Thread 127088542

Bruch edition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODUM2fL2jZg&list=OLAK5uy_liI_-9574z0nfN1hHlRCXB2kf8OtAgAEo&index=5

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

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Previous: >>127059042

>>127088537
BASEDBASEDBASED https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms9o-_WT4CY

Thoughts on Mozart?

i can't stand choral works with children's choir, fucking pedo shit, i don't hate kids or anything but having children involved automatically lowers the quality and the artistic integrity of the music.

>>127088642
based

>>127088642
what about a loli choir?

>>127088642
thank you sister

>>127088642
You can't always get what you want anon

>>127088694
>having children involved
zero english reading comprehension award

>>127088736
yeah but he said pedo shit, so i assumed he specifically meant boys choirs.

Enjoyed this symphony posted a couple threads ago.
https://youtu.be/qcUbp8_YOMs

>A minor String Quintet
>Eb string quintet
>Piano quintet
>C minor string quartet
>Scottish Fantasy
>Violin concertos
>Romanze
>symphonies
>Swedish dances
>Double concerto
>....
Why is Bruch so underrated? It's because people are stupid that's why. Nazis thought he was jewish, that contributed too. It's just sad.

>>127088642
What a stupid post.

which composer would be a lolicon?

>>127088759
>liking little girls is less pedophilic than liking little boys
We're exploring new depths of retardation every new day.

I am in a world, where I am taking a stroll in a beautiful park built by the divine, suddenly my legs feel tired and request to stop. Cordially I went on ahead to sit under the shade of a chestnut tree. My fatigue washes away from me as I slip into my imaginative daydreaming, I can hear the melancholic chirping of the sparrows and the water flowing from the creeks, feel the gust of a chilly wind approaching my face, smell the rejuvenating fragrance of the good earth. But then I realize I was just listening to the start of Lohengrin. I a poor soul, venerate the gods for creating such beauty and allowing an inferior soul like me to experience it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG53S27HI5k

Handel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIQYA5cKSoQ

weird seeing her young

>>127088799
yes that is what i meant

>>127088798
Gombert

>>127088797
>Nazis thought he was jewish, that contributed too. It's just sad.
Many such cases.

>>127088798
Shotaconvich

>>127088841
kek
added to the puns list

>>127088798
Bruckner

>>127088798
all of them, it was normal for 30 year old men to marry 14 year old girls back then.

>>127088851
It’s a sisterposter classic newfriend

>>127088870
Is it? I never heard them say it

>>127088869
>back then
lol fucking zoomers think 1700s-1800s was so long ago.

>>127088820
>doesn't know what pedo means
zero greek comprehension skill award

>>127088906
i know what it means, i just disagree with it.

>>127088882
https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/118208521/#q118230477

>>127088920
virus

>>127088915
>he thinks that a 3 years old is an adult as long as she's a girl
It's over.

>>127088932
i never said that, i just think we need a word for gay pedophiles, because it's 2 levels of degeneracy, where if you're straight it's only 1 level.

>>127088927
no, it’s just desuarchive. What’s with people being neurotic about this this stuff lately

>>127088953
sorry, it was an unfunny, gay, retarded, jewish, joke.

>>127088950
You clearly said that, just indirectly. If you knew that pedophile means child lover and you disagree that it would apply to little girl lover the only way that can be if you don't acknowledge little girls as children, thus in your eyes they are adults.

>>127088993
i was lying, i actually don't know anything.

i bit my tongue really hard when i was eating, classical for this feel?

>>127089010
I noticed that retard
You're not even a /classic/ friend, fuck off back to >>>/b/

Can we go back to music discussion?
Please listen to Bruch and stop flooding /classical/

>>127087067
the 8th. Over time I've come to appreciate the first two movements more and more to where I now love them almost as much

>>127089040
what the fuck i thought i was on /tv/

>>127089085
You added a talkclassical link to OP you raging faggot I am never listening to Max Bruch in my life

let's go back to talking about who the best Scriabin interpreter is, we haven't discussed this enough.

>>127089123
Ignore everyone else, the answer is always Lettberg.

>>127089123
Sofronitsky obviously

It's clear you whelps won't cease your disrespect towards Scriabin so you may as know the score, not that'd you understand it... Heh, maybe it'll awaken something buried in the one brain cell you primitive dogs share...

10,000 years ago, when Earth was embosomed in the clouds of Saturn and Hyperborea flourished at the North Pole, Aryan mystics practiced arts to channel the powers of God-Realization. Five seals of power were consecrated, corresponding to the four elements, while the fifth... that was the Void. Texts of ancient Aryan cultures depict this with exoteric gloss. But it wasn't until Europeans rediscovered the Upanishads that the truth was known... hmph, at least to a select few, beginning with Schopenhauer...

