, okay?

>>127087964
>playing the same phrase an octave higher or lower is a "technique"
Holy shit you don't know the first thing about music.

>>127087983
It's an improvisational technique described at length in interviews and online lectures by guys like Barry Harris or Oscar Peterson, yes. This isn't metal. Not every "technique" is virtuoso wankery.

>>127088060
>It's an improvisational technique
Playing the same phrase twice is not improvisation.

and furthermore the fact that you would even mention something so basic as playing a phrase in different octaves, as if it were something noteworthy in art tatum's repertoire, just shows that you are completely unqualified to have your opinion forced onto others. Fuck off poser.

>>127088069
It is if it's improvised, retard.

New thread because bump limit: >>127088082

>>127088083
>reading comprehension
The point wasn't to show off how hard it is, the point was anyone who thinks Tatum only has speed in his toolbox is a deaf brain-damaged retard.

>>127088109
>The point wasn't to show off how hard it is
It isn't hard. At all. On any level. Tatum can't be musical to save his life.

>>127088188
>DUDRRRRRRRRRR TOO MUCH MUSICALITY EQUALS NO MUSIC DURRRRRR

>>127086061
Chick was an amazing jazz musician that unfortunately happens to have wasted most of his life playing absolutely dogshit fusion. See also: Herbert Jeffrey Hancock