/classical/
Fauré edition
https://youtu.be/SOazIUdrmvI
This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.
>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://rentry.org/classicalgen
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>>127032529
>>127059145
My favorite Christian composer after Bach
anyone familiar with Godowsky's solo piano music? Worth checking out?
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 7:59:45 AM
No.127059202
>>127059145
The one guy with the bowtie...
>>127059042 (OP)
>Fauré
Occitans invented Western music, didn't they? Can't believe Simon de Montfort wanted to wipe them all out.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 8:40:08 AM
No.127059389
>>127059472
>>127059171
i never got super into godowsky but one of his most esteemed solo piano works is the Java Suite, which is absolutely worth a listen c:
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 8:57:50 AM
No.127059474
>>127072114
>>127059042 (OP)
Wallpaper made from an old opera poster.
>>127059170
This is appeal to emotion and not an argument. There's no need to pretend. There is great art, produced by geniuses who are characterized by extraordinarily high intelligence and very specific personality traits (such as conscientiousness, which typically is in positive correlation with general intelligence, but is low in geniuses) necessary to revolutionize and make exceptional art. Most composers were atheists. But atheism was frowned upon in 17th century and pretty much throughout the entire history, so those who expressed atheistic views were either either ignored or executed. In short, you had to keep your mouth shut and pretend you were part of the herd. Furthermore, I'd also argue and die on the hill that Democritus, Leucippus and even Epicurus were all atheist. Protagoras was technically agnostic (like Epicurus, in some sense), but that can be translated to "atheist but not informed enough". Furthermore, atheism existed in Ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia. These topics can be explored and studied in Edward Dutton's books. I gave you the redpill, you're giving me the same cliche every pop slop faggot does. You have a poor understanding of how IQ tests actually work. IQ tests correlate with Spearman's g factor. It measures the g factor, although it is not a perfect measurer of it. And g factor is the best measurer of general intelligence we have. In fact, g factor itself uses musical abilities among other cognitive abilities to measure intelligence, and although it is not as strongly correlated to intelligence as maths, there is a considerable correlation. Actually, quick glance at Dutton's book and I found a source showing correlation between general intelligence and musical preference, that should really end the argument right here. I really don't care, not reading your pseudo historical slop further as it's making me nauseous. March onwards to psych ward you useless shit stain. Go argue with ChatGPT, it's more in line with your takes.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 9:13:19 AM
No.127059548
>>127059681
>>127059528
Why do you need Bach to be an atheist?
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 9:51:14 AM
No.127059759
>>127059966
>>127059534
Atheism was tolerated in the Netherlands in Bach’s day. Bach could have moved to the Netherlands if he had felt strongly about Christianity. Instead, he chose to spend his life in Saxony and Thuringia in service to the German church.
The problem is that you are a bigot who can’t tolerate people with a different perspective from your own, or that people who you despise should have produced great men.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 9:54:16 AM
No.127059778
>>127059934
>>127060149
Of Beethoven's thirty-two(32) piano sonatas, how many would you say are masterpieces?
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 9:59:02 AM
No.127059797
>>127059966
>>127059534
The Germans are a deeply honest people.
If Bach were an atheist, he would have blurted it out. Yet there is no record of such an event occurring…
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 10:21:11 AM
No.127059934
>>127060148
>>127072131
>>127059778
At least 5-10 absolutely are
>Hammerklavier
>31st
>Waldstein
>Appassionata
>30th
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 11:06:43 AM
No.127060148
>>127060184
>>127060301
>>127059934
I tried getting a huge music nerd friend into classical by getting them to listen to Waldstein and they said while it was good, it was too repetitive. Sigh.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 11:12:51 AM
No.127060184
>>127060191
>>127060148
Lol. Then introduce him to the late sonatas
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 11:14:37 AM
No.127060191
>>127060229
>>127060301
>>127060184
They haven't hung out with me since. I think I said something they took as derogatory towards... let's say, sisters, because they are one. Oh well.
I've been left on delivered for 2 hours and I want to kms
Classical music for this feel? No romantic piano slop please
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 11:22:39 AM
No.127060229
>>127060243
>>127060191
>let's say, sisters, because they are one.
Did you reallu call someone a sister IRL?
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 11:24:00 AM
No.127060243
>>127060250
>>127060301
>>127060229
No, I just thought it'd be a good replacement instead of saying "trans" here.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 11:25:11 AM
No.127060250
>>127060258
>>127060301
>>127060243
So you had a tranny friend? Good riddance, anon.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 11:26:24 AM
No.127060258
>>127060296
>>127060301
>>127060250
Living in Portland, it comes with the territory. Plus we were good friends in High School before they showed any hint.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 11:32:04 AM
No.127060289
>>127066195
>>127072429
finished listening to and ended up souring on the Levit set, good riddance, never have to listen to that again. decided to go through Scherbakov's Beethoven piano sonatas set now. I've been a fan of his since his wonderful Shostakovich 24 Preludes and Fugues recording, among some other things. Liking it so far. His approach is on the sensitive, expressive side while maintaining some classical restraint without descending into full mawkishness like, say, Barenboim.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD51u2PrpEM&list=OLAK5uy_nnGkkuJ4lQTqShj3fWwz8RjEOICSW9RF0&index=77
Definitely not heroic or fiery Beethoven, which is exactly what I'm looking for right now.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 11:33:06 AM
No.127060296
>>127060319
>>127060258
Now I'm curious, how did you offend him? Was it because of different musical tastes?
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 11:33:24 AM
No.127060301
>>127060313
>>127060319
>>127060258
>>127060250
>>127060243
>>127060220
>>127060191
>>127060148
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/lgbt/ instead?
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 11:35:41 AM
No.127060319
>>127060296
No idea. I thought we had a nice hangout, so I can only theorize since they've been giving me excuses as to why we can't hangout ever since. Maybe the thing about how I didn't understand why [deleted].
>>127060301
Point taken. Back to music.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 11:44:36 AM
No.127060389
>>127060370
A regular class-clown, the K-man
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 11:53:57 AM
No.127060464
>>127060370
I didn't understand his humor but I smiled
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 11:57:40 AM
No.127060489
>>127060478
Kempff has better consistency, but Backhaus' heights are the peak of all piano performance. His Beethoven Op. 111... what sublimity. But to someone unfamiliar with either and choosing between their Beethoven cycles, I'd recommend Kempff.
i have a Jewish friend even though i am anti-semitic, Classical for this feel?