Scriabin was the first to reawaken his vril. His sorcery took the form of what we ignorant moderns call "musick". In his last five "sonata" spells, he encoded magick to control reality in each piece. Pretty crazy, yeah? I don't expect common fools to "get it" anymore than I would the so-called "Maria Lettberg" (probably an alias... a saboteur sent to discredit the Brotherhood).

That's where I come in...I was reincarnated with the demon left hand that Scriabin wielded. Pay attention, whelp, because these are secret techniques of power concealed by the last five sonatas. My left hand speaks forth these words:

>Sonata No. 6
Reality Cavern: Gaia Crystallization, 1st Emergence Technique, Gravitation Hand
>Sonata No. 7
Unbound Mare: Flow of Sarasvati, 2nd Emergence Technique, Suction Hand
>Sonata No. 8 (dangerous to Lettberg, an Earth Elemental, which is why that bitch ruined it so thoroughly, heh)
Meteoric Aureole: Undiscovered Atmosphere, 3rd Emergence Technique, Zephyr Hand
>Sonata No. 9
Almighty Conflagration: Umbral Incinerator, 4th Emergence Technique, Agni Hand
>Sonata No. 10
Crystalline Light Absorption: Existence Totality, 5th Emergence Technique, Ruination Hand

Dogs like you should be grateful I deign to reveal such secrets... Disappear!

>>127089123
Ashkenazi

>>127089123
Lettronitsky

“verklärte nacht” is the sound of your guilt turning into a forest and kissing you

In the worlds before Scriabin, primal chaos reigned.
Heaven sought order.
But the phoenix can fly only when its feathers are grown.
The four worlds formed again and yet again,
As endless aeons wheeled and passed.
Time and the pure essences of Heaven,
the moisture of the Earth,
the powers of the sun and the moon
All worked upon a certain rock, old as creation.
And it became magically fertile.
That first egg was named "Thought".
Tathagata Buddha, the Father Buddha, said,
"With our thoughts, we make the world."
Elemental forces caused the egg to hatch.
From it then came a stone Scriabin.
The nature of Scriabin was irrepressible!

how was Scriabin so based?

Scriabin's late piano works sound like someone trying to orgasm while astral projecting into a glass palace full of snakes

Has the quality of /classical/ gone down lately or was it always like this?
Looking at the archives, it was much worse few years back, shitposts, spam and all, but I remember some good threads too. I feel some posters just left/rarely visit these days, and we're like 3 unique IPs trying to keep it alive

>>127089251
It's because of the loss of sisterposter who was one of a few who actually did talk about music.

>>127089251
bots

Roslavets is unmusical, yes?

>>127089251
the 10 days 4chan was down was effective in weening off many of the final hanger-ons so yes, it's pretty downsized now

>>127089216
Ha ha! A fine thought LOLOLOL! Whelp, you have your virtues! Should you wish for initiation, there is a "green club" in Paris with a contract waiting for you... no one knows what happens when you sign it.

>>127089123
Letroniterowitzhukovzy

>>127089314
What classical would Ankha listen to? Would she subject you to six hours of Haydn and call you a pleb who doesn't appreciate subtlety or would she be an SVS fan who looks down on you if you mention Tchaikovsky?

>>127089251
we had a period where 4chan was down for like a week and it's much better now that we have two of the biggest spammers gone, but that also means that we have less posts because there's less bait to reply to.

>>127089251
I was away for four days so naturally without my cutting insights the quality has gone down

>>127089499
There were way fewer posts in like 2023 /classical/ to the point where threads would die early. This is fanfiction.

now playing

start of Brahms: Violin Concerto in D, Op. 77
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4NF0Rf2Htc&list=OLAK5uy_mhS3PzSv-R-KnNDn3fzYzqyrCDz6lPXDI&index=2

start of Bartók: Rhapsody No. 1 for Violin and Piano, BB 94a (Sz.87)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO0960m7FS8&list=OLAK5uy_mhS3PzSv-R-KnNDn3fzYzqyrCDz6lPXDI&index=5

start of Bartók: Rhapsody No. 2 for Violin and Piano, BB 96 (Sz.89) (1928, rev.1944)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_1eWCn1VQw&list=OLAK5uy_mhS3PzSv-R-KnNDn3fzYzqyrCDz6lPXDI&index=7

start of Brahms: Hungarian Dance (selection of four)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWGwoFq6AZE&list=OLAK5uy_mhS3PzSv-R-KnNDn3fzYzqyrCDz6lPXDI&index=8

