Thread 127106525

Bach edition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUARwmLBk8o

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://rentry.org/classicalgen
This link has compilation of the top recommended lists:
https://www.talkclassical.com/threads/compilation-of-the-tc-top-recommended-lists.17996/

Previous: >>127088542

>talkboomer in OP
Why not add Reddit’s list too, go the whole hog

Magnificat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkpiyoicbZw

Händel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DShxWQkEZ4

Purcell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymbLGtwIgWw

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pocz2yoAcsY

>>127106764
She is playing in Leipzig next week

>>127106732
He was a big Beethoven fan.
Beethoven is probably the most accessible classical composer. Epstein was a normie.

>>127106732
>>127106839
Fancied himself the Emperor.

>>127106956
Beethoven was writing for Napoleon

>>127106839
Epstein also had a piano playlist.
Harpsichord bros win again!

>>127106976
...right. Epstein fancied himself a modern day emperor.

>>127107125
which tempo is the best one for sex

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iGnu8XBSis&list=PLJcuQ6Eht9DHta_VFnxHQY3y_U5SXa01y&index=3

another day of Beethoven piano sonatas, this time with the recently passed Alfred Brendel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvjRkLQwAjg&list=OLAK5uy_nezqo6LWYy50kbYTMhsc8w58jQ6GtGfCk&index=58

now playing

start of Prokofiev: Piano Sonata No. 6 in A Major, Op. 82
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsccXv5H1Zo&list=OLAK5uy_nTYZczOBx_JUhE4UCh1lqmNm_pYCNmo4k&index=2

start of Prokofiev: Piano Sonata No. 4 in C minor, Op. 29
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI3EnhDsbzQ&list=OLAK5uy_nTYZczOBx_JUhE4UCh1lqmNm_pYCNmo4k&index=6

Prokofiev: Sonata for Piano No. 1 in F minor, Op. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTAmOvnQzRo&list=OLAK5uy_nTYZczOBx_JUhE4UCh1lqmNm_pYCNmo4k&index=8

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nTYZczOBx_JUhE4UCh1lqmNm_pYCNmo4k

>>127106549
Do they have a list my goy?

>>127107487
:ooo

gonna read it rn. went to removepaywall and this link worked, hopefully works for ya'll
http://archive.today/bNPHf

>>127107487
How is this fat poof getting articles about him when his videos don’t even crack 10k views on average?

>>127107487
>YouTube star

>>127107605
why hate?

And maybe the writer is a regular on his website and came across his videos. Or, more likely, Hurwitz has connections through the network of J's.

First for Beethoven + Anya Taylor-Joy
https://youtu.be/pPf1iKitQ7E

What do you, fellas, think of Masaaki Suzuki and the Bach Collegium Japan? I personally find the recordings of the masses excellent, and also very much enjoy his solo organ recordings of Bach.

>>127107626
Because he’s not a successful channel (most get like 5k views maybe)but he’s being artificially elevated by YouTube and now the New Yorker it causes my Jewdar to go off(it goes off when I suspect I’m being Jewed) and to top it off he’s being shilled here by Portland pussies.
I just don’t like to see injustice in the world

>>127107672
Completely bloodless

>>127107672
On the occasions I've been in the mood for the HIP approach, his recordings have been alright; I prefer Herreweghe but I prefer Suzuki to Gardiner and others. His traversal of the Bach cantatas is excellent.

>>127107692
Hurwitz has been a well-known (and somewhat controversial) music critic for decades though

>>127106525 (OP)
/classical/ please help me!

I'm searching for a recording of Skizzen by Dorothy Chang. It is a work derivative of Beethoven's 5th, utilizing the same orchestra. It's kind of a modern retelling of Beethoven's 5th, and I really liked it, even if it removed anything and everything permanent from Beethoven's 5th.

I heard it live and really enjoyed it, but now I can't find any recording. Here's an excerpt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgNwBwrvY7c

>>127107605
It's a rather niche subject, and I am sure his numbers are relatively more indicative of success than someone who reviews a Labubu for 100,000 people, because I guarantee you that 90% of the people that watch a favorable review of David Hurwitz is going to buy or stream the recording

>>127107692
>and to top it off he’s being shilled here by Portland pussies.
hey >:(

Outside of excerpts from his reviews, I don't Hurwitz-post at all.

>>127107709
Have you tried searching on soulseek? If it's not on Youtube and you've already tried googling around a bit, then that's your next best bet.

>>127107672
His Mozart doesn't leave much of an impression.

>>127107719
Just tried that, nothing from Dorothy Chang is there, tried Skizzen and there were some results but that's clearly unrelated works.

>>127107672
the Cantatas are excellent, but there are better recordings for the other works.

https://slippedisc.com/2025/07/when-sir-roger-norrington-returned-to-life/

Shots fired.

>>127108198
You're fired, you're washed up you're retired

Jansons!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fbA8HuhJI4&list=OLAK5uy_lXrCQPVqRIieAXh7X9XFnt93Br_H15k8M&index=1

>>127108388
Check em

>>127107672
he's a calvinist

>>127108458
he's japanese

>>127107290
at double beat

>>127107290
Heftig drängend

>>127107290
A solemn Adagio watched by Karajan

>>127106525 (OP)
>Bach edition
András Schiff's Bach interpretations are brilliant

>>127109864
His interpretations are sloppy at best, but that is to be expected from a Orbán hating commie

>>127109864
I've heard people complain about him but don't blame him blame Bach, Anders is just playing what Bach wrote-if it sounds boring it's Johnann's fault

>>127106839
Beethoven is definitely not the most accessible classical composer. In fact many of his pieces are very bewildering. ie. The late quartets. But that's just my opinion

Drumming part 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB-woRXwY-Q&list=RDRB-woRXwY-Q&start_radio=1&ab_channel=spiritualarchive

I think Steve needs to work on his titles btw, he's 88 he's still got time

>>127109998
/pol/ tourist MAGA trash detected. I can tell you haven't listened to the album.