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:13:46 PM
No.127060614
>>127060562
Karajan conducting Mendelssohn
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:14:59 PM
No.127060626
>>127060562
Bernstein conducting Wagner
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:30:38 PM
No.127060733
>>127083115
now playing, got recommended this set so let's try it
start of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 1 in F Major, Op. 18 No. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP5cuuVo-Wk&list=OLAK5uy_mKFRg3EsBnWhsKwSFp_d_CjKgZtSTGmVI&index=2
start of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 4 in C Minor, Op. 18 No. 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzwk54CdB1I&list=OLAK5uy_mKFRg3EsBnWhsKwSFp_d_CjKgZtSTGmVI&index=6
start of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 6 in B-Flat Major, Op. 18 No. 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy0_FPoJgV0&list=OLAK5uy_mKFRg3EsBnWhsKwSFp_d_CjKgZtSTGmVI&index=9
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mKFRg3EsBnWhsKwSFp_d_CjKgZtSTGmVI
>The New York Times hailed them as "one of the most impressive of the new generation of string quartets," and has described their Beethoven performances as "organic... riveting... engrossing... brilliant."
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:37:38 PM
No.127060764
>>127060770
>>127067844
Oh no, I have become a hiss sister...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lH6H4ksPnc
It is true that older pianists were leagues better in technique, but I still have strong preference of modern recordings where I can hear full harmonic spectrum of the piano
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:39:18 PM
No.127060770
>>127060796
>>127060764
Not to be rude but it sounds like it's being performed on a kid's toy.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:43:47 PM
No.127060794
>browsing news while listening to classical
>read: Navalny's widow leads calls for Italy to cancel concert by Pro-Putin conductor
gee, I wonder who that could be referring to. It'd be Gergiev's first performance outside of Russia since the (unjust) invasion of Ukraine.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:44:31 PM
No.127060796
>>127061181
>>127060770
Listen to the 4th ballade, how he brings out the inner voices and makes the piece sound polyphonic just by voicing. Modern pianists don't do this
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 1:54:24 PM
No.127061181
>>127061283
>>127060796
Fair enough. Is it really better though?
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 2:12:29 PM
No.127061283
>>127061311
>>127061577
>>127061181
In some parts it is absolutely better, see 1:00:26, the beautiful descending alto melody or the inner melody here 1:04:25 - 27, and especially the part around 1:04:48 sounds like Bachian polyphony in style of Chopin, all the melodies freed from accompaniments by proper voicing. There's also great deal of tasteful rubato there. But what I loathe is what comes right after that last bit 1:05:07 till coda (which is a bit whacky too) is just noise to me.
I wish there were modern interpreters who combined Zimerman's technique with older, Hofmann and Cortot -like techniques.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 2:16:46 PM
No.127061311
>>127061283
>...is just noise to me.
For the record, I think this is mostly because of the recording quality not necessarily the interpreter.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 2:44:11 PM
No.127061446
>>127066030
>>127059354
>Occitan
Shit meme, fake an invented.
t. from a small village in southern France
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 3:05:23 PM
No.127061577
>>127061759
>>127061283
You've tried that many modern recordings and none of them fit the fill?
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 3:37:25 PM
No.127061759
>>127062212
>>127062212
>>127061577
I haven't heard that much polyphony in modern recordings yeah, have you?
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 4:43:13 PM
No.127062212
>>127062618
>>127061759
>>127061759
Have you tried Jonathan Plowright? (yes it's his actual name) I don't think he ever recorded chopin but he has some very good brahms and possibly the best recording of Paderewski's piano sonata
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 5:49:42 PM
No.127062618
>>127062212
Nop. I'll check out his Brahms
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 6:28:23 PM
No.127062922
>>127063639
>>127063883
Give me some music to listen to while playing KSP.
My favourite piece is Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 and I have yet to find anything that matches the emotions I get from listening to this piece.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 7:59:10 PM
No.127063639
>>127062922
Have you considered the rest of the Hungarian Rhapsodies? Or the rest of Liszt's music?
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 8:24:57 PM
No.127063883
>>127062922
Chopin > Liszt
Listen to Liszt's B minor sonata if you haven't already
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 10:14:46 PM
No.127065098
>>127065651
What's the best recording of Bach's Arias?
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 10:54:08 PM
No.127065431
>>127065691
>>127059042 (OP)
Listening to Swept Away: Concerto for Violin and Chamber Orchestra (2023) by Alyssa Wang.
I listened to it live, with composer conducting. It was way better than the recording, but unfortunately I cannot find anything better.
This concerto is on the topic of the death (specifically for her - father), with the first part being about the process of dying, second part was about grief, and the third and final part about continuing living with a death of someone close to you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj9C0DBVr_k
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 11:22:23 PM
No.127065651
>>127065827
>>127065098
/classical/ isn’t your personal Hurwitz, anon
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 11:27:47 PM
No.127065691
>>127065993
>>127065431
> This concerto is on the topic of the death (specifically for her - father), with the first part being about the process of dying, second part was about grief, and the third and final part about continuing living with a death of someone close to you
Why can’t the left make vivifying art?
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 12:06:48 AM
No.127066002
>>127066011
>>127066046
>>127065978
CLASSICAL refers to the standard set of instruments (orchestra), rather than a specific style. Although of course there's a classical period in music.
࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇
!Ry9RIEstm6
7/17/2025, 12:08:18 AM
No.127066011
>>127066002
IN EVERY ONE OF THE MUSICAL PERIODS LISTED IN MY POST, THE STANDARD INSTRUMENTAL ARRANGEMENT WAS DIFFERENT.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 12:09:42 AM
No.127066023
>>127065978
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 12:10:17 AM
No.127066030
>>127061446
Where in Occitània? I’m guessing Provence since they hate being called Occitan for some reason.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 12:11:40 AM
No.127066046
>>127066002
>CLASSICAL refers to the standard set of instruments
No. It refers to the musical tradition which started with medieval music, which is preserved in scores, extensively studied and performed by classically trained musicians.
And yes, it borrows its name from the classical era, which was the height (Beethoven) of any human musical endeavour.