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mhS3PzSv-R-KnNDn3fzYzqyrCDz6lPXDI

>Kavakos has, at his fingertips (or, perhaps more accurately, in his bow arm) both the silvery tone that many violinists prize, as well as a gutsy generous warmth where he needs it. His double stops are effortless, and his legato sounds as if he could draw it out forever. But most of all, he has the sense to use all this intelligently and to avoid anything showy. --The Washington Post on Kavakos s Brahms Concerto

>>127089457
I feel like she might have an obsessive and exhaustive knowledge of baroque and regard everything that came after as a perversion of its purity.

Granville Bantock's music is kind of retarded but charming.
https://youtu.be/u62W92lAmPE

>>127089285
Wrong. He was the worst thing that has ever happened to this general. I reckon he is responsible for plummeting /classical/

>>127090405
You seriously have to be a complete newfag to believe this.

>>127089019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySfVB7vwDwc

>>127090416
He was constantly shitting up the general, I'm surprised I stayed

>>127089123
i like vedernikov

>>127090405
this, he's delusional

>>127090488
The general was a pigsty in 2021. He didn't by any means fix that but he and other trends like W posting did a lot to mitigate the worst effects of that period.

>>127088537
>>127088590
The ancient Germanic peoples used to drown gay pedophiles like yourself in a bog.

>>127090558
Wow is that what Germans call the boypussy oniichan

>>127088642
Why do you think “pedo” when you hear a children’s choir?

>>127090673
he's projecting

>>127089251
True OGs remember the bogposter days. That guy was something else.
>>127090405
It's true that he got out of hand, but what made me exit this general for years were the Wagner spammers. And I say that as someone who listens to quite a bit of Wagner.

listening to Beethoven's Hammerklavier everyday until I fully get it

>>127090776
Once you fully get it, you'll be disappointed with 99% of the performances.

>>127090874
r8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BOzjEgxl8w&list=OLAK5uy_nnGkkuJ4lQTqShj3fWwz8RjEOICSW9RF0&index=93

>>127090761
Oh man thanks for the the trip down memory lane, I started the Bach has autism meme and he took it to a whole new level that I never could Imagine

I shilled Zelenka, Grieg, Borodin, and Ravel here as well and when CLT finally added Ravel in his chart I felt so proud

>>127090932
I miss the good old days.

>>127090761
>>127090932
I think i made that Brahms Violon conceto [pst as well.

>tfw in a screencap

>>127090946
>>127090761
>2014-16
>bach on piano
Why were oldfags so ignorant in the ways of the HIP?

>>127090946
harsh but funny

>>127090946
The glory days, I think Biber's popularity here and in the classical community was the result of Calciums shitposting.

At times like these I think of the Master of Music and Poetry in whose name this general was consecrated. Wagner would not have allowed his discord kittens to grow so unruly. With his integral and organic conception of the artwork he would, while paying the respect due to those composers out of whose genius was formed these pristine instruments of musical understanding, recognize these matters as beneath the dignity of the true artist for whom they are but tools of his unified expression. Come, let us embrace one another as sisters and retreat to the seraglio to repose in profound meditation upon the works of the Master.

https://youtu.be/yF0pwSC7qWg

>>127090990
because fucking harpsichords are so readily available

Beethoven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EPa83oJ8pQ&list=OLAK5uy_m1i2kjrmWTjjnI0KEx7krIopgtRHZEjAE&index=18

he looks so happy

>>127090946
>>127091016
I was lurking in this thread as well hahahah

>>127090601
>>127088759
>>127088694
>>127088642
>>127088537
>>127088590
>>127088841
>>127088798
>>127090761

>>127091131
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/pol/ instead?

>>127091158
Leave kids alone

Bruckner's 7th Symphony in E major WAB 107, "the Cunnysaur"
https://youtu.be/NeYZI_tIp9E

>>127091202
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/pol/ instead?

>>127091219
It has to do with the fact that you keep sexualizing children…

mystic chord? more like misgendered chord

this is the worst /classical/ thread since that guy crashing-out over China and Taiwan

>>127091230
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/pol/ instead?

>>127091249
Stop being a fookin’ nonce, mate!

>>127091262
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/pol/ instead?

>>127091270
Have you tried leaving children alone?

>>127091278
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/pol/ instead?

>>127091286
Have you tried not being a nonce?

>>127091315
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/pol/ instead?

>>127091323
How about you try to stop sexualizing children?

