I can deduce the entire personality of anyone who claims to "enjoy" classical music.

First: they don't know why it was and is popular.
Second: they don't know why it's significant.
Third: they don't know why it's studied.

Anyone who listens to it because they "enjoy" it is an unoriginal poser and can lick my arse, if I may be frank.

Open to educate, but it's far more likely they and others are like 18 and not in a place to be educated right now. They "like" this music for ulterior motives, and it's got nothing to do with the music itself, so attempting this with them is futile. You are not original for listening to Bach, nor are you sophisticated. You are only listening to his music because people you believe are sophisticated tell you to. You have no true appreciation for Bach, otherwise you wouldn't waste your time listening to him, just as you wouldn't waste your time idealizing Pythagoras for his math contribution.
>"t-they're once in a lifetime geniuses!"
Brother, it's not. There are geniuses today that put them to shame. You don't even know why people like Michelangelo and Shakespeare are significant. It's not because their work is so incredible. Hell, Shakespeare's plays don't measure up to Game of Thrones, let alone "genius we'll never see again". He literally wrote his plays for illiterates who never received a proper education. His works are abou
t as complex as a child's story (as evidenced by Lion King basically being Hamlet with animals). Shakespeare would masturbate to George R R Martin's work, and Bach would watch in awe as Hans Zimmer recruited sounds across the world.
Again, you don't know why Bach was a genius and all you're doing is telling yourself to enjoy something Chrono Trigger's instrumentals beat. It's quite sad. If you're listening to the same music from 1600 over and over, with no variety, you've got issues music won't treat.

>inb4 h-historically illiterate!
(You) are the one who's enjoying the art. I am the one who puts it in its historical context.
Anyone who appreciates Shakespeare or Michelangelo, as I said, doesn't spend his time obsessively appreciating their art. They know the place of said art, and they move on to exploring new venues. Anyone who sits and listens to Bach, claiming the music is somehow better than our contemporaries, simply has no idea why Bach is considered a genius. To be clear, I'm referring to you retards who like the music because "it's good", not because "it was good for its time". Bach was a genius, but his music doesn't hold up to modern standards, yet you retards disregard modern composers because "Bach still beats them". This is where your IQ reminds me of a used toilet. Hans Zimmer's discography is better than Bach. Gladiator's soundtrack is bett
er than Allegro. Interstellar's soundtrack is better than Mozart's Rondo Alla Turca. Hell, fucking Ceddin Deden is better than Rondo Alla Turca (ironically).
Bach's music is good. There is nothing you can add or take away because it is perfect. All this said, there is only one reason his work remains on a pedestal to this day. It is because they are ideal for new artists to master their skill. Bach developed "classical music" (which was modern music in his time) and as long as classical instruments remain relevant (forever), so will he. This is why his work is relevant, not because his music is exceptional. And his era is why he is a genius. His music is good when you know this. The melodies are not special.
You're not arguing in good faith if you believe contemporary composers can't best Bach. You are selling civilization short, or making a political statement. Here's another perspective. Composers of the past were not idealizing the past themselves. They were trailblazing. Additionally, Bach made music for the church and Mozart made music for plays. Similarly, modern composers make music for movies.

Genuine music enthusiasts know Bach has his place, the comparison is purposeless because Bach is idealized for his context, and there are modern composers that are definitely more talented than Bach. Denying that is making a political statement and it's sad. Let me ask you this, was there music produced in Nazi Germany that comes close to the level of genius of Bach? His music is not special. There is no way you can listen to it and think "my god, this music can't be replicated or beat, it's just not possible". We know exactly why his music is good, and we can make better music today. Among instrumentalists in the real world, anyone who knows anything will tell you Bach is the GOAT because of the context, not because his pieces are the pinnacle of music and we can not do better after 400 years of trying. It's stupid to take this position. It is low IQ and you have to admit this if you want to be taken seriously. Practically, it is dumb to compare. I have repeatedly said it is about the context. We will never be in the 1700 again, and there will never be new composers in the 1700. Bach is Bach because of his time.
As for his MUSIC, there is definitely better music. You need to come to grips with this.