>>127065978
False.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 12:30:13 AM
No.127066186
>>127066277
Brahms' violin concerto is so comfy and epic at the same time. I need moar recordings. Heard the big names already, what are some great recordings by 19th century violinists, with tasteful bel canto and all
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 12:38:15 AM
No.127066252
Brahms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbww8l79mKA
Huberman, 1944, let's see how it compares to modern interpretations
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 12:43:34 AM
No.127066287
>>127066310
>>127066271
>>127066277
Thanks! How do you search for these older recordings?
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 12:47:47 AM
No.127066310
>>127066287
by violinist or by specialised label: biddulph, naxos historical, Music & Arts of America, Preiser, Marston, etc
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 12:58:26 AM
No.127066417
Vivaldi essential works?
Clementi essential works?
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 1:11:16 AM
No.127066549
>>127066620
>>127065978
My point was that 4channers have a tendency to condense history into caricature. I call this tendency the ‘weebification’ of history.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 1:18:16 AM
No.127066620
>>127066645
>>127066549
>4channers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_music
Did 4channers write this article? Touch grass, retard.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 1:20:46 AM
No.127066645
>>127066743
>>127066620
Sorry, I assumed you were his an0n
>>127059354
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 1:26:11 AM
No.127066697
Yes, de Monfort just didn’t care for Occitans, and the politicking of the Catholic Church and the French king had nothing to do with it…(SARCASM)
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 1:30:52 AM
No.127066743
>>127066763
>>127066645
??
And I assumed you were replying to your own post. I guess we're both confused
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 1:32:49 AM
No.127066763
>>127066816
>>127066743
There are only 3 people who post in this general
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 1:37:41 AM
No.127066811
>>127066823
>>127067233
>>127065993
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/lgbt/ instead?
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 1:38:27 AM
No.127066816
>>127066763
There's probably less than 10 which is still sad.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 1:39:12 AM
No.127066823
>>127066811
Shermanposting is an excellent case study for the weebification of history.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 1:48:31 AM
No.127066924
>>127065978
Hello Mr Hurwitz. No, the Beatles do not count as classical music.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 2:16:36 AM
No.127067200
>>127067439
>THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS «CLASSICAL MUSIC».
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 2:19:46 AM
No.127067233
>>127066811
Sorry, got the boards mixed up. Based on the post quality, I thought I was already there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSSHlWTRflk
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 2:40:45 AM
No.127067439
>>127067200
‘The Jeremy Clarkson of classical music’
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 3:19:25 AM
No.127067730
>>127066589
ew that bitch on the left is ugly, the right is much cuter.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 3:38:00 AM
No.127067844
>>127068350
>>127060764
That Waldstein sonata from that recital is simply on another planet from just about any other recording I've heard of the piece. The sound quality is so garbage, but holy shit the performance. Really one of those cases where the meme about old performers being leagues above new ones is actually true.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 4:48:05 AM
No.127068350
>>127067844
This. I'd never heard a Waldstein like that before.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:04:29 AM
No.127068475
Opinions on Gliere's Ilya Muromets?
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:23:12 AM
No.127068625
>>127072429
>>127066195
I can't quite put my finger on the why because I really wanted to like it, all I know is when listening my ears would so often tell my brain "not feeling this, change this to something else" which is not something one should ever feel when listening to Beethoven's piano sonatas. There was the occasional movement of brilliance, no doubt, and his approach was unique, but yeah, simply put, it didn't sound good, didn't work for me, wasn't the Beethoven I'm into.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:49:54 AM
No.127068844
>>127068918
I wonder if I could be friends with the kind of person who'd enjoy Schiff's Bach. Not because of their liking Schiff, but because of the kind of person they'd need to be.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 6:04:50 AM
No.127068918
>>127068933
>>127068962
>>127068844
>the kind of person they'd need to be.
Which is what? Besides having poor taste obviously.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 6:08:41 AM
No.127068933
>>127068962
>>127068918
Boring, stiff, parsimonious, fastidious, bland, vanilla
probably does the numbers for an insurance firm
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 6:16:30 AM
No.127068962
>>127069231
>>127068918
>>127068933
oh and they're probably a snitch too
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 7:00:39 AM
No.127069225
>>127069367
favorite recording(s) of Chopin's Preludes?
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 7:06:33 AM
No.127069266
>>127069356
>>127068936
He means it gets you pussy.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 7:20:17 AM
No.127069356
>>127069399
>>127069266
It was in the context of being a presidential candidate. Which explains why whenever I've looked up the favorite music of several of the last US Presidents, none of them have expressed any like for classical music; aka, they were faking to not look wimpy for the electorate.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 7:21:55 AM
No.127069367
>>127069225
I tend to go for Arrau, Sofronotsky, Moravec, Cortot. Sometimes Argerich if I just want to hear someone tear into it.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 7:27:13 AM
No.127069399
>>127069356
The context is irrelevant. The statement is true when you use my interpretation.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 7:28:28 AM
No.127069406
>>127069410
>>127069459
best recordings of Bach's solo keyboard work?
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 7:29:20 AM
No.127069410
>>127069438
>>127069406
depends on the piece
but if you want a one-stop shop, then Angela Hewitt is fine
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 7:35:40 AM
No.127069459
>>127069471
>>127069476
>>127069406
The recording quality makes little difference if you are listening to the structure of the music rather than for the auditory sensorial experience and associated dopamine. So, if you are not a gooner, any recording will suffice.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 7:37:18 AM
No.127069471
>>127069512
>>127069459
>recording quality
i'm not talking about the sound quality, i mean the "best" or a highly regarded recorded performance.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 7:37:28 AM
No.127069476
>>127069494
>>127069512
>>127069438
yeah
and great
>>127069459
I rolled my eyes irl at your post
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 7:39:46 AM
No.127069494
>>127069528
>>127069438
>>127069476
Also I just wanna make it clear none of my personal favorite recordings of any of the pieces are Hewitt, though she would rank highly on some. I'm only suggesting her for a general collection of the works. On that level, hers is great, and if I ended up on a desert island only with Hewitt's Bach to listen to, I wouldn't be dismayed.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 7:41:56 AM
No.127069512
>>127069528
>>127069529
>>127069471
Why do you care so much about what other people think? You strike me as a conformist.