Mahler Symphony No. 4 in G, "The Mesugaki"
https://youtu.be/r9EtgdBeFeM

>>127091357
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/pol/ instead?

wait wait, Bruch actually has three symphonies? wtf, why didn't anyone tell me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jntFBNcxa3E

>>127091387
Anime posters really are pedophiles, aren’t they?

>>127091417
Not sure what “shota” has to do with classical either to be honest, nonce

>>127091417
How about you stay away from little boys?

Scriabin "Le Poème d'imouto"
https://youtu.be/rHsM988bzuM

>try to find new recording of string quartets
>find recording
>see review
>"Qualities that characterise the Armida Quartett’s performances include minimal vibrato..."
pass

>>127091446
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/pol/ instead?

if Mozart was so good, why doesn't he have any string sextets?

>>127091479
Have you tried getting psychological help?

>>127091509
Because he was a sex haver and had no need for a musical imitation. Brahms was not and unsurprisingly produced masterpieces in the sextet form.

>>127091510
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/pol/ instead?

>>127091529
damn, my brahmsaganda has been thwarted yet again. your tribute,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf-7ITCNGG0&list=OLAK5uy_lAqFV3542Kd7f1ohgOzA3CQnJZz2uf5iA&index=84

>>127091548
Have you tried a mental asylum?

>>127091457
>>127091387
>>127091206
Mahler 9, "Cirno"?

>>127091569
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/pol/ instead?

>>127091629
Get thee to a mental asylum

>>127091596
Hmm... based
Mahler
https://youtu.be/jKK9N0BPqdo

>>127091655
>can't use special characters
tragic...
"Cirno" it is

>>127091676
>>127091655
>>127091457
>>127091387
Fookin nonce

>>127091632
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/pol/ instead?

>>127091683
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try a psych ward instead?

amadeus amadeus amadeus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVPOrxAZ4qA&list=OLAK5uy_lAqFV3542Kd7f1ohgOzA3CQnJZz2uf5iA&index=85

>>127091687
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/pol/ instead?

127091711
Shouldn’t have let everyone know that you are a pedophile…

It's crazy how much the classic seating arrangement improves music before the 20th century. Just listen to the end of Mendelssohn's Hebrides Overture.
>Abbado (modern seating arrangement, 1st and 2nd violins on the left)
https://litter.catbox.moe/t8szanx62nbx6ktx.mp3
>Klemperer (classic seating arrangement, 1st and 2nd violins split)
https://litter.catbox.moe/hm7g8ek98l3182e5.mp3
So many antiphonal effects and string textures are completely lost in the Abbado version. It sounds positively muddy by comparison. It's crazy how the vast majority of 20th century conductors dumped the old orchestral arrangement for the shitty modern one

>>127091720
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/pol/ instead?

now playing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY0VH1dkwj4

>>127091724
Huh, I always thought this was a result of mastering and/or something to do with mono/stereo. Turns out I have noticed the difference this whole time, just didn't know that's what it was. Why did they switch?

127091729
Three easy steps for turning your life around:
1. Go to a psychologist
2. Tell them that you are a pedophile
3. ?

>>127091769
Unc:
3. Pray to Jesus for forgiveness

>>127091729
let the kids do their own thing, groomer

>>127091720
Unc cooking

>>127091769
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/pol/ instead?

>>127091797
Nice ebonics but this isn't the "rap" thread.

>>127091824
stop being so sus with the children

>>127091824
zoomers are niggers.

127091800
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try a psych ward instead?

>>127091841
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/pol/ instead?

is this the people applying for asylum thread?

Lili Boulanger
https://youtu.be/1OERJAjoHRY

127091854
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try a bog instead?

>>127091855
just a sisterposter episode

>>127091891
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/pol/ instead?

127091909
Spamming the same reply like the low IQ cretin that he is…

>>127091909
get some fresh content

>>127091919
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/pol/ instead?

>>127091838
The absolute last thing this thread needs is an influx of diddygatari ahh media blud twitterfags but that does seem to be the direction of the whole internet.

>>127091956
>diddygatari ahh media blud twitterfags
what?

Händel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DShxWQkEZ4

127091938
You remind of Grendel, sisterposter

>>127091966
Lucky you that you haven't encountered it.

"The Estrogen Chord"

Delibes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WATMctEjp70&list=OLAK5uy_mRs-w22Lj8y3HY03FV37lwFK9kM_RCUz4&index=2

>>127091956
the only good thing zoomers will ever do is serve as a warning to future generations not to expose their children to electronics and social media slop in their developing years.