>>127109999
checked and based. the people complaining about him are complaining about things unrelated to music.

https://tempodeconhecer.blogs.sapo.pt/pianist-andras-schiff-refuses-to-play-264938

Scriabin Fantasie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_Gein9xqB4&ab_channel=ForteTwoMusic

sounds like Danny Elfman Batman

https://youtu.be/wIBtWyKj-vA?
Dvorak

>>127109998
People criticize him for playing too gently or without enough passion. Basically - playing Bach from a pianists perspective and not trying to emulate harpsichord. I disagree, but I get where they're coming from.
But calling him sloppy? That's just absurd. His playing is extremely controlled and precise. Even when playing all 6 Bach partitas in a row from memory.

>>127110197
>playing Bach from a pianists perspective and not trying to emulate harpsichord

Not exactly true.

>When performing Bach, Schiff avoids using the sustain pedal, following the advice of renowned harpsichordist George Malcolm (1917-1997). “He told me not to play Bach with the pedal, but to play it with your hands and not with your feet.

best recording of Art Of The Fuge on piano?

>>127110250
Aimard is good, but ask Hurwitz, I guess

>>127110245
Well two things can be true at the same time. Actually - he does play with the pedal occasionally, otherwise it is very difficult to connect the voices.
If anything, he is disliked by both groups. The harpsichord lovers don't like him because he uses dynamics and plays in a subtle way. The romantics don't like him because he doesn't use the pedal.
But anyways - my point was there are indeed a lot of criticisms of him, but almost never is it that he is "sloppy"

>>127110393
Does Sviatoslav Richter use the pedal?

>Noooo stop calling this a triple fugue this is not a triple fugue, the second fugue subject, 6/4 never combines with the two others.
>Nooooo stop there is no triple fugue, because without a single fugal exposition this is not even a fugue
Why are people like this?

>>127107626
...because his content sucks maybe?

>>127110949
>why do people care about the correct definitions of things?

>>127106525 (OP)
Going to see Mahler 7 tomorrow at the Proms. Not my favourite but pretty interesting nonetheless.
Anyone have any thoughts on it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdxvC7NNSLQ&t=4381s

>>127109864
his early ones, yeah

What is a good recording of Komm süßer Tod? Every recording online seems to be an arrengement

>>127111899
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpbJWx_NzcU

>>127110250
Trifonov and Nikolayeva are my two favorites.

Others I often return to include Aimard, Nosrati Schaghajegh, and Koroliov.

>>127111325
I'm jealous, hope you enjoy.

>So, to the extent that any work of Mahler's middle period is "about" anything, this is a symphony about Night and responses to it. But this is too often taken to mean "Night" for Mahler means emotional darkness: night as metaphor for tragedy and despair. This is not necessarily so. Night is also Evening when we relax and turn off from the day, Night is when we sleep for refreshment, Night is when we dream, and most dreams are not nightmares. There is also one more important aspect to Night and that's the promise of the return of Day followed by the Day itself. The two outer movements, the first and fifth, set this frame for the pattern of "Night and the return of Day" and the three central movements depict what Night can hold: convivial evenings with friends, walks at dusk, telegrams from Vienna, news of loved ones far away, and (in the 4th movement) nights of love. Also that all-important promise that a new day will finally come. I may be being more descriptive and programmatic than Mahler would want me to be, but I don't think a little imagination here can do any harm and even I can be persuaded, under the right circumstances, that another approach is valid.

>>127106592
It's such a shame people only think of Hallelujah when they think of the Messiah.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMKDUTnP1BA

Beethoven's 28th Piano Sonata is so good. Favorite recording(s)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9aaVezdvH4

>>127112459
https://youtu.be/SEL0jfz8FB0?list=RDSEL0jfz8FB0&t=831

>>127112498
Arrau is transcendent

Beethoven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF96pgmLVeQ&list=OLAK5uy_m_UItqFSOTpTVWq3mPA85PS4UXKOwXGbs&index=8

lmao wtf

>>127112646
whos playing?

>>127112664
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTG06bECDwg&list=OLAK5uy_lqj0sPb7cDAjvF2gP97ebpw25Lgr0fqmI&index=118

>>127112674
it's like a person slowly dying of starvation
cursed

>>127111979
Wtf is this.

Was rewatching Lolita and was more shocked by how good the score was than whatever the film was about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ-z6CzxGSA

>>127113073
is that the mahler 5 adagietto?

jk, that does sonud great

no more s(chiff)hitposting

Blomstedt!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j1x9t2mCg8&list=OLAK5uy_kaqFqUByp_CNFNtepboUe6DTxa0p0yztI&index=21

>>127113094
>is that the mahler 5 adagietto?
literally the exact same thing i thought when first listening to it

now playing

start of Mozart: String Quartet No. 19 in C Major, K. 465 "Dissonance"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeme3MzBsOw&list=OLAK5uy_lAqFV3542Kd7f1ohgOzA3CQnJZz2uf5iA&index=67

start of Mozart: String Quartet No. 20 in D Major, K. 499 "Hoffmeister"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svLwNapNYgQ&list=OLAK5uy_lAqFV3542Kd7f1ohgOzA3CQnJZz2uf5iA&index=71

start of Mozart: String Quartet No. 21 in D Major, K. 575 "Prussian No. 1"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE_AJ_ONuM0&list=OLAK5uy_lAqFV3542Kd7f1ohgOzA3CQnJZz2uf5iA&index=81

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lAqFV3542Kd7f1ohgOzA3CQnJZz2uf5iA

Loving this set.