>>127069476
Have you tried a kpop thread, lil sis?
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 7:43:57 AM
No.127069528
>>127069580
>>127069494
that's fine, i'm still exploring Bach's Keyboard works, so if i really like a specific piece i'll search out to find a recording that i personally like
>>127069512
i just want a good starting point, a good box set where all or most of the performances are good enough, then i can go from there.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 7:44:09 AM
No.127069529
>>127069580
>>127069512
They aren't asking what others think is the best so they can automatically agree, but because there's so many recordings of classical pieces, without some kind of guidance, it's impossible to know if you're starting off at a good spot. Stop being cringe and trolling.
>Have you tried a kpop thread, lil sis?
Why would I want to run into you more often than I have to?
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 7:52:27 AM
No.127069580
>>127069601
>>127069607
>>127069528
>i just want a good starting point, a good box set where all or most of the performances are good enough, then i can go from there.
It doesn’t matter unless you are a sensualist gooner.
>>127069529
> Why would I want to run into you more often than I have to?
Well you rolled your eyes at me so I assumed you were a teenage girl…
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 7:55:52 AM
No.127069601
>>127069614
>>127069580
>Well you rolled your eyes at me so I assumed you were a teenage girl…
The point was it was something I never, ever do, yet somehow your post managed to provoke that reaction from me. Congrats.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 7:59:33 AM
No.127069614
>>127069625
>>127069601
>Tells me they rolled their eyes
>Claims to never ever roll eyes
Oh, I didn’t realize it was your first time
what's your favorite recording of Chopin Nocturne in C minor, Op. 48 No.1?
https://youtu.be/o5K3Aea-s0k?si=92X4spCjH0mOWByl
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 11:39:18 AM
No.127070855
>>127070823
is there anything Arrau CAN'T play extremely well?
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 1:16:44 PM
No.127071541
>>127069958
That falls under coronation anthem, lil bro
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 2:57:16 PM
No.127072096
>>127072003
oooh, that's where the name Kafka on the Shore comes from
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 2:57:46 PM
No.127072099
>>127072112
>Paul McCartney has an oratorio, apparently
wtf? is it any good? if yes, are there any other rock/pop musicians who have successfully branched out into classical forms?
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 2:59:54 PM
No.127072112
>>127072099
Not quite what you're looking for, but Spiritualized/Jason Piece is kinda choral+gospel+space rock. The influences from sacred music is stark.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 3:00:16 PM
No.127072114
>>127059474
that's awesome, got any more of this kind of stuff? Mucha's posters for Strauss' operas would make for great posters
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 3:01:51 PM
No.127072131
>>127059934
Good start, then adding No. 32 and Les Adieux for sure, maybe Pastorale and Tempest and The Hunt and No. 28. Pathetique and Moonlight and No. 27? Perhaps.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 3:08:31 PM
No.127072170
>>127072191
>>127072206
essential works for the Czech gang? I've heard Dvorak's Slavonic Dances and 9th Symphony, loved both
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 3:10:59 PM
No.127072191
>>127072170
Listen to Janacek's Glagolitic Mass, both String Quartets, Sinfonietta, and In The Mists.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 3:12:28 PM
No.127072206
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 3:45:35 PM
No.127072429
>>127074715
>>127076599
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 4:20:30 PM
No.127072700
>>127072003
>Phillip Glass
I bet Epstein listened to that on his island…
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 4:26:53 PM
No.127072742
>>127072769
>>127073400
>>127072731
they all simultaneously, across the board, sped up -- conveniently right as audio recording was introduced, and none of them mentioned this in their writings!
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 4:30:35 PM
No.127072769
>>127072788
>>127072742
The Industrial Revolution.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:16:04 PM
No.127073076
>>127066458
It looks like a collection of PS1 demos
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:53:46 PM
No.127073298
>>127066458
It doesn't really deserve to be called Scriabin when he wrote maybe 1% of it
>>127072731
>>127072742
sRT(simple reaction times) have been measured since 1880s and it appers that it has significantly decreased since the. 19th century. And through other proxies we know it reached peak in 19th century, this is why they were playing the music so fast and effectively
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 6:24:24 PM
No.127073503
>>127073400
>and it appers that it has significantly decreased since the. 19th
Has spelling decreased since the 19th century as well
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 6:38:34 PM
No.127073613
>>127073741
>>127073400
Also I may be a complete layman, but my suspicion is those studies from the late 19th and early 20th centuries had worse methodology and smaller sample sizes than modern studies
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 6:52:04 PM
No.127073741
>>127073764
>>127073613
Those methods have been shown to be perfectly adequate for the job, and research has been published in leading psychology journals (which have been replicated since). The decline has also been observed in another study, with sample of more than 7000 people, which found that sRT had slowed by between 3 and 16 milliseconds between 1959 and 1985.
And as I said, there are other proxies (backwards digit span, colour discrimination, use of high difficulty words), and it aligns perfectly with the overall decline. The evidence is overwhelming. And yet another evidence might be the video anon posted, I might look into that
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 6:52:29 PM
No.127073748
>>127073797
All music comes from the voice. Human singing is the basis for almost everything. Double beat fanatics cannot overcome the simple fact that sung music falls apart with their moronic theory. Beethoven didn't leave us metronome markings for the Missa Solemnis but we do understand his general preferences for tempo from the works that he did leave us markings for. Simply put, there are many stately moments in the Missa Solemnis which are slow enough as is, and to interpret it through the lens of the double beat simply brings one to the point of breathlessness. You cannot reconcile this theory with vocal music. Are we supposed to believe that Don Giovanni took upwards of 4.5 hours? It's stupid and nonsensical.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 6:53:59 PM
No.127073764
>>127073741
>overall decline
...of cognitive abilities*.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 7:00:35 PM
No.127073828
>>127074436
>>127078899
>>127073797
Yes, but the arguments that double beaters often use is "Beethoven's metronome markings are impossible to play, and therefore he could not have intended for it to be played at that speed."
Obviously this sounds like dogshit but coming at it from another angle, it's even more impossible to sing Beethoven's choral works through the lens of the double beat than it is to play the Hammerklavier at its intended tempo.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 7:52:16 PM
No.127074220
>>127073821
Holiday Harpsichords for violently hallucinating schizophrenics
>It is apparent that Chopin's contemporaries were incapable of remaining on the level of material reality when speaking of him.
