Thread 127086146

The drumset was one of the worst innovations in music of all time. Drums remove all of the subtlety from music. Any music with drums, no matter how much they try to break out of the box, the music ends up feeling the same as all the other music with drums. And I say all of this as someone who's been playing drums for 8 years.

>>127086146 (OP)
>ITT: Things nobody says

You could make this argument against literally any instrument

>>127086273
No you can't. Drums are overbearing in a way no other instrument is.

>>127086146 (OP)
>Any music with drums, no matter how much they try to break out of the box, the music ends up feeling the same as all the other music with drums.
So Art Blakey and Metallica have the same feel to you?

>>127086340
No, but Art Blakey has the same feel as every other jazz artist and Metallica has the same feel as every other metal band. And this is coming from someone who's spent years immersed in metal.

>>127086146 (OP)
I know what you mean. Sometimes I get tired of the loud thumping, banging sound and want to hear something without drums. Drums take up a lot of space in the mix, and they tend to be overpowering. Cymbals, snare and bass drum are the loudest.
But there are other types of percussion which are a little more subtle and aren't as overpowering. In traditional Irish folk music, for example, the bodhrán drum provides more of a muffled pulse than big bold banging sound. It doesn't overpower the other instruments.
Partly the problem is modern recording allows everything to be mixed so loud and clear, especially the drums. If you listen to the first few Beatles albums when they just had 4-track tape decks in the studio, the drums are pretty quiet while the vocals harmonies are the dominant thing in the mix. The tech limitations at the time meant drums and guitars were always much quieter than the vocals. I liked that arrangement.

My other pet peeve is the rhythm guitar in instrumental rock lead guitar music (which I listen to a lot). It doesn't really need to be there under the lead, and just makes the mix sound crowded because it is competing in the same frequency with the lead. Keyboard pads are much better because they sit under everything without being as intrusive.

>>127086146 (OP)
Rock drumming is a precursor to electronic beats. Rigid rhythms with no nuances.
Jazz drumming is a whole different thing.

>>127086367
If you don't hear the difference with Art Blakey and Elvin Jones, you should stop listening to music.

>>127086539
Jazz sucks

>tfw playing drums for 13 years and am no doubt better than OP
depends on the genre theres a lot of really inspired drummers, bill bruford, john french, brit walford, can's drummer. The problem when playing to a lot of genres is a drummer often feels compelled to do a simple bass snare bass bass snare or a slightly better bass..snare.base...base.snare and those always sound good but thats how you start making everything sound the same

>>127086146 (OP)
>Drums remove all of the subtlety from music
Why would I want all of my music to be subtle? If I want 'subtle' music then music like ambient / classical / prog. electronic exists without drums.
>Any music with drums, no matter how much they try to break out of the box, the music ends up feeling the same
So you could put on Talking Heads, Iron Maiden, Tony Williams, or Waylon Jennings, and you wouldn't be able to hear or feel any differences between them?
>>127086367
>but Art Blakey has the same feel as every other jazz artist
You straight up are either lying or...
...there's no other alternative. You're just lying.
If you listen to Weather Report and Peter Brotzman and think 'these sound exactly the same' then you're delusional.

>>127086146 (OP)
What youre saying is 100% true for bass guitar. Bass guitar was needed back in the day when electric guitars had a thin, weak, tinny sound. Bass does nothing but wash out all the lush lower frequencies.

As to drums, I agree that drums are overused and need to be redesigned, mainly by getting rid of the snare drum. The sound of a snare drum is just annoying and makes every song feel like the energizer bunny.

>>127086539
jazz is shit, faggot.

>>127086909
I think the extremely loud back beat that's found in almost all music nowadays is a blight. Getting rid of the snare is an interesting idea.

>>127086367
Compare Blakey's drumming to Rashied Ali, Sonny Murphy, or any other free jazz drummer amd tell me they sound alike. Until then, I'll assume this is another "genre tourist makes premature overgeneralizations due to pseud seethe" thread like 90% of OPs that make some grandiose statement of opinion as if it were fact

>>127086146 (OP)
>>127086532
why not play with more subtler drummers?

>>127086909
then the guitarist is limited to only playing chords and riffs that includes the low strings

>remove snare from every song that exists
>everything becomes an ugly analog blend of kraut and dub techno aka. portisheads third
i want it

>>127090065
The guitar was literally invented so you can play the bass part alongside the melody in a higher register.