>>127109864
He's good if you like your music interpreted like a MIDI.
>>127112646
Yeah, I remember that performance. He takes it very up to Beethoven's tempo in all the movements except the slow one. It's pretty weird.

>>127114011
Beautiful adagios have the power to lead men astray.

what are the good Roger Norrington (rip) recordings anyway? He surely must have some to have reached his stature, unless it's all negativity and infamy.

>>127114011
I do like my bach interpreted like a MIDI thank you

the Blomstedt/Gewandhaus Bruckner 3 is so fuckin' good I can hardly believe it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th43c6xb6i8&list=OLAK5uy_lfO0D9nEkr5K3Y2guLjYSdcJG2JqDLlyE&index=10

https://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=729

It’s official. Mendelssohn is not a real Jew.

>>127111325
Enjoy your borderline Jew music
https://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=529

>>127114854
>Few men knew Mahler better than the artist and set designer Alfred Roller, who worked with him on his epoch-making productions at the Vienna Court Opera and who convincingly summed up the problem in the words: ‘Mahler never hid his Jewish ancestry. But it gave him no pleasure.’ Roller also reports the following remark: ‘People should listen to my works and allow those works to affect them, either accepting them or rejecting them. But they should leave at home their positive or negative prejudices against the work of the Jew. I demand this as my right.’

>>127114909
>I demand
The entitlement, oy vey!

>harpsichord sounds le BAD
>implying
https://youtu.be/n8iIfmvmYRg?si=YfTHyNcSguKDmmx9

>>127115055
Great album.

Bach
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=AAuRjtRifhk

>>127110949
strictly speaking, if at least three of a fugue's parts (SATB) are written in triple counterpoint throughout it is a triple fugue.

It is also possible for one to develop each invertible theme into fugues of their own before combining them all together in a fourth fugue at the end which is what I think Bach did in his St Anne fugue.

Join the Haydn symphony crusade.

>>127116878
They're fine but no matter how many times I listen to them, they never get committed to memory at all.

Gilels, Backhaus, and Arrau are the three greatest Beethoven piano sonata cycles of all-time and I won't hear otherwise

>>127116989
Scherchen's recording of the Farewell symphony is very memorable, at least.

Post classical cover art that looks like something from a /mu/core chart. Or just cool in general

now playing

start of Schubert: Fantaisie en do majeur, D. 760, "WandererFantaisie"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIe7M7BiwB8&list=OLAK5uy_kL8YlEgr1xnkjXpHhcoub0_y5de9bVMPc&index=2

Liszt: 12 Lieder von Schubert, S558/R243: No. 3. Du bist die Ruh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWgQ0S76SAM&list=OLAK5uy_kL8YlEgr1xnkjXpHhcoub0_y5de9bVMPc&index=6

Liszt: Schubert - Schwanengesang, S560/R245: No. 12. Der Doppelgänger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sGcEN1FSuo&list=OLAK5uy_kL8YlEgr1xnkjXpHhcoub0_y5de9bVMPc&index=7

start of Liszt: Sonate en si mineur, S. 178
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDbsS12yRro&list=OLAK5uy_kL8YlEgr1xnkjXpHhcoub0_y5de9bVMPc&index=7

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kL8YlEgr1xnkjXpHhcoub0_y5de9bVMPc

>I have been a fan of the French pianist David Fray since I heard recordings of him playing Mozart and Bach. His 2006 recording of the Liszt Sonata on the ATMA label, when Fray was just 25, shows a remarkable maturity and integrity. The Andante sostenuto sections are especially beguiling, while his tone is bright and full. Again, like many of the great interpreters of this work, Fray nicely balances the lyrical and percussive elements and makes good judgments when it comes to pacing and dynamics. Fray possesses a uniquely noble and elegant tone, as well as the technical chops needed for Liszt. The ATMA recording quality is near perfection to my ears.

I feel like exploring a large array of recordings of Liszt's piano sonata, using
https://classicalguy.substack.com/p/building-a-collection-69-liszts-sonata
as a guide. It's got enough suggestions for a lifetime. If anyone has any specific recommendations, I'd be glad to give them a listen! Or anything they wanna say about the work itself.

Now playing:
Bach's Concerto for 2 Keyboards in C Minor, Bwv 1062, by Masaaki Suzuki. A truly excellent and exciting performance

https://youtu.be/JnuzbnKUJCM

>>127117465
Always nice to see a father-son duo on a performance. Second only to the husband-wife combo.

>>127117341
Schubert's D.760 is so good, one of the earliest classical pieces I fell in love with and which helped get me hooked and hungry for more.

continuing with my traversal of Harnoncourt's recordings of choral works, now with Beethoven's grand masterpiece Missa Solemnis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE6pX7_tzoA&list=OLAK5uy_nQc_YlqHAYMWtODCz5Ych8eea_g4XUBBs&index=1

This is Harnoncourt's second recording of the piece. They both seem to be highly acclaimed, this one a little bit more so, which is why I'm opting for it even though I generally prefer going for the older performance in these situations. It's got a 10-10 rating on classicstoday from Robert Levine who ranks it as one of his reference recordings next to Klemperer's majestic and reverential account. Should be good!