How did he spellbind everyone bros
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 8:13:13 PM
No.127074436
>>127075019
>>127073828
In practice a lot of 19th century pieces are played at around 0.75x the metronome marking, so somewhere between "double" and "single" beat.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 9:02:11 PM
No.127075019
>>127079730
>>127074436
Kinda. Really depends on the performer and repertoire. Beethoven's metronome markings weren't taken seriously for a long time, but it's hard to find a performance of the symphonies that isn't at least 90% of the way there these days.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 11:18:02 PM
No.127076485
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 11:22:41 PM
No.127076524
>>127076617
>>127074715
This is the high IQ general, anon.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 11:30:48 PM
No.127076599
>>127077164
>>127077345
>>127072429
>"Moonlight"
He didn't call it that thoughbeit, people only started referring to it as Moonlight after an association with a painting of a boat on a swiss lake with the light of the full Moon reflecting from its surface on a night.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 11:32:01 PM
No.127076606
In 1848 Chopin visited Scotland staying at Johnstone Castle and he wrote to his friend
"The weather has changed, and it is dreadful outside. I am feeling sick and depressed, and everyone wears me down with their excessive attentions"
As an added bonus his carriage crashed into a tree
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 11:33:07 PM
No.127076617
>>127076524
Kek good one anon
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 12:05:02 AM
No.127076960
>>127080544
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 12:14:54 AM
No.127077061
Sir Colin Davis is, all at once, a good, great, transcendent, and mediocre conductor. He is capable of it all in high measure without qualification. Truly impressive.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 12:22:30 AM
No.127077164
>>127077345
>>127076599
I just go with what's on the label of the link/recording. But good to know, thank you.
>>127076599
>>127077164
Does that really matter? The title is inseparable from that piece at this point. 'Moonlight Sonata' sounds pretty cool
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 12:44:22 AM
No.127077425
>>127077720
>>127077345
It does. "Quasi una fantasia" doesn't sound that good, the name "moonlight" contributed much to the fact that it became one of his most known works.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 12:45:24 AM
No.127077437
>>127077720
>>127077345
Only the first movement feels like a "Moonlight Sonata" imo
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 1:12:45 AM
No.127077720
>>127078018
>>127078119
>>127077425
>contributed much to the fact that it became one of his most known works.
No. It was popular back even during Beethoven's day
>The movement was very popular in Beethoven's day, to the point of exasperating the composer himself, who remarked to Czerny, "Surely I've written better things".
It's popular because it's relatively simple, emotional, easy to follow and just good.
>>127077437
Only the finale of 9th feels like "Choral" but oh well. That's how the titles work.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 1:38:59 AM
No.127077989
>>127078007
>>127077345
yes it does matter. it contributes to this modern notion that music must be "about" something and can't simply be music first and last.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 1:40:52 AM
No.127078007
>>127077989
Beethoven himself disagrees. See symphony no.6.
That said, I also prefer music without title or text.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 1:41:39 AM
No.127078018
>>127078062
>>127078119
>>127077720
>>The movement was very popular in Beethoven's day, to the point of exasperating the composer himself, who remarked to Czerny, "Surely I've written better things".
kek
I always have a weird feeling when listening to it because I'm left thinking, "this is it?" for the first movement.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 1:46:05 AM
No.127078062
>>127078018
I was obsessed with it for a long time before I truly got into classical, and I still love it. But it can be underwhelming comapred to his late works
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 1:49:00 AM
No.127078090
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 1:52:58 AM
No.127078119
>>127078153
>>127077720
>>127078018
Imagine how exasperated he'd be once he knew how popular "Fur Elise" would come to be.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 1:57:56 AM
No.127078153
>>127078119
I behave as if that one doesn't exist.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 2:13:10 AM
No.127078278
transport me to the universe where Debussy and Ravel wrote multiple string quartets
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 3:04:15 AM
No.127078681
>>127073400
There are two mutually exclusive groups of people in this world: Intelligent people and people who fall for Wim’s trolling.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 3:06:04 AM
No.127078690
>>127059042 (OP)
>Alexa, play compositions by Faure
>Certainly! I hope you like Pavane as much as I do!
god dammit Alexa
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 3:29:11 AM
No.127078899
>>127073828
Musicians are lamebrains who can’t read a pendulum
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 3:31:11 AM
No.127078917
>>127077768
I like 0.17-0.30.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 3:53:09 AM
No.127079110
>I don't know how it is, but the Germans are amazed at me and I am amazed at them for finding anything to be amazed about.
>England is so surrounded by the boredom of conventionalities, that it is all one to them whether music is good or bad, since they have to hear it from morning till night. For here they have flower-shows with music, dinners with music, sales with music...
>Among the numerous pleasures of Vienna the hotel evenings are famous. During supper Strauss or Lanner play waltzes...After every waltz they get huge applause; and if they play a Quodlibet, or jumble of opera, song and dance, the hearers are so overjoyed that they don't know what to do with themselves. It shows the corrupt taste of the Viennese public.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 4:16:50 AM
No.127079346
>>127079413
Does anyone like postmodern classical?
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 4:24:35 AM
No.127079406
>>127079428
>>127079603
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 4:25:08 AM
No.127079413
>>127079346
I like Berio's Sinfonia, and that's about it.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 4:26:28 AM
No.127079428
>>127079545
>>127079406
o_o
You enjoy this?
