Thread 127111555

Bish Bosh Edition

What is Progressive Rock?
>https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/progressive-rock/

Good albums to start with?
>https://www.musicgenretree.org/essential_prog.png

Obscure prog gems
>https://rateyourmusic.com/list/antonbildern/a-secret-society-obscure-progressive-rock-albums/

Previously, on /prog/: >>127023602

>>127111555 (OP)
first for 80s king crimson is not real prog

>>127111561
Rude

>>127111561
You beat me to the punch, but daily reminder that Discipline era is....
>Not progressive rock;
>Is a Talking Heads cover band;
>And Fripp is gay.

>>127111633
>He's right behind me isn't he?

>>127111555 (OP)
The only prog that ever clicked with me is:

Cardiacs (favourite band)
Tool (favourite metal band)

On scale of 1 (full pleb) to 10 (proggod) how do I rate?

Listen to XYZ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WDAvAvLqes&t=175s

>>127111633
Poor Adrian was already balding when he was 5

>>127111729
Cardiacs are fine, so you get a 4.5

>>127112133
>Cardiacs are fine,

Nice, they're airing a previously unreleased concert on Saturday.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Cardiacs/comments/1m40dfb/roll_call_for_saturday_260725_all_around_the_world/?sort=new

Is there a Genesis album where most of the songs are a similar vibe to The Brazilian?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLFwxs7u4HM

>>127112368
Phil Collins - Dance into the Light

DID SOMEONE SAY BISH BOSCH EDITION??

>>127112855
You are a very sick person.

Peter: But since we're all gonna die, there's one more secret I feel I have to share with you. I did not care for The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.
Lois: What?
Peter: Did not care for The Lamb.
Chris: How can you even say that, dad?
Peter: Didn't like it.
Lois: Peter, it's so good! It's like the perfect prog album!
Peter: This is what everyone always said. Whenever they say...
Chris: Peter Gabriel, Phil Collins, I mean you never see--STEVE HACKETT!
Peter: Fine. Fine. Fine guitarist, did not like the album.
Brian: Why not?
Peter: Did not...couldn't get into it.
Lois: Explain yourself. What didn't you like about it?
Peter: It insists upon itself, Lois.
Lois: What?
Peter: It insists upon itself.
Lois: What does that even mean?
Chris: Because it has a valid point to make, it's insisted!
Peter: It takes forever getting in; you spend like six and a half hours... You know, I can't get through, I've never even finished the album. I've never listened to disc two.
Chris: You've never heard disc two?!
Stewie: How can you say you don't like it if you haven't even given it a chance?
Lois: I agree with Stewie. It's not really fair.
Chris: It's outrageous.
Peter: I have tried on three separate occasions to get through it, and I get to the part where he's singing something about carpet crawlers--
Lois: Yeah, it's a great song. I love that song.
Peter: I have no idea what he's singing about. It's like he's singing a different... You know, that's where I lose interest in it.
Chris: He's singing in metaphor!
Lois: The lyrics he's singing is a language of subtlety; it's something you don't understand.
Peter: I love Bankstatement. That is my answer to that statement.
Lois: Exactly.
Peter: Well, there you go.
Lois: Whatever.
Chris: I like that album, too.

>>127113841
i don't care for Genesis at all

>>127111561
>>127111710

Why isn't discipline prog?

>>127069765
>long classic rock songs are prog i'll stand by this
>>127070000
>There's such a thing as "proggy" even if it's not prog. Lots of songs are proggy.
>>127069973
>what about long metal or modern rock songs?
>>127070018
>i'd say so yeah as long as it's over 7 minutes
ARe they correct?

>>127114169
2 of them are me so yeah of course they're correct

christian rock fripp be like
>disciple

this album just turned 10

>>127114169

So, Heretic (Lost Child) would be prog?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=6wp8CyjbMJQ

Is BOC prog?

>>127115419
sometimes.

>>127114133
Apart from Frame by Frame and Discipline, the album is pretty lackluster and contains material that is a far cry from the band's origins and style. It seems like a pitiful attempt to keep the band afloat and relevant in the 80s new wave scene, but it just falls flat on its face for me.

>>127113841
kino ending

Found this album by complete luck, Track 1,3 and 5 are so good that with only 3 songs, they became my 4th most listened band after pink floyd, genesis and alan parsons project.

>>127111555 (OP)
Bill Rieflin was in Ministry, R.E.M., Swans and King Crimson. What a strange carrier. Picrel is him in drag with Lush at Lollapalooza 1992.

>>127117538
And another one.

>>127117415
mamma mia that's a spicy meataballa

>>127113841
This but unironically.
The Lamb is shit.

>>127115419
a little

THE GREAT DEBATE

>>127118194
Genesis had the better prog era and the better pop era

>>127118194
Steve

>>127118338
Genesis is theatre kid music
Yes is superior in every way

>>127116745
Elephant talk and Thela Hun Ginjeet were good.