Take off your ideological glasses and learn context because it makes history more interesting.

If you truly want to get sophisticated, there's no harm in asking, but know that you come across as worse than a low IQ pleb in your pursuit for character in this vein, because at least "NPC's" follow their emotions, whereas you follow your low IQ logic, convincing yourself to enjoy to the contrary.

Asuka looks hideous with an eyepatch. I hate the rebuilds so much.

I feel like the only way to truly appreciate classical music is to not even listen to it and just spend all day reading journals and essays about pieces themselves. Because in all honesty you can't deduce anything from just hearing a symphony with no other context besides its name.

>>127118106 (OP)
>Look mom, I posted it again!

classical is flavorless music. its boring without something to associate it with. i would argue that the increase in complexity and detail doesn't even make it better than some random MIDI file with a catchy beat and theme. the MIDI file, even with less detail, still "captures" or "surrounds" and essence or feeling and portrays that. classical is long winded and its technical depth makes it lose its structure and identity

GARBAGE music

>>127118489
This post is like if you asked chatgpt for an ppinion on classical music where every point is wrong on an objective level. This level of retardation has to be on purpose, otherwise this post makes a good argument for why retards should be shot

>>127118489
>classical is flavorless music

just to be clear what i mean with this. it sounds like the "stock" music of humanity. the default music of nature or whatever

>>127118538
less can be more moron. you will learn one day

>>127118553
Less is not more in art. Less is only more in technology and UI design. A midi file playing generic rock music cannot capture the same emotions as Bruckner's ninth. You are retarded if you think so

>>127118106 (OP)
Welcome back, enjoy your break from posting
>https://desuarchive.org/mu/search/filename/1439870771167

>>127118489
>>127118542
Golem post, go back to listening to /mu/core

>>127118587
>Less is only more in technology and UI design
jeet detected. OP sounds like a jeet too

>>127118489
Truly one of the worst, most musically illiterate and uninformed posts I've ever seen: a magnificent, steaming pile of incoherent garbage that only the confidently clueless could conjure up. Either that, or it's decent bait, in which case: ya got me!

>>127118587
you simply couldn't make miss the rage in the 17th century, no matter how hard you tried.

>>127118644
listen and learn

classical despite its resolution and detail, is still boring gay music, and whether it sounds good to you or not is entirely relative past a certain threshold (if "the structure or box" is totally broken or something, which would be when if it doesn't hit on core points that human beings generally find musically pleasing)

>>127118629
>Anyone who is technologically literate is a jeet
kek

>>127118704
Ah sweet a schizo post

>>127118704
>>127118489
>it loses it's structure and identity
Said about the most structured type of music in existence. Consider suicide

>>127118772
its so long it literally loses its identity. you cant hold the entirety of it in your mind. there's too much detail. some songs go for like 40 minutes. less length and less instruments = stronger presence and identity, obviously less complexity. more complexity and length = less presence and identity

>>127118817
anyway, the important thing is "what it captures". the feeling it manages to surround and capture. is it able to convey that the best? thats what matters. its identity

technical detail and depth doesn't matter unless its helping to achieve that, or is for that intended purpose

>>127118817
>its so long it literally loses its identity. you cant hold the entirety of it in your mind. there's too much detail.
Literal soulless golem moment, imagine saying this about any other medium that is longer. Film loses it's identity because it's too long, the only visual medium worth watching is tiktoks. Holy fuck kill yourself genuinely.
> there's too much detail. some songs go for like 40 minutes
No? PIECES go for 40 minutes, MOVEMENTS tend to go for 8-20 minutes depending on the composer. You have no clue what the fuck you're talking about you braindead faggot.
>less length and less instruments = stronger presence and identity
Even if that were true, chamber music exists, so you're still a retard who should kill himself.
>more complexity and length = less presence and identity
Objectively quantify why this is the case, you make an assertion without any logical proof as to why this is the case