Best recordings of Bach’s St John Passion ?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deqfQHsdhdw

Best recordings of Bach’s St John Passion?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deqfQHsdhdw

>>127092066
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVhoJ5TK5u0
based cobra uploaded on yt

>>127092066
Richter, Jochum, Britten

unless you prefer HIP

>>127092106
What are the best HIP recordings?

>>127092116
Herreweghe, Gardiner, Suzuki

Maybe Harnoncourt

>>127092140
What’s wrong with Harnoncourt?

>>127092140
Friendly reminder, it’s not HIP if female vocalists are involved.
Bach used boy sopranos, not women.

Women were not allowed to speak in church.

>>127092213
Nothing, I just always pair those other three as the trio of HIP together.

>>127092242
They use female vocalists. They are not historically informed.

>>127092245
HIP doesn't have to be 100% historically accurate.

>>127092259
If it is not historically accurate, it’s not HIP

>>127092265
HIP HIP Hooray!

That's my way of saying I don't care.

>>127092271
The human voice is a musical instrument. Bach did not use female sopranos. If you permit women, you might as well allow pianos, too.

>>127092324
lol you're really dying to debate on this point, aren't you? well I refuse to play along

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbI_fKGpv6A&list=OLAK5uy_mfBUC0ryy0c7MYoUnu7uSMM4ID0BCIy10&index=24

That's my reply.

>>127092324
further proof that Christianity is gay.

>>127092358
historically "informed" is the key

Drum kits in symphonies or Mahler hammers in rock bands?

>>127092342
>straight men prefer listening to women

speaking of Harnoncourt, Hurwitz has this as a reference recording for Mozart's Requiem (this is Harnoncourt's second traversal of the piece, he has a more famous, previous recording on Warner)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0hYGIQkSG0&list=OLAK5uy_ky5Dk-2QJ5sq1LNjeCXfjXrAOLzRSwbPE&index=9

The greatest composer of keyboard and chamber music after Buxtehude and before Bach.

>Les concerts royaux
>les nations
>clavecin pieces

>>127092363
Cope

If you can’t listen to boys sing without thinking about pedophiles, then you are probably a pedophile

>>127092372
yes. straight men don't want to ban women from singing the soprano and alto parts in church.

Tell me which culture/ethnicity dominated each time period

>Medieval
French
>Renaissance
Belgian/Netherlandish
>Baroque
Italian/French
>Classical
Austrian
>Romantic
German/Russian
>Modern
French

>>127092405
Yet they did…

>>127092399
composers who write many choral pieces for boy choirs tend to be gay.

>>127092421
Projection. You are a pedophile.

>>127092358
Chad Schumann

>>127092432
it's statistically true. Benjamin Britten is the most obvious example.

>>127092451
>one example
Statistically irrelevant.

>>127092479
insignificant*
And he wasn’t Christian.

>>127092378
This + Brahms Requiem + Bach St John Passion, Harnoncourt is a damn good choral conductor

Sinopoli!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qufCpPGCFCk&list=OLAK5uy_lnyKZ4B1cmeuoKAmA2A-lcJ0MhFI49l_0&index=1

>>127092405
>Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
1 Corinthians 14:34-36

>>127092569
further proof that meds and semites are faggots.

>>127092602
Did Luther or Calvin challenge it?
>holds up three fingers

This makes for an amusing read
https://www.bach-cantatas.com/Topics/Women-4.htm
> Doug Cowling wrote (February 10, 2005):
John Pike wrote:
> I could not warm to Harnoncourt's recording here. I was put off, once again, by the boy singers, who sometimes seemed to be struggling to reach the higher notes. The opening chords seemed more like screeches than audible notes. >One of the interesting features of the period performance industry is that the white English sound of singers such Emma Kirkby, which was developed by conductors to revive the Renaissance music of Taverner and Sheppard, is now the established ideal for Bach. Although their training method was certainly influenced by bel canto technique, German boys typically sing with a full, somewhat rough tone which is light-years away from the overly-controlled, overly-mannered sound favoured as "authentic" Bach soprano sound. It's amazing how quickly this model and that of countertenors for altos has become normative in period performances of Bach.

>>127091754
Some British conductor thought it would be a cool idea to bunch the violins together for MUH string sound. Stokowski and Koussevitzky followed suit and the rest is history.