>>127118194
Genesis wrote better songs. Howe and Squire were better on their respective instruments.

>>127119787
And Wakeman forgot.

>>127113841
>It insists upon itself
pretentious way of calling something pretentious

>>127113841
Side C and D I just pretend don't exist.

>>127120636
Only side D after Slippermen is disappointing

>>127120636
>>127120723
Are you people serious? Disc 2 is pretty much all I listen to. Disc 1 is the (largely) forgettable half of that album. Riding the Scree and Lilywhite Lilith are the only dips in quality on disc 2. If it went Slippermen > Ravine > Light Dies Down > Rapids > It then I couldn't imagine a more perfect ending to the album.

>>127119787
Especially considering Genesis didn't have a bassist ...

>>127118194
No debate. Yes were a jam band. So much of their material is filler.
<cough> Topographic Oceans <cough>

Very in to the Canterbury Scene at the moment, and Gentle Giant.

One of my favorite prog openers ever, that I only just discovered:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1X--jwJhFQ

>>127122744
Mike played bass and guitars in the studio and mostly stuck to bass during live shows.

>>127119410
They made my ears bleed. Terrible songs.

Invents math rock

>>127113228
you should give it a listen

>>127117538
his best work was with R.E.M. i know at that point (post-Bill Berry) they're kinda washed but it's still pretty decent

Are any of you going to any concerts over the rest of the year? The only one I have coming up is Discipline in Detroit in a month. I'm very excited to see one of the only good American bands.

>>127118194
Jon Anderson > Peter Gabriel
Chris Squire > Mike Rutherford
Steve Howe > Steve Hackett
Rick Wakeman (Patrick Moraz too) > Tony Banks
Bill Brufford (Alan White too) > Phil Collins

also
The Yes Album > Nursery Crime
Fragile > Foxtrot
Close to the Edge > Selling England by the Pound
Tales from Topographic Oceans > The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
Relayer > A Trick of the Tail
Going for the One > Wind and Wuthering

in conclusion Yes > Genesis
the only thing Genesis has going for them is that their pop era is superior

>>127118194
i've only heard Yes

>>127124829
True except
Nursery Crime and Selling England are better

>>127124829
>(Alan White too) > Phil Collins
>Tales from Topographic Oceans > The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here

>>127125583
>>Tales from Topographic Oceans > The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
>Let's not get ahead of ourselves here
You're right they both suck

If I like the instrumental part of 21st Century Shizoid Man what else from KC should I listen to?

>>127125859
The non-instrumental parts of 21st Century Schizoid Man

>>127118194
Genesis is more 3-dimensional

>>127125859
Schizoid Men 1 - 12
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlb3mPMrL5jbJ4f8n9hDVstIqmJk0fjmU

>>127119824
Banks is better than Wakeman both as a writer and a player. Wakeman overplays and can be schmaltzy.

>>127124829
>Fragile > Foxtrot

Supper's Ready >>>>>>> Anything in the Yes catalog.

>>127125859
Lizard and Islands

>>127124829
don't forget:
Yes s/t > From Genesis to Revelation
but
A Time and a Word < Trespass

listening to Magma

>>127127870
Gong > Magma

>>127125859
You should dig jazz fusion. Start with Hot Rats, Waka/Jawaka and The Grand Wazoo by Zappa.

>>127127254
Hi Tony

>>127123220
based Canterbury enjoyer
been listening a lot to this record and Hatfield and the North as well
>>127125859
listen to Nucleus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF-AxDUJ-OQ

>>127127995
not comparable at all, but i disagree, however, i do like GonG.

>>127112889
Take that accidentally in the bollocks for a start

i wish i could get into Magma but i am unfortunately only 5'4".

I heard Dream Theater live for the first time a couple of days ago.
Is this how James LaBrie sounds live? He was all over the place, I'm still confused.
The rest of the band were great though and the setlist was good.

Listening to Gentle Giant

>>127131876
no you're not

>>127131896
Yes I am.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKPmXcWXHTU

Soon...

Fact: Zappa was a talented writer of catchy little ditties but mostly a tryhard failure when doing long-form compositions.

Comfy Caravan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4KKvGs5DBk

>>127132179
>King Kong
>Little House I Used to Live In
>The Gumbo Variations
>The Grand Wazoo
>Blessed Relief
>Big Swifty
>Waka/Jawaka
>The Torture Never Stops
>Watermelon in Easter Hay
>The Ocean Is the Ultimate Solution
>Revised Music for Guitar & Low-Budget Orchestra
all incredible long songs

I think I'm gay for Mike Oldfield

>>127135698
>I'm gay
>t. Robert Fripp

>>127123695
i thought that was larks

>>127124829
>Steve Howe > Steve Hackett
This is only one that’s true.