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 4:27:38 AM
No.127079441
>>127080544
now playing, more of Uchida's Beethoven
start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 28 in A Major, Op. 101
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJDiPUdwQzQ&list=OLAK5uy_mB0rA2WDsQSYq4czp5F4cRrLeQvNtEAuE&index=2
start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 29 in B-Flat Major, Op. 106 "Hammerklavier"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWzIttpuLLo&list=OLAK5uy_mB0rA2WDsQSYq4czp5F4cRrLeQvNtEAuE&index=4
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mB0rA2WDsQSYq4czp5F4cRrLeQvNtEAuE
>Here Mitsuko Uchida attempts the Mount Everest of piano sonatas, Beethoven's "Hammerklavier," a work of supreme power and complex structure. She offers a thrillingly virile performance, wanting neither in power nor accuracy. The first movement is a blaze of sound, a tiny pause after the initial statement of chords most welcome, with the bizarre rhythms intact and the harmonies sharp-edged. If the lengthy Adagio is missing some of its leaden hopelessness, it makes up for it in sheer darkness, and the violent flow of sound needed for the finale is clear and potent. Throughout, gentler passages are not overlooked, but daintiness never enters into the performance. Her reading of Opus 101 is just as fine. She misses none of the warmth of the opening movement; the sharp-edged March of the second movement is in strict time without ever becoming menacing; the fugal finale almost as impressive as that of the "Hammerklavier." This is a superlative achievement. --Robert Levine
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 4:39:15 AM
No.127079545
>>127079592
>>127079428
I’m a big postmodernist in terms of the art I like
All my favourite novels are by Thomas Pynchon or Don DeLillo
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 4:42:01 AM
No.127079571
Just listened to Brahms' fifth Hungarian Dance. And I have to say, the B section could not have been more dull and lacking in inspiration. This is the problem with Brahms, every time he has something good, five second later he'll just ruin it with some generic dependence on 'the tradition'. I'm always finding myself disliking 'this' or 'that' little bit in his music, and as such I can never appreciate the whole.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 4:44:41 AM
No.127079592
>>127079882
>>127079545
Most PoMo literature is still narratively straightforward with human themes, and those guys were stellar prose stylists. I don't know, I love Pynchon and DeLillo and Gaddis and Burroughs and Vollman and Auster, etc etc. too, but post-war/postmodern classical... can't do it. I'm glad and somewhat impressed you do though. Is it more of a conceptual thing or do you genuinely outright like how it sounds?
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 4:45:49 AM
No.127079603
>>127079920
>>127079406
Also, if someone doesn't have Apple Music they can't really listen through this link, but fortunately it's on YouTube/YouTube Music too so I was able to check it out.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 4:57:21 AM
No.127079730
>>127081360
>>127075019
>but it's hard to find a performance of the symphonies that isn't at least 90% of the way there these days.
And that's why great conducting doesn't exist anymore.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 5:09:41 AM
No.127079882
>>127082162
>>127079592
I listen to ambient jazz that has one note every ten seconds so I think I’m just wired different
I like atmosphere just as much as structure
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 5:13:03 AM
No.127079920
>>127079603
I’ll use YouTube links from now on. Thanks.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 5:38:04 AM
No.127080174
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 6:09:02 AM
No.127080450
The way forward for classical composition is:
Choose random bars from Bach, preferably those with juicer themes and sequences, and/or intense harmonic activity, and develop them into a romantic piece in the style of tchaikovsky, chopin, or brahms. You can even use RNG.
That's it, that's all we need. That's what I would do if I became a composer.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 6:24:59 AM
No.127080544
>>127085145
>>127076960
>>127072499
>>127079441
She isn’t going to fuck you, lil bro
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 6:27:33 AM
No.127080565
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 6:57:54 AM
No.127080775
>>127081312
>>127081767
MVP hours in /classical/
time to post Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bV7addaEkI
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 8:02:27 AM
No.127081312
>>127081707
>>127080775
Real nigga hours, Unc
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 8:07:59 AM
No.127081360
>>127079730
I am convinced by Beethoven's metronome markings. I generally think his music should be played on the fast side. That being said, I'm also not really a fan of the way it's played these days, less for tempo reasons and more for reasons of balance, dynamics, and flexibility. The best recordings of Beethoven that adhere to the metronome markings are usually the early ones, when it was still fresh and new, and the conductors were still drenched in tradition and had balls.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 9:05:05 AM
No.127081707
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 9:18:23 AM
No.127081767
>>127081845
>>127082693
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 9:30:59 AM
No.127081845
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 10:24:48 AM
No.127082162
>>127079882
Fair enough. Always nice to have more variety here. I think most of the other post-war classical fans have left by this point however. We'll see.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 11:23:55 AM
No.127082486
>>127082501
i have the Chopin Edition DG set, the Rubinstein set, the Arrau set, the Ashkenazy set, the Zimerman Ballades / Barcarolle / Fantaisie CD, 2 Sofronitsky CDs, the Moravec Preludes, the Yunchan Lim Etudes, is there any other sets or recordings i am missing?
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 11:26:23 AM
No.127082501
>>127082486
Peep recordings by Nelson Freire, Ingrid Fliter, and, depending on how you like your Chopin, Jan Lisiecki.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 11:29:43 AM
No.127082514
>>127059354
WE WUZ TROUBADOURZ ET MERRRRDUGH
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 11:46:21 AM
No.127082624
>>127082674
People who dislike boy sopranos in Bach’s works… methinks they protest too much.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 11:47:02 AM
No.127082627
>>127082779
>>127084028
You CAN sing all of Beethoven's late string quartets note-by-note, right, anon?
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 11:52:16 AM
No.127082654
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 11:54:32 AM
No.127082674
>>127082624
If you can’t listen to a boy sing without thinking about pederasty…
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 11:56:52 AM
No.127082693
>>127081767
> Shota choir
> Shotacon (ショタコン, shotakon), abbreviated from Shōtarō complex (正太郎コンプレックス, shōtarō konpurekkusu), is, in Japanese contexts, the attraction to young (or young-looking) boy characters, or media centered around this attraction. The term refers to a genre of manga and anime wherein prepubescent or pubescent male characters are depicted in a suggestive or erotic manner, whether in the obvious role of object of attraction
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotacon
What a strange thing to say!
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 12:09:43 PM
No.127082779
>>127082787
>>127082627
I can't even sing one note or motif (except grosse fuga), I find them ugly, nonmelodic and boring.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 12:11:20 PM
No.127082787
>>127082779
Damn. As a result of this, we cannot be friends or ever sleep together. In fact, we might have become enemies for life, or at least until you rectify this aesthetic blasphemy.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 12:22:49 PM
No.127082863
>>127082908
>>127059171
try pressing play and forming an opinion of your own fuckwit
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 12:26:40 PM
No.127082908
>>127082943
>>127082863
but there's ~14 volumes!