Wagner never attained the raw mythological sound of Das Rheingold again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBJhSGGTzis

most western classical canon is just ripping off ottoman military music which they developed from the music of the africans they enslaved

>>127117708
What the fuck is mythological sound?

Scherbakov's Beethoven

23rd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEySqPO2VYw&list=OLAK5uy_nnGkkuJ4lQTqShj3fWwz8RjEOICSW9RF0&index=75

24th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD51u2PrpEM&list=OLAK5uy_nnGkkuJ4lQTqShj3fWwz8RjEOICSW9RF0&index=78

25th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYu5QGhrYz8&list=OLAK5uy_nnGkkuJ4lQTqShj3fWwz8RjEOICSW9RF0&index=80

26th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctcnG4Q7dX8&list=OLAK5uy_nnGkkuJ4lQTqShj3fWwz8RjEOICSW9RF0&index=83

27th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6Es1b8Xhr0&list=OLAK5uy_nnGkkuJ4lQTqShj3fWwz8RjEOICSW9RF0&index=86

Give this cycle a try, you won't regret it.

>>127114402
>mfw it's the wrong edition

>The world-renowned China-born cellist Wang Jian is only 45, but he says he has experienced the cycle of death and rebirth many times - whenever he plays Bach's Six Suites for Solo Cello.

>"Every time when I'm playing Bach, I feel like I have turned into an old man who is coming to the end of his life and beginning to look back at his whole existence by himself," Wang said, "and the sense of deep sorrow inside is very private and unspeakable, touching the soul directly so that I'm always sucked in for a long time.''

>Bach's six suites contain six movements each: a formal prelude followed by a dance music-based allemande, a courante, a sarabande, a galanterie, and ending with a gigue.

>According to Wang, the six movements all have six distinctive characters and the whole set displays a stately progression from simple to complex, from naive to profound.

>"It is exactly like a person's whole life," Wang added.

did you listen to Bach's Cello Suites this week yet, anon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWDRjYKhhHU&list=OLAK5uy_kCIQxggfkak6WY-qFR1Zb7L_bA41vwVZo&index=23

>>127117785
ok

Gil Shaham's Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhBjGSuPYcI&list=OLAK5uy_lJ3K2396849HKIuLAgUwej3NNwoCDXGJs&index=22

>>127117785
Mamluk I posted it again!

>>127117601
Why is Napoleon on the cover?

>>127118213
This kind of faggotry puts me off Bach. If he gets that worked up from some gay cello music how would he handle LSD or a K hole?

>>127119336
That's Ludwig, no?

>>127113073
>Was rewatching Lolita
Of course you were s m h

Sorry to ask here, but I didn't see anything relevant in the catalog, and once in a while over the years I've seen something mentioned here and there in classical, but I actually have some time now to dedicate and I'd like to learn music, what are some good music theory books?
https://mega.nz/#F!HsAVXT5C!AoFKwCXr4PJnrNg5KzDJjw
Only has a book about In The Aerop[lane Over the Sea, which, wow lol I haven't heard that /mu/ classic in years, but no other books

I have the beginner suite, lenmus, lmms, etc installed and I'd just like some texts as a foundation and after maybe 6 months get a tutor and bounce back and forth questions beyond, you know, "what's a treble clef"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAafyK44fCc

>>127119853
Start with harmony, Goetschius' Theory and Practice of Tone Relations has detailed explanations, understandable language, and tons of exercises which you will be writing before you internalize and understand all the rules thoroughly. It's free on internet archives, and the author also has books about counterpoint (two volumes), form, and much more, in the same vein.

Do you guys think this performance is what Mahler would have wanted it to sound like? Hurwitz really seethed about this one

https://youtu.be/xfRjkWW3qtg?list=OLAK5uy_nDPZwmqMV5hM68u0CGnwJkEUVuin7upGg

>>127120710
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiGlnq7gmG4
There's a pretty good video on the subject, from an old broadcast by Cooke, comparing Mengelberg, Klemperer, and Walter to one another, as those were three conductors that knew Mahler, and Mahler was at least receptive to their conducting styles.

If you don't want to watch the whole thing, it mostly concludes that Mengelberg follows a performance style that is adjacent to the descriptions attributed to Mahler, and that there are certain touches and habits that are heavily based in the tradition, but that ultimately Mengelberg was likely at least a little exaggerated and individualistic to be called a Mahler clone or anything like that.

Ultimately I think where most people go wrong when they talk about this performance is they try to say Mahler would have performed it like this, which we really can't say for sure. What we can say for sure is a plethora of letters between Mengelberg and Mahler which expressed mutual admiration for each of their conducting styles. Admiration which he never quite extended to Bruno Walter. Would Mahler have wanted it sound like this? I think he would have seen it as a valid interpretation. It can stand on its own without any appeals to tradition, it's an excellent performance by any measure.

You should listen to my remaster, though. It's in much better sound.
https://files.catbox.moe/jbo8j6.zip

>>127120710
>>127121475
Wasn't Mengelberg pro nazi? That part always confuses me, so he likes Mahler but also the state that banned performances of Mahler's music?

>>127121502
He was pro "whatever lets me stay with my orchestra." He didn't want to leave the Concertgebouw, he had literally been leading them at that point for something like 50 years.
In other words, he was an extremely talented conductor of the day, and one which the Nazis wanted to keep in their pocket. It was a mutually beneficial arrangement. The fact that Mengelberg was able to still perform Mahler even after the Nazi take over showed how much control he still had.