>>127124829
>Bill Bruford > Phil Collins
Nah I don't think Bill is a better singer than Phil

>>127127864
>A Time and a Word < Trespass
this can't be because Trespass doesn't have Time and a Word on it which is one of the best songs ever written

>>127135698
He didnt give us tubular bells 4 sadly but he's a handsome guy

Why are we pitting Genesis and Yes against one another? Seriously, sometimes I want to hunt some of you fucks down and knife you in the fucking throat and watch as the blood sprays from your carotid artery while you are helplessly trying to stop the bleeding.

>>127124829
>Tales from Topographic Oceans > The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
both equally crap and bloated

I love Pink floyd, king crimson, alan parsons project, camel, jethro tull, genesis, ELP etc etc but i just can't like yes and gentle giant

>>127136464
Understandable, I don't like shit vocals too

>>127136464
Same except i do like yes but fuck, Gentle Giant just never grooved with me.
All the fundamentals are there, it just doesn't sound good.

>>127111555 (OP)
is King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard considered prog now? what with all their microtonal and polyrhythm experiments?

>>127137045
They've been prog since the third album

>>127127995
Gong is new age shit

>>127132179
you tried a little too hard to sound smart there

>>127137305
More like old age shit now

>>127137325
Well this is /prog/ after all

>>127131876
Based
>>127137045
Are you kidding me, they're one of the biggest reasons why prog is dogshit now

>>127137395
they have released a few of the best prog albums of the last decade

>>127137912
jej

>>127136566
I’ve only listened to Octopus, but I had a similar experience with it.

>>127138352
if you care for a jazzier sound, try Acquiring the Taste
if you're in for something proggier, then go for In a Glass House
do try getting into them, it's worth it

>>127136397
i want Hergest Ridge 2

LOTRkino
https://youtu.be/CzSkAR-0W7U?si=P7uOw5NsWDZZadTA&t=222

It's prog.

>>127143319
Drumming? And musicians? Yeah, it's prog

Blazing hot early performance of “Neal And Jack And Me,” which would later be released on Beat (1982). Completed by a killer Fripp solo right near the end.

>>127143721
https://youtu.be/-1vmn2A5AcE?si=frdT5MGoOC2wxoqI

>>127143721
Boring 80s era Crimson slop.

I hate Fripp so much bros

>>127143319
>reich
it's zeuhl

>>127143721
playing in japan is like a cheat code for good shows for some reason

>>127146455
>playing
>playing, Japan

>>127145313
We all do

>>127145661
>zeuhl
Yes, that is more appropriate.

>>127143319
More like this?

>>127131484
Mother Mabel was frightened by Hawaiians

>>127131484
If shit were music
owoowooowoooowoo
You'd be a brass band

Tull peaked here

Cold take
>Radiohead is prog
Boiling take
>Coldplay has made prog songs

>>127149837
Cold take
>Coldplay is prog
Radio take
>Radiohead is prog

What about Muse?

>>127120723
In The Rapids though...

>>127118194
Both are great but Yesfags are more annoying so I'll side with Genesis.

Is Rainbow prog?

>western brutal prog
>it's all dissonant atonal shit

>glorious nipponese brutal prog folded a gorillion times
>some of the tightest, disciplined and technical shit ever

what causes this phenomenon

/ourguy/ eulogized ozzy
https://youtu.be/5dufxEQTcQ4?si=Y37C70KB2JHQYkrb

>>127150710
YAMATO DAMASHII

>>127150710
If Japanese actually tried to be brutal we’d end up with Nanking 2.0

>>127150206
Like Purple, prog elements but I wouldn't call them a prog band. Rainbow Rising and Long Live Rock 'n' Roll were extremely influential on prog metal though

>>127150710
Based nips.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhOv63VmqKw

>>127150765
Thanks for sharing this.

>>127150710
>thing

Thoughts on Bi Kyo Ran?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3nFax8sx8Y

>Talking Heads
:|
>Talking Heads with a Japanese song
:O

>>127152151
Everything in Japanese is better

I like Tony Banks AND Robert Fripp

.

Shoutout to the anon who linked this album a month or so ago.

>>127155173
Hey, that's me.

>>127152085
Isn't this band labeled as the Japanese King Crimson?

>>127152391
What about Mike Ratledge

>>127131787
James had a throat injury in the mid late 90s. He's been called the weakest link in the band for 20 years now. But in truth, Portnoy is that weakest link and you know it.

>>127152391
For me, Richard Wright AND Ian MacDonald

>>127149717
70s Tull is immaculate
not a single bad album

>>127156361
I think even the contrarians here would have a hard time standing up for him
guy was a real douche, despite being one of the greatest keyboard players in prog

>>127156361
>still no sticky
>sorry face
>in a bathroom
Wyatt won

>>127152185
That might be the most soulless album cover ever posted to /mu/

>>127150045
This guy gets it

>>127156754
Mike did nothing wrong

>>127152063
>>127152151
>Jakshitter crucifixion