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 12:30:54 PM
No.127082943
>>127083023
>>127082908
set it to 4x speed for efficiency
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 12:36:50 PM
No.127082985
>>127083023
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 12:42:05 PM
No.127083023
>>127083051
>>127082985
oh shii--
>>127082943
plus, the main purpose of my post was to possibly foster some discussion about the composer and their music.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 12:47:55 PM
No.127083051
>>127083068
>>127083023
>Godowsky
He's a stunt composer "how can I make this fairly nice safe music EVEN MORE COMPLEX AND EPIC!" not worth the listen.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 12:50:06 PM
No.127083068
>>127083051
Godowsky Chopin etudes are fire though. I like to listen to them over Chopin etudes from time to time. I like to think they are the hardest, most technically demanding pieces of solo piano music, that's still listenable and not some atonal or post-tonal filth.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 12:56:49 PM
No.127083115
holy shit this Adagio from Beethoven's Op. 59, No. 1, continuing with this set
>>127060733
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q5xIZ0jzbg&list=OLAK5uy_mKFRg3EsBnWhsKwSFp_d_CjKgZtSTGmVI&index=28
Superb. Moving. Intelligently played.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 1:16:57 PM
No.127083243
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 1:21:43 PM
No.127083267
>>127083272
>>127083581
It's a Mozart 21 day for me
Hope you have a good friday, anons. I received some good news, so I am a little bit happy
https://youtu.be/8RL8QVIrSug
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 1:22:18 PM
No.127083272
>>127083267
Excellent recording choice. And happy for you, anon :) godspeed!
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 2:00:32 PM
No.127083515
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 2:09:22 PM
No.127083581
>>127083267
I liked The Northman and The VVitch.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 3:10:45 PM
No.127084028
>>127085031
>>127082627
Wagner insisted that something very important could be learnt from training singers by singing Beethoven's late string quartets, and was going to institute it in his music school which fell through. I have no idea what he thought would be learned from it.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 3:51:59 PM
No.127084334
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 4:50:38 PM
No.127084875
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 5:07:35 PM
No.127085031
>>127085086
>>127084028
the existence of God, transcendence, sublimity
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 5:14:44 PM
No.127085086
>>127085155
>>127085199
>>127085031
Schizophrenia is primarily treated with antipsychotic medications, which help manage symptoms like hallucinations, delusions, and disordered thinking. Haloperidol (Haldol) and fluphenazine primarily block dopamine receptors but other medications such as risperidone (Risperdal), quetiapine (Seroquel), and olanzapine (Zyprexa), also affect other neurotransmitters like serotonin.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 5:22:48 PM
No.127085145
>>127080544
She’s 76 my guy
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 5:24:14 PM
No.127085155
>>127085246
>>127085266
>>127085086
I don't mean to burst your bubble but the existence of schizophrenia doesn't account for either highly structured and unified visions or the intensity of sensation in the qualia of mystical experiences in general.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 5:29:30 PM
No.127085199
>>127085086
Uh…thanks Ian that’s certainly some useful information!
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 5:34:48 PM
No.127085246
>>127085155
maybe they understand what language you just spoke over at >>>/x/ but we normal folks of /mu/ mainly speak in English.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 5:38:15 PM
No.127085266
>>127085155
You're right, it's suggestibility.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 5:40:42 PM
No.127085285
Whoever makes the new /classical/ thread, please add this to the general information. This TC post has the old recommended music list
https://www.talkclassical.com/threads/compilation-of-the-tc-top-recommended-lists.17996/
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 5:44:00 PM
No.127085321
>>127085393
what you listen to: mozart
what the guy she tells you not to worry about listens to: elgar
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 5:51:02 PM
No.127085393
>>127085499
>>127085321
well if he unironically thinks that elgar is superior to Mozart I wouldn't worry about him even without she telling me. What a retarded thought experiment
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 6:02:28 PM
No.127085499
>>127085393
Exactly- he’s just a friend from work
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 6:04:02 PM
No.127085515
>>127077768
Someone else check out this anon's new piece.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 6:04:49 PM
No.127085522
>>127085534
>>127085466
She looks like the survivor of a tragedy
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 6:06:43 PM
No.127085534
>>127085522
Yes, communist China.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 6:31:35 PM
No.127085780
When I hear nutcases like Glenn Gould who do: [plays staccato version of J.S. Bach's Partita no. 1, BWV 825, Allemande], I say he understood nothing of Bach's music! I've listened carefully to his records: he didn't understand. He was very brilliant; I respect him up to a certain point. For me, the fact that an artist doesn't appear in public poses a problem. But at least he was a guy with the courage not to do things like other people. All the same, he was wide off the mark, so wide off the mark that you'd need a 747 to bring him back. I'm hard on Glenn Gould. Well, he's dead now, so I won't attack a colleague.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 7:06:59 PM
No.127086117
>>127086142
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 7:09:43 PM
No.127086138
>>127086142
>>127085466
Stop posting this crap.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 7:10:07 PM
No.127086142
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 7:17:44 PM
No.127086210
>>127086318
127085466
127086142
Never post it again.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 7:20:59 PM
No.127086255
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 7:26:23 PM
No.127086318
>>127086210
just messing with you anon. You cam post the Chinese grandma ‘aBach if you want.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 7:34:35 PM
No.127086401
Great record.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 7:42:06 PM
No.127086461
>>127085466
Piano sounds out of tune
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 8:02:14 PM
No.127086669
>>127086788
yall aint even tapped into the london philharmonic orchestra
posers
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 8:13:21 PM
No.127086788
>>127086812
>>127086669
second-tier orchestra.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 8:16:00 PM
No.127086812
>>127086841
>>127086788
You can't name a single first-tier orchestra that isn't Vienna Philharmonic
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 8:19:14 PM
No.127086841
>>127087590
>>127086812
West-Eastern Divan Orchestra
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 8:40:58 PM
No.127087067
What is the greatest Bruckner symphony? Obvious choice would be 9, but it's unfinished. 8 would be second choice but it is too backloaded, 7 too frontloaded, 5 IMO spends too much time calling back to previous movements in the final movement. 4 I'd say is probably the most perfect overall and balances everything the best
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 9:01:47 PM
No.127087343
His 1st violin concerto is undoubtedly one of the best concertos ever written, but what about his other 2? Does anyone like them as much as 1st? I'm about to listen to all 3.