Reincken

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wU2p3Wkkwc&list=OLAK5uy_kY5lwg7X_3GjtuhX3Chv7hJWDg6VYadOA&index=15

feels like a Debussy Day with Bavouzet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6AvHlTt0tU&list=OLAK5uy_l7YSjJDLN_82YRzk1I-bRKnEbDu8exnXI&index=14

how's Schiff's Schubert? his earlier set not on period piano

is it possible to not enjoy, hell, to not love Rachmaninoff's Prelude in B-flat major, Op. 23?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0VbhrthytU&list=OLAK5uy_nyjNOfRJtfWP9VwwLLgz-zIllB-pd_M3E&index=3

Surely love on first listen for any person with a soul?

>>127120019
Goetschius is shit. Please stop spreading bad advice.

>>127123199
You have never explained why he's supposed to be bad, and you have never suggested anyone a book for a beginner. Stop being an ass

>>127123167
>It [Piano Concerto No. 2] was perhaps a useful exercise, but I never came to like the piece. [...] I am not a Rachmaninoff fan. The piano repertoire is vast, and Rachmaninoff to me seems a waste of time.

>>127123567
Huh. I suppose that's what we should expect from a classicist such as Brendel.

>>127123567
Huh. I suppose that's what we should expect from a man with at least half a brain such as Brendel.

>>127123167
so true slaveslopper

I do not listen to Jewish pianists at all.

>>127125077
and you're telling us because....

>>127125096
I don't like them.

>>127123322
he's a tripfag, don't reply

>>127125101
>>127125096

>>127125116
...and also because the best pianists are Asian.

>>127124785
>>127125013
if you don't think this sounds good, sorry, we can't ever sleep together
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmS-yqEKMYE&list=OLAK5uy_nyjNOfRJtfWP9VwwLLgz-zIllB-pd_M3E&index=6

>>127125130
If you like MIDI style piano playing, I guess. The only good Asian pianist right now is Lim.

>>127125350
Post nose.

favorite recital recordings?

>>127125385
>8:35 Chopin Ballade No. 4
damn, times have changed, that's crazy fast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpygiCTqg_s&list=OLAK5uy_nlcDLvpEVZGSctAbA1AFByntiQGSGbC80&index=11

Zimerman's is 12 min for comparison.

>>127125385
Pretty hard to beat Hofmann's Casimir Recital. Every single one of those performances is unreal. But that's too easy.

Moravec's Live in Brussels is an excellent choice, with a heavenly Pastorale sonata.
Richter's 1958 Sofia Recital for the best performance of Mussorgsky's Pictures.
Lipatti's 1950 recital where he was one foot in the grave.
Bardas 2008 Tokyo recital for some of the most insane performances of Chopin's Ballades

>>127125401
Weissenberg is the man but that's too fast, sounds like he has to go to the bathroom really bad so he's rushing through it.

>>127125454
Awesome, thank you.

Weissenberg is still the guy I go to for the Petrushka piano arrangement. No one else is quite as charismatic in the Fair movement as he is.
https://youtu.be/MX73HET7f40

>>127125497
thx, listening now

between you and me, the third movement, La semaine grasse, might be in the top 10 solo piano pieces ever composed. catchy and sublime

>>127125497
Too straightforward. Needs more whimsy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btNfXh1ybeM

>>127125590
Good thing I'm a homosexual.

best Bruckner 7 for you?

>>127125603
Karajan/VPO, Giulini, Celibidache(Sony)

But I've never heard a bad one, the first two movements are too good, they're conductor-proof, so just pick whichever performance has the right tempo-orchestra sonority combo for you (eg Barenboim for fast and robust, Sanderling for slow and wiry).

>>127125549
Hm, not hearing it. If anything this sounds far more straightforward.

>>127125642
Well, thanks for giving it a try.

>>127125666
It's not at all bad, quite good, but I would place it closer in the Pollini class. Reason I like the Weissenberg one is all the micro adjustments he makes to the tempo during the third movement especially during the lead up to the dance where there's a real give and take between the two hands. Has a certain tactility to it that most other performances don't quite nail IMO

>>127125603
Ormandy.

lol in multiple reviews now I've seen Jed Distler refer to the first movement Adagio as 'hackneyed'

ex.
>On the other hand, her flexibility and lyrical warmth give shape and dimension to the “Moonlight” sonata’s hackneyed Adagio sostenuto. If only I could morph her superb articulation and dynamic scaling in the second and third movements with her label-mate Steven Osborne’s brisker, more incisive tempos. As always, Hewitt provides her own informative and well-written annotations.

>>127125895
fuck, the first movement adagio of Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata*

scriabo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2ykcYLqBSw&list=OLAK5uy_lm0iUODugB5mUEy-HZFl_rX4CspNAhlEE&index=1

>>127125130
They work hard.

>>127125077
i avoid them but sometimes you just have to

>>127126282
Now that’s an album cover!

>>127107672
Not HIP.

>>127126282
>>127126360

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdcukXcIXn4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSvy1pPeo48

>>127122144
good

>>127125603
Böhm

>>127125590
I play the piano and I sometimes like to dress up in ouji fashion and my stomach feels weird when I am near a guy who is taller than me, am i a homosexual in that case?

>>127127359
in any case.

>>127127359
?

>>127127359
no, it's only gay if you can't stop it. I, for instance, sleep with my big beautiful boyfriend of 7 years every night where I am the little spoon after sex and he keeps his huge pulsating penis inside my asshole until we fall asleep, but if he were say, rude to me, I can easily leave him whenever I wanted, so I know I'm not gay

holy shit I can't stand this Hurwitz guy anymore
every time I look something about Bruckner or Mahler up his ugly fucking face is the first thing that pops up. I don't even care for his opinions (in fact, we have virtually the opposite tastes in performance styles) but he just keeps. showing. up.
does he pay google to be the first result or something

>>127128068
he's the only classical reviewer that has gained somewhat of a serious following

so the algorithm has a very serious bias towards him because there's so few others in the field

best recording of Art of Fugue on Harpsichord?