>>127118873
>Film loses it's identity because it's too long, the only visual medium worth watching is tiktoks.
yes? are you retarded? it's 2025, shorter is better

>>127118881
kek

>>127118881
This post is a good argument for eugenics

>>127118881
i was kind of on your side, but you lost me here

>>127118873
>Film loses it's identity because it's too long
silly comparison. do you hum classical music or whistle it? no? then its too complex for you to hold
>No? PIECES go for 40 minutes, MOVEMENTS tend to go for 8-20 minutes depending on the composer
it passes a threshold/sweet spot for listening, and it becomes forgettable or its identity is lost in sameish sounding instruments or parts that sound to same-similar to other classical works. thats what you get when you make your crap long winded
>Even if that were true
it is
>Objectively quantify why this is the case
its pretty easy to figure out if you use your brain

i'm sorry your music isn't as special as you thought anon

>>127118931
>silly comparison. do you hum classical music or whistle it? no? then its too complex for you to hold
This is exactly your problem, your brain cannot comprehend other structures of aural art. It has to be simplistic ideas that you can hum. Anything else cannot register to you. A classical piece of music is intended to function as serious music that should be approached with the same seriousness and attention that you would a movie, play, or any other medium.
>it passes a threshold/sweet spot for listening, and it becomes forgettable
90% of classical works are as long, or shorter than most albums. Do you consider albums also too long and losing their identity you retarded inbred?
>or its identity is lost in sameish sounding instruments or parts that sound to same-similar to other classical works.
Every genre has sameish sounding instruments, from rock to jazz to anything that isn't pop or hyperpop. You are contradicting yourself now, you said that complexity is bad, yet you demand timbral complexity for the sake of it, make up your mind
>thats what you get when you make your crap long winded
It's not anywhere as long winded as most other forms of music. The longest symphony in the common repertoire is Mahler's third, a piece that is an hour and 30 minutes long. Swans (A rock band) has made multiple albums which are longer than that. Yessongs is also longer than that if we're counting live albums. Yet I never see you bitch about those, figures!
>its pretty easy to figure out if you use your brain
You're committing the fallacy of begging the question. Try again or kill yourself, either will do

>>127118931
cont

the majority of classical music is what i would call "experience" music. it uses sound in different parts or segments woven together to evoke emotions/an emotional roller coaster. but its so vanilla/stock/normal sounding and flavorless it practically has no identity, outside of the classics, and thats because of relativity. thats why on its own, without something to associate it with, its boring or meaningless

>>127119028
>the majority of classical music is what i would call "experience" music. it uses sound in different parts or segments woven together to evoke emotions/an emotional roller coaster.
You know, you could actually listen to classical music and then you wouldn't embarass yourself with retarded posts like this

>>127118931
You're so retarded kek

>>127119028
>>127118931
If you aren't baiting, genuinely kill yourself. End your life. This is not a joke

>>127119028
>>127118931
>>127118704
>>127118489
You do not care about music, get a different hobby

>>127118931
Poptimism and it's consequences have been a disaster for /mu/

>>127118817
>you cant hold the entirety of it in your mind. there's too much detail. some
Fucking retard, what do you think conductors do? What do you think musicians do? Have you ever heard of a recital you braindead ape scum?