>>127090186
what if you don't play that way?

>>127086327
Even saxophone?

>>127090193
Tough shit.

>>127086146 (OP)
I want to fight Lars Ulrich.

>>127092346
Yes

>>127086146 (OP)
I'll choose my words carefully here... But this post is a little... It's a little stock.

>>127086146 (OP)
>Drums remove all of the subtlety from music.
Not true. As you can drum SUBTLETY and thus let the other instruments dominate. Which is rare but it happens on some songs.

>>127092346
Compare Debussy's saxophone rhapsody to John Coltrane to Brown Sugar by the Rolling Stones. Doesn't have near the samifying effect that the drumset does. It's practically as versatile as a violin

mostly agree with OP.
the drums in 90% of music are intrusive.
1980's music is almost unlistenable.

this is a beautiful song, but those drums wtf:

https://youtu.be/AR8D2yqgQ1U?si=bEN6FihTWTYl_YRn

Imagine adding that to Frank Sinatra or Julie London's songs.
blasphemous

first i obviously take the obnoxious overused unnecessary hi hat away, then properly loosen the snare for feeling, allow only one tom drum..the floor...then mute the bass drum to inaudible levels or take it away too and they get one fucking cymbal a 14inch crash ride. they also have to play with only fiber brushes. if they balk they are fired and if they still play too hard and heavy i fuck their wives/girlfriends. this worked out for 9 years until i had a kid and she naturally had my exact demands and dynamics so i essentially spawned the perfect drumset accompaniment.

>>127086146 (OP)
Based anti-drum OP again. Besides, this isn't even about percussion = bad, because you can absolutely use percussion compositionally. But the drum kit, especially in its looped role in rock/pop, is artistically inert: it mostly just fills space instead of shaping it.
Imagine pop, rock, metal, electronic, etc., not being locked inside a constant, rigid drum pattern, but instead built on fluid rhythm, elastic pulse, and developmental logic. That alone would make the music much more expressive, dynamic, and narratively rich.
But normies can't tap their feet to that, so it's a non-starter.

>>127105655
>not being locked inside a constant, rigid drum pattern, but instead built on fluid rhythm, elastic pulse, and developmental logic
Only 10 people in the world would be able to make music that way. Seriously, I agree with op but this suggestion is nuts. Do you even play fucking music?

>>127086273
>everything is le the same
Does any other instrument play the same role as the modern drumkit? You really couldn't, you fucking retard.

>>127105665
>Only 10 people in the world would be able to make music that way
Seems like you have no faith in humanity and its music-making capabilities. All you need is education: teach young drummers how to write music like this and you instantly have millions. It's not impossibly hard, anon.
>Do you even play fucking music?
If I didn't, I couldn't even come up with such an idea, don't you fucking think?

>>127105691
No, because thats exactly the shit someone who doesnt play music would say. The classic "ideas guy" who has literally no clue.

>>127105719
You're basing this on absolutely nothing. I'm literally a drummer. People who don't play music don't know what the words rubato, rhythmic fluidity, developmental logic, etc., even mean. Don't be retarded.

>>127103376
Based.

>>127086146 (OP)
It's actually the cymbals that are a problem. You can make good music with drums only (pic related).

dumb thread

>>127086146 (OP)
why is he so goddamn annoying

>>127086146 (OP)
My idiot drummer in high school bought a pair of his metal sticks because
>"Dood, theyll never break!"
But he could never quite figure out why his cymbals sounded like pots and pans

If you want subtle and drumless music, listen to ambient.

>>127086242
fpbp
this site is fucking crazy

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>>127111825
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>>127112069
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>>127112069
I aint readin alla that shit, just sell your bags already

>>127103376
how many cheeses though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL9BrZ-zUpQ

>>127086146 (OP)
that's true but only the kick drum. it needs to be dropped 10db

>>127086367
that's just ridiculous. even though he's bullshitting here, look how copeland drives and changes the feel of the song just by playing different parts of the kit.
https://youtu.be/aYr1G5X4d4g

>>127086909
>um actually it's bass
>guitar tracks got replaced by bass in commercials
>drums and bass is a genre
>guitar popularity is waning
>metal bands can only be differentiated by their bassist
delusional.
lol