>>127128130
replying to the first one makes sense but not sure about the second

>>127127359
>>127127943
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/lgbt/ instead?

>>127128139
single harpsichord: Isolde Ahlgrimm
harpsichord four hands: George Hazelrigg and Gavin Black

>>127128139
Are you referring to Die Kunst der Fuge BWV 1080?

>>127128068
Hurwitz eats African Land Fish

>>127128225
uh, cool?

>>127123567
Oh sad day I didn't know he had died. Would have cheered me up knowing this boring fuck was dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlELknDyjLs
>Alternate Musical Facts

>>127128251
It's tricky because I went through his second, most acclaimed Beethoven piano sonata cycle recently and it's great, maybe an 8/10, but then I listened to some of his Schumann last night and it's utterly inscrutable and dull. On the whole, he's pretty good.

Oh, his Bach Italian Concerto is stellar too.

>>127128262
Damn, I wasn’t aware that Tom Cruise was a classical connoisseur!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgYaks1W97s

Did the LP format dictate how fast we play certain pieces? It feels weird how many symphonies just happen to fit perfectly on a 2 side LP. Or was the LP designed around playing symphonies?

>>127125401
Zimmerman is a student of Wim

>>127128402
How do you mean? As in the performances were played "too fast" in order to fit on an LP or something?

Better than Suzuki
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dskOHI7j9gc

>>127128402
>Or was the LP designed around playing symphonies?
Most new formats were for rich, 'serious' listeners who could afford the technology. Which usually meant classical fans until more recently. Some conductors certainly did trim their performances especially for home recording but LPs or 18th century scores were probably mostly designed around attention spans.

>>127126282
Is that what Scriabin looks like?

>>127128453
Let's say the LP can only fit ~54 minutes total. That means, for practical purposes, you can't have the duration of your performance exceed 54 minutes, so your interpretation adjusts. It's a wonderful question and I'm curious too.

>>127125603
Kabasta

>>127128098
Yeah it’s the (((algorithm))) alright my guy

>>127128467
I think the historical evidence we have on hand of performance practice before the advent of recording, shows that they were more or less similar in terms of timings, and if anything the LP era caused things to slow down.

>>127128542
They were took by engineers in advance how long the LP was going to be in the future so they were preparing early. Nah, that's pretty convincing, and yeah, looks like they were stretching out their performances to fill out the format if anything, if any correlation is to be noted.

>>127128542
There wasn't a pre-LP format they were trying to fit on in those earlier years, perhaps?

I remember when I first discovered Schubert's piano sonatas, it was like a revelation. They seemed to have a singing, symphonic structure uncommon in Beethoven and unseen in Mozart. Nowadays, however, they come off as repetitive and full of dull filler between the good parts. It's almost difficult to listen to any of them through these days without wanting to change to something else. Anyone else feel this way?

>>127128647
Funny hat!

>>127128675
that's just Schubert Fatigue
listen the sonatas once a month

>>127128699
That could be it. All I know is I just took ten minutes to find the right recording of D.894 to listen to, and two minutes in I was already beat and changed to Brahms' solo piano music.

>>127128675
No siree.

>>127128303
Without using an LLM, what is the song's name?

>>127128675
I wouldn't call Schubert's sonatas dull. But what I would criticize about them, applies to Beethoven and Mozart as well. They are all often bound by the formality a bit too much, this doesn't apply to D960 or especially his last String quartet for example (which is underrated), because Schubert learned best by the end of his life. They have almost free flowing quality without losing coherence, think of thorough composed pieces, but something in between that and sonata, and it's why they are the peak of sonata form (the last quartet is hardly a sonata) along with Chopin's 3rd (2nd is also bound by formalities a bit too much) and the Hammerklavier, not to mention the unmatched melodicism of all 3 of those sonatas.

>>127128748
It's from Turandot by Puccini
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYgn50oXrUA&list=OLAK5uy_mwggE6GcH2bQ3npLCi0Mj1rPaAt2hRBgY&index=18

That'll be $5 to my cashapp please, you're welcome.

It's crazy to think with all the music Schubert had written by his early death, if he had kept living, would he have ended with, what, forty piano sonatas? Twenty symphonies? Thirty string quartets? He has the prolific oeuvre of a productive composer who lived until a ripe, old age.

>>127128785
He also had started taking counterpoint lessons from Simon Sechter at the end of his life. It's like a curse, where all great melodists die before they turn 40

>>127128755
What you're saying definitely makes sense. For me, however, I've been listening to dozens of hours of Beethoven's piano sonatas in the past week and not once did I begin to tire of the form or melodies, yet I remain perpetually and immediately weary of Schubert's even after a bit of a break since my last listen. I don't know, perhaps it'll come around, I do go through phases. Plus it doesn't help that, comparatively, there aren't that many great recordings of Schubert's piano sonatas outside of the last three by top-tier pianists, much less entire cycles.

>>127128802
Is that from whom he caught syphilis? Bastard. Just kidding. How much of his output comes from after those lessons, and is the influence and distinction significant?

>>127128808
I've been listening to a lot of Beethoven too lately, but the difference is that he has at least 10 sonatas that are top tier, whereas Schubert has relatively few, 3 at least, but definitely not 5+
>>127128815
>Schubert expressed the wish, were he to survive his final illness, to further develop his knowledge of harmony and counterpoint, and had actually made appointments for lessons with the counterpoint master Simon Sechter.
Probably none. He died too soon.

looking forward till the next time I dance with a girl to the tuneful sounds of Brahms' 16 Waltzes, Op. 39
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-TLL10zt9s

>>127128831
Hmm, maybe I should just stick to listening to the last three then, at least for a while.