Bruch was apparently upset that only 1st got so much fame and attention
>Nothing compares to the laziness, stupidity and dullness of many German violinists. Every fortnight another one comes to me wanting to play the first concerto. I have now become rude; and have told them: ‘I cannot listen to this concerto any more – did I perhaps write just this one? Go away and once and for all play the other concertos, which are just as good, if not better.
>On the corner of the Via Toledo they stand there, ready to break out with my first violin concerto as soon as I allow myself to be seen. (They can all go to the devil! As if I had not written other equally good concertos!)
>>127059042 (OP)
Taking a break from listening to other stuff to get at least a pleb's scope of classical in my library, starting with more properly going through Bach.
A- am I really supposed to go through all of the BWV?
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 9:27:33 PM
No.127087585
>>127087631
>>127087519
No one listens to entire catalogue, no. And Bach is not the best composer to start with, but I'm speaking this from my experience so take it with a grain of salt. I've hated Bach for a long time, now that I love him, I still think he's not easy composer to take on.
I would start with romantic music (e.g. Beethoven, Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninoff, Brahms, Chopin).
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 9:27:55 PM
No.127087590
>>127086841
thought this was some kind of weird Goethe joke before looking it up and realising it was a real orchestra with a Goethe name
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 9:31:32 PM
No.127087631
>>127087659
>>127087680
>>127087585
I've been keen to properly dive into Bach since I've loved the little I've heard from him, but fair enough I don't mind checking out romantics first.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 9:33:28 PM
No.127087659
>>127087768
>>127087631
Don't be afraid to ask for recs on how to find good recordings etc.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 9:35:21 PM
No.127087680
>>127087768
>>127087631
Go with what calls to you first.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 9:42:03 PM
No.127087768
>>127087909
>>127087659
I'll gladly take recs for that, I just wouldn't expect to be fine asking it. Indeed, the little I downloaded showed it's not as simple as with regular modern albums.
>>127087680
Well, Bach is the big one, even if I'm looking forward to others. At the same time, I do like to save stuff as "trump cards" for later when catching up on stuff, not just with music, although in the end I might find Bach just pretty good and enjoy some lesser known guy way more.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 9:47:55 PM
No.127087868
>>127087519
>>127087519
>A- am I really supposed to go through all of the BWV?
Why not if you like bach :)
If you prefer organ music you could start with a recording of the complete organ works. I recommend the aeolus recording by ewald kooiman and his students.
The dark secret of classical is that the 20th century was the greatest for music
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 9:51:49 PM
No.127087909
>>127087768
>I'll gladly take recs for that,
Classicstoday.com
Dave Hurwitz YT channel (same guy)
Talkclassical forums
+Just randomly google "X best recording" or "X reference recording" and remember, if you don't like a piece, it could be due to the recording/interpretation and need of repeated listening.
Check out Passacaglia and Fugue in C minor, listen to it a few times for a couple days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aTQ3RHDHCY
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 9:52:16 PM
No.127087915
>>127088001
The dark secret of classical is David Hurwitz's boyfriend
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 9:52:56 PM
No.127087922
>>127087934
>>127087899
This, except 19th century, and it's not even close.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 9:54:05 PM
No.127087934
>>127087948
>>127087922
That's the coward's answer anon
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 9:55:41 PM
No.127087948
>>127087934
It's the obviously correct answer. Only stuffed shirt clerk types think the 20th century was better.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 9:59:51 PM
No.127087995
>>127087899
>Shostakovich, Ravel and Satie are greater than Beethoven, Wagner and Tschaikovsky
meds now
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 10:00:09 PM
No.127088001
>>127087915
What about him?
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 10:02:01 PM
No.127088015
>>127087899
The greatest century was actually the one between 1850 and 1950
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 10:25:04 PM
No.127088266
I'll take 1820 - 1920, thank you.
Can't leave out late Beet and Chopin
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 10:26:27 PM
No.127088287
Shitpan
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 10:26:48 PM
No.127088295
Next edition: Bruch or Chopin
We've never actually had a Bruch edition it seems
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 10:34:22 PM
No.127088362
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 10:48:32 PM
No.127088526
I remember still the first time I saw the Vagner meme.
It was 73, Brahmscuck was on /classical/ with the trusty Sibelius. I'd never seen Vagner before, and found myself thoroughly entertained. I'd heard Vagner was a tranny meme, and it certainly showed in its humor. I distinctly remember smirking to the memes. But nothing could prepare me for the absolute show of wit that was about to come in first syllable of the word Vagner, when happened the eponymous vag.
Vagina! A single pun, and just after Wagner’s name! I burst out laughing. "Oh Brahmscuck" I remember thinking, barely managing to think straight at all between my chuckles and wheezing. "What a prankster! What a jokester!"
/classical/ attemped to calm me down, some even asking how I'd not known about the famous Vagner by then, popular as it was. Were they not happy one had been lucky enough to live to that point and still feel the pure, unadulterated Brahmscuck genius? Were they jealous? I did not know then, and do not care now.
I tried to calm myself, but kept chuckling all throughout the Vagners in the next post. At the edge of my seat, I waited for the repeat of the Vagner, this time hoping to control myself. Imagine my surprise then, during the next Brahmscuck post, when the Vagner surprised me further by not showing up at all! At that point I feared for my life, such was the lack of oxygen from my guffawling fit.
They only managed to removed me from the thread putting an end to my disruption after I'd already soaked the board in urine.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 10:49:35 PM
No.127088536
>>127088564
>womeme edition
>early
No thanks.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 10:49:35 PM
No.127088537
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 10:50:37 PM
No.127088549
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 10:50:40 PM
No.127088550
>>127088564
>>127088682
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 10:52:05 PM
No.127088564
>>127088601
>>127088536
>>127088550
starting OP wars is way worse than making an a 2 post early thread.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 10:54:31 PM
No.127088601
>>127088717
>>127088564
Let the adults handle OP.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 11:00:15 PM
No.127088682
>>127088550
Neu! isn't classical
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 11:02:33 PM
No.127088717
>>127088883
>>127088601
starting OP wars is not very adult
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 11:17:08 PM
No.127088883
>>127089096
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 11:36:19 PM
No.127089096
>>127088883
because there's a new one every couple days and anyone is free to make them with the composer of their choice. instead of being childish about it and starting a conflict you could have just made one first or in worst case wait until you have the opportunity next time.