Here's a list of conductors that use the OG seating (most of the time, anyways):
Monteux
Honeck
Erich and Carlos Kleiber
Tilson Thomas
Zinman
Mackerras
Kubelik
Morris
Maderna (sometimes??)
Chailly (post-Concertgebouw)
Gielen
Klemperer
Norrington
Hengelbrock
Swarowsky
Gergiev
Petrenko
Reiner (early stereo only, stopped after 1957)
Gilbert
Jurowski (sometimes)
Runnicles
Nott
Sladkovsky
Barenboim (post CSO)
Harnoncourt
Oramo
Mravinsky
Bohm (Bayreuth Wagner performances, Bruckner 4th, and Brahms PC2 ONLY. The rest use modern seating)
I. Fischer
Blomstedt (after San Fransisco)
Scherchen (for his stereo Eroica and Pastorale only)
Dausgaard
Harding

Yes, I'm autistic.

>>127092680
you got me there with Luther but I don't care about anything Calvin said.

>>127092775
O_O

Thank you.

>>127092707
HIP is nothing more than an excuse for making budget cuts. It has nothing to do with history.

>>127092812
OK, Hurwitz.

I’m not even one of those annoying Wagner cultists who spam retarded pseudointellectual quotes from him, but Parsifal is still probably the greatest work of music ever made. Watched it again tonight. Profound. Beautiful. Utterly astonishing.

>>127092841
He is right

>>127092857
Parsifal was Wagner's response to Nietzsche and it broke his mind beyond repair.

>>127092860
He's sometimes right. There are some HIPsters who are genuinely applying good musicology to their craft. Like with any movement there's good and bad parts.

>>127092905
True, Harnoncourt and Leonhardt for example.

I don’t care if they use Female vocalists in Bach, so long as they don’t make a pretense of being historically informed.

>>127092977
Herreweghe, Gardiner, Suzuki are big offenders of this

>>127092889
Do it again, uncle billy!

>>127092544
Love you Sinopoli and your Bruckner but goddamn this is his weakest by far.

The Gergiev/Trifonov recording of Tchaikovsky's first piano concerto isn't on YouTube Music, lame. Pogorelich/Abbado it is then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlPtyqexpnU&list=OLAK5uy_mQ_NNfO8eMuqo1X3_GdpKxGMOGlKchGMU&index=1&t=1s

Real nigga hours
Post some Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qHWdlkgosQ

>>127093943
Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWVNv3SyzoA

Sir Roger Norrington has passed away at 91.

>>127091131
>>127091202
>>127091219
not sure why my posts were included in this but i never sexualized children, i just hate the sound of children's choirs, kids can't sing for shit.

I NEED MORE CUMPOSERS PLEASE
MAYBE SOME LESSER KNOWN ONES?
THANKS

what is the name of that piano piece that goes do-do-do do-do-do-do-doo-do-do do-do-do do-do-do-do-doo-do-do?

>>127092857
This is true. Even Hurwitz looked visibly pained and started saying contradictory things when talking about how Parsifal profoundly moved him.

>>127094602
Nothing of musical value was lost.

>>127094827
Just stop being a fookin’ nonce, mate

best filmed version of Lohengrin?

Real nigga hours ended here:
>>127094602

>>127092230
Thank you pedosister

>>127094827
You show up at the same time every day:
127081767

>>127095142
Get thee to a mental asylum, sister toaster

>>127095152
>127081767
that was not me you fucking schizo

>>127095171
Lying nonce

>>127095181
ok retard believe whatever you want

>>127095181
He's right though, it was me

>>127095185
>>127095189
Pic related is you

‘nittke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKuMJL1qdnw

Handel

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=HJgah-0RHlc

Raff
https://youtu.be/2iCIxlGPzxc?si=N2DOaAtk9w_-jfHb
https://youtu.be/8wWAiLX_vvA?si=5zcvT60gZ2fdgR_d
https://youtu.be/7YTaFw2dGKY?si=AVOtjXdBUPqHIdOy

Haydn
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=lDXPC5QGrLE

Mozart


https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=UhPBT0dA_oA

Kaminski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biUHlvnYryg

>>127094602
S to Spit
S

okay that's rude. But good riddance.