And on the topic of Beethoven, I've come away with a revitalized appreciation for his first fifteen piano sonatas as of late. The 16th is the only one of them all I would say outright sucks.

>Some prominent musicians share a similar view, including the pianist Radu Lupu, who said: "[Schubert] is the composer for whom I am really most sorry that he died so young. ... Just before he died, when he wrote his beautiful two-cello String Quintet in C, he said very modestly that he was trying to learn a little more about counterpoint, and he was perfectly right. We'll never know in what direction he was going or would have gone."[128] However, others have expressed disagreement with this early view. For instance, Robert Schumann said: "It is pointless to guess at what more [Schubert] might have achieved. He did enough; and let them be honoured who have striven and accomplished as he did",[129] and the pianist András Schiff said that: "Schubert lived a very short life, but it was a very concentrated life. In 31 years, he lived more than other people would live in 100 years, and it is needless to speculate what could he have written had he lived another 50 years. It's irrelevant, just like with Mozart: these are the two natural geniuses of music."

They're all right, Schubert gave us gold, but he could've easily proved to be the most gifted of all composers, had he lived as long as Beethoven.

>>127128773
If you didn’t cheat, then I am impressed…

>>127128854
I like his early sonatas but I don't particularly remember anything about them except a few (Pathetique especially), whereas I could probably hum Appassionata note by note.

>>127128872
kek, I just know how to Google, anon, a skill I know you zoomers never had to develop. If you mean did I personally recognize it, the answer is no. Still no $5 in my account... how am I gonna eat!?

>>127128875
>I like his early sonatas but I don't particularly remember anything about them except a few
Hard not to relate to that, you're right.

got-DAMN, how can you listen to the first piece of Brahms' Seven Fantasien, Op. 116, and not be hooked and enticed for the rest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVHKa-DWwBk&list=OLAK5uy_llgl22WDGsAnx7Ivu78dD4JtcAk5W4F-I&index=11

>>127128802
>It's like a curse, where all great melodists die before they turn 40
Wagner lived long enough to master counterpoint.

9/10 solo piano music sounds better on multiple instruments stop showing off and share the load

>>127129077
>and share the load

Faure's Nocturnes are pretty good, yet their obvious and large inferiority to Chopin's Nocturnes serves to illustrate just how genius the latter is. When one listens to Chopin's Nocturnes for the first time, they will leave with permanent imprints of some of those pieces because of their stirring beauty and memorable melodies.

What’s the best Mahler?

how much classical music would you buy in a pre-internet world?

>>127129236
Alma

I'm guessing you mean what's his best symphony? Probably his 9th, though I wouldn't recommend that to start if someone is unfamiliar with his music, and the 6th, 8th, and Das Lied von der Erde are all fine alternative choices as well.

>>127129236
Das Lied von der Erde

Brahms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_q-RxtkKCk&list=OLAK5uy_m8grSH0s6T51mUysUfp_OtlPuQef6YlXY&index=5

to go through the Barenboim, Pollini, or Ashkenazy Beethoven piano sonata cycles next... let's try Ashkenazy. I was considering Hewitt but meh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kih986pAjS8&list=OLAK5uy_kKPF7Rjd-6tDB-oExD5H6VfVZckHq_95E&index=97

Chopin is too vanilla

>>127129324
Christopher Walken in Sleepy Hollow

highly recommend this 7th to all Bruckner fans. especially love the phrasing on the main theme of the adagio.

Is Scriabin a late romantic or a modernist composer?

>>127129761
yes

>>127129761
he is definitely a Composer, that is all we really know.

most Orchestral & Chamber music sounds better transcribed for Solo Piano.

rip ozzy (metal is classical)

i wish i could play the piano, unfortunately i am 6'8".

>>127129761
romantic, proto-modernist

Do you guys listen more to symphonies, concertos, quartets, sonatas, etc and why? Personally, the majority of my listening consists of symphonies. I just like the sound of an orchestra a bit

Any Ozzy fugues?
I don't think I could palette the augmented seconds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMar_7AGLrA
RIP Ozzy

>>127129761
Neither. Scriabin is post romantic
>>127132117
Solo piano is the most versatile and highly expressive, orchestra is the most colorful and dramatic, piano concerto is match made in heaven.
>>127132135
>>127132945
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/?

>>127129761
He's been called the ultimate beatnik

>>127131498
Black Sabbath Black Sabbath Black Sabbath was based on Mars

>>127133656
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/?

>>127133679
Are you saying Holst isn't classical?

>>127132117
A bit of this, a bit of that, you know?

The 8th is objectively Mahler's best symphony. How anyone could think a little turd like Das Lied von der Erde is his best symphony is just beyond me.

>>127134481
5 > 6 >2 > 9 > rest

>>127134660
5, 6 and 7 are boring and sound the same. 9 sounds weird and is a waste of time.

I like 10

>>127106525 (OP)
anyone wanna join my discord server i need more people into classical music

https://discord.gg/Ph83Yb2A

anyway here's a swedish tenor singing an italian opera based on an american play by david belasco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ety0I1I_AxE

Brahms: Ein deutsches Requiem
https://youtu.be/jeCtv_2Zgu0

What does /classical/ think of Oliver Zeffman?