>>127119076
classical is like water. sure yeah its the best drink, but it tastes like nothing

>>127119520
Objectively wrong and retarded of an analogy, buy some rope please

>>127119520
Water literally has a taste, what a shitty analogy rofl

>>127119520
No, you're a retard. Stop pretending you understand art or music in any fashion

>>127118704
Boring is in the eye of the beholder, in your case, the eyes of a lowercase-typing zoomer who went to school over a laptop for three years and as a result is functionally illiterate and a slave to their short attention span. Probably also taking a cocktail of psychiatric medicines to complicate things even further

>>127119028
>but its so vanilla/stock/normal sounding

Love classical. Just listened to about 8 opuses by Webern today. Only took about 15 minutes lol. I like it because once I listen to it, I feel good and want to listen to it again. I like various rock, pop, jazz, electronic, ethnic music as well. But classical is prob best. Not sure what OP is seething about but he sure types a lot.

>>127118106 (OP)
>>127118118
Making this post every week for months without ever posting a chart of your own favorite music for comparison is completely cowardly. OP wants to be as contentious and adversarial as possible, but they know they're a total pleb and prefer to conceal the fact lest it undermine their contrarian ragebait

>>127118106 (OP)
I wonder if that Ukrainian Malher poster will show up in this thread.

>>127119707
What's there to respond to? It's just blatantly retarded

im so tired of queer ass tranime posters

>>127120011
Anime site, get over it

>>127120038
Stop being gay and seek help for your degenerate behaviour

>>127120070
Maybe you should just not go to a site that endorses degenerate behaviour

>>127118106 (OP)
> Hell, Shakespeare's plays don't measure up to Game of Thrones
it's all so tiresome

>>127120109
>endorses
Contains it in containment boards
Go back then
>>>/a/
>>>/lgbt/

>>127120141
*takes 5 seconds to scroll up*
wowser, turns out this is an anime site, sucks for you zozzle

>>127120171
Wrong

>>127120195
This wasn't even a real post that hiro made you retarded inbred down syndrome manhole. Look up the post number in the archives. Zoomer faggots believe everything they see these days on the net without scrutany, my God

>>127118106 (OP)
There are few things more tedious than Bach's solo violin and cello music

>>127119911
Oh come on dude.... You are the OP aren't you? What is wrong with you?

>>127118817
are you incapable of watching movies because they run 90 minutes or more?

>>127118931
>do you hum classical music or whistle it?
no, I reproduce it in my mind.

>>127120770
Probably know who OP is, but isnt me

>>127120239
>scrutany

>>127118817
>DURRRRRRRRRR

>>127120897
The only thing you reproduce

>>127118704
>>127118817
>boring
Boredom is a subjective emotional state of the listener. It says more about your level of attention, education, or taste than about the music itself.
>faux-theory
>postmodern relativism
>adolescent edginess
Your argument contradicts itself, your metaphor is shit, and you're historically illiterate. Much of classical music (especially from the Classical period) is defined by clarity, balance, and economy of means, not complexity for its own sake. Even in the Baroque and Romantic eras, there are countless examples of simplicity and emotional directness. So your entire framework (complexity, detail, resolution) is idiotic. Classical music as a whole isn't inherently determined by any of those things: it's too diverse for your pseud theory to pigeonhole.
You're supremely retarded, and a great example of a modern human being: a strong argument for eugenics, frankly.
There are literally classical pieces that last only a few minutes, or even under a minute. They're called miniatures and they're everywhere.
>songs
>40 minutes
You can't even identify basic musical forms.
>hurr durr songs = tracks = pieces it's all the same
No. This just proves you're incapable of any deeper understanding or nuance. Simply put, this is way above your pay grade. Stick to your porn, "vidya", and TikTok.

ATTENTION
this thread has been posted before

MULTIPLE TIMES

OP is a FAGGOT looking to WASTE YOUR TIME
do not engage

>>127121137
Projection. I have a son.

>>127121547
Classicalfags keep biting this lame bait because they are evidently insecure people who base their self-worth on music taste

Half the reason they listen to this genre is so they can feel more 'educated' than others, but no matter how hard they try they're still bait-biting 4channers with similar intelligence to popsloppers

>>127121659
Nice job projecting your own intellectual insecurity
>They are only pretending to like it because I cannot understand it

>>127121577
You win this round