Bach
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=u7VSBR9llBA

Pachelbel
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-GMDDvXs6g

alright, let's give this Richard Goode Beethoven piano sonatas set a try

1st
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUiPi-xWwuI&list=OLAK5uy_khz8jF98pUvoSpKfaAv8rRNmLkOf58B1U&index=2

2nd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0bckD_EOwE&list=OLAK5uy_khz8jF98pUvoSpKfaAv8rRNmLkOf58B1U&index=6

3rd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CLvQPxDvFA&list=OLAK5uy_khz8jF98pUvoSpKfaAv8rRNmLkOf58B1U&index=9

>It's interesting that the great Beethoven sonata cycles areseldom the ones by the big-name virtuosos. Horowitz never attempted one. Neither did Rubinstein. Ashkenazy recorded them all, but with only partial success. Richter never managed all 32 works at one time, and Gilels died before completing his cycle. The most successful complete recordings--Schnabel, Kempff, Arrau, and Backhaus--are all by pianists with a solidly intellectual mindset, however powerful their technique. Goode joins this select company, turning in performances of uncompromising integrity and musical strength. Of course, his reputation as a musician's musician precedes him: here is a player sensitive to Beethoven's every nuance, presenting the composers thoughts with exemplary clarity and taste. This is the Beethoven cycle for the '90s. --David Hurwitz

It's either this one or the Brendel set, which I still might opt for.

>>127090874
Confusion and disappointment is the classical experience

My issue with the Hammerklavier is I don't know what emotions it's meant to evoke. It's too emotionally opaque, too formalist and virtuosic.

>>127096625
Style = substance

>>127092379
Coperin

Give me pieces with long sonata form movements up to 20 minutes that aren't written by Liszt, Furtwangler, Mahler, Bruckner, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky, Shostakovich, or any of the people well known in this field. Also do not have it be a symphonic poem.

>>127096684
Check out Gliere's symphonies. Franz Schmidt's symphonies. Weinberg.

>>127096531
Wow, I gotta say, with regards to performances I'm hearing for the first time, I haven't heard these first few sonatas sound so good in a long time, this is excellent. Now I'm very excited for the rest.

What that one anon said about Goode's approach being a bit dry is true, but the other pianists I've been listening to lately perform Beethoven, a somewhat limpid touch isn't the worst thing right now.

>>127096684
Ferdinand Ries

>>127096625
I don't know man. Hammerklavier is just chock full of earworms that get stuck in my head for weeks if I even think of them. Starting from the very first theme which is quite simple but VERY effective, which then develops into a fughetta that grabs your ears and refuses to leave
https://youtu.be/DUYsH0gb3N8?feature=shared&t=364
How can you not like this?
And the slow movement is pure nostalgia, sorrow, it's as emotional as it can get.

>>127096714
>What that one anon said about Goode's approach being a bit dry is true
That was me. I guess I'll check his sonatas once more, I'm kinda in Appassionata mood these days, hope he doesn't disappoint.

>>127096746
It's Beethoven made to sound like Bach is the best way to describe Goode's sound. If you'd ask me on a different day I'd probably reject such a cycle, but like I said, at the moment it's coming off as refreshing.

Of course, I'm only just now starting to listen to the second piano sonata (I tackle these sets in order generally), so maybe it gets worse as it goes on. I do tend to get overly excited with a set if it gets off to a good start, leaving me unable to properly rate it until I get a bit of hindsight.

Hovaness Symphony 10 Vahaken

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuVx05FYA8w&list=RDXuVx05FYA8w&start_radio=1&ab_channel=whapcowy

>>127096695
>>127096726
Man are there any composers who were as consistent as Bruckner and Mahler in terms of writing lengthy works of instrumental/semi-instrumental music at all?

Drumming Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWB-6XABGAg&ab_channel=SmallDotsEnsemble

>>127096832
Just listen to tone-poems/wagnerian opera. Get over the sonata form obsession.

Bruch symphony no.3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfEE-GoJS2E
Who needs a 20 minute long movement when you have this brilliance

>>127096736
More respected than loved

>>127096625
>Rubinstein plays us the first part of the Opus 106 Sonata, and our delight is boundless! … Richard: “It is like being taken into the workshop of the Will, one sees everything moving and stirring as if in the bowels of the earth.” — “Anyone who could translate this into words would have the key to the enigma of the world.” — “Cries of passion to which the workshop opens its doors.” — “Not even Shakespeare can be compared to it, for what he has created is too closely connected with the world’s misery.” — “In the symphony Beeth. lets others play, here he himself is playing.” “And all that in the form of a sonata—what a sonata!”

>>127097162
>workshop of the Will

imagine this - a competition for who can write the most boring symphonies of all time, the competitors: bruckner and mahler
who you got /class/?

>>127097715
Both have lows and highs, but I guess Mahler is more consistent, so Hoofner wins this one

>>127097715
Mahler's symphonies all roll into a single, uninteresting leviathan of Jewish neuroticism, meanwhile Bruckner could actually write original melodies.

>>127097816
>all roll into a single, uninteresting leviathan of Jewish neuroticism

>>127094901
Whats the tempo

>>127097715
Neither; Brahms

>>127098009
you must have misread. the criteria was "most boring" not "greatest".