>>127135853
More like a disappointing requiem lmao!

what do you guys think of Gerald Finzi? I used to play some of his works on my clarinet.
>https://youtu.be/JmRJ1cdGNE8?si=grhAoq0FhDK2J58j

>>127136032
Here's another one of his. Romance was one of my favourites to play.

>>127136054
whoops i forgor
>https://youtu.be/bDWFIs7h-qo?si=YXfQxQ5m8bk005wE

>>127135892
Nerd

>>127136089
More like an ugly bug-looking woman lmao!

interesting that a mediocre plagiarist like haydn is held up as some sort of iconic composer

interesting that a mediocre human like the guy above me holds himself up as worthy of sharing opinions

Excellent transcription and recording:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyJbksDk-DE

>>127135405
Nonsense. 5 and 6 are leagues ahead of everything else, and 9&2 are almost up there.
>>127135695
Buy an ad, faggot.

which german composers does this image most aptly describe? spoiler - it's all of them

>>127136834
Mahler disagrees with you.

Is there anyone who actually ranks operas? It's occurred to me that no one numbers Rossini or Wagner operas like they do with symphonies. But why shouldn't operas be created with the same disparate quality? Do people just not listen to opera?

>>127135405
normalfaggot

>>127137211
plenty of people, the guys here are just too dumb for opera

>>127137578
What's your ranking for the operas of a famous composer?

>>127136923
Count Franz von Walsegg

>>127137211
There's plenty of stupid rankers around, no need to shit up opera in the same way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PvAzstKkbA

>>127137603
Götterdämmerung > Meistersinger > Tristan > Siegfried > Parsifal > Walküre > Rheingold > Tannhäuser > Lohengrin > POWERGAP > Höllander > Rienzi > Die Feen > Liebeversbot

>>127129132
?

>>127128914
Sure, Dave

>>127136923
Purcell

Beethoven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4KOVz5jf00&list=OLAK5uy_nOlitvxZ9sHcGaZCrAVSCC_wQ78bZVcNY&index=4

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImHyTELnsTk

>>127132117
I go through phases. Right now I've only listening to solo piano music, the occasional string quartet, and a Bruckner symphony here and there. It'll revert and then I'll only be listening to symphonies or chamber music for a couple weeks.

Bach&‘Kopf
Schafe können sicher weiden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7a5CYzQH44

>>127139343
Why didn't they keep reinventing recording technology until it was capable of capturing the harpsichord instead of just abandoning the harpsichord and running with the first recording technology they came up with

>>127139360
?

>>127139360
Get behind me Satan

>>127129324
I love Ashkenazy in general but something about is Beethoven is fundamentally off. It's too frilly and lightweight, too undramatic and insubstantial. As far as similar styles go, Barenboim's is far, far superior, it's not even close. Shame. Into the dustbin it goes.

What do you guys think of the earlier Mozart piano sonatas? I usually start my listening at K.310. Time to give them a try I suppose.

No. 1, K. 279
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJXL5fFRENA&list=OLAK5uy_liXCjCLHSdV8I0DjABBn4oPWHfno_uG5o&index=2

No.2, K. 280
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YRa6YzdQ-M&list=OLAK5uy_liXCjCLHSdV8I0DjABBn4oPWHfno_uG5o&index=5

No. 3, K. 281
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgG6c__9pfg&list=OLAK5uy_liXCjCLHSdV8I0DjABBn4oPWHfno_uG5o&index=7

>>127140056
I love them all. I'd recommend Orli Shafram for the first 3.

>>127137211
Listening to opera at home is a strange concept to me. This thread is too recording-oriented in general, you can tell no one goes to concerts.

>>127140345
Geen kaarten. KOEK!

>>127140369
>This thread is too recording-oriented in general, you can tell no one goes to concerts.
Because there is something commonly accessible to discuss and share. If I say the time I saw Jansons perform Mahler's 5th in 2009 was the greatest performance of the piece I ever heard, well, okay, what's anyone supposed to take away from that and reply with?

>>127140369
Recordings sound better. Almost all the good performers are dead.

>>127140369
I'm attending a performance of Bruckner 7 on Friday but regardless these threads tend to be recording oriented because most modern performers and thus live concerts simply suck mad fucking dick

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsaIW5MrbMc

>>127137693
Odd choices but I respect it.

>>127140623
what's odd about it

>>127140635
Most people don't usually favour Gotterdammerung and Meistersinger above all his works.

>>127140712
NTA but I don't feel it's too unusual. Meistersinger especially is more highly rated among enthusiasts.

In Meistersinger's harmonies, one hears the echoes of Bach's intricate counterpoint, as if the ghostly specter of the Baroque master had momentarily forsaken the organ in favor of the opera house.

Richard Wagner once said of Johann Sebastian Bach’s music: “That made me what I am. My unending melody is predestined in it.” In Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg, Wagner demonstrated to post-Tristan sceptics his mastery of traditional musical forms. Sonorous chorales, an overture which Wagner described as 'applied Bach', a fugally-inspired toccata, an unforgettable quintet and counterpoint worthy of Bach all feature in this magnificent score celebrating the marriage of inspiration and tradition.

The whole of Die Meistersinger— shaping itself before our very ears — is Wagner's answer to his critics, a song offered them to meet their specifications, filled with all the things they demanded and found wanting in his other work: diatonic structures, counterpoint, singable tunes, ensembles, folk dances worthy of Weber and chorales worthy of Bach.

>>127140056
They're charming.

>>127134481
Both 8 and Das Lied are two of his greatest works.

>>127129163
Fauré's nocturnes are leagues above Chopin's.

so much love for Mahler's 8th in this thread, the choral-anons have taken over

new
>>127140975
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