>>127098009
>you must have correctly read, the criteria was "most boring", congratulations.

>>127097816
Weird claim since Bruckner’s symphonies are way more similar to each other than Mahler’s and he was probably more neurotic.

>>127098335
Bruckner's symphonies are more similar in style, but not content, which is beside the point since Bruckner's style on the whole is much more original than Mahler', and Bruckner was definitely not more neurotic than Mahler.

Scriab Fantasie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_Gein9xqB4&list=RDc_Gein9xqB4&start_radio=1&ab_channel=ForteTwoMusic

People always talk about how a certain composer is neurotic, but no one mentions openness (Scriabin, Beethoven, Wagner, CPE Bach), conscientiousnes (Schubert, Mozart, Brahms) ,extraversion (Liszt, who else?) and agreeableness (idk, Chopin? Liszt again? J.S. Bach for sure)

>>127098344
The guy could not stop revising his symphonies. Bruckner was probably the single most neurotic composer in history.

>>127098526
They talk about it because it’s a /pol/ buzzword for Jews.

>>127098526
People love to insult stuff over all else.

>>127097816
Mahler wasn't jewish, that is a jewish lie, stupid /pol/ fags believe everything they read on wikipedo.

>>127098535
Doubting oneself does not necessarily equal neuroticism. Bruckner didn't quite experience the same depth of distress and self-hatred as Mahler did at times.

>>127098675
lmao basically all of bachs vocal music isnt counterpoint
L meme

>>127098696
Lol only homosexuals listen to his vocal music

>>127098675
i lol'd

>>127098696
>mao basically all of bachs vocal music isnt counterpoint

What to do with all those opening choirs??

>>127098696
You must be kidding

>>127098781
Add a drum kit and make it counterpoint

Bonsoir, sirs
https://youtu.be/Ym6TKJWWJAQ?

>>127098870
>not messieurs

>>127098925
It doesn't have the same ring to it, sir

>>127098933
merci Francais sœur

>>127098960
soeur francaise

>>127098788
It's true, not even the pedagogy considers it polyphony
They teach it as a homophonic texture with 'passing notes'

>>127099223
you're a homophonic pedagoue

Bach - Sonata No. 3 in D Minor, BWV 527
https://youtu.be/J6jl0_QVX5c

>>127098620
here you dropped this

>>127098620
*Mendelssohn
/pol/ is run by Jews by the way, numbskull.

turns out both Mendelssohn and Mahler were Jewish

>>127101944
> And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

>>127096531
Seems like a cycle for boomers.

listen to Kurt Atterberg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZcsKMet09A

Anyone else find Bach's Sonatas and Partitas for Solo Violin emotionally opaque?

>>127097162
Beautifully said but doesn't actually mean anything. Maybe that's the answer: you either get it and feel it in your soul or you don't.

brahms

>>127088542 (OP)
Dude, why does classical music sound so much better in vintage quality?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18FLgB28ias&list=PLy_sFE0vLIaNxkXv_xWnwM34alZ1oKQDO

been having to use the fan these past few days because of how hot it's been and now I can barely hear the music I'm playing on my computer, rip

bodily discomfort or aesthetic malnourishment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N24qL7KI8U&list=OLAK5uy_mAG9JpOt49H-OXVqyfpYWM67cu7xV5X9c&index=10

!!!!

Bach
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=3cCrVAfS9y4

>>127105482
Try this instead
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=gCpRKNimQWE

>>127105482
>>127105499
can i play too?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2UoI2-SbwM&list=OLAK5uy_k4Ws4RPjZq2fMeFZOo0ALhtab8-dybmEk&index=15

>>127105326
Get an air conditioner; it’s 2025.

>>127105522
sure friend

now playing

start of Brahms: Symphony No. 1 in C Minor, Op. 68
www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWkX9Wft7TM&list=OLAK5uy_mGRsxGtZ7-c-GNa4ElGjZxllHxS3IEOfs&index=1

start of Brahms: Symphony No. 2 in D, Op. 73
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUyCE_RwlJ4&list=OLAK5uy_mGRsxGtZ7-c-GNa4ElGjZxllHxS3IEOfs&index=13

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mGRsxGtZ7-c-GNa4ElGjZxllHxS3IEOfs

good night

Hummel
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=paQjDbiEnNU

I want to go back to being a harmonious blacksmith
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=wqVKwJEDZmo

brump
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=1nDmDQaQdLE

>>127106525
>>127106525
>>127106525
New